Though I have wanted to shoot wood for a long time I am giving up. Even after very nice and informative discussions with Carson & Larry about arrow shafts, tips, length. weight....I can not shoot wood for spit. I have tried so many different shaft sizes & lengths, tip weights, feather configurations, shaft materials, shelf materials & styles, brace heights, nock heights, paper tuning etc...and I have had enough!!! I pick up one of my Easton Axis 500's and it is right on the money . Oh well...It takes a great general to know when he has been defeated !!! Farewell wood and frustration, beck to trustworthy carbon....Sorry I ever tried to change !!! Anyway, Merry Christmas and be safe and thanks for letting me vent...I feel better !!! Christ is born !!!! Des

I’m confused… I have always found wood to be really quite forgiving!

But hey… “More for me!”

Well, never had that problem myself. Something more to it than the material but shoot what works best for you.

Never an issue in 60+ yrs....

...and it's much quieter than shooting hollow tubing!

Well I'm sorry to hear that you don't like wood. Since your giving it up I'd be glad to send you my addy and you can really get even with that wood and ship it all out if your life forever, never be tempted to shoot it again. Let me know , and Merry Christmas.

Thanks for the offer Pete..I'm planning on giving all @ 3 doz shafts / arrows to a buddie who loves wood. If he doesn't want them I'll be in touch !!! Be safe...Des

Sorry, but makes absolutely no sence unless you have unmatched garbage shafts . Honestly I like it better than Carbon.

I think it’s not an issue with the wood either but no one said it was a requirement anyhow and if carbon is your thing and keeps your head clear so be it.

I never had an issue with wood in 52 years.

I agree with motherlode. There are inferior wood shafts sold as premium shafting but have you tried Wapiti POC or Sherwood Doug Fir? These are true premium wood shafts and they shoot great.

Carbon for me.

I shot wood for 2 seasons back in the early 90's and I shoot a lot. All I got through doing was build arrows, they are not tough enough for me. Shot aluminums for a bunch of years then learned how to tune carbons. I would trade 6 dozen woodies for a dozen of good carbons. Woodies are beautiful and understand why people like them.They are not for everyone.

Yep....no logic to that. Arrows are arrows and spine is spine.

Nothing worse than lousy wood arrow shafts,but when you get quality wood arrows,theres nothing better.Especially out of a longbow.

Can be in your head……… now I am shooting a wood arrow ……. Hope it hits well……. There goes your shot.. just a guess

DON'T BLAME THE WOOD!

I have some 500 GTs I cant get to tune out of anything I shoot them with. I have much better success with wood. probably operator error I know, but that's been my experience.

Excellent decision, considering it was yours and not ours :)

Kerry, no harm no foul. Enjoy what works best for you, it's not like it's any of these other guy's decision anyway. The arrow that flies best for you, is the best arrow for you.

Something else is at play.

Carson at SureWood has the best Douglas fir you can buy. All indications point to a problem with something your doing. I believe wood is more forgiving than any other material. Anyway, do what makes you feel good. Merry Christmas! PS if you have any raw shafts in 40/45 let me know.

Yes, odd, I shot wood this year and had no issues with shooting them as long as you kept them straight. My biggest issue was I have never dealt so many broken arrows. Out of 28 arrows, I have 7 left. The other problem I had was keeping them straight especially during warmer weather. I had to carry a spin tester everywhere I went to verify if they were straight. I liked shooting them, but may go back to carbon also just for the durability.

I was reading your trials and errors and I'm sure you didn't put everything in your post. Just wondering if you tried large feathers, I used to use maxi fletch and now 5.5 inch shield cut with as much helical i can get. Also mercury nock or nock that doesn't fit tight to string. Just curious shoot what ever you can shoot well.

Just curious… Have you had them across a spine tester?

Happy to check ’em for you if you can’t find somebody closer.

What works for me might not work for you

I shoot what I like and what works. If you like carbons, cool.

I have shot one carbon arrow, period. Yeah, it flew well but I like wood over all others.

I make wood shafts. Poplar, Hickory, Ash, and several other varieties. I shoot Poplar and Hickory mostly. You can have all shafts the same spine and weight but you can have on shaft that will be a rogue and not work. I have one Hickory shaft that will consistently shoot left of the group. It is still identical to the rest and I am trying to figure out what the cause is.

It is frustrating at times but I get along with wood and prefer it way better than the others.

well , i've only got about 200 cedar shafts to go so i guess i will continue making and shooting them myself, but what george says x2 , who really cares it's yur choice my good man.

Shoot what works best for YOU! And for the animals you're hunting!

Are you sure you're getting a clean release?

My experience has been that properly splined wood shafts group right with Easton aluminum and carbon arrows out to approximately 20 yards. Then the wood is a tad lower, while the Easton aluminum and carbon group to about 30 yards, then the aluminum is a tad low. Carbons stay grouped to 40-45 yards which is as far as I can see!!! Key is getting good quality wood shafting to make your arrows. I have moved back to wood in the last several years because it is tough to get Easton and carbon heavy enough for my bows and 200-250 grain broadheads.

