Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Interesting bear razorhead video

Messages posted to thread:
Briar 19-Mar-22
Briar 19-Mar-22
RD 19-Mar-22
Nemophilist 19-Mar-22
monkeyball 19-Mar-22
Jegs.mi 19-Mar-22
Riverwolf 19-Mar-22
Nemophilist 19-Mar-22
tradmt 19-Mar-22
grizz 19-Mar-22
Briar 19-Mar-22
Briar 19-Mar-22
Stix 19-Mar-22
Maynard 19-Mar-22
Nemophilist 19-Mar-22
Babysaph 19-Mar-22
Kisatchie 19-Mar-22
Briar 19-Mar-22
Jegs.mi 19-Mar-22
Sawtooth (Original) 19-Mar-22
Stephengiles 19-Mar-22
monkeyball 19-Mar-22
Briar 19-Mar-22
bluesman 19-Mar-22
Nemophilist 19-Mar-22
Nemophilist 19-Mar-22
Nemophilist 19-Mar-22
Jeffer 19-Mar-22
SB 20-Mar-22
Riverwolf 20-Mar-22
Briar 20-Mar-22
Riverwolf 20-Mar-22
Briar 20-Mar-22
Sawtooth (Original) 20-Mar-22
Riverwolf 20-Mar-22
Briar 20-Mar-22
Nemophilist 20-Mar-22
Nemophilist 20-Mar-22
Jegs.mi 20-Mar-22
Briar 20-Mar-22
Babysaph 20-Mar-22
Jegs.mi 20-Mar-22
Briar 20-Mar-22
bluesman 20-Mar-22
Nemophilist 20-Mar-22
Kisatchie 20-Mar-22
Briar 20-Mar-22
Kisatchie 20-Mar-22
Briar 20-Mar-22
LBshooter 20-Mar-22
grizz 20-Mar-22
Sawtooth (Original) 20-Mar-22
Mike E 21-Mar-22
George D. Stout 24-May-22
Nemophilist 24-May-22
Boker 24-May-22
2 bears 24-May-22
Nemophilist 24-May-22
Missouribreaks 24-May-22
JusPassin 24-May-22
Nemophilist 24-May-22
Nemophilist 24-May-22
Nemophilist 24-May-22
Supernaut 24-May-22
Elkpacker 24-May-22
Stix 24-May-22
JusPassin 25-May-22
Tim Finley 25-May-22
tradmt 25-May-22
Stan 25-May-22
Fisher 26-May-22
tradmt 26-May-22
Briar 26-May-22
DerekMac 26-May-22
Fisher 27-May-22
Briar 27-May-22
Riverwolf 27-May-22
Briar 27-May-22
Missouribreaks 27-May-22
Fisher 27-May-22
Briar 27-May-22
grizz 27-May-22
grizz 27-May-22
Andy Man 27-May-22
Briar 27-May-22
Jegs.mi 27-May-22
grizz 27-May-22
Osr144 08-Jun-22
Orion 08-Jun-22
Jegs.mi 08-Jun-22
From: Briar
Date: 19-Mar-22




This guy does a good job testing broadheads. https://youtu.be/S47ocgM0xBo

From: Briar
Date: 19-Mar-22




From: RD
Date: 19-Mar-22




I won't be hunting concrete deer. Killed many,many animals with Bear Razorheads.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 19-Mar-22




Good video.

From: monkeyball
Date: 19-Mar-22




Well, to me, it looks like unless the animal you are hunting has shoulders made out of concrete slabs.....we are good to go with this great head!

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Mar-22




Good testing. Looks like the razor head is still a great option.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 19-Mar-22




Craig be "point" on ;^)

From: Nemophilist
Date: 19-Mar-22




I doubt there are many (if any) broadheads that wouldn't be damaged to some degree shooting them into concrete.

From: tradmt
Date: 19-Mar-22




I didn’t watch the video but if it involves concrete targets I’m glad I didn’t.

