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Archers overcoming bulging neck disc?

Messages posted to thread:
elkster 18-Jan-24
Randog 18-Jan-24
elkster 18-Jan-24
Bob J 18-Jan-24
Bloodtrailin 18-Jan-24
BEARMAN 18-Jan-24
2 bears 18-Jan-24
Real Buckmaster 18-Jan-24
Stan 18-Jan-24
elkster 18-Jan-24
bowhunt 18-Jan-24
4nolz@work 18-Jan-24
bugsy 49 18-Jan-24
Jimmyjumpup 18-Jan-24
Precurve 18-Jan-24
deerhunt51 18-Jan-24
Jim Davis 18-Jan-24
mountaineer 19-Jan-24
Greenstyk 19-Jan-24
sir misalots 19-Jan-24
Nimrod 19-Jan-24
HD 19-Jan-24
D31 19-Jan-24
elkster 19-Jan-24
Wapiti - - M. S. 19-Jan-24
Jimmy 20-Jan-24
Jimmyjumpup 20-Jan-24
Jimmyjumpup 20-Jan-24
Justin 20-Jan-24
Jimmy 20-Jan-24
Kansasclipper 20-Jan-24
HD 20-Jan-24
Jimmyjumpup 20-Jan-24
Chairman 20-Jan-24
elkster 20-Jan-24
David McLendon 20-Jan-24
elkster 21-Jan-24
Kansasclipper 21-Jan-24
Olde style 11-Feb-24
reb 11-Feb-24
elkster 12-Feb-24
Caughtandhobble 12-Feb-24
BigJim 13-Feb-24
From: elkster
Date: 18-Jan-24




Had the MRI yesterday.

Constant piched nerve for past 12 days. Can't drive.

I failed dry needling and P.T. before getting MRI.

I scheduled epidural for Monday.

My question:

Has anyone overcome this and continued trad archery or is a more likely future going to require a compound, crossbow or firearm?

From: Randog
Date: 18-Jan-24




Had bulging disc's for years. Just listen to your body and limit your shooting. Maybe shoot lighter weight bows.

From: elkster
Date: 18-Jan-24




I will listen a lot more closely!

Haven't been able to drive since the dam broke 12 days ago. Right now, it's hard to imagine shooting again.

Thanks for letting know.

From: Bob J
Date: 18-Jan-24




In 1975 or 76 I almost broke my neck in a fall while in the Army. Over the years constant neck aches and nerve pain in right shoulder and arm. Ultimately had to quit surfing around 2007 and it got so bad that I was afraid to shoot my bow as groups were getting really large and felt like I might lose the bow out of my hand and have it come back and smack me in the face.

Bow arm slowly got weaker along with my grip and atrophy. Sold all my archery stuff figuring I was done.

Finally VA did nerve conduction test and determined surgery to relocate the ulner nerve might help. Neck surgery was ruled out as I have bulging disc in C1 C2 C3 C4 along with stenosis, acklylosis and radiculopathy. Nov. 2016 had the surgery and almost two years later I recovered enough strength to get a low poundage bow (45 vs 55-60 is was shooting) and slowly got back into it.

Neck still aches and occasional trips to chiro and traction is keeping me in the game. Stretching before shooting my now 40lbs bow helps if it feel stiff beforehand.

Recovery from nerve dmage is slow but be patient and follow the doctors and therapist instructions.

I do not think a wheelie bow will help one bit. But getting to the woods and relaxing and just enjoy being there will you mentally cope through it all as you recover.

From: Bloodtrailin
Date: 18-Jan-24




I’ve had 3 c spine surgeries. 2 fusions and a third to correct a failed fusion. I’m still shooting 45# LB and recurves

From: BEARMAN Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Jan-24




Busted my spine up overseas when I was a Marine. The fractures caused all sorts of issues with my lower spine over time. It caused bulging disks, deteriorating disks ect. I waited to long to have surgery, I had surgery in 2017 and they put 5 screws in. I’m only 41 and very active with weights, running , biking ect. It slowed me down for a while but It had zero effect on my archery other than I couldn’t shoot a bow the first 3 months. ( wasn’t supposed to anyway). I still Shoot 45-50# regularly. Best of luck to you.

