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serving with monofilament

Messages posted to thread:
shade mt 24-Nov-22
Bernie P. 24-Nov-22
hawkeye in PA 24-Nov-22
Wayne Hess 24-Nov-22
Chairman 24-Nov-22
George D. Stout 24-Nov-22
reb 24-Nov-22
Bigdog 21 24-Nov-22
shade mt 24-Nov-22
Eric Krewson 24-Nov-22
Lenny 24-Nov-22
Viper 24-Nov-22
PECO2 24-Nov-22
fdp 24-Nov-22
Babysaph 24-Nov-22
M60gunner 24-Nov-22
Longcruise 24-Nov-22
Tim Finley 24-Nov-22
dnovo 24-Nov-22
Lenny 24-Nov-22
Bigdog 21 24-Nov-22
George D. Stout 24-Nov-22
Mortis Sagittas 24-Nov-22
Live2Hunt 24-Nov-22
Gary Savaloja 24-Nov-22
Gary Savaloja 24-Nov-22
Viper 24-Nov-22
Bigdog 21 24-Nov-22
Dan Jones 24-Nov-22
felipe 24-Nov-22
YamahaYG68 24-Nov-22
David McLendon 24-Nov-22
Droptine 24-Nov-22
shade mt 25-Nov-22
felipe 25-Nov-22
Pauljr 25-Nov-22
Bassmaster 25-Nov-22
From: shade mt
Date: 24-Nov-22




Anyone here serve their strings with monofilament?

I'm thinking of trying it.

anything special i need to know?

From: Bernie P. Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Nov-22




The word boing comes to mind.

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 24-Nov-22




My problem with monofilament is if it becomes unraveled in the field it will run to the nocking point and is very hard to hand serve. Where a thread style serving can be rewrapped by hand and tied off.

From: Wayne Hess
Date: 24-Nov-22




I have 6 Strings made by Leon Stewart, served with mono, and many years old too. Haven’t had one come apart. And slick on release too.

From: Chairman
Date: 24-Nov-22




I use mono from time to time, it is slick. The only advice is give it a couple more wraps at each end where you tie off to keep it secure. Lots here will bag on it but thousands have used it with complete satisfaction over the years. But what do I know I still use nylon serving also.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 24-Nov-22




They work fine until they don't. When they break, they become a slinky and unravel into a loose pipe on the string, and if it happens in the field, you basically need to serve the whole string center section again. It's awful to try to tie off by hand as well.

Usually, most damage to them is caused by ill-fitting nocks that over time can abrade and damage it, a little care along the way can help defray that. I've had several of them come unraveled over the years, and it pretty much renders them useless until you re-do them. I just stopped using them since they didn't really offer anything that nylon serving doesn't, and the #4 nylon is so much user-friendly. :)

From: reb
Date: 24-Nov-22




I have used it and never had a problem.

From: Bigdog 21
Date: 24-Nov-22




Yes it's fine, string makers use to give you the choice of mono. Are nylon. Today braid is just a better choice.

From: shade mt
Date: 24-Nov-22




I absolutely agree braid is better, i also understand about it unraveling. Years ago strings were served with mono more, and i remember how they came apart.

However...being an avid fisherman, i always have a lot of it, and thought maybe id try it when i re-spool rather than throw it out.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 24-Nov-22




I used mono for years; it was superior to the braided serving available at the same time for making a smooth release.

I shot A LOT, I was obsessed with shooting, and shot a local tournament every weekend. The problem I had was breakage with the entire serving unraveling, often in the middle of a tournament.

The more I shot, the more my serving would fail on me, I finally ditched it for zebra fast flight serving which never wears or breaks. With a little paraffin rubbed into the fast flight serving it releases as cleanly as mono.

From: Lenny
Date: 24-Nov-22




I been using 019 monofilament fishing line for years never had a problem with it!

From: Viper
Date: 24-Nov-22




shade -

As was stated, it was pretty common 40+ years ago, and was fine until it failed, and the whole serving came loose.

What wasn't mentioned was that it really offered no legit advantage over anything else, except for some of the color options. In fact, people believing that one serving material (of the correct diameter) has any advantage over another is actually pretty funny, or sad ...

Viper out.

From: PECO2
Date: 24-Nov-22




"I been using 019 monofilament fishing line for years never had a problem with it!" That was my question, are you guys talking about fishing line, what #, what brand, because all mono fishing line is not created equal.

From: fdp
Date: 24-Nov-22




Peco2 the breaking strength per diameter varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. Think about you 4x tippet. materia. Different breaking strengths from different manufacturers.

I typically keep a spool of clear Berkley Big Game on hand.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 24-Nov-22




I just use regular serving cuz it works and if it ain’t broke

From: M60gunner
Date: 24-Nov-22




I remember using mono years ago. Also used the metal nocking points. The two didn’t play well together especially if you tried changing nock point height. Seems like every time I tried I ended up with a slinky serving. One reason I own a serving tool and special pliers for removing the metal nock points. But , being older and wiser about such things I might just give mono a try next time. Can’t deny the slicker release.

From: Longcruise
Date: 24-Nov-22




I tried some mono long ago. It was ok. None ever broke but I could easily see what would happen if it did. I don’t leave home with a bow without a spare broken in string so a broken string wouldn't be an issue for me.

These days not even my fishing reels have mono on them.

From: Tim Finley Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Nov-22




I hated the stuff every string I had with mono the mono broke and phttt it was gone to the nock pt. I dont think it will work on ff you need a braided serving to keep the nock or serving from moving. .

