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Rotator cuff repair

Messages posted to thread:
RD 06-Jul-24
Lenny 06-Jul-24
Bowhogan 51 06-Jul-24
Mechanic 06-Jul-24
Stan 06-Jul-24
Bjrogg 06-Jul-24
olddogrib 06-Jul-24
Kansasclipper 06-Jul-24
Tradarcher4fun 06-Jul-24
AK Pathfinder 06-Jul-24
Dry Bones 06-Jul-24
bodymanbowyer 06-Jul-24
Jimmyjumpup 06-Jul-24
treehermit 06-Jul-24
Nrthernrebel05 06-Jul-24
Babysaph 06-Jul-24
Mindful 06-Jul-24
Backcountry 06-Jul-24
bodymanbowyer 06-Jul-24
bodymanbowyer 06-Jul-24
Backcountry 07-Jul-24
bodymanbowyer 07-Jul-24
Wapiti Chaser 07-Jul-24
Backcountry 07-Jul-24
RD 07-Jul-24
Burnsie 07-Jul-24
Jimmyjumpup 07-Jul-24
senior bowhunter 07-Jul-24
Supernaut 07-Jul-24
Tim Finley 07-Jul-24
Jimmyjumpup 07-Jul-24
jeff w 07-Jul-24
bodymanbowyer 08-Jul-24
Supernaut 08-Jul-24
treehermit 08-Jul-24
Rock 08-Jul-24
Jimmyjumpup 08-Jul-24
Bob Rowlands 08-Jul-24
Mindful 08-Jul-24
Archer22 09-Jul-24
From: RD
Date: 06-Jul-24




I know a lot of you have had rotator cuff surgery but how many were able to rehab without surgery? I know every case is different and am waiting MRI results.

From: Lenny
Date: 06-Jul-24




I’ve had three,two right,one left,all three they tried therapy,cordazone shots didn’t work. I shoot smart now between 30-40 shots each time five days a week.if you have surgery it will take about a year to get full strength back for me it did,therapy after surgery helped me all three times,any slight discomfort now I stop shooting,doctor said next time shoulder replacement I don’t want that. Good luck!

From: Bowhogan 51 Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 06-Jul-24




If you do have surgery, buy one of those ice machines. I looks like a small cooler. You fill it with ice and water and it has a plastic sleeve that velcro's around the shoulder. Keeping it ices is a big help. I was hurt on the job and told to forget ever shooting a recurve again. Keeping the swelling down made all the difference in the rehab. I was back to shooting fifty pound plus bows with in a few month of surgery. Other than occassional stiffness, I have no issues. Even managed to make it to Africa shooting a 54# pound silver tip. I was able to take 5 great animals. Good Luck and you can find this mechine on eBay for less than $100.00 - BowHogan51 - You are welcome to pm if you would like more detail

From: Mechanic
Date: 06-Jul-24




It’s a very very long recovery, it took me minimum 2 years for the pain to subside, can achieve full recovery at 5 years. But much better than surgery which will leave you invalid for a long time, not to mention loss of strength. For me , with a full rotator cuff tear from a skiing spill, with full array of excercises it takes a while, but it’s doable if you commit.

From: Stan
Date: 06-Jul-24




Had a full tear surgery years ago, surgery was in june, he cleared me in October,was shooting by then.. Everyone is different.. Second time the other shoulder was getting setup for surgery I tried controlled bar hanging, it worked, it turned out to be an impingement.. Only took a couple weeks to know it was working.

From: Bjrogg
Date: 06-Jul-24




I was fortunate. My doctor sent me to physical therapist and I did the exercises faithfully. They really helped. He said my other muscles would take over.

My shoulder has remained good. That was 2015. Might not work for you, but I would give it a try.

