Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


What do you think of baiting?

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babysaph 10-Jan-22
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Mike B 10-Jan-22
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Missouribreaks 10-Jan-22
Sasquatch73 10-Jan-22
George D. Stout 10-Jan-22
Seahorse 10-Jan-22
Keefers 10-Jan-22
babysaph 10-Jan-22
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Ckelley2 10-Jan-22
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Red Beastmaster 10-Jan-22
soap creek 10-Jan-22
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Jon Stewart 10-Jan-22
babysaph 10-Jan-22
gradymaci 10-Jan-22
lost run 10-Jan-22
Great Falls 10-Jan-22
Jegs.mi 10-Jan-22
TGbow 10-Jan-22
groundhunter50 10-Jan-22
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Kodaman 10-Jan-22
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From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




Please be civil. I just recently read in a magazine somewhere where a hunter wrote an article and in it he mentioned baiting. He said he hunted pigs over bait but would not consider hunting deer. What animals do you think should be hunted over bait and which ones not? Some areas bear hunting is ok over bait. I know in different areas people hunt deer over bait. Some areas deer are considered a nuisance like pigs are in other places.Here is WV it is very common. Even in the counties where it is illegal. WE can not hunt bear over bait either.

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 10-Jan-22




I agree that bait is appropriate for controlling nuisance animals, which around here includes deer. That’s not Hunting; it’s Culling.

The IDEA here (where extremely few suburbanites will allow hunting on their 2-acre parcels) was that bait could be used to draw deer from sanctuary areas onto Huntable Private property, where they could be killed in sufficient numbers to allow the state to reach an acceptable herd density.

The REALITY here is that bait is used to draw deer from sanctuary areas onto Huntable Private property…. where they are “inventoried”, allowed to mature, and selectively harvested once they have reached an acceptable P&Y scoring bracket. And frequently, any video of the “action” could run with a disclaimer stating that “No does were harmed in the taking of these bucks.”

Most of these Baiters are generally opposed to killing does, because everybody knows that “Does are the best bait in the world.” Or if they DO kill a few every year, they sure as hell do a good job of keeping it on the down-low.

So the outcome has turned into the opposite of what was intended, from a Management perspective. It did create target-rich hunting opportunities for a few folks.

Bears, I am not so sure about. I know a lot of guys who say you just can’t get them any other way, but my brother seems pretty adept at calling them in while Elk hunting, so I have to wonder how effective it might be to varmint-call them. Site seems like a whole lot more exciting way to go at it!

From: Mike B
Date: 10-Jan-22




Unless it was to kill a problem animal (coyote,etc) I would not care to hunt over a baited spot.

From: Kanati
Date: 10-Jan-22




NJ allows it. I hate it.

From: Danielb Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Jan-22




Is a corn or bean field considered bait?

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




Please be civil- that’s funny. Did You forget where you are for a minute? :)

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 10-Jan-22




Makes no difference to me, I plant bait plots on my private lands. They work great, actually best if no baiting is allowed on surrounding public lands. However, I support baiting by anyone, not simply private landowners like myself.

From: Sasquatch73
Date: 10-Jan-22




When the law permits it.......... the rest is up the individual. Baiting for trapping, baiting for fish, sure bait for whatever. Ya still have to pull off the shot.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 10-Jan-22




JR is a master baiter on here so I suspect he already knows what will occur.

From: Seahorse
Date: 10-Jan-22




Luring animals to concentrate them is a horrible mistake. It's a perfect setting to spread a host of diseases.

From: Keefers
Date: 10-Jan-22




George I’m so glad I wasn’t drinking a beverage when I read your post lol...

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




What is a problem animal and who decides it? The yuppies here at the golf course call the deer problem animals because they eat their flowers. Some of our counties consider deer problem animals and some don't.

From: Clydebow
Date: 10-Jan-22




For deer, I think there's a difference between hunting agricultural areas and food plots compared to walking out and placing corn, turnips, apples , etc in front of a blind or stand. The former can help deer thru the winter. The later is temporary.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




Just asked a question. No rules broken.

From: Ckelley2
Date: 10-Jan-22




When I had almost unlimited time to hunt I wouldn't do it....with a new job and the opportunity to hunt about 4-5 sits a year I enjoy the fact that baiting gives me a better chance to see animals. I simply don't have the time anymore to put boots on the ground to find them the way I once could. Ima bait for now and enjoy the few animals I see!

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




I baited you in George. lol

From: Red Beastmaster
Date: 10-Jan-22




Being from PA I was always against baiting, but I was never exposed to it.

Then I hunted javelina in Texas where corning a scendero is the rule. Hog camp in SC involves stillhunting the swamps and evening sits in a stand over a corn feeder. Hey, if that's how it's done I'll give it a try.

I wouldn't dream of dumping bait in front of my deer stand here at home but I'm not against baiting where legal and accepted.

From: soap creek
Date: 10-Jan-22




Maybe he needs a bigger stick to stir the pot.

From: [email protected]
Date: 10-Jan-22




I saw the title and had to check to make sure it was BS he's a masterbaiter....

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 10-Jan-22




Your a master at it. we

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




No pot stirring. I read the article and was just wondering what species were that some guys consider invasive. Me thinks they just make up what they want to bait. I am not afraid to ask the tough questions. I won't reveal who the hunter was or the mag but I did read it.

From: gradymaci Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




He's questions are always set-up to start trouble..He then acts like he has no clue what people are talking about and acts so innocent.He needs to just put his question in the search box and get his answer, but that would not satisfy his passion for division..

From: lost run
Date: 10-Jan-22




After seeing what happened to Keefers, I am against baiting.

From: Great Falls
Date: 10-Jan-22




It’s not legal here, nothing to think about.

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




Most animals natural behavior concentrates them in a the same location. When I hunt this is exactly what I scout for. A scrape, licking branch. Feed tree , apple tree. I never liked toting bait in but I am essentialy looking for a natural bait site where there's a concentration of sign. It's no longer legal in Michigan. I see nothing wrong with it.

From: TGbow
Date: 10-Jan-22




Whether you hunt over a planted food plot or a pile of corn, you're hunting over something that was planted or put there by man.

The difference is... in some states it can be legal or it may be illegal to hunt over bait. Anything put there that isnt natural is baiting but thats just my opinion. If its legal I dont have a problem with it.

From: groundhunter50
Date: 10-Jan-22




The anti baiters have never hunted Canada or parts far north,,,, I find alot of arrogant hunters on Leatherwall, that have no idea of what they are talking about, or live in a small world.

I have hunted several provinces in Canada, and they are all baited,,,,,

back in wis, I do not feel that it is needed,,,, of course I can put in all the food plots I want on my land,,,,

I do not plot to feed the song birds,,,,,,,

I am being honest, ny 83 year old neighbor had the DNR Swat team come down on him, after putting out 10 apples and some yuppie grouse hunter GPS in, this major crime

Our group defended him in court, where he paid a 10.00 court cost, instead of his 545.00 fine

We now set him up, with an ground blind on our property, and he can hunt till his heart is content

Oh by they way, it causes CWD, but when the state needs to shoot deer, they put out all the corn they want. You see, the state corn does not cause it, but an old guys apples do...

By the way, the warden was only doing his job, with orders from bureacrats that are jerks,,,,,

We love our wardens

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




It's a very valid discussion. It's being discussed frequently at the state level. There are many hunters who used baiting to get deer on the five acre piece they could hunt.

From: TGbow
Date: 10-Jan-22




I dont care to hunt with a compound or a crossbow. If I hunt with a gun its small game..even though I am a gun lover. Its not that I look down on anyone that hunts with those weapons because I support their right to do so. Same with baiting..4 yrs ago you would be ticketed if caught hunting over bait in Alabama..the difference is it was illegal 4 yrs ago.

