Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


3D shoot today, what I learned, enjoyed

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Lastmohecken 30-Mar-24
Lastmohecken 30-Mar-24
fdp 30-Mar-24
Lastmohecken 30-Mar-24
Basinboy 30-Mar-24
Clydebow 30-Mar-24
Supernaut 31-Mar-24
Wayne Hess 31-Mar-24
B.T. 31-Mar-24
Therifleman 31-Mar-24
bentstick54 31-Mar-24
HEXX 31-Mar-24
Lastmohecken 31-Mar-24
JBM 31-Mar-24
Wapiti - - M. S. 31-Mar-24
Maclean 31-Mar-24
Lastmohecken 31-Mar-24
Lastmohecken 31-Mar-24
dakotabowhunter 01-Apr-24
bentstick54 01-Apr-24
Lastmohecken 01-Apr-24
Lastmohecken 01-Apr-24
Red Beastmaster 01-Apr-24
Gorbin 01-Apr-24
Todd the archer 02-Apr-24
Lastmohecken 02-Apr-24
Linecutter 02-Apr-24
Corax_latrans 03-Apr-24
bugsy 49 03-Apr-24
Lastmohecken 03-Apr-24
DanaC 04-Apr-24
Tradarcher4fun 04-Apr-24
From: Lastmohecken
Date: 30-Mar-24




I hadn't been to a 3D shoot in 30 years or more. But I discovered one today, about an hour's drive away.

I had a great time and got in some good practice with a little pressure involved. I shot the course 3 times. I shot Longbow class, Recurve class, and then went back and shot Longbow class again, but of course the third time didn't count for score in the competition.

I got to see several selfbows, and talk and shoot with some of those guys. It makes me really interested in getting/building a selfbow.

I found out that all longbows competed in the same class and got to shoot some of the other's longbows which were all, made with more of a recurve style handle, like the Shrew, or TOELKE, etc. Those bows are miles apart from my Northern Mist Classic. Now, I see and understand why the Longbow class generates the highest scores of the whole shooting match. They also shoot at the same stake as the recurve guys.

I also, for this club, figured out that I was spending too much time shooting at long range, and needed to spend a lot more time, really learning to pinpoint those close shots, and get more 12's. I made a few 12's, several 10's and quite a few 8's, some 5's and messed up and got probably 4 or 5 zero's over the course of the day. But I didn't lose or ruin a single arrow, all day. I figured I would do much worse than that.

I also learned that just about all of the best shots, shot fairly light poundage (mid to high 30's, mostly) and not very heavy arrows, in general.

I made some good contacts on the selfbows, and got to see several selfbows. More than one selfbow had repairs on it that had been repaired with rawhide, but still shooting them.

I think I will keep shooting some matches, this summer, it's good practice for hunting.

From: Lastmohecken
Date: 30-Mar-24




Now, I am really enthusiastic about building/and or acquiring my first selfbow. I think I will finally get off of my butt and go find a nice Hickory to make a couple of staves out of.

From: fdp
Date: 30-Mar-24




It is fun and enlightening.

From: Lastmohecken
Date: 30-Mar-24




Yep, I enjoyed a lot.

From: Basinboy
Date: 30-Mar-24




Glad you had a good time! I really enjoy the fellowship at traditional shoots

From: Clydebow
Date: 30-Mar-24




Good day!

From: Supernaut
Date: 31-Mar-24




Sounds like a great day.

From: Wayne Hess
Date: 31-Mar-24




Good Times enjoy

From: B.T.
Date: 31-Mar-24




I like the 3D shoots too, its nice to be around like minded people.

From: Therifleman
Date: 31-Mar-24




Lastmochecken you hit the nail on the head for the 3d shoots I attend---- spending time really dialing in at closer distance has upped my scores greatly. Although we have an occasional 30 yd shot most of the targets are between 17-22 yds. It also pays to know how to connect on those 5 yd shots. Glad you had fun. I'm blessed to be able to shoot 3d year round and it never gets old.

From: bentstick54
Date: 31-Mar-24




Be careful with selfbows. They’re addictive.

I shot recurve and longbows for probably 40 years, made my 1st Osage selfbow in 2010, and after that haven’t shot anything but selfbows since.

Welcome to the 3d circuit. It’s lots of fun, great practice, and great commadarie.

From: HEXX
Date: 31-Mar-24




I shoot many 3 D shoots indoors and out. I know this is a generalization , but I find complete strangers are glad to meet and talk to you at trad shoots and no so much at compound shoots.

From: Lastmohecken
Date: 31-Mar-24




Yes, people do seem more friendly at the trad shoot, than I remember at the compound shoots, I went to, like 30 years ago.

From: JBM
Date: 31-Mar-24




So GLAD that YOU were able to ATTEND this SHOOT! Sounds like You had a GREAT TIME with the arrow flinging AND the people that You met. BLESSED BE!

From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 31-Mar-24




Sounds great glad you got out there.