Bjrogg

From: olddogrib
Date: 06-Jul-24




Same as Lenny, depending on what they find, there's a lot of stuff they can do through the scope hole and eliminate the incision. I've had both ways. My shoulders haven't bothered me in many years unlike the arthritis in my string hand. The "sawbones" tell me they can help that with surgery now, but the rehab takes forever. I passed, too close to the season opener! "Pain is just weakness leaving the body", lol!

From: Kansasclipper
Date: 06-Jul-24




Actually, cortizone shots work really well, but it has to be in conjunction with physical therapy for 3 months. The shot alone is a band aid fix. It stops the pain temporarily, but physical therapy will strengthen the shoulder, joints, muscles, and tendons preventing a tear.

From: Tradarcher4fun
Date: 06-Jul-24




I partially tore my rotator playing football roughly 15 years ago. Dr wanted to cut me open. I saw what my wife went through with her rotator cuff surgery and told the Dr no thanks.

I basically googled shoulder stretching exercises and did them religiously throughout the day. I continued to pump iron but using very light weight. I believe the light weight helped with circulating blood in my shoulder. Today I'm careful doing any exercises that involve the shoulder. I shoot 30# - 40# bows with no issues. I don't hunt so don't need anything heavier. I also think I was lucky in that it was a partial tear and not a full tear.

From: AK Pathfinder
Date: 06-Jul-24




I was shooting 55 pound bows 3 months after the surgery. Get it fixed and be done with it.

From: Dry Bones
Date: 06-Jul-24




Right side rotator cuff, a couple years of continual physical therapy. LOTS of swimming. Some days it is still Really Sore, but for the most part I do what I want now. My heaviest bow is 63# @ my 27" draw and I can shoot it all day if I want to. Bigger problem for me is throwing. Not near the distance I once had and if I throw very much one day the next I hurt. Like you said, each injury is slightly different. I will always opt for therapy over surgery if there is an option. Always.

-Bones

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 06-Jul-24




I had a massive large tear in my right shoulder, a long with a complete tear in my long tendon of my bicep Muscle had turned to fat, atrophy. I work as a maintenance worker for a very large Orthopedic group, ORA Orthopedics. I wasn't going to live with the pain and weakness in my dominant arm. I went to our top shoulder guy. He said he wouldn't attempt to repair. Only a Total Reverse shoulder replacement. This was 10 quicker recovery than a repair. I had surgery in the beginning of February and therapy for 3 months. I'm going to get my left shoulder done. It also had a massive large tear 7 years ago and the recovery was horrible. Plus it didn't stay together. At my age 60. I'll get it done soon. My right shoulder is doing great. I'm getting back to shooting my Longbow slowly. Dr's advice. JF

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 06-Jul-24




The truth is if the rotator cuff is torn there is only one way to fix it. You may be able to manage it but it won’t be repaired without surgery.

From: treehermit
Date: 06-Jul-24




Yep, mine was screwed down, stitched up and was inconvenient for about 18 months. I remember the first 6-9 months it would get tired and I kept the sling handy for it. After that, it was just pain at times. That was like 14 years ago and I don't even notice it happened today.

From: Nrthernrebel05
Date: 06-Jul-24




Had a very bad tear repaired in May 2022. Didn’t heal till about April 2023. Couldn’t shoot my 45#-50# bows until Aug. started with a 30# and gradually work up to full weight.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 06-Jul-24




I had mine in March 2019. I hunted with a 38 lb bow by Oct and was pain free a year after surgery.

From: Mindful
Date: 06-Jul-24




I was a surgical assistant for years. From Craniotomies to hearts. The following is my take based on my experiences and training:

The “rotator cuff” is area of tendons, ligaments cartilage and some muscle, Not one place in the shoulder. Tears can occur in a number of areas. Without an MRI, even an orthopedic surgeon is simply guessing. The area of the tear and extent determine the repair. Therapy After the repair is crucial for full recovery. Therapy before an MRI can result in further damage.

