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Ordering into Canada

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Trapper 11-Jan-22
bluesman 11-Jan-22
Coyote 11-Jan-22
Trapper 11-Jan-22
bluesman 11-Jan-22
Jack 11-Jan-22
Trapper 11-Jan-22
GudOlDaze 11-Jan-22
Tucker 11-Jan-22
Tucker 11-Jan-22
GLF 11-Jan-22
YamahaYG68 11-Jan-22
Pdiddly2 11-Jan-22
Pdiddly2 11-Jan-22
Jamie 11-Jan-22
Gun 11-Jan-22
Trapper 11-Jan-22
Pdiddly2 11-Jan-22
babysaph 12-Jan-22
bluesman 12-Jan-22
Bowlim 12-Jan-22
Codjigger 12-Jan-22
YamahaYG68 12-Jan-22
Bob Rowlands 12-Jan-22
SteelyDan 12-Jan-22
bluesman 12-Jan-22
bluesman 12-Jan-22
Gun 12-Jan-22
Pdiddly2 12-Jan-22
Pdiddly2 12-Jan-22
Jeffer 14-Jan-22
fdp 14-Jan-22
Jamie 14-Jan-22
Pdiddly2 14-Jan-22
Jeffer 15-Jan-22
Codjigger 15-Jan-22
Pdiddly2 15-Jan-22
From: Trapper
Date: 11-Jan-22




I received an order from Three Rivers today to my address in Ontario. I was surprised to received duty charge of over $100 on a $700 order. I’m curious if others from Canada have been charged duty on orders they have received. Thanks

From: bluesman
Date: 11-Jan-22




I used to buy from three rivers , but there shipping was high, then it got better, but all shipping has gone up everywhere . I have not bought off them recently. Talking personally to their employees has always been pleasurable but the shipping was higher than most as said. I have two bows in Montana now for going on two years , as I was going to pick them up , but crossing the border is very costly as well with re-entry tests required . Shipping bows is always nerve racking..as they are not always handled as if they are fragile. I have had good luck with US postal service but not so with Canada post.

How big was your package . Also the duty rules seem to be inconsistent. Sometimes in the past i was charged duty for a new product and sometimes not ...all were made in USA , it can be frustrating .

I usually wait till I visit south now before I buy anything of size like a bow or anything heavy.

From: Coyote
Date: 11-Jan-22




I can find a lot of stuff I need at Canada Archery Online as well as some other Canadian outlets

From: Trapper
Date: 11-Jan-22




The package was not that large, a set of limbs and assorted small items. Usually I have everything sent to a friends address in the US when we hunt there but those hunts have been on hold. Absolutely no complaints with the service at Three Rivers.

From: bluesman
Date: 11-Jan-22




Wow that seems pretty expensive for what your getting. But I guess if you figure in gas prices here, to get stuff yourself nowadays the shipping is not as bad. We jumped to $1.56 a litre this week . Cost more than 100 bucks to fill my truck .

From: Jack
Date: 11-Jan-22




Hi Trapper. Who was the carrier UPS or USPS / Canada post

From: Trapper
Date: 11-Jan-22




It was usps

From: GudOlDaze
Date: 11-Jan-22




$100 DUTY fees, nothing to do with 3Rivers or USPS shipping costs. Canadian government fee to cover all that free stuff up there.

From: Tucker
Date: 11-Jan-22




UPS are criminals when it comes to cross border customs brokerage fees. Do not order anything shipped into Canada from the USA if it will be shipped by UPS.

FedEx has worked well.

From: Tucker
Date: 11-Jan-22




Canada customs will charge GST, PST if your province does, handling fee, and additional taxes if the items are not made in North America.

It adds up to be ridiculous…

From: GLF
Date: 11-Jan-22




My caribows shipped via UPS had no border fees unless Abe paid em in advance. He sent me a set of limbs thru fedex and those cost me 35 bucks border fees. I hsve no clue about border fees.

From: YamahaYG68
Date: 11-Jan-22




My then new Omega Royal Huntsman was shipped to me by USPS in Oct. 2020.

I paid GST, PST but that was it, no duties or other fees. That's all you're supposed to pay, theoretically.

I am on an Omega fan Facebook site and there have been reports of other fees being applied in some cases, so it appears to be inconsistent

Too bad for us that Archery Craft, Dunarco etc. are no longer with us (nostalgic names, that only geezers remember, for "trad" bow companies in Canada that went out when the compounds came in).

