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Chrysalis ?

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CritterGitter62 27-May-23
bugsy 49 27-May-23
Jeff Durnell 27-May-23
Runner 27-May-23
CritterGitter62 27-May-23
BowAholic 27-May-23
tim baker 20-Jul-23
George D. Stout 20-Jul-23
Jim Davis 20-Jul-23
Jeff Durnell 20-Jul-23
Runner 20-Jul-23
Jeff Durnell 20-Jul-23
From: CritterGitter62
Date: 27-May-23

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All I have a Guava selfbow that I don't shoot that often but I love the bow. It's a bit on the heavy side 76@27 butI'm still able to shoot it. After looking it over in the sun I found this. Does this mean the bow is at it's end because I don't see anything else wrong with it and It still shoots very quietly. Is this Chrysalis ?

Thank you all Pete

From: bugsy 49
Date: 27-May-23




I refer to that as a belly fret. Not good. Through time the limb will hinge in that spot. You may slow the process by removing belly wood on both sides of the frets, and wrap the frets, and trap the back. Then re tiller, but at some point it will fail.

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 27-May-23




Chrysal, fret, same thing. Lateral line, or lines, of crushed wood fibers on the belly. From here it appears to be the case.

I concur with Bugsy. There are various methods of repairs that can be attempted, and their chances of success depend on severity and why it fretted to begin with. If the design isnt suitable for the wood species, draw weight, draw length, etc, depending on how you 'fix it', it may just fret worse or fret somewhere else.

If on the other hand it was designed well, but acquired a fret near a knot or other anomaly, I've had good success grinding them out a gluing in a patch of good wood... gotta be the right circumstances though.

76 pounds is a stout selfbow. How wide and long is it? Is it a straight bow?

From: Runner
Date: 27-May-23




Is this a bow made by Manny?

From: CritterGitter62
Date: 27-May-23




Yes it is

From: BowAholic
Date: 27-May-23




Manny...the Guava King... it can't hurt anything to take some weight off of the bow and it might help with the over stressed belly. Good luck.

From: tim baker
Date: 20-Jul-23




The belly is crowned a bit, not flat? If so then, related to above comments, one option is flattening the belly, lowering draw weight to tolerable levels.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 20-Jul-23




That looks like a D cross section, ala English longbow style.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 20-Jul-23




I'm aware that no one will care, but:

Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more chrys·a·lis noun noun: chrysalis; plural noun: chrysalises

a quiescent insect pupa, especially of a butterfly or moth. "the transformation from egg to caterpillar to chrysalis and, finally, adult"

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 20-Jul-23




I care and knew the difference as many others did I'm sure. Just elected not to make it 'a thing'.

I learned what chrysalis meant when Dean described in his book prepared, partially reduced staves as such... with the selfbow inside waiting to emerge a fresh new beautiful bow.

Chrysalis and bow chrysals/frets are entirely different.

Gotcha. Thanks.

From: Runner
Date: 20-Jul-23




It is a radiused belly of practically D shape but it's not a longbow per se.

Manny was a devotee of the Torges style bow whether merely by accident or on purpose.

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 20-Jul-23




Yep. That bow shape looks like most all my wooden bows... my unflat flatbows. Does not look like an English longbow. Not deep enough.





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