Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Deer vocals and such

Messages posted to thread:
tradslinger 26-May-23
Wayne Hess 26-May-23
Clydebow 26-May-23
Douglas Tubbs 27-May-23
kaw369 27-May-23
Stickbow Felty 27-May-23
2Wild Bill 27-May-23
Mahigunn 27-May-23
Clydebow 27-May-23
tradslinger 27-May-23
From: tradslinger
Date: 26-May-23




Back in the late 70s, I began to actually hunt deer with a bow more seriously. Up to this point, I mainly had deer hunted with a rifle or a muzzleloader. But the lure of taking a deer with a bow was strong and so I began my quest.

Now I did not know a soul that actually bow hunted, around here, it was all gun and dogs. I had managed to pick up a bow hunting magazine and of course, drooled all over it. But my knowledge of deer at the time was zilch.

My first couple of years of hunting was pretty simple, I found a tree that I could climb and climbed up to a limb that I could stand on or sit on. After a couple of times of nearly falling, I began tying myself in with rope or usually, a long fish stringer.

This was all done out of ignorance of course but the school of hard knocks usually is that way. I didn't know anything about deer, I just found some deer tracks or droppings and hunted that spot. Yeah, didn't see much that way plus deer were hard to come by here.

Slowly I began to look for food sources and for actual trails. I had graduated to boards nailed to a limb and they were pretty sketchy. Finally, I saw a Baker climbing tree stand in a store and bought it. No seat, just the climbing part with you hugging the tree.

That stand taught me a lot about that word, safety. Long sleeves were a must, it was a pain just climbing, not to mention the occasional slide down un expectedly. But then I began to do some things right and began to see some deer.

I was surprised to hear how vocal they were, especially a doe and fawns. It is amazing at what you can see and hear from up high like that. The first time that I heard a deer grunt, I thought that it was a hog and we had the hogs. I got to hear this dude quite a bit before I got to see him and it was exciting.

I got to see does kick the snot out of a fawn that wasn't minding, usually a buck fawn. I got pretty good at using my mouth for the fawn in distress call and they came in. Some fast but most pretty slow as they checked everything out.

I was hunting over a Game and Fish food plot, clover, and got to see two does stand up on their hind legs and go at it several times before the dispute was settled.

And then the mysteries of scrapes and such began to make sense as did the rubs. The sheer importance of the wind became very obvious and I tried everything from skunk to fox urine.

Heck I made all kinds of scents for cover up as well as getting higher and higher in my stand. But when the deer came from downwind, it usually meant that I got busted but not all of the time. These mountain winds swapped ends all of the time. I began to learn how to pick a good tree for the wind and usually had one picked out for whatever wind that I had.

By the 90s, I had a lot more competition and got good at spotting stands in trees or the tell tale signs of a climber use on a tree. I also go a lot more secretive about my stands and even the trails going in to them.

I trapped hard one year and really learned a lot about critters and deer. Now things like funnels and food sources really stuck out to me. I also had been rattling for years and knew that it can be very productive.

I guess that as you grow in wood knowledge, you get to understanding how vocal so many critters are and how important it is to them. My predator hunting had enabled me to coax in various animals for a close bow shot. And surprisingly, I have called in several very nice bucks while using a rabbit in distress call.

I also learned that I could influence a deer to come my way, not always but enough times to try it when I have to. I guess what I am saying is that I went from being totally quiet no matter what to being vocal in many different ways for deer. Most of the times, I had nothing to lose and a lot to gain. After all, I do prefer those very close shots.

From: Wayne Hess
Date: 26-May-23




Good input, enjoy

From: Clydebow
Date: 26-May-23




That's the same journey many of us had. Now, all you have to do is buy a video, or google something.

From: Douglas Tubbs
Date: 27-May-23




First manufactured grunt call I knew of outside of the Alaskan deer call was the Buckaroo out of Dewittville, NY. It was a hand operated call and I still have it. Next for me was a Lohman grunt call that sounded like a duck call but I think the higher pitch was more like a doe bleat. Called a buck in on November 1st the day after I killed my buck with a recurve calling fox with a Faulk's adjustible predator call that I might have had set lower like a fawn or doe in distress. It was the first snow and he ran right up to me with snow on his back. This was about 1984 and my buddy and I started rattling and both called in bucks our first time out. We were pumped to say the least! It was all so new to me and so much fun.

From: kaw369
Date: 27-May-23




I have some good results with just the snort call.

From: Stickbow Felty
Date: 27-May-23




I usually only here the deer being vocal during the rut. I call in at least 1 buck every year with a grunt call.I have never got a shot at one i called in yet.

From: 2Wild Bill
Date: 27-May-23




First time I hunted with a bow I used a Kmeer Deer mewing call. The doe left a nearby group feeding under an oak to find me. I made the straight down shot and have been hooked on calling deer ever since.

I would say my most exciting call was a snort wheeze challenge I witnessed a week earlier. I heard a snort wheeze and thought I had been busted, however, the sound repeated itself again and again and again, until I then noticed a doe coming through the woods straight towards me. Behind her was a huge buck. The snorting and running sounds I heard was a smaller buck trying to draw the bigger buck away from the doe. It was one of the most fascinating sights I've ever personally seen. The whole event moved in my direction and never presented me with a shot. They moved in the direction of a buddy hunting with me, but he never had a shot either, and as they moved away the racket never stopped.

So, I'm hunting another location a week later and spotted a buck following a doe about eighty yards away. They circled my position and moved upwind from behind me on my right to a location ahead of me and slightly to my left. The doe bedded and the buck stood over her. My tree was on a level ground where they were and dropped off behind me. I had a scent rag fifteen yards upwind and ahead of me. As best I could I started snorting through my nose to simulate what I heard that smaller buck do. The buck left the bedded doe and moved in my direction. When he started moving I stopped snorting and his travels put him fifteen yards to my left, but quarting towards me. I could see him catch a wiff of my sent rag and he again turned towards me as to go to the scent rag. Besides quarting towards me there was brush covering his vitals. He was maybe ten yards when he must have spotted me up the tree. He stopped and stood there moving his nose as he drank in the odor. After five minutes he slowly began walking backwards away from me. At about twenty five yards he went back to the doe and all that while I had no shot. I can tell it like I was still there.

From: Mahigunn
Date: 27-May-23




A while ago a young hunter posted video of wounding a buck with a traditional bow because,from my experience, he was shooting at an alert deer. My reference to IBEP and use of the word unethical really got him offended. Apparently successfully killing alert deer to that point with a compound bow made him believe he could do it with a stickbow. He completely missed the process you describe of learned about deer behavior by simply paying attention.

From: Clydebow
Date: 27-May-23




Grunt call, bleat can, and rattle bag. Had them all work separately and together. Not always, but fun when they do.

From: tradslinger
Date: 27-May-23




a deer's reaction can be so unbelievably fast at times. But they don't all react the same way. you may notice quite a difference in behavior from one deer to the next. some that been "schooled" may be looking up a lot and maybe into trees where they have been shot at before. Like many, i used to wait until their heads were down to shoot but I seemed to either miss high or hit high, sometimes a spine shot. so now no matter what, try for the low heart shot with head up. if they duck, should still be a double lung shot, if they don't, a heart shot. a deer's reaction can be so fast that your mind plays tricks on you. Experience means so much, learning as you go and trying to do better each time. learn why you were successful or why you missed or wounded. a camera can reveal so much and even surprise you.





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