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 11-Jan-22




Trapper…I bet the CBSA receipt does not mention “ duty.”

No duty is charged. No duty charges have been levied in North America trade for 30 years, since NAFTA.

It’s sales tax.

It will list GST and PST and a $10 Canada Post handling fee.

$700 US value you reported is $880 Canadian.

Ontario tax of 7% would be $61 C.

Federal tax of 5% is $44 C

So that’s $105 plus $10 fee is $115.

If it was $700 Canadian then that would be right around the $100 you reported.

Once a shipment’s value gets close to $200 they’re going to collect tax.

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 11-Jan-22




GudolDaze…no such thing as duty anymore in North America trade…gone for over 30 years. It’s sales tax…pays for our good things we love!

From: Jamie
Date: 11-Jan-22




Trapper

If you purchase from three rivers again go through greatlakearrow.com. As far as I know Sue is the only Canadian dealer of three rivers

The order gets shipped to her in port Hope Ontario. The only cost I’ve ever incurred was the shipping cost from her in port Hope to me in Peterborough ontario

From: Gun Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




Three Rivers is the is the last place I would order from. Outrageous shipping costs. Luckily I don't need anymore archery accessories. Actually need to get rid of some Bows and limbs. Don't think us Canadians can sell on here anymore either?

From: Trapper
Date: 11-Jan-22




Thanks for all the responses you have given me some great information and I appreciate it

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 11-Jan-22




Gun…why can’t we sell any more?

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




I just ordered some stuff an only paid $7 shipping.

From: bluesman
Date: 12-Jan-22




Babysaph if your brains were dynamite , there would not be enough to blow your hat off ….

From: Bowlim
Date: 12-Jan-22




Most stuff, particularly from China comes tax and shipping free.

US you pay ever spiraling shipping. But most often they will pass small packets through and you don't pay tax. I love it as a consumer, but it does screw Canadian businesses because they will always have to collect the tax.

As part of the Trump trade deal, Canada was supposed to not charge up to some level of tax on goods coming from the US, as there is something like a flat 800 dollar exemption, any time you import to the US under the trade deal. There were different rates for cross border, or mail order. But I don't know what happened to it. I often don't get charged, but it isn't consistent as it would be if the new deal had started. So maybe it didn't happen.

The biggest irritant for firearms is the US still has us as a place they don't export to. That is a clear national security and economic threat to the US. And it didn't get changed under trump. So rather than getting a 40 dollar barrel from GM, I basically would have to pay hundreds of dollars for it. It would be one thing if these things were banned in Canada, you can buy them, just not without a huge cost and hassle, that does not accrue to the US seller.

Small packages almost always get through, but big ones will be searched, and then they hit you with the bill. So you might break up orders if it makes sense. Also having them around Xmas can help as the volume is higher, but no guarantees.

I check Amazon for anything they might have first, but in archery that isn't always much. If you check the US site it will often, since about 6 months, give accurate shipping and tax from the US, and it will often be a lot cheaper than buying from the same seller listed on Amazon Canada.

If you buy in Canada, you are going to pay whatever the sales tax is. Say it is 13%. lets say you are buying something that costs 113 dollars Canadian ordered from the US (forget postage). And it is the kind of thing that will sail through without tax. That is the same as spending 100 dollars for it would have been in Canada, because they will add the tax at the till, while in most cases your product will come through customs tax free, if you used the postal service. So a dollar of US goods that does not get taxed is as if those goods cost you only 88.50 cents. This is worth considering when comparing prices.

Speaking of shipping, shipping in Canada, is often more expensive. If I buy parts to make a Uke from indonesia, they often charge only a few dollars shipping, the product is cheaper, and I end up not paying tax. But I bought some maple parts from Vancouver to Toronto, and paid 60 bucks shipping. It also costs me a lot to pick stuff up "locally". It is often the case that I have to figure out a way to do things with the wrong stuff and I end up making lots of trips as I work it out. Whereas if I lived in the US I could get it overnight for a lot less, and the parts would be correct. So while US shipping is expensive, so is spending half a day or more on the road, and coming home empty handed. Ontario is the 5th largest "state" in US/Canada, yet I can't think of a single place in the region where I can get the stuff I need. Like nobody sells serious archery gear; or boat supplies; gunsmithing, or guns; fly fishing fly tying; Mcamaster Carr; etc...

3D printing is a game changer, because if I can figure it out, a part I make costs almost nothing and I get it in under and hour, if it is small. Big is impractical.

