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Black Locust Sisters

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SteelyDan 24-Jan-23
SteelyDan 24-Jan-23
SteelyDan 24-Jan-23
bentstick54 24-Jan-23
NE Archer 24-Jan-23
Supernaut 24-Jan-23
bodymanbowyer 24-Jan-23
Stickbow Felty 24-Jan-23
Gray Goose Shaft 24-Jan-23
Gray Goose Shaft 24-Jan-23
Gray Goose Shaft 24-Jan-23
Bassmaster 24-Jan-23
Don T. Lewis 24-Jan-23
Strick9 24-Jan-23
SteelyDan 24-Jan-23
ron w 24-Jan-23
George Tsoukalas 24-Jan-23
Runner 24-Jan-23
SteelyDan 24-Jan-23
Runner 24-Jan-23
Basinboy 24-Jan-23
OsageOrangutan 25-Jan-23
Wayne Hess 25-Jan-23
wooddamon1 25-Jan-23
PEARL DRUMS 25-Jan-23
Randog 25-Jan-23
tradslinger 25-Jan-23
Buzz 25-Jan-23
Stickbow Felty 25-Jan-23
Butch 72 25-Jan-23
tradslinger 25-Jan-23
Bob Rowlands 25-Jan-23
George Tsoukalas 25-Jan-23
SteelyDan 25-Jan-23
MStyles 25-Jan-23
George Tsoukalas 25-Jan-23
PA Bones 25-Jan-23
hickory 25-Jan-23
jwhitetail 27-Jan-23
Arvin 02-Feb-23
Johnnyb1815 02-Feb-23
From: SteelyDan
Date: 24-Jan-23

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Here are three black locust self bows I have just finished up....my first try with locust. BL-1 is 64" and 52#@26". It wanted a handle and shelf, so that is what it got.

BL-2 didn't want a shelf. It finished out at 55#@26" and it really flings an arrow. It has some sexy curves on the bottom limb.

BL-3 has no shelf and is the light weight of the group at 42#@26". It got painted red and lifted a tiny splinter on the back by a knot. Consequently it got a rawhide patch and jute wrap. It took quite a bit of set for some reason.

SD

From: SteelyDan
Date: 24-Jan-23

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Sorry the pics are turned sideways.

From: SteelyDan
Date: 24-Jan-23

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Grrrrr....

From: bentstick54
Date: 24-Jan-23




Those are good enough looking I can look at them sideways. Great job. Would love to see some full draw shots though.

From: NE Archer
Date: 24-Jan-23




Very nice

From: Supernaut
Date: 24-Jan-23




Nice job on those bows, look great! Enjoy them in good health.

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 24-Jan-23




Cool. I bet you had fun making those. JF

From: Stickbow Felty
Date: 24-Jan-23




Awesome bows

From: Gray Goose Shaft
Date: 24-Jan-23

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Nice bows, thanks for the pictures.

From: Gray Goose Shaft
Date: 24-Jan-23

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From: Gray Goose Shaft
Date: 24-Jan-23

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From: Bassmaster
Date: 24-Jan-23




nice

From: Don T. Lewis
Date: 24-Jan-23




Outstanding! Nice work!

From: Strick9
Date: 24-Jan-23




Those are gorgeous brother!

From: SteelyDan
Date: 24-Jan-23




Black locust is not native to our area in the Pacific NorthWest so it took me a while to figure out what it was. These were prunings cut last January and had been lying stacked in a ladies field. Most were about 7 feet long and straight and 4-5 inches in circumference.

I got them in May and the bark still slipped right off....bonus. I reduced them in size and left them in the hayloft for the rest of the summer. It has quite a distinctive odour to the wood shavings.

I still have 3 staves left to work so maybe I will try a pyramid bow next or maybe try making a recurve. This is white wood but stained with dark walnut stain.

I will try and get someone to take pictures at full draw soon.

SD

From: ron w Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Jan-23




Nice job

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 24-Jan-23




Mighty fine! Great looking bows! Jawge

From: Runner
Date: 24-Jan-23




Looks like you did not remove the sapwood and just made them as is. Is that the pith showing in the fades?