From: Maclean Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 31-Mar-24




I attended my first 3D shoot of the year 2 weeks ago. My trad bowhunting club sponsors 3 or 4 a year. Great fun, great people, great hunting practice.

From: Lastmohecken
Date: 31-Mar-24




The scores came out today, on facebook for the match. I shot both recurve with my 43# Black Widow and Longbow with my 49# Northern Mist Classic. Out of 28, plus 2 more that didn't turn in cards, I came in #14, in the Recurve class. And I was #13 in the Longbow class out of 22. So, I am pretty much in the middle of the pack.

I shot my longbow again for a third round, just for fun and practice and it was my highest score of the day at 206 for 27 targets. The high score for longbow, that took the match was 252.

I felt like I was at a bit of a disadvantage with my classic ASL with heavy hunting weight arrows, shooting against all of the hybrid longbows with recurve risers. I was also shooting against some pretty skilled gap shooters, that had their gaps written down and taped to their bow. I didn't know that was legal but it is. But I know I can do better in the future. I will probably become more of a deliberate gap shooter, myself, verses my usual habit of shooting more or less instinctive/secondary vision method.

From: Lastmohecken
Date: 31-Mar-24




The highest score of the day was in Men's Selfbow, at 259 for the 27 targets. Of course, I guess you have to take into account, the stakes were usually a few yards closer. But I watched several selfbow shooters shoot and their bows were clearly deadly and plenty capable of taking deer, out to probably 15 yards, anyway, and probably much farther in the hands of a good shot.

From: dakotabowhunter
Date: 01-Apr-24




I used to go to a lot of 3D shoots with some local guys. I only go to a few a year now, my buddies and I haven't kept score for the last several years. We mostly go for fun of meeting everyone, seeing other bows and archery equipment. We of coarse love to tell hunting stories and pick on each other the whole time we're there. I guess we just go for fun. Enjoy the archery shoots that you go to and don't take it too seriously if you miss a few. :)

From: bentstick54
Date: 01-Apr-24




Lastmohecken, there’s no reason a well made selfbow should not be able to compete with most longbows and recurves. In my humble opinion, the shooter is the most important part of the equipment. With a little practice, a good shooter will quickly adapt to their equipment of choice and come out on top.

From: Lastmohecken
Date: 01-Apr-24




bentstick54, I agree with you. I do think some bows, are easier to shoot well for the average joe, but a really good shooter, can shoot most anything well, if the arrows are reasonably decent.

I shot with the 2nd place selfbow winner, for a couple of rounds, and he could shoot it very well. And I remember thinking, wow. If he could shoot that bow well, than most other bows, should be very shootable, for most people. It just a matter of which one, a person wants to get good with.

From: Lastmohecken
Date: 01-Apr-24




dakotabowhunter, Yes, I am just shooting it for fun and practice, and to see how good others can shoot. The score card is just a yard stick to see what I can do.

Of course, we all want to shoot our best. or shall I say shoot better. I think it's very good practice for me, since I am sticking with my actually hunting equipment, and not really trying to game it, just to win a match. It has to transfer over to hunting for me.

From: Red Beastmaster
Date: 01-Apr-24




Competition brings out the worst in people, even traditional archers. Keeping scores for trophies can suck the fun out of the best of intentions.

Personally, I refuse to keep score. None of my friends I shoot with keep score either. If they did they would be looking for a new group to shoot with. We know if it was a good killing shot without a score card.

I'm glad you had fun and seem to have the right attitude toward it. Keep it hunting related as you are and don't worry how you compare to the target shooters. They are not playing the same game.

From: Gorbin
Date: 01-Apr-24




"had their gaps written down and taped to their bow" Booooo! :(

From: Todd the archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Apr-24




3-D was originally created for hunting practice, and while not exactly like hunting it is better than shooting at paper at one distance. However like anything we adapt or evolve to the situation and so our equipment and techniques start leaning in the direction of the environment we shoot in. For example at competitive shoots the trend is towards heavier risers with shaped grips and lighter draw weights so we can hold steadier. Coupled with light arrows they still shoot with good speed needed on a 3-D course. Should add most 3-D courses are set up where shooting longer bows is not a problem. Then add in the precision needed to hit small 12 rings and one can see where gap/string walking has its advantages.

If we are not careful the tail can wag the dog UNLESS your goal is to win competitions and there is nothing wrong with that either, but like Howard said “ decide what you want to do, hunt or shoot targets, because the two just don’t go together”.

Now back to hunting practice, probably don’t need a 5 pound (mass weight) bow to make a 17 yard shot into a 8” vital area. I know some people don’t have issues with a 68” to 70” bow but some of do because of how and where we hunt. Same with wood arrows, you like to shoot them for your own reasons, fine but just not going to be as consistent as modern materials but are perfectly adequate for hunting. Method of precision aiming may not be needed when taking quick / close shots and pure instinctive may work better in that environment.

