This is the first chance I had to get a speed test on my new Miller Sage. 66" 48#@27" 570 grain woody 11.8 GPP. average speed 147. I think that is a pretty good speed for a no glass bow. I did not figure out the kinetic energy yet, I believe it will be fine.

Tim Baker had a baseline speed, the draw weight plus 100. You are right there and with almost 12 gpp.

Can you post a picture of that new Miller Sage?

Question, why such a heavy grain weight?

They are nice bows for sure, but I can't abide those hatchet head handles. I think your speed is just fine and I also shoot arrows about that gpp out of my selfbows and laminated longbows.

Just keep in mind momentum is a product of speed.

Too little speed causes a decrease in momentum.

Yep more speed more momentum

Sweet looking bow, I'll take quiet over speed anyway!

This Sage set up is whisper quit without any silencers of any kind!

Outstanding bow!

If it is a really well made bow which it looks to be a 480 gr. arrow with a skinny FF string should get you 10 to 15 fps over the Tim Baker formula which would be my choice for that bow, but what ever works for you.

Very nice and fast natural ASL!you have a perfect set up for for whatever you plan to hunt or shoot at.

Nice looking bow. Good luck with it.

This is such a fun bow to shoot.

I've never chronographed a single bow since 1955. I can easily tell if a bow is shooting "about right" for me and never worry about it.

I like both schools of thought ,, no chronograph works,, I am curious and have learned alot from using it as well,, I just enjoy shooting,, if the bow shoots an arrow through the deer,,,its bout right,, you dont need a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing,,

“ Tim Baker had a baseline speed, the draw weight plus 100. ”

I believe Hill bows provided the same rule of thumb, but that only works if you assume a constant arrow mass of let’s say 500 gr. That would be 150 fps for a 10 GPP arrow from a #50 bow (and I suppose you’d have to likewise assume a specific, standard DL).

Nice

I grew out of the whole speed thing a number of years ago.. (chuckle)..im sure that will stir the pot!!

actually its not true..sort of.

fast bows are nice, better trajectory, momentum etc...

But i really do like a light, well made,smooth drawing ,whisper quiet ASL, with a light soft thump at the shot..(low whistle)..Speed is not why i choose one.

that miller is a nice bow.

Kinetic energy is 27.34ftlbs.

I'm not much on measuring speed but if an arrow affects my gaps then I have a problem. My good friend made me 6 beautiful woodies which all are around 575 grains. When shot out of a 47# bow which usually shoots 465 grain carbons I had to shoot a 25 yard gap at 20 yards, a 30 yard gap at 25 yards, and a 40 yard gap at 30 yards. They probably would work fine as hunting arrows and short range but not for 3-D.

Nothing at all wrong with preferring a fast arrow. I passed up a lot of shots at deer and Elk in the 30-35 range back when I was shooting 2018s. Whitetails, shots rarely need to be long, Mulies & Elk can be a bit more demanding when it comes to reach.

And of course there was that day that I found myself 15 yards from a real wall-hanger of a bull….. without a license in my pocket ’cuz I had filled my cow tag on opening morning. Always the wrong tag in my pocket it seems. SMH

"Yep more speed more momentum"

Given the same arrow weight, yes. Lowering arrow weight for more speed from the same bow, nope.

With all my 50+ years of longbow shooting and hunting. The H. Hill method always worked for me. I don't gap shoot so that isn't an issue, sharp 2 blade broad heads and shooting at practical distances 20-25 yards never failed me. I know the wheely bow, and some others get all worked up over speed. If it isn't broke don't fix it.

An issue with speed is that the faster the arrow upon impact, the more resistance to initial penetration. Some of those light arrow at extreme speed from a wheel bow can't match the penetration of a heavy two blade from a pokey old ASL.

Well I think speed and arrow weight should Meet in the middle. Minimum 500 gr arrow in 45-50 pound bow. A bow capable of shooting that arrow at a speed of 170-180 FPS.. I shot a wildebeest at 20 yds with a Osage selfbow 51 pounds. 570 grain arrow . 13” of Penetration in the shoulder. It got the job done. Probably would have gone thru a whitetail. Now for target shooting a 450 gr arrow thru the same bow would be a good setup. Just an opinion. Arvin

Nice setup I always shoot for 10 gr per pound of bow wt. And sharp 2 blade.

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