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Tom Clum, Correct Shooting and Shoulder

Messages posted to thread:
Live2Hunt 02-Feb-22
Dry Bones 02-Feb-22
kstradhunter 02-Feb-22
1buckurout 02-Feb-22
Car54 02-Feb-22
1buckurout 02-Feb-22
Southpawky 02-Feb-22
Smokey 02-Feb-22
Live2Hunt 02-Feb-22
Stix 02-Feb-22
Ybuck 02-Feb-22
sagebrush 02-Feb-22
Tomas 02-Feb-22
Orion 02-Feb-22
Ned 02-Feb-22
iowacedarshooter 02-Feb-22
Altitude Sickness 02-Feb-22
Great Falls 02-Feb-22
Dartwick 02-Feb-22
skipmaster1 03-Feb-22
Therifleman 03-Feb-22
George D. Stout 03-Feb-22
Dan Jones 03-Feb-22
mahantango 04-Feb-22
Live2Hunt 04-Feb-22
elkster 04-Feb-22
Jason D 05-Feb-22
Jack Whitmrie jr 22-Jun-22
Foggy Mountain 22-Jun-22
Stix 22-Jun-22
flint kemper 22-Jun-22
Mtquiver 22-Jun-22
manybows 22-Jun-22
Altitude Sickness 23-Jun-22
Katman 23-Jun-22
GLF 23-Jun-22
BenMaher 23-Jun-22
Stix 23-Jun-22
BenMaher 25-Jun-22
Stix 25-Jun-22
TrustyShellback 25-Jun-22
From: Live2Hunt
Date: 02-Feb-22




So, I watched a very good video with Tom Clum last night on correct shooting form and shoulder injuries. He shows and explains why you injure your shoulders while shooting. Great video for all shooters. But now for some stupid reason it does not come up for me to link on here. I have been drawing different the past few years making sure I am using my back which has helped with shoulder pain. But the reasons why are explained well by Tom. Again, great resource for all shooters.

From: Dry Bones
Date: 02-Feb-22




Tom has a lot of information out there about form and technique. Tom has a way of explaining things that I think many people can understand. He seems like one of the good ones. I know I have emailed them in the past and had good conversations.

-Bones

From: kstradhunter
Date: 02-Feb-22




Possibly this one?

https://youtu.be/RRRnt1Zk7UI

From: 1buckurout
Date: 02-Feb-22




From: Car54 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Feb-22




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr3F96kqv9k&t=1271s

From: 1buckurout
Date: 02-Feb-22




From: Southpawky
Date: 02-Feb-22




I’ve watched toms videos and have talked to him. he is the real deal. He helped me immensely. He has all the knowledge as all the top rated coaches but simplifies and teaches it to bow hunters. He has a course you can buy and I highly recommend it. When I started shooting traditional, watching all the ol’guys snap shooting and everything else, I picked it up and tried to do like them, I learned that it works to a certain degree but the accuracy wasn’t what I wanted and developed target panic awful. having a dedicated shooting platform and not pulling back and just letting it rip changed my game 100% plus my shoulders

From: Smokey
Date: 02-Feb-22




This is some of the best advice for anyone who shoots a bow and arrow!

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 02-Feb-22




Thanks 1buck, that's the one. The one thing that makes total sense is the way he explains what happens to your shoulder if your follow through is straight back and the damage it does. I really do not want to damage myself to not be able to shoot anymore.

From: Stix
Date: 02-Feb-22




The 1st video has great tutorial on proper back tension.. Most archers that haven't been instructed properly (most of us, including me) usually are not using proper back tension, leading to serious shoulder injury.

The second video, amongst other things shows how to use proper back tension for a repeatable anchor.

Thanks for posting!

From: Ybuck
Date: 02-Feb-22




love his content as well

From: sagebrush
Date: 02-Feb-22




Tom is a good guy,stopped by his place a few times

From: Tomas
Date: 02-Feb-22




Thanks for posting, I think this is going to help a lot.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Feb-22




A lot of guys have tried to explain the how and why of back tension and the rotational draw, but i think Tom's first video is about the best I've seen on the topic(s).

From: Ned
Date: 02-Feb-22




I will tell you without a doubt one of the really good guys out there. I am lucky enough to be just 15 minutes from his shop and shoot a 3-D league on Friday nights that he shoots. Just last week he spent 2 hours helping me get the right setupo for a bow I was having trouble with. He is just a really good guy.

From: iowacedarshooter
Date: 02-Feb-22




good advice! thanks much!

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 02-Feb-22




I use my therapy bands as he shows. It helps with shoulder rotation and back tension.