I had multiple ligaments reattached and underwent a year of therapy……

I wish you welll

From: Backcountry
Date: 06-Jul-24




Bodyman, I’ve heard that the reverse replacement could mean the end of some weight-bearing activities. Does that include pulling a hunting-weight bow? If so, I’m not doing it. I can pull and shoot my 55# now and put up with some pain the next day.

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 06-Jul-24




Backcountry, my Dr. Said I could shoot up to 50# But why, 40-45# on deer will do the trick. JF

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 06-Jul-24




Backcountry, that question is definitely one for your surgeon to answer for you. JF

From: Backcountry
Date: 07-Jul-24




BmB, My surgeon became my ex-surgeon when he handed me off to his arrogant P.A. The surgeon wouldn’t talk to me until I actually scheduled surgery, so I decided not to have anything done, yet.

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 07-Jul-24




Backcountry. It sounds like you're not getting good vibes with the Dr or the PA. You could find another Surgeon. JF

From: Wapiti Chaser Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 07-Jul-24




I had both sides done. My surgeon gave me the cortisone shots each time , the right shoulder he had me try all the therapy and then have the surgery. He knew I wasn’t happy wasting all that time and money so when the left came up two years later I went in and looked at it and scheduled surgery without all the bs. Therapy after surgery 7 days a week is absolutely necessary, five days at home two visits to rehab. My surgeon is a surgeon for baseball pitchers so he’s pretty good, told me if everything goes perfectly expect 80% of what you have originally. I feel my right is closer to 90% but my left is probably 70%. At least I can shoot without pain .

From: Backcountry
Date: 07-Jul-24




You’re right, Jeff. Thanks for sharing your experience.

From: RD
Date: 07-Jul-24




Thanks for all your responses, I hope to get results from the MRI this week.

From: Burnsie
Date: 07-Jul-24




The key is for your Dr. to find out the extent of the damage and then determine what procedure is appropriate from there. All the therapy in the world isn't going to reattach a tendon that has completely tore away from the bone. If its a partial tear, committed therapy might very well get you healed up. My surgeon told me my tendon was hanging by a thread, he put anchors in the bone and reattached the tendon. I was immobile in a sling for 8+ weeks to allow the tendon to heal and re-attach. Dr. told me if I messed around and didn't follow his rehab schedule, I would probably tear the tendon back off and then I'd be screwed, there wouldn't be anything left to try again. The problem is, most Insurance companies and hospital systems insist on following a progressive, costly protocol before approving the MRI and surgery. They have you start with an X-ray, therapy, and possibly cortisone shots. After several weeks of therapy (and cost) nothing is improving, so they finally approve the MRI. Doctor reads the MRI and says - "You need to have surgery." They need to do the MRI right from the start and potentially save the hassle of all the therapy and money spent just to find out surgery was needed all along.

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 07-Jul-24




Mindful said it all.no one wants to hear that. I get that too.

From: senior bowhunter Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 07-Jul-24




I have had each shoulder repaired several times. everyone should read what MINDFUL said. Rotator cuff is actually several muscles, any one of which can be torn. Everyone is different. Physical therapy, done faithfully, helped shorten recovery time. That ICE MACHINE is worth its weight in gold, get it and use it. I was back to shooting in 5 months and hunting weight bows 3 months later. Good luck.

From: Supernaut
Date: 07-Jul-24




RD, best wishes with your rotator cuff and repairs.

I had 6 partial tears and a large full depth tear plus a torn bicep tendon. The MRI told the tale. I had an excellent surgeon who did my repairs using bio anchors. I had great therapists that helped me achieve my goals.

I followed my surgeon’s and therapist’s instructions to a T and I recommend you or anyone else do the same.

I won’t lie to you, the recovery and therapy are painful. You gotta wanna is about all there is to it.

Mindful hit the nail on the head above regarding recovery with therapy alone in my opinion.

From: Tim Finley Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 07-Jul-24




I tore mine the beginning of June stringing a bow with a bow stringer . Ive had my MRI and have an appointment on Thursday with a specialist . Im anticipating whats going to happen so last week I made myself a lefthanded bow 47# so Im learning to shoot lefty . I can draw my right handed 50# bows but when I let the string go I almost drop to knees . I wont try that again !

