Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


If you had to choose

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Dad 24-Nov-22
Dry Bones 24-Nov-22
George D. Stout 24-Nov-22
Dad 24-Nov-22
Bigdog 21 24-Nov-22
Bigdog 21 24-Nov-22
fdp 24-Nov-22
Bigdog 21 24-Nov-22
Bigdog 21 24-Nov-22
George D. Stout 24-Nov-22
B.T. 24-Nov-22
Dad 24-Nov-22
gluetrap 24-Nov-22
Corax_latrans 24-Nov-22
Dad 28-Nov-22
From: Dad
Date: 24-Nov-22




I need to buy carbon arrows. Which should I go with gold tip ultralight or gold tip velocities xt. I have the ultralight 400 in 7.4 gpi and gives me good arrow fight. I'm new to carbon arrows. What is the difference more durable shaft or just marketing. Here is the specks: 60 inch longbow [email protected] arrow length 29.5 with 125 fp with standard insert. Is it going not to matter. My testing was with the following:5.9,6.3,7.4,7.8. I used fp from 100 to 175 on each. The 7.4 with 125 fp was true in flight and goes where I look. Thank you for your response.?

From: Dry Bones
Date: 24-Nov-22




All this is going to be opinion based. Each of us shoot different, so keep that in mind as people give their responses and try to sate it as fact. For me the 400 spine would be to stiff with a 30# bow. BUT if you are getting the flight you want, then keep your arrow set-up. As for the Goldtip arrows. There are some differences, but again, my opinion, it does not amount to much. If you are shooting 60 meters and have a great form, you can see the differences in those arrows, but for the majority of the shooters out there. We are not good enough to notice the little bit of improvement given by the more costly arrow. If you are new to this, don't spend a lot on arrows and equipment yet. Shoot a lot, improve yourself, and then get a more accurate arrow, (maybe look for something other than GoldTip). I shoot Goldtips currently in my bows, but you have to know that they are not all equal. I have found the Easton arrows o be more tighter in tolerances. Your results may vary. Get the less expensive arrow, shoot a lot, learn a great form- is my opinion.

-Bones

From: George D. Stout
Date: 24-Nov-22




So you're using an arrow spined for about 60#+ on a 30# bow and getting perfect flight with a 125gr tip, at 29.5" length and a standard insert? I'm saying that's quite a bow by golly. I think you should be shooting more of an 800 at 29.5" and 125 with standard insert. You'll get much better performance. But then, I can't see your arrows flying either.

From: Dad
Date: 24-Nov-22




This carbon arrow spines drive me crazy. According to GT 5.9 or 6.3 is what they recommend. According to a vender they are only recommended. He said put yourself a test kit together with the recommend {suggested} one below and one above and different point weights. In my case I had two above and all the point weights. I pick the arrow nock right away and they fly true. I can watch the arrow spin. They don't go side ways no erratic or up and down movement. I have been shooting a few decades and all traditional. According to the vender when you get arrow flight {true} you are done. I also found out that GT makes a Hunter arrow in 7.3 gpi. The bow is a ST.Joe River torrent longbow. I was told by the bower that their bows favor heavy arrow. I have a 40# on order from them for hunting. I will do the same arrow tune. The light weight is for year around shooting.

From: Bigdog 21
Date: 24-Nov-22




First the reason stated. They need a heavier spin then most is true because the riser is cut past center 1/16 wear as standard longbows are cut before center witch requires weeker spin to bend around riser. Most older Recurves where not cut as much as your bow. So yes spin is not as affected as much meaning stiffer arrows can work ok. How stiff will depend on several factors some are string size and material your release. Bow performance. And on.

From: Bigdog 21
Date: 24-Nov-22




And being cut 1/16 past center , shooting a carbon. Almost are does, depending on out side diameter of shaft puts you true center with arrow. So no flex is hardly needed. To clear riser.

From: fdp
Date: 24-Nov-22




So is there some confusion around the difference between the spine/deflection number of the shaft and weight/grain per inch number?

The 7.3gpi etc. is the physical weight of the shaft in grains per inch.

The .400, .500 etc. is the deflection/spine rating.

Proper tuning/arrow flight is related to the deflection/spine number.

From: Bigdog 21
Date: 24-Nov-22




Difference in the 2 arrows xt victory and the ultra is wt tolerance with xt being the better one. 2 gr vs 5gr. get nothing you will notice.

From: Bigdog 21
Date: 24-Nov-22




Sorry ultra is better dhat at .5 gr not 5gr so xt can vary in arrow wt. 2 gr. Up are down ultra will vary .5 gr up are down.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 24-Nov-22




I have an aluminum riser Shakespeare QT that is l/8" inside center. It's 48# and won't tolerate a 400 spine, even at 30" length. It prefers 500 with 28.5" length for me at my 27.5" draw. The limbs that make it 40# will shoot 2016 okay, but not the 500 carbons which are smaller diameter than the 2016. But 400 is stretching the spine for sure for your weight, which is far below what is needed for a .400 spine arrow. Grains per inch has nothing to do with spine.

From: B.T.
Date: 24-Nov-22




A 400 out of a #30 bow? Way too still. 700-800 sounds right.

From: Dad
Date: 24-Nov-22




The bow is cut 1/8 past center.

From: gluetrap
Date: 24-Nov-22




buy a 7oo n 800 n see for yourself

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 24-Nov-22




I have a very fast R/D longbow that’s cut 3/16” past, I believe… and it’ll shoot a 28” 400 series very nicely.

At #62.

If you’re not sure whether you’re tuned or not, just peel the fletchings off of one and shoot it at 5 yards. If you don’t see anything weird going on, back up. Chances are good that (assuming you’re right-handed) your arrow will take a left turn at some point.

From: Dad
Date: 28-Nov-22




I would like to Thank all that responded. I took a lot of the advise and put it to good use. To make a long story short, I ended up with a .500 spine {6.3 gpi} at 29.5 with a 145gr field point. I tried some of the .700 and .800 spine and I couldn't get them to work for me and the same with 600 spine. The .400 spine finally showed stiff. I have learned that this type of bow is a lot different from a metal riser with adjustable arrow plate that is for sure.





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