From: A Tag
Date: 10-Jan-22




It is illegal in my state to bait deer and elk but bears are legal. I personally don’t have a problem with anybody baiting as long as it’s legal where they’re hunting. I feel that a lot of things I do as a hunter is legal baiting like, game calls, decoys, and scents. You can hunt by 4 apple trees but it’s a sin to move the apples to another location and hunt over them. Makes no since. It’s your hunt I don’t care what people do long as it’s legal in your state.

From: [email protected]
Date: 10-Jan-22




For the millionth time all deer hunting like all politics is local

From: hvac tech
Date: 10-Jan-22




Gradymaci said it best.

From: jjs
Date: 10-Jan-22




fought baiting in Wi for to no avail just like the x-gun/bow, hunted in the UP of Mi and it was bad, live in Mn now and baiting is illegal and it is alot better. Just hunt deer on a level playing field and it is more satisfying without stacking the deck.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Jan-22




As I've noted numberous times before, not everything that's legal is ethical and not everything that's ethical is legal. Baiting is a good way to kill critters, but it isn't hunting. On the other hand, so few people know how to hunt anyhmore that without baiting, wildlife populations would explode.

How's that, Babysaph? Pretty good troll?

From: grizz
Date: 10-Jan-22




groundhunter50, great post.

From: Kodaman
Date: 10-Jan-22




From: Dartwick
Date: 10-Jan-22




If you are hunting as a sportdman - I dont think its sporting.

If you were hunting because you were hungry 150 years ago - sure.

If you are hunting to remove nuisance animals - sure I might do it if legal.

From: Brad
Date: 10-Jan-22




It’s for people to lazy to hunt !

From: [email protected]
Date: 10-Jan-22




Rick Barbee?

From: monkeyball
Date: 10-Jan-22




I knew this guy once who baited a bunch of us........something about having a "New Traditional Shoot" at his place, we all got excited and then he left us hang.

Hmmmm, who was that?

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: Draven
Date: 10-Jan-22




In real world the predators always hunt the ground the prey is feeding or drinking. Here in the North baiting is allowed for predators - bears mostly in thd area I live. Nobody is baiting moose for exemple. As long as the baiting is allowed, go for it. I don’t think going in the woods and throwing around attractive food for the herbivores is the same with finding the place where the animals are feeding and preparing your ambush there. Yes, it’s maybe a small difference between the two, but one is beyond the natural opportunistic behaviour.

From: SteelyDan
Date: 10-Jan-22




In Alberta you can bait bear but not deer.

In British Columbia you can bait deer but not bears!

There appears to be no right or wrong.

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 10-Jan-22




“ For deer, I think there's a difference between hunting agricultural areas and food plots….”

Shoulda stoped right there!

Ag fields are put in place to feed a farmer’s family year ‘round, and they shoot deer to keep them off of ‘em.

Food plots are put in place by deer farmers to feed deer all ‘round, and they DON’T shoot the deer…. At least not til they’re “ripe”.

Just ethically, I have an issue with deliberately concentrating a Public resource onto Private property; it’s depriving the Public land hunters in that area (AND Private land hunters who choose NOT to use bait) of their full and fair opportunity to fill their tags, and Dat Ain’t Right.

Is baiting Sporting? That’s not a black and white thing. It’s certainly LESS sporting than maybe hunting SHOULD be… working on a looooooong continuum.

I would say that bait has no place (with the possible exclusion of bears) anywhere on Public land, though, because once again that is a privatization of a public resource… Not at all surprising that people get possessive of their bait piles, and things get bad enough with people staking out spots just by putting up tree stands that they have no intention of ever using.

From: Flinger1
Date: 10-Jan-22




All for it, if it’s legal

From: Bluefeather
Date: 10-Jan-22




I don't agree with it, seems to me that it is the opposite of hunting.

From: Wudstix Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Jan-22




Baiting is regional and cultural. I grew up in the North-East and it was illegal. Moved to Mid-west and it was illegal, but now is partially acceptable.(prior to the hunting season) Spent some time in Germany and things are differn3et there. Now live in Texas and the arid landscape make feeders almost mandatory. I still spot-n- stalk as much as I can, but in situations sit over a feeder. It is a personal decision and I'll leave it at that.

From: Brad Lehmann
Date: 10-Jan-22




I started out using bait for fish and it went downhill from there.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




So asking about baiting is off limits? I should have asked which is better. Left wing or right wing feathers. Or will 40 lbs kill a deer. I know I ask the tough questions. Just give your answer on what animals should be baited and which shouldn't.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




I think 4knoltz is right. It is local. In some areas it is ok to bait and some it is not. I also think it is animal specific. For some reason deer are off limits. I admit I hunted over water holes in AFrica. Not going to lie

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




I also just bought a farm here in Wv. The previous owner had food plots which I intend to keep going. I know I am a maggot but I am going to do it. We can not bait where I hunt but we can put in food plots. Go figure.

From: A Tag
Date: 11-Jan-22




I think babysaph this is a great thread. This I hope opens peoples eyes that things are not like there back yard. At least I hope it encourages people to try to think things are different in other parts of the country. I personally don’t judge. I’m not there so my opinion is based upon things I don’t understand.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




Didn't leave you hanging Monkeyball. I explained that the insurance was prohibitive. Check the archives as George suggests for past response. :)

From: Tine Tickler
Date: 11-Jan-22




Some people could'nt kill a deer or anything else without BAIT!!

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




I agree tine tickler but as long as it’s legal and regional based on what animals are ok to kill then it’s ok

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 11-Jan-22




...if you're a conformist.

From: Supernaut
Date: 11-Jan-22




I don't see anything wrong with babysaph asking the question. It's just a question, answer or don't.

I hunt in PA, always have. No baiting deer or bear here. I know guys that plant food plots on their land and that's legal. I never hunted anywhere where baiting was legal but I do plan on going on a black bear hunt that will be over bait. I might like it or I might not, don't know yet.

I don't understand the rhyme or reason some states use in determining what animals are OK to bait and which ones aren't. I think if it's legal then it's up to each hunter to make their own decisions on how they want to hunt.

From: GUTPILEPA
Date: 11-Jan-22




I think your allowed to bait in Pa as long as it's taken out a month before the season. I don't do but I'm not against it

From: Supernaut
Date: 11-Jan-22




Rick, I think you're right. I never baited except for fishing hooks so I'm not up on the regs. here in PA.

From: Bowlim
Date: 11-Jan-22




I never baited fishing hooks either. After mid teens I have not caught a fish on anything I didn't tie myself, unless fishing with kids, and quite a lot of those flies have been my own design.

I think it is fine if one isn't hunting, just harvesting game. I imagine it is fun too, and there is skill to it. But it isn't hunting. In baiting, the bear, or deer is doing the hunting. You are shooting, and normally a chip shot at that. That all sounds pretty ideal for harvesting though. And I am not just stirring the pot, but I think an Xgun would be a good idea. Let's get that meat on the pole, eliminate the wounding risk, and the challenge of moving during the draw, holding, and making a good shot with a stick.

I would bait for fish also, if I had the chance to fish exclusively for food. I was turning towards stripper fishing with hardware (if flies were not indicated), for food, but COVID slowed that plan down.

From: mudcat
Date: 11-Jan-22




Any hunting practice that can be debated amoung hunters (like us) is not going to fare well with the voting public.

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 11-Jan-22




From: Woods Walker
Date: 11-Jan-22




What bait would you use for stripper fishing? $50 bills? ;-)

From: soap creek
Date: 11-Jan-22




If it's legal, then it's a personal choice. What ever restrictions we put on ourselves (and the list could be lengthy) style of bows, tree stands, ground hunting, calls, lures etc... is up to the individual. Your satisfaction, sense of accomplishment will most likely be compared to the degree of difficulty. I hunt deer mostly but not exclusively from tree stands. I value a deer taken from the ground more than one taken from a tree stand. Just an example.