I say all this because you don’t want to get hung up score, but enjoy yourself first of all and secondly to find out how you and your setup works in a simulated hunting situation. Another issue is a trad bow class can be so micro devided that ruins the fun. Weather it’s a metal or wood riser, elevated rest, arrow material, finger touching the nock, string touching the limb, even the curvature of the limb (not kidding).

3-D is a fun game just don’t let it get in your head and dictate what you hunt with.

From: Lastmohecken
Date: 02-Apr-24




Good advice, Todd

One needs to know/remember why he is shooting 3D in the first place.

From: Linecutter
Date: 02-Apr-24




Where ever there is a Competition with Trophies or Money involved "Some" people will cheat how ever they can. My Club has had its Cheaters over the years, Traditional or Compound. I am lucky to have the group I shoot with. Our ONLY real completion is between each other even during our Summer League (You don't have to shoot with your Team, but your score goes towards the Team Score). If we are pulling arrows and calling out the score and it comes to our own arrow, if it is to close to call, we get a second or third opinion. I have seen more than once the puller wouldn't have given themselves the higher score, but asks someone else for their opinion. Many times the second person and/or third person will say: "You got it, you are touching the line.". My one buddy I shoot with (my biggest competition) in my group, we have to grumble at each other at times (having fun), to say : "You got it.". Now if you want to have some "REAL Fun" competition at a 3D Shoot, put a bounty on someone's arrow in your group at each target, screw the Trophies. As long as I am there shooting with my "biggest competition", there is ALWAYS a $1 bounty on his arrow 24/7/365, if you hit/slap it with your shot. 2 years ago I paid out at least $18 at ETAR. I ALWAYS keep my end of the deal :'). Most people don't believe me till I reach into my wallet and hand them a dollar bill (sometimes I have had to pay in coins). I've been doing this for years. He grumbles, but we get a laugh out of it. Now THAT is fun competition. Yeah some people Will intentionally aim for his arrow in or out of the kill zone, knowing this. I'd like to know how much I've paid up since I started doing it. One guy at ETAR Doubled the Bounty on one or two Courses with him and me paying. That is the ONLY time "I" ever made $1 shooting my buddies arrow and the world knew it to when I did it (25-27yd shot). I have that dollar bill taped to my work bench. I had the guy who paid me sign it, date it, and what year ETAR it was. THAT IS the Greatest Trophy I'll ever get. DANNY

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 03-Apr-24




“ The score card is just a yard stick to see what I can do.”

And good on ya for having the guts to do it! You shot scores, so now you have a record of what you can really do AND you know where your score stands in the grand scheme of things. Personally, I think most people would benefit from that kind of a reality check— not because it should change anything about their shot selection while hunting (unless they decide they should probably be even more conservative than they already are!) but just to get a realistic sense of what’s possible and (I would think) motivate them to demand more of themselves.

About 1/2 the guys I shoot with are using 3U, but none of us use a hard gap (not that I know of), and as long as I can hang with them, I feel pretty good… but for all I know, we’re all actually pretty awful! :p

But it’d be interesting to drag a bunch of us to a scored event and see how we all do.

And I DO realize that my shooting between #52 and #62 with close to 9 GPP puts me at a disadvantage compared to someone using #38 and 7 GPP; that’s OK. Frankly, I’d probably be within my rights to be pleased with myself if I could hang with the middle of the pack, if most are using a more target-oriented setup…. But it would still make me feel like I should kick it up a notch. I only really compete against myself, but having someone or something to chase after always provides a little extra motivation.

And given what I keep hearing about how miserably the average “trad” shooter does on a 3D course, I gather that I’m not the only one who might benefit from asking mor of myself….

From: bugsy 49
Date: 03-Apr-24




SOME fishermen lie ,and shooters cheat.

From: Lastmohecken
Date: 03-Apr-24




The good thing about shooting for score, is it puts a little more pressure on you, kind of like taking that shot at a nice deer.

And you get to shoot at a lot of life like targets that are unfamiliar and in an unfamiliar setting and unknown range. It's definitely good practice if one will look at it like that. The sheer variety of targets makes it worth the while.

From: DanaC
Date: 04-Apr-24




I get a hoot out of guys who only shoot "for fun" but then complain that someone else is "cheating". If it's a fun shoot THERE ARE NO RULES. Too far, get a bit closer. To close, get a bit further. Gap, string walk, face walk, use a sight, do what you like to have fun and hit the target.

Now if we're talking actual competition, with something on the line, then you need pre-agreed rules. IBO or ASA classes, double scoring etc.

I shoot with guys who gap and guys who string walk and they regularly kick my tail. You'd think I'd be smart enough to change my style, but ... We're all having a good time. Now if I'm actually competing, (ASA etc.) I shoot in an appropriate class and they shoot in other classes.

From: Tradarcher4fun
Date: 04-Apr-24




My buddies and I shoot for fun. If the opportunity presents itself we will unload all our arrows at the target. When we get behind a group that is keeping score, and these are mostly compound shooters, we go around them.





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