From: grizz
Date: 19-Mar-22




I haven’t shot an animal yet that had sheet metal plating much less concrete ribs. So, guess I’ll be keeping my Razorheads.

I’d like to see a Rage shot into a concrete block at 320 fps.

From: Briar
Date: 19-Mar-22




Nemophilist and others...the Same fella tests a bunch of heads...although not a traditional head, the qad exodus takes the concrete shots with virtually zero damage.

I wasn't by any means bashing the bear head...just an interesting watch and was cool he did a traditional head we have all heard of.

From: Briar
Date: 19-Mar-22




https://youtu.be/XfIE7MZi--A

From: Stix
Date: 19-Mar-22




Just goes to show that razorheads still one of the best.

From: Maynard
Date: 19-Mar-22




That was a GREAT video Very informative

From: Nemophilist
Date: 19-Mar-22




I wonder how the Tuffheads would do when shot into concrete ?

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Mar-22




Always got to be overkill

From: Kisatchie
Date: 19-Mar-22




What exactly is so interesting or informative about the test? If the number of animals Fred Bear killed with the Bear Razorheads everything from deer to Polar bears not to mention the hundreds of thousands of animals killed by other bowhunters doesn’t convince you they work . Do you really feel like this clown shooting one into a concrete block has now giving you some piece of information you didn’t already have lol?

This is about like some of the podcasts out now. Hour and a half of a guy talking about data points and statistics to show a lung shot deer doesn’t travel as far as a liver or gut shot deer lol.

From: Briar
Date: 19-Mar-22




Geez oh man...its 7 minutes of content. Its unbiased straightforward information. I mean good gracious. Talk about a defensive crowd. God forbid anything made past the year 1970 have any value.

As they say with old dogs...the deader they are the better they are. Nostalgia at its apex.

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Mar-22




Grizz, 3 years ago I shot a small 8 point. it had a rage broad head in each shoulder between the bone and the hide. I'll take the razor head.

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Mar-22




Neat video. But I didn’t need it to make me like the razorhead. It’s already one of my favorites. The toughest thing around here is a boar hog. Razorheads cut them down as good as anything.

From: Stephengiles
Date: 19-Mar-22




I like ace standards as my go to. I will give the guy credit even though his stuff can seem boring to some ,he’s starting to get a fairly large database of broad heads using standardized testing. I did like the one he done using thunderheads as well. I would bet he’s tested the rages already as mentioned above if someone is interested in that. As much as some people pay for heads now, and especially using modern compounds it’s not a bad thing IMO

From: monkeyball
Date: 19-Mar-22




Ron, It is a great video, and that fellow goes to a lot of extreme and takes a lot of time testing various heads in all sorts of ways.

I have never seen the Bear head tested like that before, and to be quite honest I was surprised it faired as well as it did thru the metal.

There are probably not to many heads that come out looking pretty after hitting that cement block....but then that is the purpose of the video.

A Bear razor head on a hit square in the shoulder blade of a Whitetail........should be no problem.

Thanks for posting it. It was well worth the watch.

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: Briar
Date: 19-Mar-22




I agree Craig. I have about 2 dozen greenies and I was super impressed with how well the head held up. I also feel like it is far and few a stickbow hunter who is shooting a bow with the kinetic energy that the testing was done with.

All in all a good watch. It's not meant to sway anyone's opinion or invalidate there personal experience...glad you liked it!

From: bluesman
Date: 19-Mar-22




The old Bear razorheads will generally do the job, they are not a real hard steel and my first deer in the 70's the bear razorhead went in between the near side ribs and hit the shoulder bone on the far side and it curled big time . It worked... the deer did not make 100 yards, but in my opinion the softer metal might prevent better penetration on a nearside bone hit. That being said I would use them to this day but the other broadheads I have used including Zwickey , Stos , Eclipse and Magnus are more durable . My experience with these heads I have never had one even bend .