From: Blue Duck
Date: 11-Jan-22




All good points made. First, be legal. Baiting, both legal and illegal, is baked into the harvest limits. Second, do what you want. But if you bait heavily*, don’t brag about being a good hunter.

*By heavily, I mean enough to change the animals’ movement patterns. Personally, I’ll sometimes use a handful of corn (when legal) to hopefully make a deer stop, but often it doesn't work.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 11-Jan-22




In WI public forests baiting is the number one thing that screwed up deer hunting for everyone. Once the bait piles are out in force, the deer movement stops. Now we have wolves and xguns to really put the kibosh on hunting deer on public land in WI.

From: Wudstix Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




We used to set up stands along the edges and in the wooded stripes in soy bean fields and corn fields in Indiana. Is that baiting, as opposed to a barrel on stilts with a motor? Both habitualized the deer to come eat at the same spot every day.

From: HRhodes
Date: 11-Jan-22




I want to know more about this stripper fishing….

From: sir misalots
Date: 11-Jan-22




someone once asked me "do I fish with a bare hook"

I say if its legal then do what ever you want. Dont let others dicate what you do.

And no, ive never shot an animal over bait.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 11-Jan-22




LOL, I get a kick out of all those who say "If legal do what you want", LOL, Head in the sand people say this. When the bait piles dry up after our 9 day gun season, you start seeing deer, why? Magic? We have a muzzle loader season right after the 9 day gun season and many times during the gun I see 0 deer and during one day of ML see many deer. It can't be the effect of baiting, that does not affect anything???

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 11-Jan-22




If its legal do what you want.

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 11-Jan-22




I’ve fished where live bait for fish was viewed as unsporting and illegal.

From: MCNSC
Date: 11-Jan-22




I put corn out on my few acres behind the house to improve my chances of seeing deer . I don’t fool myself and consider it hunting though , cause it’s not. Wish our state had never legalized baiting, problem was they didn’t enforce it before it was legal. So you had the folk that didn’t care about breaking the law already baiting. It’s still illegal on public land but not uncommon to find where someone is baiting. Which changes the deer movement especially in years of low mast production.

From: fdp
Date: 11-Jan-22




I've fished where it was illegal to use live bait as well. And barbed hooks, and anything other than flies.

I've also hunted where it was legal to bait, and where it wasn't. Where it was legal to shoot antlerless deer and where it wasn't, where it was legal to shoot spikes and where it wasn't.

As mentioned, if it's legal follow your own conscience. Nobody else's really matters.

From: monkeyball
Date: 11-Jan-22




Baby, What was the title of your Traditional Shoot thread?

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: Wudstix Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




I've also hunted in places the rules wer "different". No bucks legal during archery season, had to take two does prior to a buck, mature bucks only (2 1/2 yo or 8 pt or 16" spread or better).

From: BS
Date: 11-Jan-22




Baiting is Harvesting, not Hunting! But a Great way to get [collect] jerky meat.

From: Saphead Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Jan-22




Animals HAVE to have water to live. I sit water sometimes. They do not have to have your pile of donuts or corn to live. Agree baiting is not hunting, it is waiting. Unless you hunt for a place to put your pile. :) I don't look down on it and use it for pigs.

From: Jarhead
Date: 11-Jan-22




With a rifle... hunting over a corn pile isn't all that fun for me anymore. With my recurve... ALL DAY LONG! I'm not a terribly sporting guy though... maybe when I retire and have unlimited time I'll redefine what I think is "about right" for me.

Everybody gets to define their own sportsmanship line. As long as it's legal... best to not really care too much about how another man defines his outdoor fun.

jar

From: MGF
Date: 11-Jan-22




"It's a very valid discussion. It's being discussed frequently at the state level. There are many hunters who used baiting to get deer on the five acre piece they could hunt."

That's the deal that most don't think about isn't it? Those that somehow have access to the plots of land where all the deer live and could sit down just about anyplace and get a shot at a deer in a few minutes are such snobs about somebody else's efforts to get a chance.

Deer hunting around here is like shooting fish in a barrel but only a select few have access to the barrel...and they think they're great hunters.

From: David McLendon
Date: 11-Jan-22




It would be a waste of time and money where I live. With the patchwork of hundreds of acres of oaks, soybeans and field corn left standing until after T'giving for miles, the only thing that would hit a corn pile would be the crows.

Add to that, in town in the neighborhoods about every third house has a broadcast feeder in their backyard because they like to see deer.

It's not uncommon to see a herd of a dozen or so deer cruising the subdivisions in the evenings hitting all the feeders and thrown apples. Those people take most of the subdivision deer with the front of their cars. It's safer to drive in the country at night than in town.

From: Ollie Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Jan-22




Difficult to answer as there are so many variables. People out west have a tendency to disapprove. They hunt areas with wide open vistas where spot and stalk can be readily practiced. Contrast a bear hunt in the western Rockies with one in The brush of eastern Canada where your visibility may be measured in feet rather than miles. Not equivalent. In some areas the brush is so thick and nasty that bait stations are needed to draw game out of the dense thickets. Some species like feral hogs are not wanted and hunters are encouraged to kill them on sight with few if any restrictions on how you do it. I much prefer stand hunting along trails and natural feeding areas as well as spot and stalk but recognize in some places this style of hunting is just not very feasible.

From: todd Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Jan-22




I think it is sad that we have come to the point where "baiting" and "game cams" have replaced actual woodsmanship and hunting. Now, that being said I live in Central Illinois, where it is a mecca for agriculture. I think that if one wants to do it right and supplement a wild animal diet to ensure they thrive without hurting the population, that is the right thing to do. The issue is when people start doing it to "corral" the animals, and/or start making a profit, then they loose sight of the right thing to do for the animal. Then it begin to come into negative light. I have hunted other states that do not have the huge fields that I do, and have had no issue with harvesting game, by using woodsmanship and paying attention. Will the animals be and "big", No, does this mean the hunt or the animal was anymore of a challenge, nope. I think we need to be conversationalist first, hunters second. Need to get back to the hunt is what matters, not size, not rack. Again, as long as we are doing what is right for the animals first, then we are ahead and fullfilling our stewardship. Just my opinion.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




Lots of different answers. Seems it is up the the individual to decide.

From: Aeronut
Date: 11-Jan-22




I know several guys that say they are against baiting but then plant a 1/2 acre food plot to hunt over. What's the difference??

I try to keep a small mineral lick active to benefit the animals but I don't hunt over it.

From: Sasquatch73
Date: 11-Jan-22




It sells a lot of corn feeders. Another money grab. Last time I looked corn was $8-9 a bag too. During the rut is even a good time to drive around at night and hit deer with your old beat up vehicle. But use something with good gas mileage these days. :))

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




Like I said everyone has their own idea on it. I am no opposed to it but it is illegal here. I also don't think it matters about the specie being baited. If You can spot and stalk for one animal you can spot and stalk for another.

From: Bjrogg
Date: 11-Jan-22




I don’t think it matters what I think. I don’t think it matters what someone else thinks.

It matters what the people who make and enforce the rules think. Not sure it has to make any sense, but it matters.

Bjrogg

From: gluetrap
Date: 11-Jan-22




as long as you are legal aint nobodys business jmo

From: reddogge
Date: 11-Jan-22




Baby, your next post could be "What do you think of game cameras that send a photo to your phone?" Just trying to help.

From: GLF
Date: 11-Jan-22




I like to hunt. But then I also don't shoot rabbits in my garden or squirrels off my bird feeders either. Each person has his own ethics or definition of hunting. If its legal it's your choice.

