Ok so so my interest has peaked on these two bows, other than the fact your limited to Bear limbs vs the ilf thing who has handled and shot both what are your thoughts of each.

As for me between the two. SATORI 21" riser . Buy once cry once . I don't have a horse in his race but check out : Johns custom archery in Virginia. If he has them risers you could be saving yourself 80 bucks on the riser.

I have owned two Satori’s, they were both 17 inch risers with long limbs making them a 62 inch bow. Both of them shot great, very easy to set up and really quiet shooters. I had the factory Hoyt limbs.

I have also owned two Bear takedowns. The first was the A riser with # 3 limbs making a 60 inch recurve. It was a super nice bow and shot great. With my 30 inch draw, I like a 62 inch recurve better.

I just recently bought the Bear Eichler T/D with # 3 limbs making a 62 inch bow. I have had it a couple weeks now. I is an amazing shooting bow and really quiet. I like the grip on the Eichler model and I like the 17 inch riser length.

The Bear and Hoyt are both great shooting bows and I can’t say that one shoots any better than the other. They are both very nice. I like the grip better on the Bear over the standard Hoyt grip. The Bear might be a tad smoother drawing over the Hoyt factory limbs. I chronograph all my bows just for personal knowledge of speed. My Bear,Hoyt and Blackwidow with carbon limbs are all within 1-2 FPS from one another. They all draw about the same weight.

The best thing to do is try and hold one and see how it feels to you. The Hoyt does give a lot of options with limbs.

Personally, I would go for the Bear, but that's specifically because I dislike metal risers of any design and strongly prefer the grip of the Bear.

That said, it seems to be a Jeep/Land Rover kind of argument. One has a lot more aftermarket options and the other tends to be viewed as a quasi-premium bow but - with a few exceptions - has to stick with factory parts. Both are well designed and (mostly) quality products but with quirks you have to get used to. Both will get the job done and have few real-world differences for the average user.

Went through the ILF style bows quite a bit years ago.I know nothing about the Satori.I had mostly Morrison risers in multiple lengths and high end limbs.ILF is cool and very very versatile.Amazing really

In non ILF the BEAR is the most versatile bow ever made with the A,B and C riser and 3 limb lengths.

I prefer the Bear T.D.Just me.Not saying its better.I might be nostolgic.But I do like the way the Bear T.D shoots and am totally happy with that bow.

Shooting both risers what stood out to me most was the weight difference between the A mag bear riser and the 19" satori riser. The extra weight of the satori held nice on target but I feel it would not be pleasant to haul around the woods all day. So on target I think I'd go with a satori and in the woods I'd take my bear.

Personally I prefer the Bear mag riser over the wood riser by a mile and really don't find much difference between that riser and the Satori when it comes to the grip.

The shelf design on the Satori is far and away better for my purposes and you have the convenience of ILF.

I haven't owned them both but I have shot them both.

If I had to choose between only those two, I'd go with the Satori. More versatile in terms of limb choices and tuning capabilities.

If I absolutely had to choose a Bear, I would choose the Fred Eichler Signature Series.

I’m not looking at wood risers just comparing metal stuff, What about the Top Archery ILF set up looks like a Satori knock off to me. One could save $800 with that but then there’s buy cheap get cheap…..

I've shot the TAOW Santori knock off. A very good riser and shot very well. Some don't like Chinese knock offs. To each his own. Good luck with whatever you choose and good shooting' - Jwingman

"I've shot the TAOW Santori knock off."

Pretty sure that's "TBOW," and I've shot one too. The one I shot had Uukha limbs but the riser itself was nice.

https://www.chnarchery.com/products/tbow-62-ilf-traditional- hunting-recurve-bow-30-60-lbs?

I'm old school and i will go for Bear Td anyday .

I have one on the rack, A Riser and #3 limbs for à 60" bow .

Smooth ...Milestone in modern archery history . Unique takedown system. I owned a Satori , 15" riser with uukha limbs . Sold it . Not interested in ilf , but i understand that target shooters can enjoy the extra tuning screws ...i just don't need them as i keep things simples and easy. A good , well made, hunting bow don't need these things to shoot straight . I also confess that i prefer wood ...metal is cold and lacks "soul" for a bow riser . The modernized Bear Riser by Fred E. Is in the same mood as the Satori. Can't compare it to a classic Custom Kodiak TD .

“other than the fact your limited to Bear limbs vs the ilf thing who has handled and shot both what are your thoughts of each.”

FWIW, that’s sort of like saying “other than that you’re limited to Dodge Ram, what are your thoughts on Dodge Ram vs every other pickup and Sport Ute on the market?”

