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What Really Happened to the STAR Method

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David A. 10-Jan-22
David A. 10-Jan-22
[email protected] 10-Jan-22
David A. 10-Jan-22
loose arrow 11-Jan-22
Kelly 11-Jan-22
PECO2 11-Jan-22
JustinB 11-Jan-22
Shakey Jake 11-Jan-22
fdp 11-Jan-22
Supernaut 11-Jan-22
GUTPILEPA 11-Jan-22
Bowlim 11-Jan-22
Wayne Hess 11-Jan-22
reb 11-Jan-22
Bob Rowlands 11-Jan-22
lost run 11-Jan-22
Silverback 11-Jan-22
Yellah Nocks 11-Jan-22
TGbow 11-Jan-22
JTK 11-Jan-22
David A. 11-Jan-22
Matthew Wilson 11-Jan-22
crookedstix 11-Jan-22
Bob Rowlands 12-Jan-22
David A. 12-Jan-22
Bob Rowlands 12-Jan-22
tradmt 12-Jan-22
David A. 12-Jan-22
George Tsoukalas 12-Jan-22
longdraw 12-Jan-22
[email protected] 12-Jan-22
badgerman 12-Jan-22
grizzly63 12-Jan-22
Longcruise 13-Jan-22
jjs 13-Jan-22
Selden Slider 13-Jan-22
David A. 15-Jan-22
Bob Rowlands 15-Jan-22
David A. 15-Jan-22
Bassmaster 15-Jan-22
loose arrow 15-Jan-22
Bob Rowlands 16-Jan-22
Longcruise 16-Jan-22
David A. 16-Jan-22
From: David A.
Date: 10-Jan-22

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There was a house fire in a small property I own that I was temporarily using for storage. About 2000 hand made STAR releases, computer files including my work on the book and much more were totally destroyed. Fortunately I had a small quantity of some releases that were in the garage area that are mostly ok. There are two models of the release, one with hand stitched letter...A lot of effort went up in flames not to mention bows and hunting gear...sob! (no I didn't cry lol).

Now rebuilding the house, but having trouble getting contractors. A big mess, so I'm kinda' rolling with punches. Naturally, it has and will take up a lot of my time.

Fortunately, I was insured but it has set everything back. I really wanted to get the book out in 2021. I'll eventually get 'er done, this won't stop me, but it was a big disappointment.

Anyway, I do have patience...and I guess no one was holding their breath in anticipation anyway! ha.

From: David A.
Date: 10-Jan-22




"hand stitched letter" should read "hand stitched leather". Well, that really was the least of my concerns!

From: [email protected]
Date: 10-Jan-22




Can stuff like that be 3D printed nowadays?

From: David A.
Date: 10-Jan-22




Perhaps not, just like a good leather tab or glove probably can't be 3D printed. But good idea and one part of one model could be made of plastic, but I preferred hard rubber. They are very simple though in the spirit of trad bows.

From: loose arrow
Date: 11-Jan-22




Wow, what a turn of events! I wish you well during this ordeal. I hope you had copies of the computer files!

Are the releases all hand assembled, is so, what is the total time for one release?

From: Kelly
Date: 11-Jan-22




Sorry for your loss, David but I know you’ll persevere!

From: PECO2
Date: 11-Jan-22




I was just thinking about "that guy and his secret method" the other day. I was wondering what happend, haven't heard from you in a while. Thanks for the update, good luck getting back up and running.

From: JustinB
Date: 11-Jan-22




David I'm sorry for your loss but you have the right attitude. Good luck rebuilding!

From: Shakey Jake
Date: 11-Jan-22




Sorry for loss. Hope things get better soon.

From: fdp
Date: 11-Jan-22




Wishing you a speedy recovery and clean up. Fires like that are destructive and life changing.

From: Supernaut
Date: 11-Jan-22




Sorry for the loss in the fire and hope you get things back on track.

From: GUTPILEPA
Date: 11-Jan-22




Maybe someone on here knows how we can help this LW friend get back on his feet I'm not good at this sort of thing but I'm willing to donate $$ if it helps

From: Bowlim
Date: 11-Jan-22




I 3D print a lot of stuff, and I have been thinking of making the guts for one of those string walking tabs that is often machined of aluminum. Unfortunately, most 3D stuff doesn't look that appetizing, and it isn't that strong. I know I could make one that would work for me. But to send it out to a world of lifetime guarantees, and people who have no practice taking care of things, not probably a good idea.

3D is amazing for making complex items very quickly, and you can then use the same files to contract the parts out to CNC (I you are aware of how that process is the opposite of maching). 3D is not fast for production, and only makes certain parts really well.

From: Wayne Hess
Date: 11-Jan-22




Good luck David, you are or will do what ever you can

From: reb
Date: 11-Jan-22




Sorry for your loss.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 11-Jan-22




That's a rough deal. Fortunately nobody hurt though. You'll figure it out what to do. Things will get better.

From: lost run
Date: 11-Jan-22




Sorry for your loss. I hope you get back with your plans.

From: Silverback
Date: 11-Jan-22




Sorry for your loss

From: Yellah Nocks
Date: 11-Jan-22




Prayers up!

From: TGbow
Date: 11-Jan-22




Sorry for your loss but Im glad nobody was hurt

From: JTK
Date: 11-Jan-22




Offer your method online...the best gypsy jazzeers have been doing that since before covid. Good thing you're smart and insured ...same as with vax.

From: David A.
Date: 11-Jan-22




Gutpilepa, I appreciate that, but as I said I was fully insured and wouldn't accept charity & absolutely no need.