From: [email protected]
Date: 11-Jan-22




Q: are the baiters vaccinated?

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 11-Jan-22




"Q: are the baiters vaccinated?"

Mike - You're a HOOT !!! :-D

Rick

From: Yellah Nocks
Date: 11-Jan-22




So, here in Maine, baiting is illegal, except for bear. You cannot put out even one apple for deer, but it is Perfectly legal to put up a stand next to an apple tree that is dropping that red candy in one spot. This is so laughable I try not to think about it while hunting because when I do I occasionally laugh out loud. Of course Maine is known for its wild apple trees. My job is simply to pick the one they are hitting most often and lately. Of course illnesses would NEVER THINK of spreading under them wild trees, right? I have a funny theory. If a technique was good enough for native peoples to use, then is that not good enough or traditional enough to use now? Things that make you go, "hmmmm!"

From: FredT
Date: 11-Jan-22




No way baiting is hunting.

No record Org should post or include kills from baiting states. I think we will see this move to the forefront of hunting before long!

Only way i see baiting hunting is for over populated species or nuisance types. I will say that in large wild areas there can be a use for baiting hunting as a tool to keep apex species in a healthy balance.

We are representative people who pick folks to represent us. If you have no opinion and would just push an issue others you may really be surprised with what you end up with.

Stay Stretching String my Friends

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 11-Jan-22




The more the food sources, the more spread out the deer.

From: sagebrush
Date: 11-Jan-22




I'm running out of popcorn ,its for me not the critters,carry on

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Jan-22




Yellah: At least you need to look/hunt for the best apple tree. With bait, you just throw it out there and the critters find you.

From: JusPassin
Date: 11-Jan-22




We are not subsistence hunters, oh we may eat the critters we kill but we are doing it for "sport" whatever that means to you. I can't believe anyone on here hunts to survive like the NA did. There are way too many food banks available for that to be true. So, that being said does baiting fall under the definition of "fair chase"? To me normally it does not.

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 11-Jan-22




I've never asked for anyone else's opinion on such topics. Just did my thing. And you should just go do yours, walk your own path... without the input of others, before OR after the fact. Try it. It's liberating.

From: PhantomWolf
Date: 11-Jan-22




Yellah, so true about the wild trees! There are so many it's mind blowing and I'd say challenging trying to pick a "good spot".

From: Brad
Date: 11-Jan-22




It’s human nature to take the easy way....the entire premise of our chosen path, is to challenge ourselves- I just don’t get it ?

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 11-Jan-22




Brad said: "I just don’t get it ?"

And there in lies the differences of opinion.

It's all about where you are hunting.

I wasn't going to get drawn into this debate again, BUT

I have no problem with baiting (anything), if that is what I have to do to get them in my hunting area.

Around here, if you don't bait you won't see a deer, unless you trespass & poach one from a neighbors feeder. :-D

I'd much rather NOT have to put out feeders, because it's expensive, and a pain in the butt to have to keep up with.

I'm very adept at spot & stalk, or scouting for ambush hunting, and love doing it when & where I can.

Unfortunately I don't have access to a place to hunt where deer run back & forth across the property like squirrels. :-)

Public lands to hunt are mostly a long way from me, and the couple that are close enough to be relatively affordable are overrun with idiots.

Those of you who haven't hunted over a feeder in Texas would get a real education (the hard way) on how easy "it isn't". I guarantee you that. :-)

Rick

From: Nrthernrebel05
Date: 11-Jan-22




I personally would not hunt over a bait. Just how I feel. If legal. I respect the right of the people to do it. But what really pisses me off are the lowlifes that do it when it isn’t legal.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 11-Jan-22




We can bait for deer in selected counties but can't kill bears over bait. All the bears in WV that are killed are all spot and stalk. LOL

From: FredT
Date: 11-Jan-22




You will see more and more states ban game camera’s as well.

Fredo

From: r.grider
Date: 11-Jan-22




I hate baiting. If your neighboring farms bait, and you don’t, then you sit and watch the trees. It’s expensive, unnatural, an eyesore, and creates a depency on wildlife that I just don’t like. Would rather spend that money and time on habitat improvement. I also fear that it more easily transmits diseases. No states seem to outlaw it until it creates disease problems. In Kentucky it is legal, and widely practiced, to the point we have about two generations that don’t know how to hunt deer without it. That saddens me.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 11-Jan-22




I should add to my above statement:

Our family farm is actually a very good place to hunt without baiting.

Spot & Stalk isn't really a viable option, because of all the rifle hunting trigger happy family who also hunt the property

Setting up for ambush is productive, and I have done it occasionally. I just scout out a good spot, set up on it with the ghillie suit, and set very VERY still.

The setting Very Still is as much to keep from getting shot as it is to keep from getting seen by the animals. LOL

Rick

From: r.grider
Date: 11-Jan-22




As far as the “It’s no different than ag fields, food plots ,or acorn trees” ,I hate that argument, because it is. Bait puts you within feet of targeted animals, fields ,food plots, oaks could be hundreds of yards. Baiting takes the hunt skills out of it.

From: Brian Phillips
Date: 11-Jan-22




I am fortunate to have permission to hunt a very nice piece of property. Seeing deer was a very frequent occurrence. Then, a guy down the road started feeding deer. Now, I rarely see deer. That's how it has affected me, and others who hunt adjoining land. This is hilly woodland, so I guess the deer were happy to relocate to a steady, abundant food source.

From: fdp
Date: 11-Jan-22




Most folks who hunt food plots and fields position their stands over the trails the deer use to enter and exit the field or food plot.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 11-Jan-22




"Bait puts you within feet of targeted animals, fields ,food plots, oaks could be hundreds of yards."

So, do you just pick a spot on those food plots, or fields "willy nilly", and hope for the best, or do you scout the animals, and find the trails where they enter & leave them for your spots?

If you do the latter, then you also are within feet of the targeted animals a lot of the time. :-)

The latter is exactly how I hunt using the ghillie suit, and I have killed lots more animals up close within feet (single digits), than I have hunting from a blind on a feeder.

Rick

From: Brad
Date: 11-Jan-22




I guess we are all different; when I started bowhunting in 1975, I really wanted to “get” a deer. After many years , I hunt, to have hunted. Filling tags and putting meat in the freezer, doesn’t mean anything to me. I just want to not compromise my personal code of ethics, just because it’s legal. If you spend time in the woods, you will see deer...and you “win”. I guess I shouldn’t condem a guy for wanting to eat some delicious venison. I hope everyone finds what they are after, while enjoying the great outdoors.

From: r.grider
Date: 11-Jan-22




Yes, I hunt for the trails entering these fields, and position myself within close range of one or more trails. That’s hunting ! It still does not guarantee the animals will enter at that point. Any field has MULTIPLE access points, and a pretty good chance if you don’t study, watch, scout, play the wind, pattern the deer, you won’t get a shot. You will never convince me, setting up next to a corn pile is anywhere near the challenge hunting an ag field, or even a 1 acre food plot is remotely the same. There are hundreds of places even on a small food plot out of range of a Bowhunter. It’s just the weakest argument ever. There is a reason people spend money baiting, to make it easier, and increase success rates. PERIOD. If someone likes to bait, and it’s legal, fine, but don’t try the baiting is no different than food plots line, because it ain’t. I promise you I could get a 10 yard shot on a deer tomorrow night if I chose to sit over a feeder. That’s not hunting, it’s harvesting. It makes every big buck photo with a smiling Bowhunter suspect to me. I Bowhunter a couple years before a friend put me on a corn pile, and I proceeded to kill deer after deer, as well as squirrels, until I started to feel guilty about it, quit doing it, and had to work MUCH harder for every kill, then started hunting public land and upped the ante even more. If I really wanted to ensure success, to fill the freezer, then I would go back to baiting.The last 8 years my grandson (14) has killed enough deer to more than keep us in meat, so, I limit my hunting, to hunting. Turns out I have changed from hunter to processor, as he really lays them out ! Lol.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 11-Jan-22




Randy, I respect your experiences, as well as those of others.