From: Great Falls
Date: 02-Feb-22




I’ve found the bands to be a great warmup aid right before going out to practice

From: Dartwick
Date: 02-Feb-22




Watching that first video - does that mean a static release is the best thing for the shoulder?

From: skipmaster1 Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 03-Feb-22




Dartwick- a static release isn’t bad for the shoulder if you draw with your back. I think the worst for your shoulder is trying for a dynamic release but not using your back. I find that I’d I try a completely static release, I get a very slight collapse at release that I can see in slow motion video. It ends up hurting my accuracy a bit.

From: Therifleman
Date: 03-Feb-22




Tom puts out excellent content on the intricacies of solid form. Arne Moe and Todd S (Bowmania) have also provided great guidance in this area. They're not only knowledgeable, but go out of their way to help in a very personable and humble way.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 03-Feb-22




It's good to see many good videos on form, and that people are actually watching them and paying attention. I have personally noticed that in the last decade shooters are becoming more attentive to repeatable form. I see many really good shooters on the lines at Denton Hill and also up at the Pa. Bowhunter Festival. It's heartening to see and it's good for the sport of archery, and particularly bowhunting.

From: Dan Jones
Date: 03-Feb-22




One of the most valuable threads that I've ever seen on the Leatherwall. Unfortunately, I already have rotator cuff injuries in both shoulders.

From: mahantango
Date: 04-Feb-22




I agree George.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 04-Feb-22




The big thing Tom points out is how the shoulder reacts after the shot and the jarring effect on your shoulder if you go straight back after the shot. Focusing on your back as explained almost naturally makes the shoulder swing down and behind so you do not have that jarring effect. It has definitely totally reduce any shoulder issues I had from shooting and it is just a smoother cleaner release.

From: elkster
Date: 04-Feb-22




Yes, it is a great resource explained well by Tom. His online course is worth buying if you like the video posted in this thread.

From: Jason D
Date: 05-Feb-22




These two videos posted up above should be seen by every archer!

Tom is the real deal for sure! A great guy and super knowledgeable!

Arnie Moe also teaches a very similar style with his rotational draw and very much better for our shoulders than the straight back linear draw that most everybody does.

J.

From: Jack Whitmrie jr
Date: 22-Jun-22




Been watching his videos this summer, love his coaching style.

From: Foggy Mountain
Date: 22-Jun-22




That guy is really good. His thoughts and explanations awesome too imo

From: Stix
Date: 22-Jun-22




I still watch these videos from time to time to correct bad habits I pick up.

From: flint kemper
Date: 22-Jun-22




What bands does Tom use that we can purchase.

From: Mtquiver
Date: 22-Jun-22




Must agree with George; it appears that there are a number of really good shooters at 3D shoots nowadays, whether you call it instinctive or point of aim, or gap shooting or whatever form they take on. Really good shooters these days and it very well may be due to the plethora of videos on shooting form. It’s just fun to witness “Traditional” bows being shot with such precision. Funny thing is that many seem to be from Pa. Must be something in the water…..or other liquid refreshments being consumed over there.

Stay Safe/Shoot Straight. MT

From: manybows
Date: 22-Jun-22




Thank you Tom Clunn I wish I would have known that info 4 decades ago, it would have prevented shoulder surgery. Take head young archers don't get overbowed what ever you do and have proper form.

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 23-Jun-22




MT, An area in PA produced many of the best athletes of all time also

From: Katman
Date: 23-Jun-22




Watched the video couple weeks ago, thinking of moving L2 made back tension easy.

From: GLF
Date: 23-Jun-22




That's half of how I shoot. He describes my string arm/shoulder perfectly. But my problem is my bow arm. I just can't consistantly keep my bow shoulder down. Maybe know more detail will help me. No shoulder problems yet but I'm due.

From: BenMaher
Date: 23-Jun-22




Tom's coaching gave me my archery back.

One of the true gentleman in not only archery , but life.

One of the great privileges of my life has been being able to call him my friend.

And as a coach ? Outstanding.

From: Stix
Date: 23-Jun-22




Ben, where are you from? Your handle says 'other'. Just curious, I seem to remember a Ben that hung out with the young Clum boys, a group us middle age guys called them the Hooligans.

From: BenMaher
Date: 25-Jun-22




Stix,

Down Under my friend !

From: Stix
Date: 25-Jun-22




Ben, You must be the fellow from Austrailia the came to the CTAS shoot occasionally????

From: TrustyShellback
Date: 25-Jun-22




Tom is a great guy and he and his boys are excellent hunters.





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