From: dnovo Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 24-Nov-22




It's been several decades since I had a string with mono on it. Never cared for it myself. At quite a few 3D shoots years ago it seemed like I was always tying a mono serving off for somebody in the middle of the shoot. It would break on some guy who didn't know how to tie or wrap a serving so I would rewrap it enough for them to finish shooting. I much prefer the braided now.

From: Lenny
Date: 24-Nov-22




I use stren catfish mono fl.orange 019 .

From: Bigdog 21
Date: 24-Nov-22




Biggest problem I ever seen with mono. Was crimp on nocks. And not selecting correct size nock. And cutting it because it was crimped to Tite.. Now if you are one that likes to tie on adjustable nock then mono. with nylon work excellent together. Mono is said to give a better release as it is slicker. And slides of the glove are tan better. I personally for me fined braid a little more durable.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 24-Nov-22




People will figure it out, sometimes you just have to find out for yourself when you doubt others. Enjoy. :)

From: Mortis Sagittas
Date: 24-Nov-22




I've been using mono for 2 years. When I started building my own strings I didn't have a serving tool or real serving but I had miles and miles of fishing mono in different sizes.

It works great and I'm too cheap to buy things to fix a problem that's arguably not one.

The only one that's come unwrapped hit the cherry on my cigarette while I was shooting. I pulled it tight and wrapped it with a whip finish and kept shooting. I found it just as easy as when the end of my halo served string broke free.

Another plus, if you have lots of different sizes it is very easy to make strings with perfect nock fit.

I don't feel much if any difference in slickness between the materials but I'm no Brady Ellison either;)

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 24-Nov-22




LOL, yes, as noted it is funny/not funny when it turns into a slinky. Other materials are better.

From: Gary Savaloja
Date: 24-Nov-22




I guess this is what a lot of us do. Myself included at times.

But I have to say I never wasted a minute worrying about monofilament serving. Didn’t even know there was such a thing.

I buy good strings from reputable string builders like Allen Schaffers Ten Ring Strings or SBD or... I put ‘em on, let them stretch if they are going to, set brace height, tie on a nock and forget about it. Maybe check BH once in awhile.

Never broke a string or had a problem with servings, and I have shot hunting bows since early 1970s. But I don’t shoot competitively so maybe if I did I would have known about this.

From: Gary Savaloja
Date: 24-Nov-22




I guess this is what a lot of us do. Myself included at times.

But I have to say I never wasted a minute worrying about monofilament serving. Didn’t even know there was such a thing.

I buy good strings from reputable string builders like Allen Schaffers Ten Ring Strings or SBD or... I put ‘em on, let them stretch if they are going to, set brace height, tie on a nock and forget about it. Maybe check BH once in awhile.

Never broke a string or had a problem with servings, and I have shot hunting bows since early 1970s. But I don’t shoot competitively so maybe if I did I would have known about this.

From: Viper
Date: 24-Nov-22




Guys -

LOL, try using mono with (heat) shrink on nocks ... fun combination.

Sorry, but I'm not buying into the "slick serving" thing. The force of any bow should be able to easily negate any effects of friction.

With all the new and improved serving materials, I'm still using #4/400 nylon and haven't had a durability or friction problem yet.

Viper out.

From: Bigdog 21
Date: 24-Nov-22




Shade that left over mono. Goes to making furled leaders.

From: Dan Jones
Date: 24-Nov-22




I've made center servings of monofilament for both recurves and compound bows for years and I've never had a failure. But I use quality monofilament like Trilene or Stren and not the miserable orange or black Brownell monofilament that archery dealers dumped on the market. I would also avoid the 1000 yard for $1.29 monofilament spools aimed at fishermen.

From: felipe
Date: 24-Nov-22

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Mono is a solid strand of nylon (hence “mono”) where braided line is composed of lots of compressible fibers. I use mono on all my strings and when I replace them (10,000 + shots) it is because the dyneema body is breaking down, not the mono. It is different and may take a knack to apply but comes in some cool colors.

From: YamahaYG68
Date: 24-Nov-22




I remember it very well from the 1970's.

I am not nostalgic about it ;)

I would never go back to using it for the reasons stated in many of the earlier posts.

From: David McLendon
Date: 24-Nov-22




If it's slick serving you're after, then get a spool of Crown.

From: Droptine Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 24-Nov-22




Felipe for the tie on knocks what poundage are you using?

From: shade mt
Date: 25-Nov-22




I went ahead and tried it. Certainly not as nice to work with as braid, but it turned out good.

I coated the whole serving with super glue, used 30# test over 14 strands of b55, nock fit seems good.

shot about 50 arrows after letting the string stretch in for a few hrs.

seemed ok, and yea i'd have to agree, seemed slicker on release.

I tie my own nocks in with dental floss, been doing it for years, i don't use the crimp on metal nocks.

will it unravel before i replace the string?...time will tell i guess.

From: felipe
Date: 25-Nov-22




Droptine; that is a 17# for the tie on, and I think 30# for the serving. This is the first time I to try mono for the tie on, I spun it opposite of the serving. It seems good and tight, we'll see.

For those that worry about serving breaking, they must be using a material that breaks often.

From: Pauljr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 25-Nov-22




I was taught by my mentor to use 14strands of FF plus (8125 now) with 30lb mono. We use B55 for tie on nocks. Works great for us, never had one issue.

From: Bassmaster
Date: 25-Nov-22




If it works for you great. I tie my servings with B55,and people tell all the reasons why I can't after having tied a couple hundred of them with no problems.





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