I personally, have found it much easier to get close to, and kill animals when hunting from ambush with no bait, because they have no reason to be on alert.

If I scout, and figure out where they are coming/going (fence crossings are my favorite), then do my part of concealment, they are in trouble when I'm there. I just don't get the opportunity to do it as often as I would like.

Also, animals do not always come to the bait/feeders, and those that come often are constantly on high alert when they do. Unless you really REALLY know what you are doing when going in/coming out, and while there, you won't see anything, because they'll circle you, and leave before you ever know they are near.

Unless you are baiting somewhere where they have no other food source they come / go no different than they do to any other source of food.

That's the way it is here. May be different other places, but I don't know.

My experiences.

Rick

From: Jerry Gille
Date: 11-Jan-22




Would never hunt anything over bait personally. Not the rodeo I am looking for at all. Hope it never comes to Illinois. I'd rather never kill anything than hunt over bait. No way - no how.

From: bluej
Date: 11-Jan-22




U find trails to food sources, u guys never cease to amaze me!

From: bluej
Date: 11-Jan-22




U find trails to food sources, u guys never cease to amaze me!

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




That is what I do FDP. I will post the deer I am going to kill in our late 4 day season hunting over these trails coming into winter wheat fields

From: heftyhunter
Date: 12-Jan-22




No skill in baiting

From: [email protected]
Date: 12-Jan-22




I grew up in the 1940-1950 and killed my first deer in the UP, 1962, of Michigan in the big hard woods. Baiting? what was that back then? Years later, Food for baiting deer became an Michigan industry at every gas station and small town in the upper parts of Michigan bait was for sale by the ton to be placed in piles as high as your head and higher. Never liked that idea at all. Fast forward to present, ie, Colorado, NO baiting allowed. Love the idea, and one can not even develop a food plot to attract wildlife. I am all for hunting animals in a natural setting. Baiting?, not for me.

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 12-Jan-22




What do I think of baiting?

Worked well on this thread! Trolling works better with bait! LOL!

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 12-Jan-22




gradymaci and monkeyball X 2!

From: bluesman
Date: 12-Jan-22




Babysaph , if your brains were dynamite , there wouldn’t be enough to blow your hat off … lol

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 12-Jan-22




Off the baiting topic, but still on the hunting ethics topic.

I just read a story on a site called “ FIELD ETHOS” THE GLOBAL HUNT FOR ADVENTURE”

The writer hunted bear and early in the season Found what he thought would make a nice bear den. After hunting all season without killing a bear. he remembers the den, goes back and there is a bear in the hole. The bear wakes and he kind of brags about making sure there were no Cubs and shoots the bear in the head. He doesn’t mention which state or Provence. I guess technically he didn’t shoot the bear in the den. it came out after he woke it. Is this legal in any state? He shot it on Christmas Eve if that helps narrow down which states are still hunting bears till Christmas Day Legal or not, in my opinion it’s not fair chase.

From: DanaC
Date: 12-Jan-22




Why is that not 'fair chase'? Did he not scout the bears' potential location and travel pattern? Make sure of his quarry?

From: Yunwiya
Date: 12-Jan-22




Place corn underground, wait, then harvest corn. Place corn above ground, wait, then harvest deer.

From: monkeyball
Date: 12-Jan-22




In Pennsylvania it is illegal to kill a bear in it's den. Most bear in PA are still foraging for food during our Bear season, especially the relatively new bow seasons, so the act of killing one its den is probably a rare occurrence, but it is illegal.

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: JHP
Date: 12-Jan-22




Baiting makes killing an animal easier. Why would so many go thru the cost and effort? It takes hunting out of the equation.

From: Dartwick
Date: 12-Jan-22




I do not consider any plant that actually grew where is to be baiting. To me it seems like an obvious distinction. Growing food vs importing it.

I have issues with deer farming - but they are separate from my feeling on baiting.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 12-Jan-22




For deer hunting, it screws up the hunting for all in the area. That is my biggest issue. I don't care if they are lazy and do not want to put effort into there hunting, but it screws up the deer movement so bad it is a joke. These people sit and stare at that pile of bait every day. Most I see shot off them are yearlings and fawns in Northern WI. I'm sure you can hit a good buck off them during the rut scent checking, but I would rather hunt than just kill.

From: fdp
Date: 12-Jan-22




Deer movement is deer movement. Many things affect it our side of someone using baiting tactics.

From an unusual number of people in the woods to logging operations, and so on.

And if a neighboring property is using baiting techniques to lure deer from an adjacent property, it is usually not that difficult to find the travel corridors from one property to the other and set up on those. The process is the same as locating travel corridors from a bedding area to a stand of White Oaks.

Not a lot of tracts of land are large enough that they offer all of the things that deer require to live. They typically travel.

Not always, but most of the time.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




Maybe Bluesman. It’s the attorney in me. No left wing right wing or is 40 pounds enough deer threads for me. Haters going to hate lol

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




Maybe Bluesman. It’s the attorney in me. No left wing right wing or is 40 pounds enough deer threads for me. Haters going to hate lol

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




I actually don’t like it. My wife would kill me anyway if I baited animals. My point of this whole thread was in response to the article I read. I find it funny that’s some feel it’s ok for some species but no others because “that’s how they do it some places”. “It’s the only way to kill animals in some places”. Lol

From: Saphead Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 12-Jan-22




I would never sit in a tree. Its not hunting its waiting. :) Not really, I have thousands of frequent higher miles saved up.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




It’s funny but we have farmers that have a big side business selling corn to hunters in 100 lb bags. And in counties where there is no baiting. Big business. Are those farmers maggots? Lol

From: Kevin Dill
Date: 12-Jan-22




Bait users are often called lazy. Not true in many cases. There's always the stereotype guy who buys some commercial bait and throws it around his treestand. The guys who really bait seriously are often burning more calories afield than imagined. Trips to the feed store. Unload and store bait. Load and transport bait to selected sites. Load feeders (maybe) or spread bait. Run cameras. Set up stands or blinds. Keep it all going during the season. I know they're working harder than I am for sure.

I personally don't care for the aesthetics of baiting animals. I've never hunted deer over bait, but bears...yes. It is a form of hunting to me...a tactic...just one I don't happen to like for myself. I live on a farm and could bait deer to exactly the right places for a kill. I could farm for deer. I wouldn't blame anyone who decided to do it. I won't spend the money....won't put out the effort. I simply like hunting where deer movement is not the result of artificially placed deer bait.

From: DanaC
Date: 12-Jan-22




You sure they ain't making shine? ;-)

From: monkeyball
Date: 12-Jan-22




Guys that do bait where legal......have you ever tried roasted soybeans?

You can find them at a lot of feed mills, much more protein (x5) than corn and not a whole lot more in dollars.

Better for the deer if you are going to be feeding them anyhow. Just a thought.

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: JusPassin
Date: 12-Jan-22




"haters going to hate", what the hell does that even mean? Sounds like part of a "woketards" vocabulary.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 12-Jan-22




[[[ monkeyball: "Guys that do bait where legal......have you ever tried roasted soybeans?" ]]]

Not roasted, but I do use a brand of feed, that is a mix of corn, and soybean.

The only thing that pays attention to just corn in this country are the squirrels, and pigs.

Mix soybean with the corn, and the deer will eat it. Corn by itself they hardly touch.