From: 2 bears
Date: 18-Jan-24




One disc was completely flat, nothing left. One was bulging putting pressure on nerves. I couldn't even lift a cup of coffee. Lost grip completely. They removed both discs. Took bone from my hip to machine 2 discs. Replaced the disk & fused with a metal plate & 6 screws to the vertebra above & below & the one between the damaged discs. Wasn't supposed to shoot bows or guns for a year.

When deer season opened I fudged a couple of months used a .243 with a muzzle brake. Practically O recoil. Then no problem at all for over 10 years. Just slightly limited head movement. Now arthritis is setting in with some discomfort. Still shooting bows & guns. >>>----> Ken

From: Real Buckmaster
Date: 18-Jan-24




you will be okay. you don't need a crossbow yet.

From: Stan
Date: 18-Jan-24




Mri will tell... As they say, everyone is different.. Had more than a few doctor -surgeons tell me the neck is nothing to mess with, compared to the back.. Could be real easy to be paralyzed, had my L4- L5 laminectomy, fusion 2months ago, (stenosis, sciatica). So glad I did. The neck is next.. Get er done, don't mess around if it is serious.. Do a ton of research.for a doctor..

From: elkster
Date: 18-Jan-24




Thanks to all of you for your responses.

I will keep a positive outlook for now and reading about those of you who have recovered is an encouragement.

I'm old enough (59) to not rush things and stick to a program.

From: bowhunt
Date: 18-Jan-24




When *I injured my lower back L-1,L-2 and L-3.Bottom three.It was at its worst when I 1st injured it.Like really really bad!!!

Over the years it has improved alot.I never had surgery.When you get some scar tissue it should feel better.It will take awhile.

I do alot of stretching,ice and heat when it gets bad.Which happens when thier is pressure on the nerve when the disks move.

I also get on pain killers,anti inflammatories and steroids for a 1 week cycle when I am in real bad shape.

keep your neck alligned when you sleep..Proper pillow height if your side sleeper etc.Try laying on your back relaxing with no pillow under your head.Its good allignment and should take some stress off the neck

A bag of frozen corn or peas etc is good for iceing.You can use it over and over again.

A lazy boy etc is good tilted back more to stop the effect of gravity more.Same if your driving the car.Tilt the seat back and maybe put a small pillow under the neck area or folded over towel ghat fits right in their.

Ofcouse see the doctor and get recommndation and maybe therapy massage etc.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 18-Jan-24




Pretty sure EDon Thomas wrote an article about his experience with it

From: bugsy 49
Date: 18-Jan-24




Hobbies are to suppose to be fun, and every body have opinions about every thing. I won't give you mine, but I know what I would do.

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 18-Jan-24




I’m overcoming it now. Had 3 discs replaced 10 days ago.

From: Precurve
Date: 18-Jan-24




I lost all use of my bow arm because of nerve damage in my spine. I had no feeling in it and no strength. I had spine surgery in August of 2021 and it hasn’t come back completely yet, but it’s gotten better. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to shoot the same draw weight. I’ve lost about15lbs of bow arm strength over what I was shooting before the problem came up.

From: deerhunt51
Date: 18-Jan-24




Surgery?

From: Jim Davis
Date: 18-Jan-24




Couldn't draw a bow and turn my head enough to see one target. Mostly didn't shoot for a year and a half. Pain is finally gone and when the weather warms, I'll try to get back to it.

From: mountaineer
Date: 19-Jan-24




Not your exact scenario, but exactly 1 year ago I had spinal fusion surgery done because of severe spinal stenosis combined with a severely herniated disc in my lower back. It ruined my life for over a year, including archery. It caused me to lose function of my S1 nerve chain (i.e. glute, hamstring, and calf muscle on my right leg all stopped working neurologically). Fast forward a year after surgery and I'm great - I truly feel great.

I'm not saying get surgery - it's something that you have to figure out case by case. But, I AM TELLING YOU, that you CAN get back to enjoying all aspects of archery even after having a debilitating nerve issue that changed your entire life for a time.

My doctor told me a old, but extremely poignant saying before my surgery as it related to recovery... "Whether you think you CAN, or you CAN'T...you are right."

From: Greenstyk
Date: 19-Jan-24




Everyone’s situation is different. I’ve had arthritis in my cervical vertebrae for years and a pinched nerve in C5 caused by a bone spur that affects my right arm. It doesn’t affect my ability to draw my bow nor does shooting seem to make it worse or inflame it. Anti inflammatory meds (Vioxx) helped mine when it originally flared up. Vioxx is no longer on the market.