If you’ve always wanted a Bear, or you’re just a die-hard Bear Guy, you probably won’t be happy with anything other than a Bear. And there’s not a damn thing wrong with that… if that’s what you want.

I do not covet a Bear, so it’s an easy call for me.

Get BOTH! The Satori has a lot more tuning options if you're a tinkerer. The Bear is, well...a Bear takedown. It's historic, iconic and timeless.

I've owned 3 of both in a few different lengths and I have a Bear TD now.

It comes down to personal preference. Me, I’d take the Satori all day every day. Just never cared for Bears proprietary take down system. Endless limb options with the Satori plus shelf set ups and grip options. Another option, and it’s not a knock off but similar design, is the Topoint Slither. CNC machined, anodized, quality hardware and takes Satori grips from Jager or Rcore. Less than $200.

MnM I suggest looking at Sanlida's x10 Hermit and their X8 ILF bows.I have the X10.Superb bow in all regards.

I own both, and I’ve owned several of both. I really like the Bear takedowns, both mag and wood risers and they perform great…..but you will be disappointed in the finish of your limbs, whether green or black, they will either come with light streaks in the glass from the factory or develop horizontal crazing lines in the finish. This is purely cosmetic but for now over $1000 I am not happy with it and you probably won’t be either. This is not a fluke issue, I’ve owned a bunch of new sets from 2015-2024, every set has developed this issue

For the Hoyt, it’s my current favorite bow, I love the grip, the tunability of the bow although before someone chimes in, I can tune an arrow to the bow vs bow to the arrow. I like the versatility of grips from aftermarket companies like R Core, I love the ability to use whatever limb manufacture I want from cheap to high end (I’ve settled on Uukha Gobi) and different lengths to fit my needs.

Hope this helps somewhat, pm me if you have any questions

Thanks for the input people, getting closer to making decisions. Just for grins I looked up the word satori you should too, let’s say it was enlightening…lol

Agree with Chris4. To kill animals you don’t need all of that. Just tune your bow and you are done.

"...metal is cold and lacks "soul" for a bow riser"

What has more "soul" than the earth that sustains us?

LOL

Check the tiller measurements on your(s) pre set at the mercy of the bowyer from whatever one piece recurve or longbow manufacturer one owns . Some of you's will be shocked @ the lack of near even tolerance measurement(s) . Then basically your only attempt to dial in correctly to achieve accuracy with your set bow is brace height , string nocking point , correct string n strand count and self adjustment .

Of course on the Satori and others the riser brings lateral adj on the limbs ,pin point tiller limb bolt adj , choise of shooting off the hump or side elevated rest like a springy , huge choise of price range of limbs , different limb weights and even option of down the road putting on longbow limbs .

On set three piece wooden recurves me myself have always feared the tolerances on the bow being a bit loose and weakening where riser joins limbs , etc . I get the nostalgic beauty of some recurves and longbows no dought there beyond breathtakin and truly have a vintage classical look to them . Then of course one can purchase a wooden ilf wooden riser . Good thread , personal experiences and likes and dislikes on here . Its been civil and opinions have been respected which is refreshing .

I've NOT had the wood BEAR TD. so there's that. I've had an A-MAG and a B-MAG, myself, and before going in I borrowed an A-mag and #1 limbs for a month. I had a Satori 19" for a few days, borrowed. I'd go with a BEAR A-MAG or B-MAG over any Satori. classic good looks and shootability and FEEL. I am thinking on dumping a few things to finance another older A- MAG riser and #1 limbs.

Satori is not the answer in the quest. There's much better balanced risers. The sloppy ilf connection system is not my go to system for hunting. Bear old or new mag or aluminum are consistent. You either like them or you don't. Bears wood risers are not consistent however if you get one to your liking your quest count or should be over. Bears limbs are also inconsistent getting a pair to your liking should also end your quest. I have several ilf top notch rigs that I enjoy shooting but when I go out in the truck I take one of my bear rigs. Tramping around the yard I shoot my self made Hill bows. Rooty

I have had both. Like both If you want repeatability the bear isn't the answer unless it is a mag riser and even then the limbs are just a hope and prayer. If you ever find a bear td set up you like then iits a great bow. As someone that likes multiple bows of the same specs I'd go with the hoyt

Bear for nostalgia, Satori for a better bow by every measure.

I've learned nothing

My Brother had a Satori and shot my Bear T.Ds and sold the Satori and bought a Bear riser and 2 sets of limbs.Your mileage may vary.

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