Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


ACS supercurve

Messages posted to thread:
cblasey 29-Apr-22
bowhunt 29-Apr-22
moosehunter 29-Apr-22
Real Buckmaster 30-Apr-22
cblasey 30-Apr-22
Jarhead 30-Apr-22
fdp 30-Apr-22
Bowhuntercoop 01-May-22
Real Buckmaster 01-May-22
Buglmin 01-May-22
Festivus 01-May-22
goldentrout_one 01-May-22
Tomas deGato 01-May-22
elkster 02-May-22
Buglmin 02-May-22
Bivyhunter 02-May-22
limbwalker 02-May-22
cblasey 02-May-22
elkster 03-May-22
Jarhead 03-May-22
cblasey 03-May-22
Tomas deGato 03-May-22
cblasey 25-May-22
brush ape 25-May-22
George D. Stout 25-May-22
2 bears 25-May-22
Beendare 25-May-22
cblasey 26-May-22
elkster 26-May-22
longshot1959 26-May-22
tecum-tha 26-May-22
From: cblasey
Date: 29-Apr-22




Does anyone have first hand experience with the Stalker ACS supercurve limbs? I'm on the fence about trying them out out and would like to hear what others have to say. Do they truly pull harder at the beginning of the draw cycle then "feel" like they don't pull as hard at full draw?

From: bowhunt
Date: 29-Apr-22




All the super curve limbs I have had have alot of preload and tension at brace hieght and are very smooth on the backend of the draw.Where the poundage gain is minimal.

Whether you like alot of preload is another question?

The smoothness toward the end of draw is a nice way to finish the draw for some.

Some may like a more gradual build up of poundage without all the preload.For some it wont matter either way as far as feel of the draw.

I Assume the ACS limb is the same

From: moosehunter Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Apr-22




I am a big fan of ACS and South Cox and would definitely have faith in getting that bow. The ACS long bows are among the fastest bows out there and the same with Stalker bows. I have had years of experience shooting Border Super Curve limbs. The heavier front end weight in the draw cycle is a different draw feeling but that smooth back end draw cycle is truly quite helpful in holding and aiming and achieving full draw under stress. I am currently shooting Morrison Max 6 super curve limbs and they are my preference. Plus you dont pay $80 shipping each way! Border keeps pushing the limit on their limbs in my opinion. They keep getting faster and less durable so limb failure will occur at some point. Although Border limbs are the fastest limbs I’ve ever shot, I’m more interested in “built in the USA” and durability. I would not hesitate to buy other supercurve limbs as I think their the most efficient performing limb design. Best of luck.

From: Real Buckmaster
Date: 30-Apr-22




I have a Stalker with the supercurve limbs coming. One thing I would mention I believe Stalkers carry a lifetime warranty. Who else does that?

From: cblasey
Date: 30-Apr-22




Thanks for the info. I didn't know that there were other companies making supercurves.

From: Jarhead
Date: 30-Apr-22




I received a Wolverine with ACS limbs ... first thing I had to do was put a little super glue in one of the limb tips to close a little gap. Then... I shot it 10 times and noticed a little crack in the finish... so I took a picture of it and kept shooting. 100 shots later... both limbs had significant cracking (finish.) To look at the bow - it was spectacular... no hand shock.

My Wolverine was quick and quiet... chrono'ed good but fell well short of the ACS hype. My Tolke Chinook was faster at 10 gpp… my Jack Kempf was faster at 10 gpp… and it wasn't even close to my Bushmen. But the bow wasn't slow... I just expected so much more from the ACS design. Maybe that was my fault.

After the cracks formed - I mailed the bow back... 5 months later... got a new bow back. Pulled it back and shot it... it came unstrung on the first shot. Slapped my arm good and scared the heck out of me. I strung it back up... while strung and static - looked perfect. But when I slowly pulled back - the top limb would come WAY out of alignment. Contacted the manufacturer and was told "rub it with a rag to warm it and twist it back straight." I declined the offer. Never shot it again. Mailed it back... asked for, and got a full refund.

From: fdp
Date: 30-Apr-22




classy there are lots of companies making super curves. Both custom and factory.

From: Bowhuntercoop
Date: 01-May-22




I have his acs longbow limbs on my latest fxt coyote I ordered and they are barn burners. Pull super smooth as well. Very pleased with them.

