I have been learning about carbons. The longbow is reflex deflex. The weight is 30# @ 28 and my dl is 28.I got 600 to fly true with standard insert and 175 field point. When I bare shafted they were nock right.I don't have a gold tip 700 to bare shaft. What would be your advise leave well enough alone or order in some test shafts in gold tip 700 (5.4)?

heavier point to see if corrects it before ordering 700's

If right handed try a heavier point like 300 grains to verify before doing anything drastic. If your bow is not cut to center you need a lighter spine. I can shoot 700's with 30 pounds & still need weight up front. >>>----> Ken

Since your are shooting 175gr points already. The next step up is 200gr field points then 225gr. Lancaster Archery has them and 3 Rivers more than likely will also. One of those 2 point weights I would think would work for you depending on how much nock right you are showing. Then next time you buy shafts go with the 700's. DANNY

You'll likely drive yourself nuts trying to bareshaft without knowing what spine parameter you should be starting with. A 700 is likely too stiff for a 30# @ 28" arrow. When you don't understand spine, you will struggle mightily. You're closer to 800 spine than you are 600 or 700.

I agree with George. Even if you do get the 600s to fly OK with a lot of weight up front, the arrows will be so heavy that trajectory will be very poor.

Do you plan to hunt with bare shafts? If not I would tune with my fletched hunting arrow. I would paper tune the fletched arrow, shoot it close, and then far. Then I would tune it to middle range.

Guys -

A 30# RECURVE drawn 28/29" with a 29" arrow and nominal point weight calls for a 900. A 30# LB, that's not close to center, might be closer to 1400.

175 to 300 grains up front from a 30# LB is going to make for a very slow arrow.

Viper out.

Well according to Gt 600 spine is right where they say. I got them to fly true. For now I will fletch 3 up with 5" feathers and shoot with them for a while and work on form. I know archers at my club shoot 700 spine GT and will ask to shoot a couple of arrows to try out. I do believe that's the best for now. I did notice that at 20 yards they were a lot flatter shooting than I'm use too! Right now I do not plan to hunt with this longbow. I have the same model on order in 40# and that would be the one I would hunt with. This one is for shooting year around and maybe small game, roving.

A .600 spine carbon is the equivalent of a 52lb. spine wood arrow.

No question you are waaaayyy over spined.

800 full lenth with whatever weight head works.

Try a longer 700 shaft like the Easton Carbon Legacy from 3Rivers. I shoot them using 125 grand down to 80 gr from my 30# and they shoot great. The longer shaft also helps in aiming. Do not cut them off!

300 grains was not to produce the correct or best arrow but to prove the spine was too stiff. I always check my thoughts with light or heavy heads to see if it gives better or worse flight. Then do something drastic like cut the shafts off or buy new arrows.

And there it is, "the not going to hunt with bare shafts" comment again. We just discussed that a while back. >>>>-----> Ken

I'm shooting 28", 600's in a Warrior Shaft out of my bows from 45# down to 24# with 75gr, 100gr, and 125gr tips. They fly well on all counts and hit on target when I do my part. The lighter the bow the lighter the tip I use. It seems backwards but it works perfect for me.

George X2

X3

You never stated what arrow length you are using ? 1" can put you in a different spine class.

“The lighter the bow the lighter the tip I use. It seems backwards but it works perfect for me.”

It IS backwards. Probably helps your trajectory, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually working…

Dale,

You could consider trying a different tuning technique and compare the results. Bare shaft tuning is certainly a valid approach. But I’ve seen some folks chase the tail end of their bare shafts and not get ‘good’ results. Jim Fetrow, RIP, and other patron saints like George Stout have discussed ‘shooting the line’ many times on this site.

Basically, hang a rope or otherwise place a vertical line on your target. Back up 20 yards and shoot at the line with fletched arrows. Look at the group, and estimate the center of the group. If the center in on the ‘line’, you’re probably good to go. If the center is left of the line, and you are a right handed shooter, your arrows are showing ‘stiff’. If to the right, then weak. Lefties are just the opposite.

If you’re up to it, 30 yards can be even better.

If my groups are ‘on the line’, my broadheads and field tips always group together.

Good luck getting to know carbons!

Take it one step further….

Shoot both bare and fletched at that line; you are Tuned when both group on the line out as far as you can shoot a recognizable group.

If your groups aren’t real tight, you can at least mark the holes in the paper from either the fletched or the bare shafts…. If you’re right-handed and bare shafts generally hit right of fletched, then you’re a bit weak.

You can also just keep backing up until something unexpected happens. Most of my arrows will fly straight down the middle (bare) to 50-60 yards…..

Arrow length 29" bop.

And FWIW…. If Viper told me I needed 1400s, I would order 1400s. And whatever weight point he recommends for that.

Try raising the brace hieght. See what the bare shaft does.

Brace height isn’t gonna help… Maybe if you’re off by 1/6 or 1/8 of a spine bracket…..but not being off by 6 or 8.

depending on how far right the arrows are, but if not by much, at 30 lbs, you won't be hunting with them so penetration isn't a problem, I would fletch them up and start shooting

I got some 50 gr and 100 gr inserts. I will try them tomorrow. Just for kicks I put in a 200gr fp. Now I can play with point weight. Always wondered how everyone got heavier foc. This has truly been a learning experience. I got some cross X shafts in 4.91100 and 4.7 1300 they showed weak and would be a target arrow. I really would like a field arrow. I may order a couple of 700,5.3 in ultra light but for now I will continue to learn.

Both inserts worked. I went with the 50 gr. The arrow flies true and if I do my part the arrows hit where they are suppose to. I made the rest of the shafts up. Now I can work on my form. Thanks for all the help,insight.

So what total tip wt and total arrow wt.?

Here are the spec. Gold tip 600 [5.9gpi] 29.5 to bop. insert .50gr with fp 145 for 195gr up front. Bow 30# @ 28 arrow weight 395gr my math is 13.16 gpi

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