I would rate the old BEAR heads as passable but not the best . I am a BEAR archery fan but do prefer other broadheads especially if I am after an elk or moose.

I am lucky enough to have a fair suply of all the ild broadhead company's including a few BEAR , so I likely will never have to buy the new ones on todays market that are very expensive.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 19-Mar-22

Nemophilist's embedded Photo



From: Nemophilist
Date: 19-Mar-22

Nemophilist's embedded Photo



From: Nemophilist
Date: 19-Mar-22

Nemophilist's embedded Photo



I remember reading Fred Bear used a Bear razorhead to kill his elephant.

From: Jeffer
Date: 19-Mar-22




Interesting video. I'm not sure what good something like the concrete test is. I think it would be more interesting and informative if he could get a hold of some fresh shoulder blades to test on instead.

From: SB
Date: 20-Mar-22




50+ years of hunting EVERYTHING with Razorheads! Never a failure!

From: Riverwolf
Date: 20-Mar-22

Riverwolf's embedded Photo



I prefer the SS Razorheads (though I have taken several with the green/tan originals;). Built a little tougher imho with the solid ferrel & stainless blade. I had one (Old #1) that took many animals over the yrs. only reason I stopped using it was after yrs of file work the blades thined . Many years of file work ....

This was a good sized Buck. I was shooting for the heart , but mistimed the swing of the shoulder. No tracking necessary....

Just one of #1's kills. Many more to follow before it was retired..... So just how tough do they need to be ?

From: Briar
Date: 20-Mar-22




I'm sure many game animals have been killed with much less than razor sharp broadheads...so really how sharp do they need to be,?

Thin walled aluminum arrows have withstood thousands of shots..yet people call them fragile...how durable do they really need to be?

We see posts get bashed to the high heavens of very low poundage kills..it worked, so how powerful does it mean to be??

We maximize our gear to be as effective as we can be when taking a shot to achieve a clean kill. Is anyone out there really conciously shooting for "good enough"...I doubt it. Shoot what you want..but at least consider that there may be other choices outside of your choices....

Other broadheads have stood the test of time yet the one in question hasn't been produced and sold forever...in a market where the cost of heads is through the roof...and therefore profit margins..why did it fade into the past?

From: Riverwolf
Date: 20-Mar-22




You kinda lost me on that above post Ron ;^)

Are you saying that the Bear Razorhead is inferior , or those that shoot such are settling for good enough , or lower standards or ?

From: Briar
Date: 20-Mar-22




Im not saying that at all...but when you honestly and unbiased look at the overall make of the head...can anyone really say it's the best and most durable design they have ever used?

And if it isn't and you want to be as effective as possible why would you choose it other than Fred used it?

It's like when someone is looking for shafts. They can shoot 2013 or 1916....the 1916 is way or durable and tougher eventhough the 2013 is effective the 1916 is always suggested so why in this case are we defending an effective but less durable item?

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Mar-22




I think they stopped making them because the machine tore up. I bet if they were still being made people would still buy them.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 20-Mar-22




The Bear Razorhead has nothing to prove , and I can't speak for others but....I use them because they are very effective for the intended purpose. Which was "not" for shooting into concrete , granite , or steel.....I also think many start these type conversations for argumentitive purposes.

From: Briar
Date: 20-Mar-22




Riverwolf I'm not arguing. I posted a video testing an age old proven head. It was run through the exact same battery of tests as every other tested head. Some fared better, some did not. Overall for a spring steel stamped $5 head I thought it did pretty well....That's it.

As they say...there are levels to this. People use what they like and have confidence in. If your faced with a shot or trip of a lifetime and feel 100% with a 110 grain head on your arrows thats totally ok.

