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arrowhead2 14-May-22
LIVINtheLIFE 14-May-22
Corax_latrans 14-May-22
arrowhead2 14-May-22
Bernie P. 14-May-22
fdp 14-May-22
George D. Stout 14-May-22
arrowhead2 14-May-22
Corax_latrans 14-May-22
BigJim 14-May-22
Smokey 14-May-22
arrowhead2 14-May-22
George Vernon 14-May-22
arrowhead2 14-May-22
YH2268 14-May-22
George Vernon 14-May-22
2 bears 14-May-22
arrowhead2 14-May-22
bradsmith2010santafe 14-May-22
arrowhead2 14-May-22
fdp 14-May-22
arrowhead2 14-May-22
arrowhead2 14-May-22
George Vernon 14-May-22
Therifleman 14-May-22
Corax_latrans 14-May-22
arrowhead2 15-May-22
tradmt 15-May-22
Bassmaster 15-May-22
Corax_latrans 15-May-22
From: arrowhead2
Date: 14-May-22




Is a 354 grain arrow to light for a 43 pound @ 29 inch draw recurve

From: LIVINtheLIFE
Date: 14-May-22




In my experience(which is limited albeit) it would be too light for any big game hunting for sure. Most people i found shoot for minimum 9gpp with hunting. But if it shoots good with that setup it could be beneficial for target or small game.

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 14-May-22




No problem for general shooting purposes.

You can hunt deer with that IF you use a good COC head with a well-tuned set up behind it. Most would specify a moderate-width 2-blade. And it will help to stay with closer to broadside shot angles from not too far away. And shoot good.

If that’s a light, carbon shaft with some weight up front and modest fletching size, so much the better.

From: arrowhead2
Date: 14-May-22




This is the only arrow that will tune off of this bow

From: Bernie P. Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-May-22




"This is the only arrow that will tune off of this bow" That cant be.You have many good wood species to choose from along with aluminum and even a few carbon shafts with decent weight.That along with many point weights/adapters etc.You can easily bring the weight up for hunting arrows.

From: fdp
Date: 14-May-22




No....its perfectly fine.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 14-May-22




Yep, it's good to go and will work fine for deer also if that's what you will use it for. Simply get the best arrow flight from it, and use a sharp broadhead....just like you would do with any weight bow and any weight arrow. That's over 8 gpp and within range for weight/spine for a hunting arrow.

You can get heavier arrows to spine for you, like a 30" 1916 aluminum with a 125/145 gran heads, but use what is working. Perfect flight trumps mass weight.

From: arrowhead2
Date: 14-May-22




Thank you

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 14-May-22




“That's over 8 gpp and within range for weight/spine for a hunting arrow.”

I do like the trajectory I get in the 8-8.5 range, given my shorter power stroke.

And if memory serves, therifleman has killed some whopper deer with an arrow in that weight class.

From: BigJim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-May-22
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It's a little light for stumps, but will work fine on deer and bears..

I am dead certain that it isn't the only arrow that will tune off that bow ... that is if you want to do something else.

BigJim

From: Smokey
Date: 14-May-22




What arrow brand,length and point weight are you using to get 354 total grains?

From: arrowhead2
Date: 14-May-22




600 spine 29 3/4 inch arrow 245 up front

From: George Vernon Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-May-22




Arrowhead2,

What brand/model shaft are you using? Reason I ask is most 600 spine carbons I’ve worked with weigh 7.0- 7.9 grains per inch. For a 29.75” arrow, the shafts I’m familiar with would weigh in 208-235 grains. With 245 grains up front, just the shaft and your up front weight would weigh 453-480 grains. Nock and fletch would add 15 grains or so. Net I’m just curious about how you get a total arrow weight of 354 grains since your shaft with fletch and nock weigh 109 grains (354-245), or 3.67 grains per inch

From: arrowhead2
Date: 14-May-22




Gold tip pro

From: YH2268 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-May-22




Should be good. I shoot aluminum 1913's with 100 gr pts, 28 1/2", a little heavier at 370 to 375 grs out of bows 42 to 44 lbs with good results.

