I have a question about scentloc clothing. For those that use scentloc. Will it still work if when layering you cover it with say wool jacket and paints. Not trying to start a nasty debate. Just wondering out loud. Your thoughts ?? Thanks

And there’s the problem , you asked for thoughts

If you really want to controll your scent, you have to have everything, I mean everything sanitized and completely scent free and kept that way, the whole time, in your house, you truck, the woods, and your stand. How are you going to do that when there are so many odors in a house and an automobile. All your gear has to be in a sealed container then you change your clothes at the truck, boots and all, spray yourself down etc. Even then, a deer's sense of smell is way better than a human. How do you know what it is smelling or not. Youre better off just keeping you and your stuff as clean as you can, maybe use a little doe P, and a wind checker, and hunt upwind. You can drive yourself crazy trying to be "scent free" and still come home emptyhanded. Scentlock clothing is just another gimmick or gadget to get your money out of your pocket. Personal hygene and woodsmanship will get you just as far.

I've been busted alot of times with it on. Do you want to buy some? I'll sell it cheap.

Ny Yankee has it right. Best to use the wind in you favor. If I use anything it's coon scent sprayed on trees around me seems they like the smell.

To answer your question. Yes . In theory it removes the human odor so next to your skin as a base layer is fine.

I think you can find evidence of it "maybe" helping, and many cases where it seemed pretty much worthless. Find a neighbor with a good beagle and see if it can find you hidden in your "scentless" place. Likely the dog will find you in no-time. But hey, if you buy it and it works for you, well then it worked eh? It's mainly what you want to believe.

Not meaning to get off in the weeds but that reminds me of something that absolutely doesn't work for me, anyway and that's the synthetic doe scents currently being sold in my state, to replace the real doe pee, because it has been outlawed for a few years now, due to CWD.

I tried it, just putting a little on the ground in the area around my stand, and whenever I did, the deer that came in would get very nervous and leave. I will never use it again.

Doesn’t work. You might have know I had the nerve to tell the truth about it and not waffle

To answer your question, wool tends to not retain odors, but if worn as the outer layer, whatever scent is on the wool will be blowing in the wind so to speak, and deposited on branches and other brush you may rub into.

But, I agree with most of the others who already pointed out that scent lock doesn't work.

Might also look at it from an ethical perspective. If it or any other product actually did totally eliminate human scent, would it still be fair chase?

I posted this before, but it is a good read. I take it most bowhunters know who Leonard Lee Rue III is:

The sense of smell among members of the deer family is legendary. In fact, it’s hard for humans to grasp. But recent research into the sense of smell of elk and whitetails finally puts some numbers to it.

How far can a deer smell? They Can Smell You from a Half-Mile away. Researchers at Mississippi State University found that a deer’s sense of smell, like a dog’s, can be anywhere from 500 to 1,000 times more acute than a human’s. Furthermore, scientists say that whitetails have thousands of sensitive receptors in their nostrils, which they use to sort out up to six smells at one time.

For more than 50 years Leonard Lee Rue III has observed, researched, photographed and written about deer. He has done more to educate the American public and hunters on the ways of the whitetail than anyone.

How do you defeat the whitetail’s awesome nose? YOU CAN'T. You can only stay in the game by playing the wind and practicing good scent control on every hunt. You ought to spend as much time as possible on your hunting property year-round, working on the habitat, scouting and hunting. Every day you’re out there, monitor the wind directions at morning, midday and afternoon. Mark the currents on a map or in a journal. Over time you’ll see the common winds that accompany various weather patterns at different times of the year. That is vitally important info because the majority of the trees you pick for stands will be based on the prevailing winds in your area.

Most hunters focus on where deer will come in on the upwind side of stands. That is surely important, but it is not enough. When picking a tree, you need to determine where to put your wind, and hence your scent, so you’ll alert as few deer as possible. If a mature buck circles in somewhere downwind of your stand and smells you, he might just melt away into the brush. But an ornery old doe might stand out there and blow like crazy, alerting every deer within a half-mile that she smells a rat. Either way your hunt is probably ruined.

