Reading the "short recurve" thread, it sounds like there can be more/less finger pinch from one bow to another. Are there makes/models of recurves with less finger pinch to a standard 28 inch draw? If so, which ones are they?
I agree with Frank that how finger pinch bothers people can be subjective. Whether or not there is finger pinch is simple mathematics - string angle - with one variable, the size of the fingers drawing the string.
Agreed with what Frank said but I am adding a twist: finger pinch is affecting more the split fingers shooters. With 3under, as long as you are not overbowed, the finger pinch is not an issue even with a 50” bow.
Agree with Draven; however, again like Frank said, it's subjective. I have always shot split-finger and because my draw is relatively average...27ish"...it's never bothered me. It's there, of course, but how it affects the archer is the subjective part.
It's definitely subjective in terms of whether it is uncomfortable. It will probably affect one's release more, regardless of comfort. It's just harder to get a clean, consistent release with shorter bows.
I've had a Bear KMag (52") and Cheyenne (55"), followed by my Bear TD with short riser and short limbs (56") as my shortest bows. Drawing 29", I never really felt string pinch, but I definitely struggled with release issues (shooting 3 under) with the KMag. The Cheyenne had a little more length, as does the TD. I find that (~55-56") to be the minimum bow length I can shoot consistently, but it's release, not discomfort.
I never thought of it before like that, what Draven said. SPLIT, your fingers are on both sides of a hard arrow nock, and string is squeezing, I guess it makes sense that your fingers could feel the bite, pressing in on the NOCK. With 3 under, yeh, nock is above all fingers, no pressure.
I think it would be more accurate to say, "it doesn't bother me," versus "I don't have finger pinch."
Perhaps, we should call it friction and surface area vs. "pinch."
This really isn't as subjective as some of the replies seem to make it out to be. The flatter the string on the surface of the fingers, the easier and cleaner one can get off the string. If you were pulling a flat string with one finger vs. three, one would be preferable. Now, create a steep angle in that string that compresses the fingers together. It's simply more difficult to get those fingers off the string, which is compressing them. It's really that simple.
It may not bother you. It may not be uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean it does not exist.
I'm sure it is there with my Super Magnum. But it doesn't bother me, it's not uncomfortable for me, and it has never affected my accuracy at least out to 30 yards. So, I won't lose any sleep at night worrying about it.
4nolz, you seem to be on me lately. I'm not sure what I've done to offend you. This from another site: Finger pinch occurs when the archer draws the bow string back using their fingers and releases the string by relaxing their fingers. When the string is released, it can snap back towards the bow, and if the archer's fingers are in the way, they can be pinched between the bowstring and the arrow nock.
Are you disagreeing that a greater string angle doesn't "pinch" the fingers more than a flatter bow string? This is geometry. You're fitting fingers into a greater or lesser angle, no?
If it doesn't bother or cause discomfort then go for it. I'm not telling people what to shoot, I'm merely stating facts so that the archer can make an informed decision. I'm actually just answering the initial question posed in this thread.
I can also visualize that large thick fingers will occupy more space in that string reversal area, at nock, than do my skinny fingers.....contributing MORE to potential PINCH for those with large thick fingers. I don't seem to notice any PINCH, not conscious of it, not bothered by it, with my 52"-ish shorty ILF rig. Not saying PINCH is not there for some people. Looking at it logically, it LOOKs like a real thing, string reversal angle on a 48" bow drawn to 30" versus a 64" bow drawn to 30".
Another variable is the shape of your hand. For example, my ring finger is quite a bit longer than my index finger, almost as long as my middle finger, so a bow 52" and under presents a string angle that is acute enough to create more pressure on the outside of my ring finger shooting split-fingers and that extra pressure affects my release and impact, in addition to building up a callus on the outside of that finger.
I don't mean to derail this thread, but has anyone tried or had any luck with the 2 finger under draw style that Dan Toelke advocates especially for short bows? It's like the split finger approach but the index finger is not hooking the string, and only lightly touches the nock, if at all. I'm not certain, but I think it was developed as a way to deal with the pinch effect of short bows with long draws.
Asiatic recurves have the least - I shoot a 54" Saluki Turk with a 30" draw as one of my primary bows... never been confronted with finger pinch. I have no idea why that design isn't more popular.
Short longbows are really where you start to maybe see issues... recurves (Asiatic or regular) open up and kinda hold their length as you pull them back... longbows it's just real simple geometry that works against the archer past a given point.
Maclean this is a 2 under release that Rusty Craine made years ago, it could be copied Im sure,I made one back then with a piece of antler but Ive never been happy with a tab Ive always gone back to fingers
As mentioned above it's subjective. I draw just under 28". I shot a 52" Kmag back in the 70s because that's what my Dad bought me n one of my brothers. I didn't really think about it back then. Today, I've drown find of 62" recurves. I can shoot shorter but I've just gotten spoiled with the 62". Not too short ,not too long for my draw length. You can shoot whatever length you put your mind to shoot...but no matter how smooth a bow is you still have to deal with string angle. I think sometimes what some people perceive as stacking is finger pinch.
You are really stressing those limbs out if your drawing over 28 29". I believe it is going to shorten the life out of those bows. I draw 31 and am about pulling the string off a Bear Grizzly that I had. The limb finally gave up and broke.
56” Browning Folding Hunter. Never shot anything shorter than 60” on a regular basis. I did own a 51# Kmag for a number of years, and I do seem to remember that one giving me a sore ring finger but only after warmup(which I did a lot of), 30 3Ds and sometimes a few more shots. I guess because the Browning has a longer riser it doesn’t pinch at all.