Let's just not pretend the razorhead, outside of 70 years of use had any more effectiveness than any other stamped head. It just is what it is. No more no less.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 20-Mar-22




Bear Razorhead Test from American-Hunter.com

The Bear Razorhead has been around for a long time, and with good reason. This head is not fancy, but it gets the job done very well. I tested the head as a two blade. By doing so I kept the weight down to 130 grains. If it is tested as a 4 blade, by using the bleeder blades, the score would remain the same, even though the bleeders give the head two more points, they also break off pretty easy.

The first time I tested the Razorhead I gave it an accuracy score of 3. Since then I have revised this to a 4. In further tests I have found it to be as accurate as any quality fixed blade head, and therefore I feel it deserves the 4 rating. In the plywood test the head penetrated fully without damage. In the tire it penetrated the first side with several inches of arrow shaft, again no damage. In the steel drum it penetrated the front fully with the tip and 1/3 of the blade surface sticking in the far side. This broadhead not only survived the tests, but with some sharpening, it would still be very serviceable for hunting. Like I said before, it’s not fancy, but it will get the job done very well. About the only thing I could find wrong with the head was the blade sharpness out of the package. It was not very good, but that was easy enough to fix with a good broadhead sharpener.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 20-Mar-22




Bear Razorhead History:

In 1956, Bear Archery formally introduced the Razorhead to the public. Known today as the "Bubble-Head" by many collectors because of the rounded ferrule tip, this broadhead was an instant success. Good quality steel, easily sharpened and aligned to the arrow, the Razorhead was on it's way to becoming the largest selling broadhead of all time.

But Fred found a small problem with this original design. The "Bubble" on the tip of the ferrule was affecting penetration. So in 1959, Bear began flattening the ferrule tip to improve this situation. However, the vents on the 1959 Razorhead remained large as with the original 1956 model.

In 1960, a new die was made, with the vents made smaller and the ferrule tip even flatter. Lastly, in 1964, the vents were changed again, looking much like a die-cut parabolic feather shape now.

The Super Razorhead was introduced in 1978, and the era of the old lime-green Razorhead came to a close. However, these new Super Razorheads did not have a reputation for holding up under use and lost favor with the masses of bowhunters in time. However, Bear Archery’s ability to market better than anyone else kept this broadhead in tackle boxes. Finally, in 1981, the Stainless steel version of the Razorhead came out, but it is the old lime-green Razorheads that remain popular with bowhunters today both as collectors, and as shooters.

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Mar-22




I often wonder if the new premium heads can possibly make an animal (more dead). If proportional to price, they have to make them 3 times (more dead). Or last 3 times longer. Judging by the razor heads still available there is no longevity problem. How good is good enough.

From: Briar
Date: 20-Mar-22




Price...maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't use a lot of broadheads. I'm a one deer a year kinda guy. After all the time, effort, and money that goes into hunting am I really worried about $20 for a broadhead?

There are a lot of reasons to shoot what you like and like what you shoot...but I cant imagine dollars is one of them unless you are shooting and losing a bunch..which is totally possible.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Mar-22




I love the old Bear heads. Used with or without bleeders

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Mar-22




Interesting.....

From: Briar
Date: 20-Mar-22




If only bear could find a way to fix that machine...they are sitting on a goldmine...I think I did see where they released a new head for 69.99 for 3 due out this spring.

Imagine if they just fixed the old machine. I bet in today's money you could pick up a 6 pack for $40 and they would still profit $35 a pack.

From: bluesman
Date: 20-Mar-22

bluesman's embedded Photo



Here is my bear razorhead I shot my first deer with a bow. Still have it !!! As you can see it curled up when it hit the solid bone on the offside shoulder . I was using EASTON aluminum arrows and a Jennings model T 60# shot at 37 yards.

so this BEAR head is from the 70's .

From: Nemophilist
Date: 20-Mar-22

Nemophilist's embedded Photo



Bear Archery's new razorhead.