Always try to set up and float your wind over an area that’s not going to see a lot of deer traffic. For example, let your wind scent drift away from your stand and out into a pasture field, or maybe out over a deep creek that deer probably aren’t going to cross. I sometimes set a stand slightly upwind of a steep hill or bluff that deer won’t or can’t walk up on the downwind side.

Determining the best wind for a stand definitely involves trial and error. You might look at a map or aerial and say, “Okay, a southeast wind will work best there.” But until you go in and sit the stand several times, you don’t really know if a southeast is best or even adequate. You have to study the unique topography of an area because ridges, bluffs, draws and other terrain features can dramatically affect wind direction. You also need to observe the overall deer movement throughout an area as it relates to various common winds.

Most hunters concentrate on wind direction, but they often neglect wind speed. Big mistake. I have treestands on the tops of ridges that are perfect for high-pressure mornings with little wind. I also have sets in draws and hollows that are just right for strong northwest winds that kick up after a front blows through. I’ve got a great stand on the edge of a small food plot down in a bottom where, if the wind is above 5 mph or so and stays that way throughout the afternoon, I’m OK. But if I try to hunt that stand on a dead-calm evening when the wind drops to nil at dusk, the cool thermals start shifting and falling, spreading my scent all over the bottom and messing me up big time. You’ve got to keep all that in mind to beat a buck’s super sniffer.

Fortunately, we know a lot more than ever about how deer smell. Let’s take a look at four things that give members of the deer family their amazing ability to smell what’s around them. Members of the deer family and predators need their sense of smell to survive, so they are equipped with far more olfactory receptors than those animals that do not rely on their sense of smell. The long snout creates more room for special nerve cells that receive and interpret smells. It’s estimated that humans have about 5 million of these olfactory receptors, while members of the deer family, including elk and moose, have about 300 million. Bloodhounds have about 220 million.

The Specialized Brain

The area of the brain dedicated to interpreting scent is larger in deer than in humans. The drawing of air across all those receptors in the snout sends signals to the primary olfactory cortex, which is in the temporal lobe of the brain.

Because this part of the brain is larger in animals that use their nose for survival, this creates an ability to interpret the smells that’s added to their ability to pick up all those smells with those 300-million receptors. This would suggest that using a cover scent of any kind would be futile, because a deer can simply sort the smells out.

A hunter using deer urine to cover his scent smells like a hunter and deer urine to a deer, not just one or the other. While cover scents have little effectiveness, the ability to reduce (not necessarily eliminate) human scent with antibacterial soaps, detergents and sprays, anti-microbial Scent Killer, and carbon is proven science. The science of the deer’s smell would suggest that reducing human odor is worth the trouble, attempting to cover it up is not.

Smelling in Stereo

Members of the deer family also have broader lateral nostrils which allow them to detect smells directionally. Moose have the most pronounced application of this. This allows the animals to determine the direction of the source of the smell more readily. This is called “stereo olfaction,” and it allows members of the deer family to more quickly determine the source of danger.

You may have noticed a deer raise its head as it is smelling the air. The deer is flaring its nostrils while drawing air across the olfactory receptors in its snout. The animal can quickly determine what it’s smelling and the direction it’s coming from.

They Live by Their Nose

The fourth thing that helps members of the deer family survive is simply an increased awareness of the smells around them. We humans might not pay much attention to the scents coming in through our nose until it overpowers our other senses. We don’t think about smells much; until someone hands you a child with a dirty diaper, or you walk into a restaurant where they are frying bacon.

Contrast that to the life of a deer, which is focused on the smells coming through the nose 24-7. The other four senses take a back seat to the importance of smell in their everyday lives. We humans can increase our awareness of the smells around us just by paying attention to them. Have you ever smelled a rutted up buck before you saw him? How about a herd of elk? Using our ability to smell what’s around us is a skill that can be developed. After all, we are predators at heart.

Yes it does work but that is just a part of the process I use. Like most years I have had

many a deer downwind of me from 50 yards to 5 yards and never need to worry.

Nemo an NY x2. I have smelled Deer sometimes before I saw them. First time I ever had it happen I thought. Wow! I smell deer. Then sure enough there he walked in front of me. JF

And George. JF

Wasn’t there a big class action suit which that company lost because it was proven in court that it doesn’t do what they claim that it does?

