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Bare strands endloops

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Rooty 01-Feb-24
Rooty 01-Feb-24
Rooty 01-Feb-24
fdp 01-Feb-24
Rick Barbee 01-Feb-24
M60gunner 01-Feb-24
Burnsie 01-Feb-24
2 bears 01-Feb-24
Rooty 01-Feb-24
Rooty 01-Feb-24
Rooty 01-Feb-24
SteveBNY 01-Feb-24
Dan Jones 01-Feb-24
Jim 01-Feb-24
Rooty 01-Feb-24
fdp 01-Feb-24
Rooty 01-Feb-24
B.T. 01-Feb-24
Rooty 01-Feb-24
B.T. 02-Feb-24
Jim Davis 02-Feb-24
fdp 02-Feb-24
Jinkster 02-Feb-24
B.T. 02-Feb-24
Runner 02-Feb-24
Rick Barbee 02-Feb-24
B.T. 02-Feb-24
fdp 02-Feb-24
SteveBNY 02-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
Coop 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
fdp 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
Rick Barbee 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
Rick Barbee 03-Feb-24
SteveBNY 03-Feb-24
Buglmin 03-Feb-24
Rooty 03-Feb-24
B.T. 03-Feb-24
Rooty 12-Feb-24
From: Rooty
Date: 01-Feb-24




I heard and have see a pic that may B.E. is using that system.

From: Rooty
Date: 01-Feb-24

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From: Rooty
Date: 01-Feb-24




Something I will try as the material I use shouldn't fuzz as bad.

From: fdp
Date: 01-Feb-24




Why would one do that ? And who is doing it ?

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 01-Feb-24




Frank.

There are a few builders out there who are doing that.

They put twist in the loop ends, then serve them together with clear serving, in an attempt to make an endless look flemish.

It works somewhat, and they are nice looking strings.

I thought about trying it, but talked myself out of it by asking "me" this one question - Why?

I didn't have a good answer, so I didn't do it. LOL

Rick

From: M60gunner
Date: 01-Feb-24




I saw that on FB. It seems Olympic shooters have strings with no serving on the endless loop strings.

From: Burnsie
Date: 01-Feb-24




Not sure what we are even looking at or talking about.

From: 2 bears
Date: 01-Feb-24




I may try that. I think endless loop are slightly better & less stretch. I hate the stiff served loops. If you are not careful & don't squeeze them together it is easy to only catch the string groove on one side & possibly twist a limb. I make both kinds but only Flemish for my bows for that reason. >>>----> Ken

From: Rooty
Date: 01-Feb-24




Not in this case Rick. Olympic shooter B.E. has no need for a flemish looking string.

From: Rooty
Date: 01-Feb-24




Softer shot is one description made. Sorry for the fuzzy pic of a fuzzy loop.

From: Rooty
Date: 01-Feb-24

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I have made tag endloops where string material is used. I am going to try it just cuz.

From: SteveBNY
Date: 01-Feb-24




There are very very few who are doing no end servings at all. Some are doing tag end servings using the string material rather than traditional serving materials. Others, as Rick said, are using white serving applied tightly and then putting mineral oil on it so that it becomes clear.

One of those pics in that FB thread was Brady Ellison's. He is shooting Gas Bowstrings new proprietary blended material of sk75 and sk99 made for them by BCY - only made in natural white. They are serving the loops with an unidentified material I suspect is white also so it finishes clear and is hard to see unless you have in hand.

When joining their loops, they do not serve over the loop serving so there is a small gap which supposedly allows the string to lay flatter on the limb. This technique is used by many BB/Olympic shooters.

From: Dan Jones
Date: 01-Feb-24




Really?

From: Jim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 01-Feb-24




Not a chance!

From: Rooty
Date: 01-Feb-24




Hahaha

From: fdp
Date: 01-Feb-24




Interesting.....

From: Rooty
Date: 01-Feb-24




Angle has a great serving once you figure out the size difference. .021 angle is like .019 halo. .007 angle maybe what there using. Worth a try stay tuned.