From: Kisatchie
Date: 20-Mar-22




Price...maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't use a lot of broadheads. I'm a one deer a year kinda guy. After all the time, effort, and money that goes into hunting am I really worried about $20 for a broadhead?

I agree with that statement Briar. If your shooting a single animal a year it would take a couple lifetimes to get the first hand experience people that hunt a lot have. After a few dozen kills most bowhunters realize you don’t need a 40$ head to kill an animal. 5-6 deer per year with maybe twice that in hogs and then turkey hunting the numbers add up. If you hunt hogs or turkeys with a bow unless your shooting a 25#er or sitting in an empty field your gonna lose arrows period. Turkeys especially you may get several shots in a season and if you miss that arrow is gone. And if you’ve killed any amount of animals with a Zwickey or Bear razor head or Ace you can look at the 40$ head and see nothing that could possibly make a difference on an animal.

From: Briar
Date: 20-Mar-22




Kisatchie:

I had to click on your profile to see where you are from...wow that is a lot of hunting and experience. Up east, we have no hogs, you could possibly get 3 deer with the right tags and most will be shot from an elevated stand with an arrow in the dirt and turkeys...wow good luck. You got 5 guys after each gobbler and these birds are well educated...I can see it taking some serious dedication and time to score that one.

I can see your point though. In your situation value has value for sure. Id sure not be willing to spend $20 a head either....what kind of arrows do you shoot for that kind of volume? They aren't cheap either.

From: Kisatchie
Date: 20-Mar-22




I shoot only wood arrows. And I’m not saying I kill 20 animals every year but that the potential shot opportunities are possible and you can’t hunt effectively and worry about losing an arrow with a 20-60$ broadhead. We get 6 tags in La for deer 2 for turkeys and I usually make at least one out of state hunt per year. Hogs are common and one of the places I turkey hunt is full of them. I’ve killed as many as 9 in one 4 week turkey season hunting this public land area without even trying to hunt hogs. I do try my best to find every arrow obviously but it’s not possible and losing one 5$ arrow is bad enough. There’s a market for these high dollar broadheads or they would not sell them. But I’m definitely not in the demographic they are trying to sell to.

From: Briar
Date: 20-Mar-22




I'm jealous. I cant tell you how hard it is to get good at shooting game taking a shot or 2 a year. That experience is so valuable. In woods game killing shots are a whole seperate skill set. Good for you man.

From: LBshooter
Date: 20-Mar-22




Well I'm glad I don't hunt concrete.

From: grizz
Date: 20-Mar-22




I seldom set foot on concrete and look for ways to avoid it. Certainly don’t want to shoot it.

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 20-Mar-22

Sawtooth (Original)'s embedded Photo



I’m not a fan of the new razorheads and I dang sure am not gonna pay that for them. I shoot a bunch of pigs and, well, deer too. The old greenies work just fine. Sometimes even a fatally shot pig will go to a place where it is all but unretrievable. (That’s why it is hanging around there in the first place). It’s a lot easier for me to watch a hog running off with a razorhead or zwickey rather than a Bishop or VPA or other high priced head.

From: Mike E
Date: 21-Mar-22




more pointless Utube BS.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 24-May-22




Those bent tips from hitting a deer had to be slightly bent when shot, or struck at a pretty severe angle. I've Shot them into cinder blocks and had them stick 1/3rd of their length and not bend...on a direct on hit of course. I glanced one off a steel pole once (target butt) and it bent but could be straightened good enough to use.

Not sure how many deer I killed over the years with them...more than 20...less than 40 I guess, but never had a failure in near 59 years of using them. That includes small game, turkeys, pheasants, squirrels, and groundhogs as well. No, they aren't fragile in the real world doint real broadhead business.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 24-May-22




It never ends.

From: Boker
Date: 24-May-22




Well. All I know is I plan to use them.