I will admit that I own a couple of items which have that sort of technology in them, but I bought them for other reasons… That was just sort of an extra. Didn’t cost me anymore because I was buying stuff that was on close-out anyway. Pair of gloves, Predator Fall Gray hoodie. That kind of thing.

I guess I would go so far as to say that it probably can’t hurt anything, but I wouldn’t rush out and buy it. Wear it if you’ve got it, and yes, probably is close to your skin as makes sense because whatever smell it does capture it stands to reason it would capture more if you wear it close to your body.

Yes, I think I heard there was a few years ago Corax. JF

Yes you can smell deer. The more scrapes in the area the stronger they smell..cut the glands off a dead deer put them in a plastic bag and freeze them next time out hang them one a branch near you great cover scent and lure.

Put your scent lock on, stick a couple of pieces of bacon in your pocket, git a 5 minute head start on your hunting dog, and hide behind a tree. Let us know if he bothers to head in your general direction. Lol.

Hunt downwind.

Thanks Frank,,that's a good read.,. also thanks for using paragraphs:)

Having spent a lot of time in the woods with hunting dogs

Iv'e always said

you can relate to their sense of smell ,about as good as they can to you doing calculus

The dog argument is not really valid in this case. When a dog gets a whiff of something it searches it out and follows it as it gets stronger. A deer on the other hand smells something and either runs away or decides it is not a danger and goes about it’s business. Scentlok was shown in court to be 96-98% effective in controlling odors notice on their website how they still advertise it as such? Anyway the point is not 100% scent elimination it is to tone it down enough for the deer to not feel in danger by the low amount of scent. If you decide to use Scentlok you must have everything gloves, hat, face mask, included. I just bought a whole suit and everything else to try out. If I get busted then I still have hunting clothes that I bought everything at a big discount so no harm done. As to the question above you must wear the Scentlok as the outer layer but non Scentlok is fine underneath.

It cracks me up every time someone says just hunt the wind. So you guys are telling me you never went out hunting and the wind started to swirl in every direction or the wind speed picked up and it blew in 3 different directions? Are you also telling me a deer has never come from a direction you didn’t plan on? If Scentlok does in fact work when used correctly then it is a game changer for hunting hills with bowls and thermal hubs. My best spot for deer activity is a bowl in the valley of a mountain but it is a pain to hunt. I had a buck come in and was feeding for a couple minutes then the wind swirled and the buck took off. Sorry but in certain situations you can’t play the wind.

Spike. Playing the wind is hunting. Nope. It doesn't always work. In fact, I'd say it doesn't work as often as it does. It sort of equals the odds between the hunter and the hunted. The hunter does the best he can using his brain and wood smarts. Sent eliminating clothing, if they truly worked, would tip the odds greatly in the hunter's favor. Not much satisfaction if fair chase is eliminated from the equation.

I do believe in hunting the wind as much as possible. I also believe in controlling my scent as much as possible. I want a chance at that buck that comes from the wrong way. I’m not trying to eliminate my scent completely but I do want to gain myself a few seconds of confusion by the deer. Sometimes it even works out and a deer has no idea I am there until it’s too late. This past Saturday I did have 2 separate bucks approach without knowing I was there. Both were within 15 feet of my stand. Both walked completely past my stand so they were both upwind and downwind within minutes with a steady breeze. I’m not sure which one worked better, hunting the wind or being as scent free as possible. Killing deer consistently is not an easy task and it takes every trick you can muster to kill a mature buck consistently.

You will get away with more on a chilli morning when the sun rises and starts to warm, alot of scent will rise. Another thought is your breath. It Gives of alot of odor. Every breath you exhale gives off order.for the wind swirling maybe once every 20 hunts. I live in flat land country and a ssw breeze is the norm. Time it comes from the wnw I'm done and in a duck blind.

couple facts.....

1st... Just because you have had deer downwind of you and they didn't wind you does NOT mean your scent was covered. While i agree you can take certain measures to reduce your scent, you cannot totally eliminate it.

scent flows like water, around objects ect...it does not go through objects but around them, is also caught by thermals, breezes etc... this creates eddies, and currents of scent.

put dye in a flowing stream, and although the current is going down stream, the dye will follow the current but not show up in the whole stream, or at least not for a while. The susquehanna river is a perfect example where the north and west branches meet. For quite a way downriver there is a definite coloration line separating the two until it finally blends.