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 07-Jul-24




Make a 30 lb right had bow Tim. By the time you can shoot any bow. Right or left you can shoot a low poundage bow. You won't be able to hold that left handed bow up either until you are healed well enough. Ask me how I know.

From: jeff w
Date: 07-Jul-24




Question about rotator cuff injuries. For those that have suffered an injury, is this something that happens all at once, or does it develope over time? Occasionally I have a sore shoulder, just wondering if it is evident whether it would be muscle soreness or the beginning of something more serious? Also, does a rotator cuff injury generally affect the drawing arm, the bow arm, or either?

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 08-Jul-24




Jeff W. It can affect either arm. .y right started out as a small tear. It slowly tore a little at a time, like in 5-7 years. It just felt a little sore. Then the long bicep tendon tore completely one day. On my left I had a massive large tear all in one day. JF

From: Supernaut
Date: 08-Jul-24




jeff w,

I did all my damage all at once in a slip and fall. My feet flew out from under me and I was basically sideways in the air and I instinctively put my right arm down to brace my fall I guess,(this all happened in a split second).

I knew right away that I did some damage but I didn't know the extent until I had my MRI.

From: treehermit
Date: 08-Jul-24




Drawing shoulder and I was told it was caused by repetitive motion- tendon wearing against bone. Once it started, I felt EVERY little increase in the tear. Doc also ground/modified the bone to give better clearance.

From: Rock Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Jul-24




Wow, I am really surprized at how long it takes some to recover from this surgery. Tore my left rotator almost completely playing hockey years ago and had it repaired. Dr. told me I was good to go and could start shooting again after 10 weeks. Went home and got my wifes 35# bow and pulled it but it felt like a rubber band. Next picked up my hunting bow (67# @ 28") and pulled it part way several time then finally all the way to anchor with no issues. That shoulder is stronger now that it has every been.

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 08-Jul-24




My fall was Just like Super's.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 08-Jul-24




Falls take out older folks like clockwork.

I had both cuffs repaired in 1999-2000 when I was 45. No fall. Type 3 acromions -the doc said they were the worst he had seen- were digging into my tendons. Carpentry career and heavy weightlifting did them in. My shoulders were always sore. I finally felt something tear doing a max bench press and that ended heavy lifting. I had 3/4" cuff tears in both shoulders that took open surgery to repair. My doc -David Weinstein- was a top surgeon that accompanied the olympic team to several games. In fact his office is a couple miles from our house. GREAT surgeon.

RD. Follow your doc and therapist advice 'to the 'T'. You'll have a good result.

From: Mindful
Date: 08-Jul-24




I have one other suggestion to the wise:

Do your homework. Get second opinions. If you are not confident in the person who is proposing the repair…….find some who earns your trust.

From: Archer22
Date: 09-Jul-24




I fell while fishing in early May and didn't realize I was injured at the time, but the next day could not lift my arm. That led me to several doctors appointments, eventually ending up at a shoulder surgeon with MRI results. I tore my supraspinatus and my infraspinatus tendons partially and I have bone spurs and arthritis. I'm 37 and my doc said I have a 50-60yr old shoulder. He referred me for PT and said if PT failed, I'm definitely a surgery candidate. Fast forward to today, two months post injury and 6 physical therapy visits in, I have no daily pain and I'm back to daily routines with no discernible handicaps. I was actually able to shoot my 40# bow this weekend for a dozen shots. I formerly could shoot a 50# bow a hundred arrows a day. My therapist told me today my stability, strength, and range of motion looks like I don't even have any tears. I consider myself lucky. Now I've got 6 more PT visits and I am incrementally working back up in my bow weight. As of this moment, it looks like I can postpone surgery until further notice and may get to hunt this season. Everyone is different, every tear is different. Listen to your docs, be patient. Best of luck!





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