From: 2 bears
Date: 24-May-22




One reason Bear sold so many heads besides being cheaper they were easy to sharpen. Why they were softer. I had one curl exactly like the one in the picture. They have killed a trainload of animals but there are better heads. I can't say which model it was that curled. Later Bears may be better. When I worked in a machine shop I put a number of heads on a Rockwell hardness tester. I still have some Bears. I would still use them if I needed to, but they are not my go to head. As for fixing the machine any machine that can be made can be fixed or replaced. Especially if there is a gold mine waiting. Just my thoughts. >>>----> Ken

From: Nemophilist
Date: 24-May-22




I plan on using the vintage Bear Razorheads or Tuskers this year. Haven't decided yet.

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 24-May-22




I have witnessed two curled Bear razorheads in my 55 year stickbow career. It did, and does, happen. Later versions had more of a chisel point. Still a good broadhead IMO.

From: JusPassin
Date: 24-May-22




Social media has allowed us to learn from so many experts.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 24-May-22




Bear Razorhead Test from American-Hunter.com

The Bear Razorhead has been around for a long time, and with good reason. This head is not fancy, but it gets the job done very well. I tested the head as a two blade. By doing so I kept the weight down to 130 grains. If it is tested as a 4 blade, by using the bleeder blades, the score would remain the same, even though the bleeders give the head two more points, they also break off pretty easy.

The first time I tested the Razorhead I gave it an accuracy score of 3. Since then I have revised this to a 4. In further tests I have found it to be as accurate as any quality fixed blade head, and therefore I feel it deserves the 4 rating. In the plywood test the head penetrated fully without damage. In the tire it penetrated the first side with several inches of arrow shaft, again no damage. In the steel drum it penetrated the front fully with the tip and 1/3 of the blade surface sticking in the far side.

This broadhead not only survived the tests, but with some sharpening, it would still be very serviceable for hunting. Like I said before, it’s not fancy, but it will get the job done very well. About the only thing I could find wrong with the head was the blade sharpness out of the package. It was not very good, but that was easy enough to fix with a good broadhead sharpener.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 24-May-22




Bear Razorhead History:

In 1956, Bear Archery formally introduced the Razorhead to the public. Known today as the "Bubble-Head" by many collectors because of the rounded ferrule tip, this broadhead was an instant success. Good quality steel, easily sharpened and aligned to the arrow, the Razorhead was on it's way to becoming the largest selling broadhead of all time.

But Fred found a small problem with this original design. The "Bubble" on the tip of the ferrule was affecting penetration. So in 1959, Bear began flattening the ferrule tip to improve this situation. However, the vents on the 1959 Razorhead remained large as with the original 1956 model.

In 1960, a new die was made, with the vents made smaller and the ferrule tip even flatter. Lastly, in 1964, the vents were changed again, looking much like a die-cut parabolic feather shape now.

The Super Razorhead was introduced in 1978, and the era of the old lime-green Razorhead came to a close. However, these new Super Razorheads did not have a reputation for holding up under use and lost favor with the masses of bowhunters in time. However, Bear Archery’s ability to market better than anyone else kept this broadhead in tackle boxes. Finally, in 1981, the Stainless steel version of the Razorhead came out, but it is the old lime-green Razorheads that remain popular with bowhunters today both as collectors, and as shooters.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 24-May-22

Nemophilist's embedded Photo



From: Supernaut
Date: 24-May-22




Great info Nemo thanks for posting!

I acquired 6 Bear Razorheads a month or two ago and I'm completely confident that they would get the job done.

From: Elkpacker
Date: 24-May-22




I killed my far share of game with the Zwickys. missed my fare share with bear heads but I was 12.

From: Stix
Date: 24-May-22




The only reasonto test a broadhead against concrete is to see if the broadhead survives if it deflects or misses and hits a rock. I'm more interested in seeing what happens if it hits bone, like a shoulder or ribs. That's the most likely hunting scenario.

From: JusPassin
Date: 25-May-22




I have to believe that if someone wanted to get serious about testing broadheads you would be able to locate some plastic substance that would equate to bone. I too see the concrete shots as pointless theatrics.

