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using peremethrin for ticks

Messages posted to thread:
bowdude 12-May-22
Bodark 12-May-22
Jeff Durnell 12-May-22
Yellah Nocks 12-May-22
Jim 12-May-22
Andy Man 12-May-22
Supernaut 12-May-22
Supernaut 12-May-22
msinc 12-May-22
soldier 12-May-22
Linecutter 12-May-22
crazyjjk 12-May-22
Rik Davis 12-May-22
Nemophilist 13-May-22
DanaC 13-May-22
Katman 13-May-22
mamba-ny 13-May-22
DanaC 13-May-22
kaw369 13-May-22
sammyg 13-May-22
Stealth2 13-May-22
Ben 13-May-22
George D. Stout 13-May-22
fdp 13-May-22
hawkeye in PA 13-May-22
Kisatchie 13-May-22
wooddamon1 13-May-22
AKROGBO 13-May-22
kaw369 14-May-22
fdp 14-May-22
pondscum2 16-May-22
Tomas 17-May-22
Tedd 17-May-22
Ironfist 18-May-22
DanaC 18-May-22
DanaC 18-May-22
Red Dogs 18-May-22
From: bowdude
Date: 12-May-22




So after my wife and daughter in law contracted lyme disease last year I've decided that its probably much safer to use permethrin for tick protection at this point. I understand that you put this material on the outside of your garments and let it dry, but do you think there is a risk of the material coming in contact with your skin if you sweat? I used to do a lot of summer scouting and am worried that the chemical will become mobilized if it gets wet? Or am I just overthinking this. Your thoughts would be appreciated. thx. charlie.

From: Bodark Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 12-May-22




I have used it for years i Western Ky and have no problems and no ticks. I use it on my face masks durning Sept when its hot and sweat a lot and also on gloves which are very light.I am sold on it if your inplaces where ticks are thick if still hunting you will see ticks going across your cloths and die. Gary

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 12-May-22




Yes, rehydrating it and then absorbing it through the skin is a concern. I remember a couple of folks saying they got pretty dang sick from it. Whether or how much one is affected would seem to depend on how much was sprayed on the clothes, how much was rehydrated, how much came in direct contact with the skin, for how long, etc. It's nasty stuff. Kills those little suckers quick! The instructions say not to put it on your skin for good reason.

If using it in the summer and I know I'll be sweating, I only put it on my boots and loose fitting pants. My t-shirt, hat, and skin gets regular bug spray.

From: Yellah Nocks
Date: 12-May-22




I am going to try Sawyer 20% Picaridin this year. Due to Chemical Sensitivity I need a fragrance free and least toxic alternative to DEET. Permethrins are derived, either naturally or synthetically, from flower sources. I am quite allergic to many flowers, perfumes, and pesticides, all of which are VERY similar chemically. If it works, I will post results.

From: Jim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 12-May-22




I use Sawyers and have had great results. I spray it on all my outer clothes, hats , boots and gloves and let it dry good overnight. It will last for quite a while.

From: Andy Man
Date: 12-May-22




After getting alpha gal

I have been using the heck out of to for the last 5 years

Vet told me they actually put it on their skin in Nam

Think it is sprayed on livestock

From: Supernaut
Date: 12-May-22




I use permethrin spray on my boots and pants below the knees. I've seen ticks fall of dead.

I use a natural tick/mosquito spray my wife buys on the rest of my clothes and exposed skin. It works great for me and isn't hazardous to my health. I ashtrays have a bottle in my truck, fishing vest and day pack.

From: Supernaut
Date: 12-May-22




Always not ashtrays.... auto correct...Duck!!!

From: msinc
Date: 12-May-22




I have used it for years with zero issues....I don't "take a bath in it". I just spray it on pants legs {from my knees down} and boots while I am wearing them. Never worried about letting it dry first. Never really thought about it getting "re-hydrated". I use it all summer and sweat but never really noticed the smell if it does "re-hydrate"....Seems like of it was that touchy they wouldn't sell it. Then again, they sold round-up.....my kids weren't born with three eyes and it works good so, I will keep using it until I hear different.

From: soldier
Date: 12-May-22




Back during the Desert Storm era we use to spray it directly on our clothes and skin. Then in the late 90’s they sprayed our uniforms and let them dry in the sun then we wore them and sweated in them day after day. Never had any issues.

From: Linecutter
Date: 12-May-22




You are not soaking your clothes with it, you are only spraying it on the material like you would OFF on your skin, then letting it dry. It forms a chemical bond to clothing when it drys. You can wash your clothing and still have it work. It works for up to 6 weeks or 6 washings which ever comes first before it loses its effectiveness. DANNY

From: crazyjjk
Date: 12-May-22




If I am not mistaken, permethrin is not absorbed through the skin easily. It has less than a 1% absorption rate. I would worry more about breathing it in or orally ingesting it while spraying it.

From: Rik Davis
Date: 12-May-22




Permethrin is considered safe for mammals. I see no reason for concern. Much better than Lyme, Alpha-Gal, or any of the baddies associated with ticks.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 13-May-22




I've been using permethrin for the last three years and have had no problems, so I see no concern. I also take an apple cider vinegar pill every day. Been tick free since.