From: George Vernon Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-May-22




Arrowhead2,

I went to the site for Lancaster and found a Gold Tip Ultralight Pro shaft with the lightest gpi for all the Gold Tip shafts they carry.. Is this the one? Lancaster says it weighs 5.9 gpi, which gives about 175 grains for a 29.75” shaft. If I add 245 grains for your ‘up front weight’, I get 420 grains total shaft weight not counting nock and fletching. So this must not be the shaft. I’m sure I’m missing something because using your specs with all the Gold Tip weights I can find for a 600 spine arrow, they all come out over 400 grains. I cannot find any Gold Tip shaft with ‘Pro’ in the name that weighs less than 4 gpi which is the shaft weight needed to get to your 354 total arrow weight.

From: 2 bears
Date: 14-May-22




George is right your arrow is much heavier than that. Even if your arrow was that light with that much weight up front It should be fine. Most would consider 354 to be border line though. Let's recalculate. >>>----> Ken

From: arrowhead2
Date: 14-May-22




Ok thanks. My grain scale must be off. I'm ordering gold tip 600 blemish arrows today. I only had one arrow to test eith and it shot a perfect bullet hole through paper and Flys like a dart

From: bradsmith2010santafe
Date: 14-May-22




no

From: arrowhead2
Date: 14-May-22




Why no

From: fdp
Date: 14-May-22




He means no it's not too light.

From: arrowhead2
Date: 14-May-22




Perfect. Thanks bud

From: arrowhead2
Date: 14-May-22




the arrow that i have is a gold tip pro ultra lite 600. if i get the gold tip traditionals 600 spine will that be pretty much the same arrow?

From: George Vernon Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-May-22




Arrowhead2,

They will be the same spine but different weight and maybe different diameter.

Gold tip pro ultra lite 600 is 5.9 grains per inch or 175.5 grains for a 29.75” shaft (not counting tip, insert, nock or fletching weight.

Gold Tip traditional are 7.8 gpi, or 232 grains for your shaft length.

Gold Tip traditional XT is 9.1 gpi or 271 grains for your shaft length.

So depending on the actual model you select, the new shaft could be about 60 to almost 100 grains heavier. I have not kept up with all the GT models. Some are 0.246 I.D., others are 0.204 I.D. Standard inserts are different and weight will vary from 12- 90 grains depending on the specific shaft model.

Net, very different shafts in terms of weight and possibly overall diameter. This will likely change aspects of your set up, and may also cause you to add different size inserts and nocks.

From: Therifleman
Date: 14-May-22




Thanks Corax_Latrans! I have killed some good deer with arrows not much heavier than what the OP is using and out of bows a bit lighter than his at my draw length. I am fanatical about tuning, broadhead sharpness, and shots I take.

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 14-May-22




“I am fanatical about tuning, broadhead sharpness, and shots I take.”

As we all should be!

“They will be the same spine but different weight and maybe different diameter.”

Which will cause them to behave a bit differently… dynamically stiffer.

From: arrowhead2
Date: 15-May-22




thank you all for this information

From: tradmt
Date: 15-May-22




Personally, I prefer a bit heavier, seems I can get a quieter shot with about 10gpp without much meaningful trajectory loss. Penetration would be my next concern but deer at the distances we’re all likely to be shooting, it probably doesn’t matter. I’ve always felt that the using the most efficient broadhead one can use is what really matters most.

From: Bassmaster
Date: 15-May-22




600 spine predator weighs 350 grs. with 100 gr head. 430 gr arrow should be ideal with a 43 lb bow. Your arrow with 245.gr up front should be heavier than that.

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 15-May-22




You’re not wrong, Wayne!

I was just toying around with a bow in the high 20s, and you couldn’t pay me to stand in front of that with a good Broadhead on the arrow!





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