From: Tim Finley Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 25-May-22




I dont know how you would do a proper test with a head that is mounted crooked on the broadhead adapter, it will never hit square, fly straight, or be accurate.

From: tradmt
Date: 25-May-22




Well, it’s destructive testing, which is done on many products, in many industries and nothing is expected to survive it.

I will say this, if the razorhead held up better than the others, these nostalgic guys would be sharing the video everyday, you can bet on that! Lol

I have no interest in these tests, nor in tazorheads when they’re are so many better built heads out there that are also quite economical.

From: Stan
Date: 25-May-22




Well, just my opinion, since nostalgia literally means great memories from great results.. Isn't that the point? Bear razorheads were inexpensive, readily available, easily sharpened, if you missed and hit a rock, that's on you.. If missing and hitting rocks is a habit, well buy what You need..

From: Fisher
Date: 26-May-22




Maybe to be great, a broadhead must have folding blades and cost $25 each . . . .

From: tradmt
Date: 26-May-22




The point of what Stan?

The reason I’m buying a broadhead is to use killing big game, many options out there but I choose ones that have lower blade angles and stronger tips. I’m not bashing the razorheads or any other, but the only reason I would have them would be for its historical attribute. Nothing wrong with that is there?

From: Briar
Date: 26-May-22




A saying in the coonhound world rings true with a lot of things that bring up nostalgic feelings... "the deader they are, the better they are"...the longer ago dogs, people or items are gone the seemingly greater they become until quite simply their legend becomes the substitute for reality....I guess thats why no matter what era you grew up in, when you were 20 that was the good old days or the only time great music was made and everything now is crap...just human nature boldly displayed with archery products in this forum.

Keep carrying the torch boys.

From: DerekMac
Date: 26-May-22




Ha, thanks for the laugh,Briar! :)

From: Fisher
Date: 27-May-22




Briar - never heard that nonsense in my coonhunting or any other lifetime experience. Even considering that such a statement is made, it has no inherent validity. However, granted many folks are or create unwarranted legends. Sometimes the description “legendary” is warranted. Each to his own opinion of what is legendary.

From: Briar
Date: 27-May-22




Fisher perception is reality. As long as you believe your opinion it will be your reality and that is all that matters. Arguing about what you believe or have created as legend is a fools errand.

Never allow data to ruin lore...the story rarely tends to be as entertaining as the truth. As they say, never let facts get in the way of a good story.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 27-May-22




Briar, what exactly was your goal here ? Sharing a video is one thing, guiding the reactions to what you want is another....

Seems everytime one of us share our experiances/thoughts someone like yourself spouts off in the name of useless/senseless argument.....In an attempt to lesser/degrade others opposing opinions.

If it is for the sake of meaningless debate/argumentation ....then you have joined an ever growing list of people that do much the same....sadly.

Starting a thread for heated debate and then jumping from one side of the fence to the other fanning the flames is pretty childish...

All the while attempting to belittle hunters who very likly have much more experiance than yourself at these things.....Good day.

From: Briar
Date: 27-May-22




Riverwolf. Who is belittling anyone? Its an analysis of a broadhead whose legend preceed's its current ability to perform against other broadheads put through the same battery of tests. Thats it.

This is like me posting a video of a blackpowder musket vs a modern hunting rifle..having people tell me that the musket is just as good and a million deer have been killed with the musket and its was good enough for grandpap and daniel boone and then getting their feathers ruffled when i push back defending the rifle.

Im not belittling anyone. I presented a video, nothing more. Its more people belittling me for having the audacity to in any way tarnish the legendary bear razorhead...regardless of its current ability to stand up to its modern counterparts.

Im still wondering why bear archery changed the design for the new razorhead when obviously this design has no flaws and was very inexpensive to produce. Somebody is sitting on a lot of money.