From: Real Buckmaster
Date: 01-May-22




Anyone tried the acs super recurve limb

From: Buglmin
Date: 01-May-22




When Mike made the limbs for the Elite Origin, he made them with big hooks, bigger then most recurves. The Origin hooks matched the curves South is making, and the curves on the Bob Lee cobra curve. Compared them to my Border Hex 7.5's, and they don't have the profile of the Borders or the Morrison's. They don't turn back down like the Border's or Morrison's. The limbs aren't as fast as the Border limbs, 11 fps slower then the Borders. But they made me sell my Borders and my Elite Origins. I'm currently shoot the Cobra curves now, smoother then my Border's or the Morrison's. And at 195 fps at 51 pounds with a 463 grain arrow, I'm happy with them.

From: Festivus
Date: 01-May-22




The Elite Origin was the biggest swing and a miss that I have seen in a long time. Incredible looking metal riser, everyone who shot it was just blown away. And of course they pulled a Hoyt and went with "proprietary" limb connection which just meant ILF detents but farther up the limb butt so they couldn't fit ILF risers. I guess some people never learn. Even with their big price tag people loved them and I'm sure they would have sold. Could have been as popular as the Satori. Sorry for the hijack.

Back to the ACS recurve limbs. I was very excited when I first heard of them and was always waiting on people to write their reviews but there isn't many and there is probably a reason. I have heard they are great limbs BUT they are one of the more expensive limbs but it seem that either the overall speed or shooting qualities are not worth it for some.

From: goldentrout_one
Date: 01-May-22




I had the ACS limbs with carbon (maple core) on my Dryad recurve, it was the "Orion" limbs with their proprietary limb connections. I liked the limbs, and based on my careful testing with my LabRadar, it was easily my fastest bow I've ever owned (granted, I've never owned any kind of super-curve to compare it to). The bow seemed very loud to me, but numerous bystanders told me it just sounded like a regular bow - I think the loudness factor may be unique to the ACS (it sounds louder than it really is to the shooter). I think those limbs gained something like 1.5 lb per inch from 28 to 30". Ultimately I sold the bow, it's a long story (broken riser after 18 months, purchased a replacement riser at a discount but I hated that new riser, sold the whole thing, a riser and two sets of limbs at a significant loss, I was glad to see it go). Anyway, I don't know how Stalker's ACS limbs compare to Dryad's ACS, but from my experience with two sets of ACS recurve limbs I am convinced the Dryad hype was real, you can drop about 8 lb of draw compared to a standard recurve with a dacron string (e.g. Howatt Hunter) and maintain the same cast. Personally, I'm going to stick with regular recurve limbs.....although if in my old age I am limited to holding back 40 lb, I might have a change of heart!

From: Tomas deGato
Date: 01-May-22




I've shot the Dryad ACS recurve limbs, Morrison Max 6 limbs and new Bob Lee CobraCurve. Of the three I like the Bob Lee the best and would love to own the new Shikari. I think the Bob Lee is one of. the best all around bows being made today. However, I have not shot anything that compares to the top end Uuhka limbs, if you're willing to go ILF. Lot's of great options out there.

From: elkster
Date: 02-May-22




Festivus,

A review of the limbs is on Tradlab.

From: Buglmin
Date: 02-May-22




Festivus, Elite did their limbs like that because they were in partnership with Mike from Dryad. Mike sent me his acs limbs that was going to be a huge step up in performance over their regular carbon/foam limbs. Believe me, the price didn't justify the performance. The Origin was a great bow, super fast, because of the big hooks, smooth and no vibrants because of the heavy 19" riser. But Elite"s CEO didn't want a recurve on their bowline, and priced the bow over 1100.00 in 2014 when they first came out.

My Bob Lee Shikari is a sweet bow, and I'm tearing arrows up like crazy at 15 and 20 yards with it. It's a big, heavy micarta riser with a big grip. I sent it to Rob to redo the grip for me.

From: Bivyhunter Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-May-22




Hey Jarhead (Allan Jaster), you've completely misrepresented me and have really drawn my ire. I bust my butt 70+ hours a week to produce a product that I am proud of and that helps put food on my family's table. To have you completely mis-quote what I said and then share it one a forum is totally out of line. Look back at the Instagram message I sent you and you'll see that I said nothing of the quote you posted "rub it with a rag to warm it and twist it back straight." Here is EXACTLY what I wrote you:

"Hey Allan, I saw the pictures. Internally within the limb is a cross woven caron that can take a set if the limb is torqued during stringing. If you string the bow and grab the top limb and torque it back in the opposite direction it's pointing it will lie back straight again. That will take care of the problem that you're seeing. When it left the shop here, the limbs were in perfect alignment, but I've seen this happen before and a simple twist of the top limb then will take care of it. Happy to refund though if that is your desire."

Though you didn't follow my directions, I still refunded you the entire purchase price of the bow, which when it came back to my shop shot perfectly.

If you are going to quote someone, ACTUALLY quote them!