The fire happened when I was out scouting at the time a few miles away & my neighbor called me - looked back to the west and could see the smoke rising! Couldn't remember if I was current with insurance or not! Fortunately I was...oh jeez, I ended up being happy for awhile at least...lol.

JTK yep I probably will also.

From: Matthew Wilson Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Jan-22




Good luck with your rebuild and plans. Not charity by any means, just support from people who want you to succeed! I’m in if it helps. Matthew

From: crookedstix
Date: 11-Jan-22




Thanks for the update David, and so sorry to hear about the fire. Best of luck going forward.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 12-Jan-22




David, things are gonna work out for you. Every last one of us has a life that takes unexpected turns, that's just the way it is. You see all that in hindsight. You're gonna be OK.

From: David A.
Date: 12-Jan-22




Bob, I'm just frustrated mainly..all the lost time, energy and effort...could have been worse I was often sleeping there; glad I wasn't inside or asleep when it happened.

babysaph, just one man's attempt to solve trad archery and let's leave it at that for now, pls.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 12-Jan-22




Damn straight Dave. You have reason to be frustrated.

From: tradmt
Date: 12-Jan-22




Dang! That sucks man! Sorry to hear that.

Well how’s the hunting been David? I remember you hunting mule deer often and always enjoyed the stories.

From: David A.
Date: 12-Jan-22




Won't be too active here the house rebuild is taking up most of my time and probably will for quite awhile. Many others are having troubles getting tradesmen/contractors even for simple work much less a near total rebuild. Did get a nice buck check out "Desert Mule Deer 52" recurve" - kinda' put me in a positive mental state again, lol

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 12-Jan-22




I am so sorry, David.

From: longdraw
Date: 12-Jan-22




Sorry to hear about the fire David. I'm looking forward to hearing more about your STAR system down the road. Let us know if there is anything we can do and keep us posted.

From: [email protected]
Date: 12-Jan-22




all STAR stuff aside that's horrible about the fire

From: badgerman Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




David sorry to hear the bad news. As you remember I attended your workshop on the STAR method while in Arizona and was very impressed and very aware of all the research and work you put in preparing to write your book. I know you will do what needs to be done to accomplish your goal as you're not one that "gives up". Again a great Buck, another feat you accomplish on an annual basis. Joel

From: grizzly63
Date: 12-Jan-22




I've seen some of the animals you have taken. I think you will do well. You seem to have a lot of perseverance.

From: Longcruise
Date: 13-Jan-22




Very sorry to hear about your misfortune. Especially tough in these times.

That said, I have never heard of the Star Method. Can someone enlighten me?

From: jjs
Date: 13-Jan-22




David, sorry for you lost. The upside you can rebuild back better, just be firm with the insurance adjuster, they do not care except saving their company money; been down that road. My advice to house fire is to let it burn rather than try saving it do to the insurance companies.

From: Selden Slider
Date: 13-Jan-22




I hate house fires. When I was 10 my friends house burned down to the ground. Very sad. It cause his family to move to California. Every time I looked at that empty lot I cried. Frank

From: David A.
Date: 15-Jan-22




jjs, that's very logical, but by the time I got back fireman had already done their thing.

Frank, they say it's one of the most emotionally disturbing things that can happen to a person next to the loss of a child or loved one. But, I think I've rolled with the knockout punch ok so to speak and am getting back on my feet. Quit on the publishing effort? Impossible! haha, just no quit in me.

If I may, I'd like to suggest to all is to take fire precautions esp. making sure your outlets are up to code, (outlet shorts and overloads are a leading cause & that was the case in my situation) having smoke alarms, more than one current extinguisher, etc.

From my experience be sure your have good fire insurance and are well covered for personal possessions. I had State F. and while the local branch had always been so friendly, after the fire I had to deal with the main branch and it certainly has been unpleasant. If you are ex military or from a military family, check out USAA they are one of the best I have heard. Due your due diligence and not just in regard to fires.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 15-Jan-22




Don't use aluminum switches and receptacles on copper wire, or arcing will occur and you'll get a light show under the cover plate.

From: David A.
Date: 15-Jan-22




Bob, what type do you prefer?

From: Bassmaster
Date: 15-Jan-22




Bad break bud.

From: loose arrow
Date: 15-Jan-22




There was a time when aluminum was used a conductors instead of copper to save money. The devices need to be rated for aluminum in order to use aluminum wire. For a while now, aluminum is not used because of the dangers it presents. The wire is brittle and it expands and contracts as it heats and cools, thereby, loosening setscrews, which heats up the connections and causes arching. So get rid of it if you can!

Copper is the conductor of choice, however, for high power wires aluminum is used because it is light.

I am sure some of you know more about this, so by all means, chime in.

David, I can only imagine what it must be like to walk into something like that. Not only does one need good insurance, one needs a good support system, I hope you have a support system as well. Not a good thing to go through alone.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 16-Jan-22




Dave, the wiring and terminals need to be similar or compatible metal. We had aluminum wire to standard terminals in our apt. in WY and could see arcing under the cover plate. Spooky.

From: Longcruise
Date: 16-Jan-22




There's nothing inherently wrong with aluminum wiring. The problem is corrosive incompatibility with the terminal connections. The problem can be solved with readily available conversion pigtails.

From: David A.
Date: 16-Jan-22




Had a licensed electrician put in a new fuse box and other work outside the house already. This house was built in the 60's and a lot of stuff was not up to present day code. Probably the same with the entire neighborhood.

There already was another house fire not that far so away; don't know if similar cause but these things happen, so hope every homeowner takes the possibility seriously and is fully insured. Regardless, it will be a huge hassle and time waster. W/o insurance, can't imagine...





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