From: SteelyDan
Date: 24-Jan-23




You are right Runner. The staves were not large enough to have enough heartwood for a bow after removing the sapwood. After the bark was removed the back was clean and unviolated.

I read in one of the Traditional Bibles that sapwood will still make a durable bow. These have been shot over a hundred times each and show no signs of duress. BL-2 is very snappy indeed.

I heat treated the bellies on all the bows. BL-3 showed set almost from the start of the tillering process and was the only one that did not respond from the heat treat.

I respect your opinion. Let me know what else I could have done. Thanks.

SD

From: Runner
Date: 24-Jan-23




I have no opinion either way. Some say that sapwood is best removed from non whitewood trees and others will counter with success stories. I do get how heartwood would have better compression abilities with resin saturation.

I just happened to notice the circle of the growth rings.

From: Basinboy
Date: 24-Jan-23




Nice work Sir!

From: OsageOrangutan
Date: 25-Jan-23




Very nice.

From: Wayne Hess
Date: 25-Jan-23




3 Nice Black Locust bows

From: wooddamon1 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 25-Jan-23




Very nice!

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 25-Jan-23




You put the steering wheel on the wrong side :)

From: Randog
Date: 25-Jan-23




Very nice.

From: tradslinger
Date: 25-Jan-23




They look beautiful to me. Simple and elegant, light and deadly, a joy to shoot! what more can a guy ask for? I never have worked with any locust.

From: Buzz
Date: 25-Jan-23




Nice work.

From: Stickbow Felty
Date: 25-Jan-23

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A friend just sent me this pic of some black locust staves. I will be getting a couple soon, merry Christmas to me

From: Butch 72
Date: 25-Jan-23




Very Nice! I have a Black Locust 200' from where I sit , very tall and straight as an arrow . I've often wondered how many bows are in that tree....

From: tradslinger
Date: 25-Jan-23




some pretty wood there Greg

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 25-Jan-23




Nice looking bows Colin. Good job. Thanks for the photos.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 25-Jan-23




My last self bow was BL. I did not have enough heartwood for the back so I left 1 ring of sapwood. Interestingly, at least to me, LOL, is I caught that ring in the middle of changing to heartwood. I could tell by the color.

Anyway, the ideal scenario is an all heartwood back. Since sapwood changes to heartwood, from the inside out, the closer one gets to the heartwood the better (denser) the sapwood.

I have made lots of BL bows with sapwood backs but the ones with heartwood backs were probably less likely to splinter. But that was a long time ago and I have more experience now.

Anyway. Enjoy the journey, Dan.

George

From: SteelyDan
Date: 25-Jan-23




Thanks for sharing your experience George. As I say, this was my first try at locust.

These bows are about as primitive as you can get. No tip overlays; just a bent stick. But they shoot well.

SD

From: MStyles
Date: 25-Jan-23




Nice looking bows, congrats.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 25-Jan-23




I'm with you, SD. Nice looking sticks. Jawge

From: PA Bones Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 25-Jan-23

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Great job on those black locust bows. I like the stain jobs. They all look like smooth shooting bows. They make great selfbows.

I recently cut a nice, 18” wide black locust tree and ended up with over a dozen staves (photo attached). Should be some future bows there.

From: hickory
Date: 25-Jan-23




All three are beautiful!

From: jwhitetail
Date: 27-Jan-23




Wow... those are beautiful bows. I dream about getting underway and making a BL bow.... we have a grove in front of our house. I did have a beautiful, straight stave last year, but I let it cure without splitting or debarking and the woodworms burrowed through it.

Let us know if you build more... Well done! JW

From: Arvin
Date: 02-Feb-23




Nice bows!

From: Johnnyb1815
Date: 02-Feb-23




Those are some fine looking bows man! I made my first BL this past fall, just a little 42" bow for my youngest nephew but I was impressed with how well it came out. I have one full size stave drying that should be good to work on come spring, cant wait.





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