From: B.T.
Date: 01-Feb-24




I’m confused and need pictures..LOL

From: Rooty
Date: 01-Feb-24

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Here's a feeble attempt not by me. FB pics

From: B.T.
Date: 02-Feb-24




I prefer serving on the end loops.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 02-Feb-24




Who would have thought we were so low on controversies????

From: fdp
Date: 02-Feb-24




If you want the color of the string material to show through at the loops you can serve over that area with clear monofilament.

There are several brands that are soft and work fine for that type of thing.

From: Jinkster
Date: 02-Feb-24




Jeesh O'pete! LOL! The premise of this latest fad of...

"Not Serving The Endless Loop Ends"

is some of these OCD competitive types inferring that because there's no serving on the loops that they perceive a reduction and abbreviation of low decibel limb vibes do to a decrease of mass at the limb tips (the mass being the missing serving on the loops)

Some even claim more forgiveness and accuracy because that mass isn't there to amplify any torsional anomalies.

Now I'm no string builder but I do have a scale and serving where 18"s of .026 suregrip weighed 4grs.

The day I figure 4 grains is worth me exposing the strands of my loops well?...I ain't got the words. No nice ones anyways. LOL!

From: B.T.
Date: 02-Feb-24




It seems like the two worst choices for an end loop. I had my last few endless strings built with 10 strands of D97 or 8 of 450+ with thin Halo serving material in the end loops…very tough strings.

From: Runner
Date: 02-Feb-24




It's definitely a thing with Olympic shooters. No serving or that gap between the served loop and the serving that holds the two sides together.

All sorts of claims are made of the benefits. Including reduced noise. Not sure how a target can be spooked.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 02-Feb-24




The sense that it makes is this:

When you don't serve the loops, I makes it so that the splice serving creating the loop is nice, round, and evenly distributed.

No uneven , or flat spot to cause misalignment of the string.

Rick

From: B.T.
Date: 02-Feb-24




I can understand that… seems like a minuscule amount of change, if any at all.

From: fdp
Date: 02-Feb-24




Personally...and we all know what's that's worth, I think it is completely irrelevant.

Having the strands unprotected/unserved creates a situation where the bow could be strung, with an uneven number on each side of the limb tip.

There are ways of making the string loop serving/splice serving smooth such as serving loops and splices all at one time, using 2 different sizes of serving, etc.

It actually seems to me that this method was started by someone who had difficulty getting their serving around the loops to stay tight without separating.

From: SteveBNY
Date: 02-Feb-24




I believe it is optional and not a law anywhere. Kind of like scrolling by a post ;^)

From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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From: Coop
Date: 03-Feb-24




Keep us posted. Have seen all the hype on FB. I can"t imagine it being worth while with hunting weight bows. Maybe for Olympic weight bows and those capable of Olympic style form. But who knows I once was wrong before in my life.

From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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Will see what the manufacturer has to say

From: fdp
Date: 03-Feb-24




Rooty what bow are you putting that string on ?

From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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Faux tag end

From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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I am going to 3 post the other faux tag end.

From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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Done proto one of bare strands with a faux tag end protection.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 03-Feb-24




That'll work very well for what it is designed to do, and looks very nice !

Rick

From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24

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Thanks Rick. Second proto will have .008 clear boa serving down to your suggested red line in the pic.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 03-Feb-24




Roger that. :-)

Rick

From: SteveBNY
Date: 03-Feb-24




Faux tag end is the technique most compound builders use on one end when doing a tag end set. Many will use a 2 post jig vs 3 or 4 post.

From: Buglmin
Date: 03-Feb-24




If you follow the post and read the comments, like from Chad Weaver, you'd learn that Brady was using a white string with black loop serving, not the ones people were originally talking about. There is no idea where the pictures camr from that said Brady was using any one of the strings in the pictures.

From: Rooty
Date: 03-Feb-24




Rooty out until the next time. Btw I Hate building Strings.

From: B.T.
Date: 03-Feb-24




Chad Weaver builds great strings. He will make an endless EXACTLY as specified with excellent craftsmanship. He also labels the string bag with all the specs so no guessing years later.

From: Rooty
Date: 12-Feb-24

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Bare strands on a Bear





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