A deer downwind of you that doesn't spook, is more than likely simply because your scent was not carried to it for one reason or another.

Scent and how it works is probably one of the most misunderstood, and underrated aspects of hunting.

Airborne scent, that you constantly throw off, is different than the scent you leave on the ground or vegetation as you brush against it etc...

Hot scent, cold scent, humidity, and dry conditions, all play a role in scenting conditions.

And something else nobody ever considers, is the fact that not everyone throws off the same scent, or the same volume...Lets face it, some of us just stink more, and your dog can distinguish your scent from a strangers.

And you don't "water" down your scent, your just throwing off less scent molecules, but the ones you are throwing off are just as hot.

Minimizing your scent, and dry conditions, might make it a bit harder for deer to smell, keep in mind a deer does not have to get a full blown stinky whiff of you to spook, he just needs to get a whiff.

Just like you don't need a full blast of onion, to know its an onion your smelling.

Trapping, and training hounds, taught me more about scent and how animals react to it, far, far more than deer hunting.

Scent may to be able to prove 96-98% effectiveness but that's in a controlled setting. I own some that I got for a good price. I actually like the coveralls. But I don't believe that in the real world, with average hunters, not lab technicians, it works all that well. There are so many ways for scent to leave a person that it's impossible to stop all of it. And, as mentioned above, it doesn't take much for a deer to pick it up.

Drug sniffing dogs finid the dope in sealed containers hidden in the gas tank of a car etc

good luck fooling the nose

saw a thing of elephants tracking poachers--- traveling at 20 mph smelling them miles away

went right to them

The new owner has expanded this business quite a bit. Scent Blocker is also owned by Scentlock.

I hunt the wind the best I can based on which way it is blowing when I go out and I hope the deer have colds and their heads are stuffed up and can't smell.

Don’t think it works. That’s why I hunt with the wind in my favor.

I have had deer all around me so many times to be just a coincidence .\

Anybody have any more popcorn? Pass it over eh?

People have been killing deer with a bow and arrow for a lot longer than scent blocker locker or whatever it wants to be has been around.

If used with the ozonics it works

I just try my best not to stink. I haven’t ever used scent blocker but hanging my clothes outside to air out and not wearing them into the Mexican restaurant after an afternoon hunt works well for me.

Debate free, so sure, wear sent lock and you become invisible to deer.

"LOL"

I will resurrect this thread about a year from now with my Scentlok results. Whether it works or not I bought it all on sale mostly 50% off so no big deal either way but I intend to follow the scent control regimen to the T to see if it works.

Spike, I predict that if you are careful about scent control and watch the wind the camo pattern off the Scentlok will help you. And the ability of it to block any scent, even a little scent, will be a bonus. That’s what I do if I wear mine.

Good luck. Will wait to hear next year.

Phil their are things some people don’t think of when they wear it and get busted then say the suit doesn’t work. A few examples are not wearing the hat with the face mask, not washing their back pack, and the one I’m concerned about making the LW climber seat scent free.

You know its hard to argue against trying to be as scent free as possible i mean why would ya?...whether it works or not there is one simple truth...it can't hurt.

that being said, couple times this year i was out hunting and thought..."i smell woodsmoke"...how could that be i'm in the middle of nowhere!

then i realized it was me...my hunting clothes had a slight smell of woodsmoke.

3 tags filled so far, guess it worked out.

Shade smoking clothes might be my next venture if the Scentlok doesn’t work lol.

How did our traditional heros back in the day spend several weeks at a time in the woods in the same old clothes, camping, eating, smoking, farting, fishing, gutting and packing critters all stank nasty... still kill big game? It's mind boggling.

yea i dunno Jeff, i've spent quite a bit of time at deercamp, and crouched over a campfire, over the years.

Camp was never a vacation resort, with electric and plumbing, and knotty pine and carpet.

It was a crusty old boars nest, with no indoor plumbing, no electric, and heated with wood.

being scent free, was kinda hard, fact is, probably didn't think about it much.

But somehow i always killed deer....musta just been the dumb ones.

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