From: sir misalots
Date: 19-Jan-24




sooner than later your body fails you. Old man time and uncle arthur will get to you. Do what you can but if you can shoot traditional its no disgrace. Id rather see you in the woods hunting with something than you give up on hunting.

From: Nimrod
Date: 19-Jan-24




I’ve been dealing with C3 and C4 bulging disc’s for about 12 years now. A few years ago I had all but given up on shooting my bows. I sold or traded them away for other weapons to keep me in the game. I did all kinds of therapy and medicine. Some of it worked and some not so much. It got quite expensive paying for chiropractors and physical therapy. After all this I learned how to make use of these tools and take care of myself to a degree. Now I’m able to use a lighter bow and still do what I love and have done for over 45 years, and that is shooting my recurve. I realize that I’m not as worse off than others here and yes, everyone is different and have their own afflictions they deal with. All I told myself is to keep going and never give up on what you love, to bend my bow till I’m no longer able…….Nimrod

From: HD Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 19-Jan-24




I would make an appt. with a pain management doc. and try a injection and go from there. I have had multiple injections and some worked great and some not so good.You will have to bring your MRI information with you.

From: D31
Date: 19-Jan-24




I lost the use of my left arm and spent six months eating pain killers waiting for my insurance company to approve an MRI. When I got the MRI the surgeon showed me the disc between the vertebrae was completely disintegrated and a bone spur 3/4 inch long was protruding into a channel pinching the nerve that controls your left arm. He went in through the front of my neck and replaced the missing disc with a piece of donated bone and caged and screwed the vertebrae together. I have been pain free since the surgery and would recommend anyone who has a condition that can not resolve itself through therapy get the surgery.

Like my Surgeon told me," No amount of therapy is going to remove that bone spur, surgery is the only option." I believed him because I heard him tell the three patients before me that their conditions did not warrant surgery at this time. When he walked into my room he said we can schedule the surgery for tomorrow. I said OK, tell me where and when. He did say that eventually the disc below the one he replaced is going to reach a point that it will need to be replaced. Thankfully I have not had an issue with that one but I will say this. I will immediately go for the surgery before going through the misery I did with the last one. Good Day

From: elkster
Date: 19-Jan-24




Yes HD, I did just that and have an injection on Monday.

Thanks to all for checking in.

I glad to hear there is a good chance I will overcome this condition and shoot again some day.

Charles, I haven't talked to DR. about surgery yet.

Eric, yes gravity is harsh so I'm reclined most of the day. Will get the right pillow.

Johnathan, good advice from your Dr.

I hope you recover fully Jack.

From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Jan-24




Hope & pray you have full recovery good luck.

From: Jimmy
Date: 20-Jan-24




The neck is a tough one. It's hard to compensate in any way that gives relief. I had disk replacement in 2011 and have been super ever since. I fractured mine in a fall back in the 80s. Flying night vision goggles in the army disintegrated the disk over time (resonance).

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Jan-24




I was getting weak as a cat and losing strength I built back up after shoulder surgery 5 years ago. I’ll build it back up again. Hope to be shooting my 52 lb Schafer by fall. If I am pain free I don’t care what poundage I have to shoot. I’ll get closer. Lol. I have been in pain for over 30 years. Being bent over fixin rotten teeth is hard on the neck and back. I’m 11 days out and still feel like a bus ran over me. Will 40 lbs kill a deer?

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Jan-24




I was getting weak as a cat and losing strength I built back up after shoulder surgery 5 years ago. I’ll build it back up again. Hope to be shooting my 52 lb Schafer by fall. If I am pain free I don’t care what poundage I have to shoot. I’ll get closer. Lol. I have been in pain for over 30 years. Being bent over fixin rotten teeth is hard on the neck and back. I’m 11 days out and still feel like a bus ran over me. Will 40 lbs kill a deer?

From: Justin
Date: 20-Jan-24




Shoot a 40# bow. I've been through this after many years of shooting heavier bows. Try not to give up.

Justin

From: Jimmy
Date: 20-Jan-24




"Will 40# kill a deer?" One of the most discussed topics on LW since inception. Let's not derail the thread Jimmyjumpup - the simple answer is Yes.

