Just saw these on YouTube and was just wondering if anyone had used them? All the videos are compound guys and was wondering if anyone had used them with a trad bow? Thanks

Annihilator I should say

Never heard of them till now. Interesting design.

Over the years, there have been a lot of BS broadhead designs, many of them have caught on. This appears to be a BS design. I don't believe their basic claims of more passthroughs, and holes that won't close. Though given some of the popular designs in compound archery, it might be true.

It does not look like a broadhead that would penetrate well so I would worry about using it with bows that have significantly lower penetration potential than compounds. Compounds have multiple avenues to exploit that are not exploited commonly with sticks. These include:

1) Hitting the target; 2) perfect arrows flight; 3) perfect arrow flight with a hugely wide range of arrow spines; 4) comparable practice is possible with field points vs broadheads, to a greater degree, allowing one to practice well without using up expensive heads. In fact, compounds allow you to stay in practice without shooting at all; 5) while the advantage is often over-estimated, easier to reach high draw weights due to let-off; 6) Higher velocity potential for 4 times more energy; 7) greater velocity consistency across draw weights.

For trad a look for well proven broadheads that maximize penetration, and that I can afford to buy a minimum of fifty, preferably 100, of. So that I can practice a lot with broadheads, and use the same head over time once I am used to it.

fdp I thought so too, and I shoot 150 grain heads and they make a 150 grain one too.

I saw that.

I noticed the 150 has a cut diameter of 1 1/16". I like a little bigger cut.

Looks like a compound head to me. Don’t think my 50# bow would like it.

"The Annihilator cuts on contact while the scoop design punches a hole in game, pushing and pulling tissue to create a large wound channel. The fixed head is designed to gouge holes instead of cut slits." Outdoor Life magazine, 1/10/20

I found some posts about hits with these heads but they were all compound hunters.

I haven't hunted in a few years, but punching, pushing, and pulling does not sound good to me.

That sounds like sales hype for the unaware.

Well the videos are cool and I knew most would speak negatively but wanted to see if anyone had any first hand experience

Shaped like a parachute = drag.

I have no experience with them, but it looks like they took a pretty good 3-blade design, and turned it almost into a blunt on the back end.

I bet they would make really REALLY good small game heads.

Rick

Grizzly63 x 2

Terrible name for a broadhead. Why would one want to annihilate critters? Agree with Rick. It's pretty much a blunt with a stubby point. Very poor mechanical advantage. Not a good choice for a trad bow.

Grizzly63 X2. That's a poor design for the reasons he mentioned.

Might be an interesting head to try on Turkey.

"Might be an interesting head to try on Turkey."

I thought that too when I first saw it, but a turkey does a pretty good job of slowing down and stopping about any broadhead. You may get more braking than you want on a turkey.

For Platter Buzzards, the 160 Snuffer is my go-to, same as for about everything else that I hunt.

That looks like a recipe for adrenaline shot meat to me. There's something about a broadhead slipping through an animal that just goes and lays down quietly versus getting a cookie cutter hole punched through it?

With a compound or an X bow almost any broadhead will do.

I'll have to agree with Rick, looks good for small game.

I wouldn't give 2 cents for it.

My initial reaction is that it's a lousy design.

My first thought, like a few others above, was what a penetration retarder. Not only the "parachutes" at the rear, but also the angels on the blades.

Steve

So is it proven that pushing aside meat, even if you can do it, improves results? One of the features of quality heads, or daggers is that they disturb little flesh, so they release little anti coagulant. The shaving cut thing. So you get a combination of low pain, and low blood clotting. If the animal isn't immediately stopped, it none the less settles down and bleeds out, and you recover it. If you cut a hole, bruise a bunch of meat, and cause a lot of pain, does that actually lead to more recovery?

“Designed to gouge holes instead of cut slits”. That’s all I need to know.

A pack of 3 of those heads at 150 gr. is crowding 70.00. I shake my head. Out of a trad bow, how are these more deadly than a Magnus, Ace, Howard Hill, Zwickey, obsidian, etc, 2 bladed head? I shake my head, but hey, go for it.

You'd think there would be some kind of effectiveness test prior to release for sale!!!

Looks like it has some areas that would hinder penetration. At least out of a recurve.

Tomas I’d give 2 cents. Lol. Because I’m sure I could sell them to someone for 5 cents. I just don’t like the style for trad bows. Just my 2 cents. Lol

I guess it’s ok but I like my Rage

I bet they'd seriously mess up zombies!

Totally adding to my apocalypse bug-out bag :)

I like your sister

There is a compound guy at my club who thinks that these are the greatest thing that ever happened. I don’t buy it.

Given the way that a broadhead kills, I want maximum penetration and a minimum of energy “transfer“ to the animal. If all goes according to Hoyle, they will never know they have even been hit, let alone what hit them. Zip it through and watch ‘em turn blue.