Our static recurve limb is faster than our ACS recurve limb, I've never hid/concealed or mislead anyone on that. The benefit that I see in the ACS recurve limb is the force draw curve and the softer feel on the back end.

The ACS limb AMO's at 192 FPS out of a shooting machine, the static recurve on the Wolverine is 195 FPS, again out of a shooting machine.

From: limbwalker
Date: 02-May-22




I'm sorry but you guys sound like a bunch of compound shooters comparing AMO speeds. LOL

I'll stick with my original Adcock pre-ACS takedown thank you very much. It will still smoke and arrow and you don't have to risk an eye every time you string it.

From: cblasey
Date: 02-May-22




What I do know is I purchased a Stalker Coyote used, on this site after talking to South on the phone to make sure I wasn't going to hurt the bow or myself. He was 100% right at the bow pulling 2.5lb's every inch past what the bow was written for ([email protected]" = [email protected]"). I am super happy with it but was just wondering if the feel of the ACS supercurves felt like less weight at the end of the draw. From what I can tell there is less felt weight but the answers are all over the place. I know how these forums usually work, most people without problems don't post and the ones that do, make sure they are heard. I'm really happy with my current bow, just wondering others' opinions of the draw cycle in the original question.

From: elkster
Date: 03-May-22




cblassey,

I have the Dryad acs recurve limbs and there is "less felt weight" and end of draw not just according to me, but a couple others who have shot it. I also have the longbow acs limbs (dryad) made by Stalker and there is no "let - off" at end of draw for comparison.

Hope this helps answer your question.

From: Jarhead
Date: 03-May-22




Most sincerely apology to Stalker Bows for my misquote on how to fix the twisted limb.

From: cblasey
Date: 03-May-22




Thanks Guys, I appreciate the info.

From: Tomas deGato
Date: 03-May-22

Tomas deGato's embedded Photo



I would love to try a new Stalker ACS set up. I had a Stalker ILF wood riser a few years ago, absolutely the best grip I have ever slid my hand into. The new Stalker A&H Riser, has me drooling. Looks like South is doing a similar grip as an option. I've never made a "vision board" like Oprah Winfrey, but I might have to start one with this pic. Sorry to highjack the post. I will go now:)

From: cblasey
Date: 25-May-22




I agree, the grip is just perfect for me. Absolutely repeatable, that one of the best thing I like about my bow.

From: brush ape Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 25-May-22




Has anyone shot limbs from Backwoods composites?

From: George D. Stout
Date: 25-May-22




The search for faster and faster is human nature. It affects some more than others, but to most of us it's simply part of what archery is, and most of us try to find that sweet spot between slow and fast...and there is definitely room between both ends. Fast is not a bad thing if you can control it, and a benefit to fellers shooting with those short-range fixed crawl anchors/holds. I've never shot a super recurve and frankly can't afford one so I 'spect that will remain my experience. For those who can, and it helps, then more power to you.

Over the years I've found "sort of" a bow speed that fits my shooting as far as that mystical instinctive shooting goes, and I also find that to be somewhere in the mid 170's as far as fps goes. Regardless though, it's not always necessary for the game I hunt which is small boned and thin skinned like the whitetail.

From: 2 bears
Date: 25-May-22




The super curve limbs were all the talk for a while. For most they proved to be very finicky, & easy to twist, then durability became suspect. Now they are not talked about so much but there are a lot more brands out there. Do plenty of research on them, if that is what you want. >>>----> Ken

From: Beendare
Date: 25-May-22




I have a set of ACS longbow limbs built before self bought the patent.

They shoot OK so no problem there but they aren’t any faster then any other limb. The hype on this is a little bit overdone. If I was buying a super curve Lim it would be the 1. Borders,2. Morrison’s

From: cblasey
Date: 26-May-22




Thank you George, thank you Ken. Good info right there.

From: elkster
Date: 26-May-22




brush ape,

a friend bought backwoods limbs last week and is pleased with them

regarding quietness and performance

From: longshot1959
Date: 26-May-22




All the "real world" tests and reviews I have seen on SuperCurves have shown very little advantage over more conventional design, so I decided to not bother with them.

From: tecum-tha Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 26-May-22




Had some Borders Hex 7.5, but they were longs and did not open early enough for my short draw. Now have Uukha VX1000 Evo2 and these limbs are great. I am thinking about getting their 48# SX+ to up the poundage. Pulling around 52# the Uukhas shoot a 540 grain arrow ar 180 fps with a 25" draw. And they are really whisper quiet with very small silencers and wool wrap at the string ends. Tradlab shows them to be 10 decibels quieter. That is half as loud. I shoot those on a 13" Dryad Epic riser making a 54" bow. Great handy hunting bow.





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