From: Kansasclipper
Date: 20-Jan-24




My neck was horrible and fought a pinched nerve for years. Went down to a 41 lb and even then every time I would shoot I had nothing but pain. Went to the chiropractor and PT. My son is a PT and suggested I get a Teeter Inversion Table. Took about 2 weeks and I have been pain free for about a year now.

From: HD Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 20-Jan-24




You might want to go to PT after your injection, the only way to help your neck is too get it stronger.

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Jan-24




Seriously Jimmy? Duh

From: Chairman
Date: 20-Jan-24




I had c6 c7 fused in 2010 just assed the 14 year mark. The first few weeks you wonder what did I do. They grind bone and move a bunch of stuff, but I was raring to go long before the 8 pound limit was lifted. I hit the PT hard , I wanted to get better and it was a life changer. There is not a lot of modern life that is appealing to me but what modern medicine can do is marvelous.

From: elkster
Date: 20-Jan-24




Justin, I will shoot a lighter bow and I will not give up. Besides, archery keeps me off the golf course....

Jeff, my daughter is a P.T. I will ask about Teeter Inversion Table. Gravity is harsh after about one minute of standing now.

John, Im glad to hear there can be good outcomes from surgery.

From: David McLendon
Date: 20-Jan-24




You are a lot better off to seek medical advice from your doctor than from here.

From: elkster
Date: 21-Jan-24




David,

In my original post I mentioned already having an MRI and a doctor on the case arleady.

Advice I seek is not medical but rather how many have overcome similar situation.

From: Kansasclipper
Date: 21-Jan-24




Teeter Inversion. Safe, non-invasive, no medicine to poison your body, and your not paying a doctor. Great for your back, hips, etc. Also weight lifting has helped me tremendously. As I got older and retired from coaching, I got away from strength training. Started lifting again back in July and it has made a major difference in my joints and tendons. I think it is important for senior citizens like myself to strength train. I try to avoid doctors and medicine at all costs and explore much more natural methods. By lifting weights and taking a fiber supplement daily, I have lowered my blood pressure and re-invented my body.

From: Olde style
Date: 11-Feb-24




I had my bottom 3 disk in my neck destroyed from 30 years sheetrocking started me on anti inflammatory medication-rubs-Botox experiment study-2 years of pain management and 1 year of fentanyl before finding a sports medical doctor.He took bone from hip and fused all 3 and put a titanium cage with screws in the bone.This was in a 6 year timeframe ,after the operation 6 months to get off the painkillers and 8 years of trying to get back to normal.Very dark times for 14 years , now constant headaches, neck aches,blurred right eye, ringing in ears,and tingling in fingers in both hands.Easy to get VERY depressed ( even suicidal ) but now this year I am starting to shoot 30# recurve again.After all this all I can say is go after the root cause of the pain with a qualified doctor as most of the bandaid stuff is only because some doctors love to drag things on for years ( money game ).I lost excess weight,exercise everyday, changed my diet from inflammatory items and the biggest I think is my attitude towards life.I refuse to give in and keep moving forward even if it is just to help someone else -Please remember GOD have given everything we need to heal ourselves.I also do not see any doctors I sure even people with no issues understand after the Covid vaccine why they can be dangerous.Good luck and GOD bless

From: reb
Date: 11-Feb-24




Prayer sent for things to work out for you.

From: elkster
Date: 12-Feb-24




I'm avoiding pain pills but that's tough to do day in and day out. Still doing P.T. but not able to drive yet.

Mobility has improved by about 25%

Thanks to you all for the info.

From: Caughtandhobble
Date: 12-Feb-24




It will get better my friend. Just remember, there's no shame shooting firearms :)

I have had my share of back issues, 10 years ago I had a Big Jim Thunderchild that was 70lbs. Nowadays I shoot 45-55 with little to no issues.

The best thing you can do is stretch and do core strengthening exercises.

From: BigJim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Feb-24




Don't worry, be happy and don't give up.. persevere.. all good things to fall back on when times are tough and the body doesn't want to cooperate.

When all else fails, ease off a bit.. lighter weight bows, compounds, crossbows, or firearms... there are plenty of challenges out there for any of the above to keep things interesting.

If any one has something to say, you tell them to kick rocks! BigJim





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