The problem I have with gimmicky heads like this is that they are designed entirely to compensate for poor performance of the part of the archer… And that’s just silly. JMO… It really can’t be done. You either make a good hit or you don’t. There is nothing about a Broadhead - regardless of design - that is going to bail your butt out if you botch the shot. You can rearrange the insides of an animal all you want, but if you don’t cut the important things, it’s not going to die anytime soon.

So I would take the greater potential for penetration from a more traditional head as Plan A.

Always trying to reinvent the wheel, we have more than enough proven broadheads that are very effective.

In my personal opinion, anything but a solid, thin, sleek, and smooth all steel head that is longer than it's width with cut-on-contact blades is a poor design. Any of the good heads, both double and single bevel, that we already have are all we need. They work great and there is no need to reinvent the wheel. Compound guys though, generally love all the new gadgets that come out. The makers of that head will probably sell a ton to them.

I just found this thread. I also went over to their web site, and took the time to actually read through their advertising. All I have to do is look at the shape of that head to know it isn't going to be a head I would use. I shoot around 45#, and an arrow tipped with a head design like that is going to eat up energy fast as it enters an animal simply due to it's design. Granted-as was already said--being shot out of a compound, or crossbow perhaps the extra energy required would be good for these heads. In a traditional set up I prefer my two blade heads, and have yet to buy into the "Re-invent the wheel" mindset. I've made this comment before, and I do not mean it to be brash, but dead-is dead. You can't re-invent dead. A well tuned arrow tipped with a sharp broadhead (pick a brand) shot accurately--passing through both lungs (I mainly hunt whitetails) has always provided me with great results. I have nothing against anyone's choice of equipment. However for me simply due to the design of the head, and my recurve bow poundage--heads like these would eat up way to much energy for me to expect pass throughs with my hunting rig, and I would never take the chance by using a head like that with my current recurve bows for hunting deer. I can see things going really bad--really fast with those heads in a traditional hunting bow set up. Sorry, but I'll pass on those heads, and stay with tried, and true two blade heads that have not let me down.

The EFOC arrow, often with some 60 dollar a head "improvement" over the Grizzly, is actually quite popular, even with crossbow hunters. The message is getting out.

Looks like something you would shoot your worst enemy with. Slow and painful death for sure. Although it does look something like a middle age bodkin. Guess I would have to shoot it into something metal to make a complete evaluation. Anyone have some armour to test it ? lol

Lot of negative talk here about the head which I don’t think is deserved. With compound broadhead tests I’ve seen (Lusk, Seek One, etc…) this head penetrated better than most it seems. The downside is out of the box sharpness.

Aaron Snyder was on a podcast with the guy from Trad Lab in 2021, and he said after sharpening the head it was just as good as any other three blade.

I bought some on AT for my compound to see what they do, I’ll be using my 250gr VPA 3-blades for my trad though.

Funny you asked. I have never seen one, or shot one, but compound shooters out of IL, who I met this weekend, love them. They shoot the 125xl and 150xl........ other than u tube, thats all I know about them................. dont look like much a head for a trad bow though

That scoop looks like it was designed to limit penetration. Makes it strong though. >>>----> Ken

OK, I'm not going to back and search it out, BUT, there is a video out there of a traditional shooter taking a cow moose in Alaska with this head. Made a nice short range hit and she laid down and gave it up at about 60 yards. It did get the job done.

Not for me; but I do wonder where they got the idea. Pic is a 45-70 with Lehigh bullet.

There is no reason to experiment with an proven head. The angle of the head would cause more drag on the arrow. No need to test as this could be proven by basic physics.

I don’t know….they look like one of the best heads I’ve seen….

For hunting steel barrels and cinder blocks…both of which really don’t require a lot of penetration !!!

Lloyd

Not saying it won't kill if you have enough power. Look at it from the rear. The back of the scoop forms a full circle much larger than the arrow shaft. That has to be pushed through. >>>----> Ken

I'm not at all convinced that that scoop doesn’t meet the definition of a Barb.

But all of these things come down to One Thing, and that’s a lack of confidence that a Proper Sharp 2-blade through the thorax is an immediately fatal hit. Or at least not immediately “Enough”.

And I ask meself “Well? Is it or ain’t it?”

I think it is.

Do they still teach in Bowhunter Ed that you want to wait a good 45 minutes after the shot to go pick up the trail? I have to wonder how many animals are lost due to sheer impatience? If there is any one thing that I have done in hunting that I never want to do again, its to bust an animal out of its first bed after the hit. I’ve done it 3 times, which was 2 too many.

Oh. And did I mention that I refuse (on moral/ethical grounds) to ever by any broadhead marketed under a name clearly intended to designate its status as a tool of warfare.

Wasp and Thunderhead both make some sense but are not overtly about death and destruction. I don’t hate the animals that I go after, and I can only stand just so much of that Macho BullSnot before I’m just… Out.

Still use the Snuffer, punches a large hole with a good blood trail, why break something that works.

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