From: Hunt98
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Date: 04-Feb-25 |
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Fir vs Cedar… what’s the good or bad of each?
What would you recommend?
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From: fdp
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Date: 04-Feb-25 |
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It's all about what you want to shoot. Neither one is wildly better than the other.
I mostly shoot Surewood Douglas Fir these days.
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From: Stick Hippie
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Date: 04-Feb-25 |
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I think douglas fir are a bit tougher, guess that’s a pro, the pro for cedar is they smell good when they break ??
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From: Stumpkiller
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Date: 04-Feb-25 |
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Douglas fir weighs more but is much more durable. I'm big into stump shooting and just don't use cedar anymore. I taper the last 10" of my DF shafts from 11/32" to 5/16" to save a bit of weight, aid penetration, and correct from paradox faster. PITA but what else are you going to do after small game season and before it gets warm again?
Cedar definately smells better.
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From: Nemah
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Date: 04-Feb-25 |
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Doug Fir arrows are heavier (elk). Port Orford Cedar for everything smaller. Cedar (Red Cedar here in the Pacific Northwest) is too brittle.
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From: Wyo_John
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Date: 05-Feb-25 |
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Stumpkiller x2
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From: Mark
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Date: 05-Feb-25 |
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I started building/using with Doug Fir about 10 years ago. They stain nice and stay straight after working with them. At this point I will not go back to cedar. Surewood Shafts is a good source.
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From: RonG
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Date: 05-Feb-25 |
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Dougy fir for sure, tough arrows.
I agree with Mark.
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From: BEARMAN
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Date: 05-Feb-25 |
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I get more requests for POC but I like building and shooting both. I think my CHUNDOO shafts (Lodgepole pines) are a bit tougher than both POC and Fir. I do like how heavy Fir shafts are and they do take stain very well too.
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From: Maclean
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Date: 05-Feb-25 |
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Like Stumpkiller, I do a lot of stump shooting. I've found that I break far less arrows using doug fir over cedar. Surewood has the best shafts I've ever purchased.
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 05-Feb-25 |
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I dowel my shafts from boards. Its all about wood grain. Fir is very definitely tougher. But both make great arrows if the grain is primo.
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From: dnovo
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Date: 05-Feb-25 |
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I have a number of Surewood shafts made into arrows. I used them more for a couple bows that I don't use much anymore as I dropped about 5 pounds draw weight. They make excellent arrows, straight and good weight. I mostly use cedar because I have about 40-50 dozen shafts in storage and they are perfect for the bows I'm shooting. But then I've used cedar for 50 years also. I don't have a problem breaking one now and then cause then I get to make more!
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From: the Black Spot
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Date: 05-Feb-25 |
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Doug fir for me. I’m allergic to cedar(unless it’s coated)
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From: TGbow
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Date: 05-Feb-25 |
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I shot a lot of cedar in the 70s n 80s but now when I shoot wood arrows In prefer Fir...it's more durable to me.
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From: monkeyball
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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If Douglas Fir smelled like P.O.Cedar no one would shoot cedar!
Good Shooting->->->->Craig
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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There's a lot of preemo end grain in that photo.
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From: monkeyball
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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And Bob, those were the Kimerey Specials. Quality only get higher from there. Surewood Shafts.......try you some!
Good Shooting->->->->Craig
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From: Nemophilist
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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I like both Douglas Fir and Cedar and both make nice arrows, but if I had to choose one, I'd stick with cedar. Just a personal preference.
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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monkeyball, I dowel df from premium grain S2S boards I pick at my hardwood supplier.
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From: Bugle up
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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monkeyball x 2. If Doug fir smelled like cedar, everyone would shoot fir...
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From: monkeyball
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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And Carson is a great guy to deal with!
Good Shooting->->->->Craig
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From: Bugle up
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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True about Carson Brown. Plus it's fun to follow him on Facebook and see his posts on his arrow making process...from standing or down tree to shafts.
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From: Jimmyjumpup
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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I agree with Nemo. If I shoot wood it would be cedar. Just what I always shot nice pics Nemo. Lets see some more pics of arrows you guys are making,
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From: monkeyball
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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Lot of guys think that wood won't compare to carbon or aluminum.
If you take the time to spine them, weigh them, and build them correctly you will be surprised. And in that sentence lies the hidden word "time".
I think one of the main reasons guys have stopped shooting wood is the time element it takes to make a solid dozen. Just my opinion, but I know how quickly I can assemble a dozen aluminums or carbons compared to wood.
I started with wood and find myself heading back that way.
Good Shooting->->->->Craig
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From: wooddamon1
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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Nice arrows, guys and sweet bow, Craig!
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From: Jim Davis
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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I like spruce. I can pick a good board at a local building supply.
Don't break many and I can repair them.
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From: ottertails
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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Hunt98, either one. Consensus here lately seems to be Doug Fir. Myself, I invested in POC long ago, it's what I prefer and wouldn't hesitate to use on any animal here in N. America.
I've used Doug Fir and they make a great arrow but no better than cedars imo. I broke them just as easily as I did cedars. They are a bit heavier but I found them to be somewhat brittle. With Cedar, you have that oil that can't be air or kiln dried out, making them more resilient I would think. That oil can leach out on certain shafts as I can attest to on those I've had stored for 25-40 years. No big deal other than it messes with the stains ...I've let those leachers out in the sun to hopefully evaporate that oil, it worked some but I gave up on that.
Does it really need to be said? Here it is anyway, a quality wood arrow that's tuned to the bow with a sharp head will get it done, Cedar or Fir.
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From: ottertails
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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Just another benefit to crafting POC arrows, that wonderful smell eh?! Back when I used a plane to taper my shafts I saved a few containers of the shavings....it's the best potpourri imo! :))
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From: Greenstyk
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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Nemo and Jimmyjumpup X3. Cedar is my favorite. Wapiti has very good cedar shafts. As far as durability if you shoot a stump that isn’t rotten even a 2018 can’t stand the impact.
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From: dnovo
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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Monkey ball X2 I see so many guys in a hurry to make arrows regardless of wood, aluminum or carbon. Making wood arrows is a labor of love. They speak to you like the others can't. Take the time to do it right and enjoy the process!
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From: ottertails
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Date: 06-Feb-25 |
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I'll add to above post,...the personal satisfaction of taking game from wood arrows you've crafted yourself.
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From: wooddamon1
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Date: 07-Feb-25 |
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I like them both, but cedar is my favorite for the reasons ottertails mentioned. And dnovo X2
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From: Greenstyk
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Date: 07-Feb-25 |
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I’ve split several 2216s but never a 2018 and never had one flower out like that arrow did. Probably couldn’t do it again if I tried.
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From: Corax_latrans
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Date: 08-Feb-25 |
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Takes a well-tuned arrow and you’ve gotta hit something really square-on…. Definitely a rarity!
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From: The Beav
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Date: 08-Feb-25 |
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Another cedar guy here. Hunt with them elusively. Wood is good.
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 08-Feb-25 |
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Short story on cedar arrows.
I was finishing a $$$$ house several years ago and spied a pile of 8/4 rough cedar drops the framers had left in the garage. Splattered with drywall mud and dirt from sitting there for months.
For kicks I looked through the pile and found a couple drops that looked to have straight and tight arrow grade grain. I ended up making a few dozen arrows from those drops. I mean high grade arrows that fly great. A couple dozen became Christmas gifts that year.
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From: the Black Spot
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Date: 10-Feb-25 |
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Bob, cool story!
Craig? Shooting a 90# bow or what? :)
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