Rick

From: Uncle Lijiah
Date: 12-Jan-22




In Missouri, you can put out feed for deer but you have to stop feeding for 10 days prior to hunting that spot. Mineral blocks are not baiting unless they're spiked with a food product. Hunting over a picked grain field isn't baiting unless you add to it. Hunting over a small food plot isn't baiting. Using deer lures isn't baiting.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 12-Jan-22




We have bird feeders and a water fountain with heater in it to keep it from freezing. Every bird in the neighborhood knows it. Deer come in at night. Coons, skunks, turkeys, even elk have come in. No feed, no water, no birds, - no critters.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 12-Jan-22




We have bird feeders and a water fountain with heater in it to keep it from freezing. Every bird in the neighborhood knows it. Deer come in at night. Coons, skunks, turkeys, even elk have come in. No feed, no water, no birds, - no critters.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 12-Jan-22




That was me. Sorry.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 12-Jan-22




"Bait users are often called lazy. Not true in many cases. There's always the stereotype guy who buys some commercial bait and throws it around his treestand. The guys who really bait seriously are often burning more calories afield than imagined. Trips to the feed store. Unload and store bait. Load and transport bait to selected sites. Load feeders (maybe) or spread bait. Run cameras. Set up stands or blinds. Keep it all going during the season. I know they're working harder than I am for sure."

You needed to add "clue every deer in the area not to move till dark by going in all the time putting human scent down"

From: tradmt
Date: 12-Jan-22




I don’t think it’s fair chase hunting but I think babysaph is a master baiter. ;)

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




Is a mock scrape a tactic or baiting. By definition scent is a lure getting a animal to go somewhere it wouldn't have gone otherwise. Bait is a good way to shoot a young deer. Also I can't tell you how many times I have talked to two neighbors on adjacent property who swore up and down they weren't seeing any deer because of the other guys baiting practices. Of course it's not because they hunted the same stand 20 day's in a row.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




Might be Dana C lol. That’s illegal too.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




Haters going to hate. Means some people will find anything to bitch about. They hate life. They hate their life. They enjoy hating. What does Woke mean? Lol. I woke up this morning. You can’t pass up one of my threads without saying something nasty. Lol.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




And what is a woketard? You are sounding like a hater. Lol

From: FredT
Date: 12-Jan-22




I killed a ton of deer with single string in this spot. Creek bottom with a big ridge above, few houses up there. I always saw deer on trails heading this way at last light. I would slide in there and sit in a bunch of rock ledge and deer would pour out this bottom. Killed deer hand over fist in here. One day i walk to to of ridge and it was a HSUS house owner feeding critters hundreds of pounds of corn, beans, etc. they had corn cribs made out of wire racks n a culinder on tables with ear cron. Was like a zoo feed station.

I stopped hunting the place after that. Like killing Pavlov’s pet deer. No gair chase in that. Deer just plowed along trails to get to the chow first.

Bait states removal from PY and BC books

FredO

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




Please be civil

From: Missouribreaks
Date: 12-Jan-22




More food on the landscape is never a bad thing, it keeps animals from congregating.

From: scndwfstlhntng Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




One of the issues just not appreciated in areas outside of the East coast is the small size of many available hunting properties. It is all well and good when a hunter can look for natural travel areas and "go to where the deer are". When limited to a much smaller property that does not hold deer, it becomes a do or don't bother situation. If neighboring properties are laying down corn , then that speaks for itself. It is just another version of the reality of the available hunting land characteristics. An earlier post made the reference to javelina hunting in Texas where the roads are baited with corn in order to get the animals out of the nearly impenetrable brush. When it comes down to bait or don't bother to go out, the ethics just have to be adjusted. I hate to venture down the slippery slope of "situation ethics", but I guess that is what it is.

From: pondscum2
Date: 12-Jan-22




i wouldn't bat an eye hunting hogs that way. kill them all, let none escape alive! i have no interest in hunting bears, although i enjoy seeing them while hunting. other folks can do whatever the law (or their conscience) allows. really ticks me off to see a feeder in the background in a hunting video though. that might be why i no longer watch them...ditto folks dressed in the latest/greatest camo sitting in a blind where @#$%$^# Bozo the Clown could not be seen by anything outside...

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 12-Jan-22




Until you've been immersed for a while in someone else's situation, and circumstance, you have zero idea of their necessities, or their abilities.

I could cite many (personally witnessed) such instances (specifically where hunting is concerned), where that statement is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

The hostility displayed here is astounding.

Looking down your nose at someone in an effort to discredit them does just the opposite 99% of the time, and this topic isn't one of the 1% exceptions.

Rick

From: Kevin Dill
Date: 12-Jan-22




Many, MANY years ago I owned 2 spin feeders. I had them hanging from big tree branches behind our home, where we could watch deer show up and eat. Viewing deer was the only reason to have the feeders and I never hunted near them. I checked them every few days and hauled feed (corn/oats mixture) to them regularly. It was fairly amazing how rapidly the deer adapted to feeding there, and how they were not spooky. These were completely wild deer on our (at the time) 90 acre farm. I used to experiment by intentionally leaving human scent around...lots of it...to see how they reacted. The mature does would hang back a few minutes and them wade right in to feed. I think I burned through nearly 2+ tons of feed over the winter. My wife loved it....not the feed ...watching the deer.

From: Andy Man
Date: 12-Jan-22




for me personally -it would be like conditioning a dog to come for a treat

I wouldn't enjoy it as hunting

thats just me for my area

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




I have one at my cabin also near the front porch. My wife watches the deer eat of it and sends me pics of them while I am up on the mt. they even come up on the porch for the feed in the bag. They are like pets

From: Boomer
Date: 12-Jan-22

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I’m in Rick’s camp. Walk a mile in some else’s knee high rubber boots. If you hunt, regardless of what weapon you use, I’m on your team. Too many antis to argue amongst ourselves. Just my 2 cents…..

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




I totally agree with you guys. What I don't like is that guys decide baiting sucks for certain animals. I will admit I have hunted over bait in Canada and over water holes in Africa. So I would feel like a hypocrite saying baiting is bad. So do what you want. For deer where I hunt it is not needed and in fact most of the deer are nocturnal except for the yearlings so it is a waste of time.

From: Woods Walker
Date: 12-Jan-22




Let's see...a 100 cornfield has approximately a little over a mile and a half of edge that deer can enter it from. A corn pile has at most 40 feet. The same thing? LOL! Not even close!

I have no problem with someone using a legal hunting method...as long as it doesn't impact MY hunting. I live in Illinois where baiting is not legal. I do have friends who live in other states (New Jersey being one of them) where baiting is now legal and their experience is that it has impacted their hunting quite a bit.

From: Beginner
Date: 12-Jan-22




Hunted elk in Western Washington State and the cover was so thick we saw very few elk. Baiting was legal and may be the only way to get a shot. We didn't bait but might if I hunt Washington again.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 12-Jan-22




You can do ok hunting for bucks without bait in my experience because they mostly hit the bait after dark when you can not hunt. However I can see where it would pull deer near the bait. Its a slippery slope but if a guy has land and it is legal then he may do it and not much you can do about it. They should just make it illegal but here in WV there would not be many deer killed and they want dead deer. So in most counties they let em bait. And it the farmers here would complain because they make big money off of it. I have my own land and don't bait so I just go hunt and take what I get.

From: Bjrogg
Date: 13-Jan-22




After reading 166 replies my thought is it’s another thing to divide us.

I still say it doesn’t matter what I think. I don’t worry about what anyone else thinks. If it’s legal which it was only a few years ago here. I feel it’s a personal choice. I have hunted over bait in the past. I have never taken a animal over it , but I did enjoy watching them. I preferred setting up ambush to hunt them coming or leaving. For my style of hunting I prefer a single animal that isn’t spooky.