I started a new hobby recently, and I made all the gear I needed to get started at the highest professional level of gear, on my 3D printer and in the wood shop. It doesn't work for everything, not nearly. But when it does it is the best.

From: Codjigger
Date: 12-Jan-22




Anything in Lancasters catalogue I can get through Greatlake arrow.. Sue Tate..cheaper than I can get it by ordering directly from them...and with none of the hassles. Jigger

From: YamahaYG68
Date: 12-Jan-22




Codjigger

Thanks for the mention of Great Lake Arrow, I was not aware of them; just shows there's always something to learn.

I live near the border. In 2019, pre-Covid, I ordered an Omega Imperial and had it shipped to a postal service in Buffalo NY, picked it up, brought it across in under an hour, declared it and paid the tax, that was it.

This process cuts out numerous extra handling points; USPS International Facility in Chicago, Canada Customs, Canada Post.

There have been complaints of damage during customs inspections at the Mississauga Ont. facility, but I have not experienced this.

But now, I'd be afraid they'd close the border again, about the time my order was in Buffalo, uncertain times.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 12-Jan-22




As a broad generalization, gov't increases with population. The gov't. grid of rules/regs/taxes/fees tightens with population increase. People nowadays also want and expect more than two generations ago. Lots of factors in the mix.

From: SteelyDan
Date: 12-Jan-22

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Example of border fees. Pdiddly is correct. No duty, just taxes and a handling fee. Ship USPS to dodge the brokerage fees that UPS and FedEx charge.

From: bluesman
Date: 12-Jan-22




I believe as far as duty is concerned , if you are getting shipped product from USA , if it is made in the USA , there is no duty as per an international agreement . If it’s made elsewhere and being shipped in from USA it may be subject to duty .

If you are bringing purchases over the border yourself you can bring up to 800 dollars duty free if you have been in the USA for over 24 hrs

From: bluesman
Date: 12-Jan-22




I just checked my last purchase from the USA , a Bear 50th Anniversary riser I bought from another waller used and we were charged $9.95 handling fee over and above shipping..not sure if others have got the mysterious handling fee from Canada post. It was expensive to ship ( $64 ) and he paid the shipping , when we realized how much it was I sent him some bear razorheads and a few Howard Hill razor heads to compenate him. Great guy .

just a few years ago a whole bow was about 30 bucks .

From: Gun Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




Peter I tried to post an item in the classifieds maybe a month ago and it wouldn't let me. Maybe some upgrades? I just posted an ad so, Never mind. :^)

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 12-Jan-22

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Good to hear Gun!

Here is the tax form that Steelydan posted. Goods amount in C$ and applicable taxes.

bluesman...the 9.95 goes to Canada Post for extra handling through the sortation and delivery process as the tax due items are hand sorted, hand scanned and handled four extra times beyond a regular machine sorted parcel.

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 12-Jan-22




Sandy...I am going to check out Great Lakes Arrow and Canada Archery Online.

From: Jeffer
Date: 14-Jan-22




I'm wanting to get one of those new Bear Mag handles with #3 limbs. I was just looking at Great Lakes Arrow website and they have 15% Can surcharge on all orders. That would put the bow at around $1200. A little out of my league. I also checked out Canadian Archery Supply but it seems their website isn't working. Are they still in business?

From: fdp
Date: 14-Jan-22




Jeffer this link worked for me;

https://www.canadaarcheryonline.com/

From: Jamie
Date: 14-Jan-22




Jeff

You should email Sue at Great Lake arrow. I bet she could give you an exact cost on the bear takedown.I have nothing but good things to say about Great Lake arrow

Another good Canadian site for trad gear is

https://boharchery.com/

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 14-Jan-22

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Based on the advice from codjigger and Jamie I will be buying as much as I can from Sue at Great Lakes Arrow...buy Canadian!!

From: Jeffer
Date: 15-Jan-22




Funny but when I try the Canada archery site I just get the notification that the site can't be reached. Anyway, I worked out the pricing and I'm looking at $1300 for the bow after tax, etc. That makes it a hard no. Lol

From: Codjigger
Date: 15-Jan-22




There you go, Peter..free trade at its best..wait a minute, .wasn't there a lumber issue?

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 15-Jan-22




HAHA Sandy!!

There sure was a lumber issue...next time we'll just saw it ourselves!

I found the same thing Jeff...all sizzle and no steak.

I'll look up Great Lakes Arrow...give Sue some of my allowance!





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