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 27-May-22




Broadheads will continue to evolve and change in both appearance and composition, marketing will never allow product design and buyer appeal to become stagnant.

From: Fisher
Date: 27-May-22




Briar - I agree with everything that Riverwolf said. I have no time for, interest in, or patience for recreational bickering. You have wasted valuable time for folks who have knowledge, skills, experience, and real lives. I suggest that you consider the intention and value of your future posts. I certainly will.

No need to waste your time replying because I will not be reading any more of your drivel.

From: Briar
Date: 27-May-22




I apologize to fisher and all others wasted valuable time for folks who have knowledge, skills, experience, and real life responding to a post on an internet message board topic. I had no idea you were required to do so.

Had i known your hand would be forced and time wasted I would have posted a more vital topic like will 40lbs kill a deer, look what i found at a garage sale or do you use right or left wing feathers.

Enjoy your holiday.

From: grizz
Date: 27-May-22




I suggest you post things pertaining to stickbows and then accept the fact that you may not know everything. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that the bulk of us could care less how the compound and crossbow world rates broadheads. I went to compounds for a while and shot Muzzy 3 blades, excellent head at 250+ fps. But I don’t use them on my 170 fps recurve. Because others believe differently, doesn’t make you right and them wrong.

To add, I hit a rock with a Muzzy and even after passing through the lungs of a whitetail, it totally destroyed the head.

From: grizz
Date: 27-May-22




I suggest you post things pertaining to stickbows and then accept the fact that you may not know everything. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that the bulk of us could care less how the compound and crossbow world rates broadheads. I went to compounds for a while and shot Muzzy 3 blades, excellent head at 250+ fps. But I don’t use them on my 170 fps recurve. Because others believe differently, doesn’t make you right and them wrong.

To add, I hit a rock with a Muzzy and even after passing through the lungs of a whitetail, it totally destroyed the head.

From: Andy Man
Date: 27-May-22




a Razorhead did what it was designed to do -very well-that is get your money and kill game

I'm a ACE standard guy-but a razor head does the same thing just as well

If Fred wanted it to shoot concrete blocks he would of developed it to be like a Bodkin or cold chisel

From: Briar
Date: 27-May-22




Very fair grizz. Totally understandable and well said. The fact is 2 things can be true. The video never says this is a useless piece of trash...it simply says here are the results from a battery of tests.

This has become such a discussion of absolutes. There is no reason to be defensive about information. I don't believe the broadhead is offended. Folks are so willing to die on the hill defending a product that hasn't been made for 40 years. Its not like the video hurt sales.

If you love them GREAT...if you hate them GREAT...feel free to setup your own battery of tests and post it. If not, accept the information and forget about it.

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 27-May-22




The real test of any broadhead is on live animals. Bear razor heads are more thoroughly tested than any head ever made. Passing with flying colors. If you want to spend more money if you want those companies support families to.

From: grizz
Date: 27-May-22




Too complicated I guess

From: Osr144
Date: 08-Jun-22




What a load of BS.Never seen concrete animal in my life.Razor heads field sharpen nicely,cut into game efficiently good enough to do the job.My glass knapped heads work too but miss with those and you want to hope they don't hit trees or hard soil because the will surely be damaged.Bears were good I wish they were still made. Osr

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Jun-22




I must say this thread has been entertaining. Some well-written repartee.

Just to add a little fuel to the flame, I expect most everyone knows that Zwickey was making broadheads for Bear before Bear came out with its own broadhead. Hmmmm. Notice the similarity between the Bear Razorhead and the Zwickey Eskimo.

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 08-Jun-22




I believe what our friend from down under said was " razor heads Australian for dead critters"





If you have already registered, please

sign in now

For new registrations

Click Here




Visit Bowsite.com A Traditional Archery Community Become a Sponsor
Stickbow.com © 2003. By using this site you agree to our Terms and Conditions and our Privacy Policy