From: DanaC
Date: 13-May-22




https://www.cdc.gov/ticks/alpha-gal/index.html

From: Katman
Date: 13-May-22




I have been using it for years. I read that it is not effective when used on skin as it is broken down quickly so we put on on clothing. Buy the concentrate and mix your own. Be sure to get the water based formula and not the petroleum based which smells to much for hunting.

" All exposure scenarios showed that permethrin factory-treated clothing is unlikely to pose any significant immediate or long-term hazard to people wearing the clothing." " Permethrin repellent products used for factory-treatment of clothing or as spray-ons for clothing are not to be applied to certain clothing such as underwear"

Quote is from epa, https://www.epa.gov/insect-repellents/repellent- treated-clothing

From: mamba-ny
Date: 13-May-22




Where light colored clothing,you can see them better.long dark colored hair on pets there tough to see.

From: DanaC
Date: 13-May-22




If you are in the habit of wearing 'liner' socks with outer socks you can treat the outers with no skin contact. I treat pant cuffs heavy, bottom hems and cuffs of shirts, and waistband of pants. Seldom bothered, unless I forget to wear treated clothes!

I also use both DEET and picardin repellent sprays. Sometimes in combination. (Don't like deet on face)

From: kaw369
Date: 13-May-22




I wish Cabela's still sold the bug Skinz. I always had good luck with that suit. Even at times without any chems.

From: sammyg
Date: 13-May-22




I've used it for many, many years on my hunting clothes and have never had an issue. When I know I'm going to be out where I can get them little SOB's on me I'll spray my clothes down with it a few days beforehand. Mostly on the pant legs and around the waist. I'll also spray my socks too, but not the foot part, just from the ankle up. In my experience the stuff works.

From: Stealth2 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 13-May-22




Used it for many years here in NY, never had any problems.

From: Ben
Date: 13-May-22




I've used Sawyers for at least5 years and it is great. Yesterday I went out looking for calves though and had untreated jeans and clothes on and last night I pulled 9 of the buggers off. Going to spray all jeans and shirts today.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 13-May-22




If you spend a lot of time in tick-infested woods, you just have to weigh the odds of which is likely the worst. Some of the issues with tick bites can be very devastating so you need to think it over for sure.

From: fdp
Date: 13-May-22




We keep bulk Permethrin all the time to use on the animals. We mix it according to the ratio's/proportions suggested by the manufacturer for the application we have at the time.

If you are going to use it that would be my suggestion of how to do it, but everybody has different opinions/ideas.

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 13-May-22




I've used a lot of it over the years during employment and at home. I wouldn't treat my skin with but a couple of guys I worked with did.

From: Kisatchie
Date: 13-May-22




I use it and have never felt any effects at all. I’d rather take my chances with permethrin than a disease carrying tick. Permethrin also kills red bugs which if you get a good dose of you’ll wish you were dead lol.

From: wooddamon1 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-May-22




I've used the Sawyer's for a few years now, never had any adverse effects. I'll take my chances with it rather than the crap those bastages carry.

From: AKROGBO
Date: 13-May-22




Does anyone use a full body baselayer. With tight wrist and ankle cuffs would this be effective at keeping them out.

From: kaw369
Date: 14-May-22




Yes! I used to have a Cabela's Bug Skinz suit that worked great. However, it is not available anymore. Surely there is someone who makes something similar. That with Chems was my savior for tic ridden Pa.

From: fdp
Date: 14-May-22




Forloh makes bug skinz type clothing.

From: pondscum2
Date: 16-May-22




never a problem, on my skin or my clothing. used to wear thin sweat pants under camo. pulled socks up over them and coated everything down, then sprayed camo. what few ticks i found were on my head. long hair causes issues if you lean back against tree trunks.

From: Tomas
Date: 17-May-22




Use it according to the directions and you'll be fine. Don't experiment with it!

From: Tedd
Date: 17-May-22




I have been putting Tractor Supply Horse and stable spray on my boots and pants bottoms. Gallon jug comes with a sprayer. Cheap.I think it is the same as the tiny little squirt bottles of Permetherin sold for bug repellant. No smell. Dries fast. I don't get ticks on me. Tedd

From: Ironfist
Date: 18-May-22




We cant purchase permethrin up here in Canada. Any Canadians on here that know of anything as effective.?

From: DanaC
Date: 18-May-22




"We cant purchase permethrin up here in Canada."

https://canadianrockiestrailguide.com/ticks-permethrin-and-canadian-hypocrisy/

From: DanaC
Date: 18-May-22




Picardin-containing sprays are rated to repel ticks.

From: Red Dogs Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-May-22




Most permethrin treatments for clothing use a 0.5% concentration. I believe the leading treatments for head lice (most common in children) use a 1% permethrin concentration. Since it’s approved for children’s heads I’m assuming there’s no issues when used on your clothing. Not sure what the Canuck’s use for lice :)





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