Around here the deers patterns change constantly. They are more effected by crops and their availability than baiting. By the start of youth hunt. To the beginning of gun season people and the seasons change their habits to suit their survival needs. Probably no bigger change of patterns than the difference from opening day gun to the second day of gun.

I have said it before and I honestly mean it. I’m not some great hunter. I don’t have much time for it and honestly sometimes when I do I’m just plain tired and find myself just wanting to snuggle up close to my wife.

I try hard not to judge others or push my self imposed rules on anyone else. Yes sometimes I daydream about how cool it would be if everyone hunted this way, but the truth is it’s not for everyone. It’s in fact a very small group that even try it and a smaller group that stick with it.

I do think it matters what the people who make and enforce the rules think.

My grandpa was a wise man. Schooled in life. He was certainly a law abiding citizen.

One of the things I remember him saying the most.

“The more laws you have, the more outlaws you have. “

Another one. “Be careful what you wish for”

I know there are well organized groups who would love to make those rules.

If I’m a hater. It’s hating to see us divided and allowing them to make those rules

Bjrogg

From: monkeyball
Date: 13-Jan-22




Agree Bjrogg, Here is another great "Words of wisdom" by someones father.......

"When life gets you downed you can't seem to get away from it all, you need to get around a campfire. It'll clear your thoughts and relieve the stress in your life."

I think we all need to get around the campfire...........

Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: George D. Stout
Date: 13-Jan-22




Lots to things to fret about in life, if fretting is your friend, but there are more things to just let go and not worry about at all. The best advice from someone's father or mother...or some other person was, "don't worry about things you can't control". Well, that's a fact, since worrying is no solution, and it won't change anything except the one worrying. Do what you can to affect what will better your life and happiness, and dismiss that crap you have no control over.

I know what I consider hunting and that is good enough for me. There will always be someone who can justify just about anything whether it's a legal thing or not and in their mind I suppose that's valid. For me to worry about that is just flat-out stupid, I've got better things to tend to. :)

From: fdp
Date: 13-Jan-22




Probably going to be a camp fire at my house tomorrow night and maybe a pot of beans in the coals.

Ya'll are welcome.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 13-Jan-22




Worrying is largely based on the fear of the unknown. Whatever happens, happens. You WILL deal with it, just as you always do.

From: Bjrogg
Date: 13-Jan-22




There’s just nothing like a good campfire.

I don’t think that’s a accident.

Bjrogg

From: Vanhethof
Date: 13-Jan-22




A lot of good responses here. Although squarely in the camp of Woods Walker, I see and better understand other points of view when they are presented in a reasonable, constructive matter. Therefore, many thanks to babysaph, Woods Walker, Bjrogg, George D. Stout, Rick Barbee, fdp, etc. and all the others too numerous to list.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 13-Jan-22




Related, I'm a hardcore fly fisherman. I started fishing in the early '60s using bait, and still use bait on occasion where legal. If someone wants to use bait where it's legal, more power to them. That's their choice and I respect that.

From: Bjrogg
Date: 13-Jan-22




Strange. When I grew up fishing with artificial lures was something you did if you didn’t want to get your hands dirty looking for worms. And worse yet I took the fish home for my mom to cook. Just a stick, a string, a bobber and a hook. And a can of worms.

Bjrogg

From: Uncle Lijiah
Date: 13-Jan-22




I prefer to set up and hunt in a random spot in the woods. When I scouted and located active food sources, scrapes, rub lines, bedding areas & interconnecting trails and set up accordingly, I felt it gave me an unsporting advantage. (just joking!) I say to each his own as long as its a legal method.

From: Greenstyk
Date: 13-Jan-22




Just my opinion. Pouring out a pile of corn and then sitting over it is not hunting.

From: Two Feathers
Date: 13-Jan-22




Bait piles work. It's like putting cheese or peanut butter in a mouse trap. The deer will come. It amazes me how much corn is sold at the gas stations alone in non baiting counties here in Wis.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 13-Jan-22




same here two feathers.

From: MGF
Date: 14-Jan-22




"Strange. When I grew up fishing with artificial lures was something you did if you didn’t want to get your hands dirty looking for worms. And worse yet I took the fish home for my mom to cook. Just a stick, a string, a bobber and a hook. And a can of worms. Bjrogg"

With some overlap or exceptions fishing with bait is almost a different sport or activity. It's kind of like the difference between playing football or playing basketball. They're both ball games but they are very different activities and very different experiences.

From: Bowlim
Date: 14-Jan-22




I only fly fished from about 16 to 62. A few exceptions, a few hours over the 46 years. I got fascinated by flies from a liquor commercial in some magazine. I actually found a some I tied way back then out of junk around the house.

I asked my uncles who lived in NB, where there is atlantic salmon fishing, and they sorta explained it to me. By then I was ice and rock climbing, so the idea of doing something the easy way didn't appeal to me. But the main thing was living in a big city in a cold country there was way more time to think about fishing that actually do it. Fly fishing has a far better literature, and fly tying fills in the long winters.

All the BS about fly fishing being stuck up, never made any sense to me. The lunch bucket crew, all fly fished in NB, and they bought their tackle and the Tire Corporation. If dynamite had been traditional they might have used that instead. Fly fishing was just the local technique somewhere. It is so efficient it was fly fishermen who invented catch and release.

From: Bowlim
Date: 14-Jan-22




"After reading 166 replies my thought is it’s another thing to divide us."

Really. People are divided, that is the way it is. I don't think this is a new idea. Someone posts a thread and the hunting community splits down the middle? People have already heard about baiting.

Plus the idea we are split is probably not true. It would be rare to have someone decide to not vote for, or vote against, hunting, who was a hunter, because someone happened to bait. And we would all vote for hunting. I would vote against baiting in my region, but the game department never asks us anyway. I can't think of a single thing about baiting that has an effect on the big picture of support for hunting.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Jan-22




Fishing with bait is traditional

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 14-Jan-22




Agree Bowlin

From: Verdeburl
Date: 14-Jan-22




Where I live its illegal and due to living where I due I also reside in a CWD management area. That means no supplements placed on the ground all year. For my defined set of ethics I will not use or hunt over bait for deer. However in many places it can be legally done. I will not attempt to define the ethics of others if they are baiting and they are obeying the laws as outlined by their game management agency where they are hunting.The opinions on this subject always tend to stir up some lively discussions. I recently had a discussion with an 84 year old man who hunted pretty hard in his lifetime, and his perspectives on the subject were worthy of me listening to. He told me —A lot has changed through the years. Newer technologies and ideas in gear. He told me that for him anything placed on the ground to include crops planted for non harvest or non human consumption with the sole purpose to attract, hold game and supplement an animals diet drastically changes natural animal travel payand he is against it, but understands that is a definition defined by himself and doesn’t reflect how others may feel. Our conversation was tactful and non heated. They view points vary throughout the geographical locations where game is hunted. For me as long as game laws are being followed I’ll leave it up to the individual to define the ethics of baiting for themselves and interject un-needed nasty comments on the subject.

From: Verdeburl
Date: 14-Jan-22




My spelling errors-sorrt. Also meant to say I will NOT interject nasty un-needed comments on the subject

From: Bjrogg
Date: 15-Jan-22




That’s pretty much my thoughts to. I have more concerns about what it does to divide us than how it effects my hunting.

It’s been ages since I drowned a worm. Honestly I don’t really even know what the whole bait no bait for fishing is all about. I just know when I started fishing as a kid we used cane poles. No reel. Just a place to wrap our string. A sinker that was usually a old nut or washer. A bobber and a hook. And a can of worms we dug up ourselves. We fished in the gravel pits which were well populated with small bass. Probably over populated as I don’t remember any larger predator fish there at the time. When we caught a fish. We gutted it right away and used the inners for bait. This usually brought a instant and aggressive strike. We always ate our fish. I remember when my dad got a zebco 33, a tackle box and a Red Devil artificial lure.

My opinion may or may not be that sitting over a pile of corn is hunting or not. I don’t think it should matter. I’m sure the DNR would think it was. It does matter what the people who make and enforce the rules think. I’m sure they would consider it hunting .

Just a few years ago they would have considered it legal hunting as long as it wasn’t more than 2 1/2 gallons. Now they would consider it illegal hunting.

No one asked me or gave me a vote.

We usually don’t lose our rights one huge step at a time. It’s incremental little changes. They may not even effect us. We may even welcome them until suddenly they aren’t our opinions.

What bothers me most is they just don’t seem like they have to make since.

Example. Our muzzle loader season started as a new season muzzle loader only. After several years they allowed in line modern loaders. Now I’m told in our zone we can use any gun that we can legally use during gun season.

This really doesn’t effect me directly. I don’t have a muzzle loader. I understand though, if I had a 450 bushmaster that I could use it. I just don’t understand how we go from point A to point B on that one. Thinking there has to be a different goal than the original one.

Once again. No one asked me . I didn’t get a vote. And it really doesn’t matter what my opinion is because the people who make and enforce the rules think that they should now allow these weapons in our muzzle locations season.

Also making baiting illegal doesn’t seem to stop it. They still sell corn, carrots and apples at all the gas stations and party stores. I’m sure some of my neighbors and friends still use bait. Some of them don’t even hunt, but here that still doesn’t make it legal. I’m not going to turn them in. They are otherwise good law abiding citizens and their relationships mean more to me than how much my hunting is effected.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t discuss these topics. But I do think we need to be civil and remember others are reading them to. Some with much different goals than ours.

Not trying to anger anyone. Really exactly the opposite

Bjrogg

From: Dave Lay Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Jan-22




I personally don’t hunt over bait , it took me several years to bow kill a bear here in Ark without bait, when probably 90% of our bears are killed over bait . Nothing wrong with it, just a personal choice, I had to burn a lot of boot leather and time, but finally got it done. I have gun hunting friends that only know hunting over bait, they set a corn feeder in a area where they can see a long ways with no regard to surrounding natural feed or cover and sit in their box blind. If the feeder is out of corn, they won’t sit there. That’s not hunting, that’s just shooting. During “archery” season, The same people sit in a ladder stand or pop up blind over a feeder with their crossbow Might as well press the easy button. . We are creating a generation of people who only know how to sit over a corn feeders and that’s my biggest issue with baiting. I will add that baiting is only legal on private land, but I find alot of it going on in our national forests as well….

From: Ludy
Date: 15-Jan-22




I'm against it . It is legal in Alabama but the prices on it have gone from 6 and 7 dollars to 9 and 10 dollars. Deer are still night animals and the larger hunting club can put out more than us smaller clubs. The main reason I don't like it is the younger generation doesn't learn how to find food sources and bedding areas. All they have to do is put out corn and hunt it. We didn't have hogs before and now we have them. They eat every acorn that hits the ground, and our deer here run out of green flds when they show up. They are hard to get rid of. There is a direct correlation between CWD and baiting. And now they have found it in North Alabama.

From: JTK
Date: 15-Jan-22




If you ALWAYS kill the baited animal, no problem. Every time you miss you make them increasingly tame.

Same with deer, pigs, and domestic cats that wander into your yard.

If you bait animals you train them. Do you want to kill tame animals?

See Kevin Dill's post above.

From: Bassmaster
Date: 15-Jan-22




Hunted 2 times in my life over bait. A buck hunt in Kansas,and a Bear hunt in Maine. Called the buck in Kansas in with a grunt call,and killed it. Nice 10 pt. Left camp because of black flies in Maine.Got to see Acadia park. It was the best part of the trip. Hunting over bait is just another choice in life. Your call.

From: Cobra7
Date: 15-Jan-22

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From: Bjrogg
Date: 15-Jan-22




If I had to choose between raising a generation that sits over that pile of corn and watch’s those deer. Even considers it hunting.

To a generation that sits in front of a video game and bashes hunting, trapping and fishing.

Well that corn pile looks pretty good to me.

Bjrogg

PS everything is costing more. My fertilizer went from $172 a ton to $634 if they can get it for me. The price of feeding the deer isn’t the only thing that’s going up.

From: Bjrogg
Date: 15-Jan-22




Another thing to remember. Not all of us grew up with a stickbow in our hands. Or any bow at all.

Like myself who almost by accident made my first bow. Only secretly dreaming of hunting with one.

Originally to see if I could.

Only then understanding how rewarding the actual hunt was.

Maybe some of them will find a need to challenge themselves more. Better chance of it sitting over that pile of corn then a lot of other places.

Bjrogg

From: JTK
Date: 15-Jan-22




Keep feeding them, you'll always know where to find them. Right?

How is that like hunting?

From: Bjrogg
Date: 16-Jan-22




I think hunting is probably the most personal thing we do. Even more personal than my relationship with my wife. So far neither one of us have taken eithers life. Even though she has baited me well.

I’m not hunting over bait. I have in the past when it was legal.

Ever since I started hunting with my selfbows and especially since my first kill. I have tried to lure others to this style of hunting. I try to do that by explaining how exiting and rewarding it can be. By letting them know it isn’t impossible and that if I can do it so can they. That I know this style isn’t for everyone, but I feel so many people just don’t realize what they are missing.

I have gotten a few to try it. Fewer to stick with it. And unfortunately none of them have taken a animal yet.

Maybe I should just change my approach and explain to them that they aren’t hunters? That fourteen year old kid who just shot his first deer using a gun is doing it the easy way and that just doesn’t count. Probably if I insult them enough they will see the light and come over from the dark side.

I’m done here. I have far more important things to do than this.

I’m not going there. I will continue to try to lure them to the light by explaining the thrill of this hunt. Not putting down theirs

Bjrogg

From: TrapperKayak
Date: 16-Jan-22




I sport fish alot, and always use bait, either natural or artifical (I don't spearfish). It should be no issue to bait animals for sport hunting either, but I prefer to use 'bait' that's already there as it naturally occurrs rather than putting it there. So no, I don't bait animals with food I set out. I do bait them with decoys though.

From: SB
Date: 16-Jan-22




Artificial lures arn't bait!

From: Geezer
Date: 17-Jan-22




Some game laws can be ignored. Baiting is one such law. This season I passed on a six pointer because he was nosing in the leaves for corn placed there by the property owner a few days prior. Such killings are not hunting.

Erect a blind from natural materials. No bait.. That us fair chase.

From: Andy Man
Date: 17-Jan-22

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Dog found this back in the woods on his stumpng trip

From: Andy Man
Date: 17-Jan-22

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He thinks they were baiting and he got there too late -it was empty

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




lol. Good boy. Andy you can pull him up there like you did your old dog and he will sit with you. Looks like a buddy stand

From: Andy Man
Date: 17-Jan-22




this one way too big N heavy to get up in a stand -he wouldn't sit still anyway

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




Lol. poor guy. Gotta love him. He has other attributes. Found you a treestand didn't he? Albeit someone else's

From: Andy Man
Date: 17-Jan-22




Biscuit don’t miss much out there stumping

If he can’t eat it or tear it up he’ll pee on it

He finds my arrows great and fast but can’t break him of pulling the feathers off

After he does that he comes over and rolls over for his poke

Think the stand belongs to a older handicapped fella- baiting is illegal here - have seen his truck parked above in a field but the woods don’t belong to the field

He probably don’t know or cares- as hard as he struggles to get around I ain’t ratting on him - I would help him drag one out and congratulate him





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