Wood is good! I’ve been making and using wood arrows for longer than I want to remember. I find them simple to make and I can shoot the same arrow out of multiple # bows. I don’t mind breaking some now and then cause then I get to make more. If you pay any attention to what your shooting at, you won’t break many. I do like to break one now and then when I find the bloody parts with a deer at the end.

I sympathize with the OP in regards to wood shafting because while I know that spine is spine?…that spine is based on deflection but that doesn’t mean the shafts are deflecting uniformly which results in variances in “Dynamic Spine”

Last year I was shooting 2016 aluminum arrows off my 1990 Bear Kodiak for 3D. When archery season got close, I switched to german spruce arrows for hunting. I was curious to see how the aluminum and german spruce would compare if shot together since they were very close to the same spine and weight. I was happy when they grouped together. I didn't have any carbon arrows to try then.

I completely agree with you Des,when you compare wood aluminum and carbon make you wander,nostalgia I guess.

Plus you can get years or even decades out of a dozen carbon but I’ve never had that luck with wood or aluminum.

Shoot what makes you happy. But I agree with static, don't blame the wood.

Yep, don't blame the wood. Even the crappiest of wood shafts can be brought on target. Just requires more effort in building them. Like Dnovo said "don't mind breaking some now and then 'cause I get to make more." There's the smell too. Nothing like the smell of broken cedar arrows. I love building cedar arrows. I know this is going to make some hair stand up but I never tune wood shafts/arrows. I just buy the needed spine and they come out right. Whether they're plain or crowned and crested, whatever. Made some real fancy too but in the end they're all arrows. Frank

"Plus you can get years or even decades out of a dozen carbons", well not if you squirrel hunt. :)

I dunno, man…. My all-time favorite stumping and red/pine squirrel arrow was a Nirk flu-flu with a glued-on Judo… that thing lasted forever.

Of course, I never stuck it 30 feet up a tree…..

Best to shoot what works best for you. Me, I shoot wood, aluminum, and carbon. Yes, carbons are more durable for me but not bomb proof. Aluminums for the price are still the most consistent. X7 cost a lot less than carbons with same tolerances. But, I do like making woods.

Wood takes a little more effort and can be frustrating but when it’s right, it’s right.

Enjoy our shooting. That's what counts. Jawge

I agree with Desperado.

After over three decades of making and shooting arrows I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing.

No way wood flies as consistent as aluminum.

I just tested my last batch of German spruce. They flew fine. Then I shot my aluminum. Much tighter groups.

I've seen it many many times. It is what it is.

I shoot wood for fun, I shoot aluminum when I want to kill something.

shoot what works for you. Ive used wood and aluminum (not tried Carbon)

Id say that aluminum are easier for me to st up. But Ive found wood to be quieter and more forgiving imo

Well...After reading your posts and advice I guess I should reluctantly keep trying for a while longer if I want to shoot wood but I suspect I am ready to throw in the towel. To answer some questions...I have a spine tester & spine test religiously...They are shafts from a very reputable shaft maker on LW....I have built with feathers from 3"-5"... I am having a shoulder replacement on the 27th so my shooting will be delayed for a while. Since the 500's are perfect I tend to think it is not operator failure but maybe I am being too arrogant. At any rate, THANK YOU all for the wonderful responses and your kind time. Be safe & Merry Christmas....CHRIST IS BORN !!!!!!! DEs

I haven’t seen mention of it but you are orienting the grain to the nock arent you ?

Woods are not for everyone. They do not last as long as carbons or pop cans. I get that. I just like em. I found that if I hit a 3D in the vitals they are ok, for deer sometimes they don't shoot all the way through the animal so you sometimes sacrifice them. I am ok with that. I just make a few more after I get done my dinner of backstraps

show us some dead animals Baylee.

I’d sure like to be able to shoot woodies that were as accurate as alumalogs or carbons, but I’ve neither the budget to buy them nor the skills to get them there….

I guess it doesn’t take all that much to make an arrow that’s better than I can shoot it….

You do you. Don't let folks persuade you otherwise.

"I just buy the needed spine and they come out right". Yep.

Baylee - You still mad cause you can’t understand how feed trees work lol. Ain’t you the same genius that couldn’t figure out ONX after 5 people dummy splained it for you? Yea that’s you. Also lied about having a Sunset Hill longbow? What possible reason would a grown man have for doing something like that? Just what worms do I guess.....and you a worm lol

Baylee sent me this. come on man say it on here. I can tell you are new here if you have not seen any pics of me with deer. Do some research and congrats on your animals. You are easy Baylee. He he

I am not sure why but i have also struggled with woods shafts. I can pick up a carbon or aluminum and have it tuned in short order but i have never been able to get wood shafts to tune to my liking.

I Chalk it up to a few things but mainly due to a lack of knowledge of wood arrow tuning on my part.

When tuning carbon you can't buy you exact spine so you tune to get it. Since easton has dropped some aluminums sometime you have to do the same with then. Wood comes in ever possible spine so its not necessary to tune till you find your spine unless you got a really bad release. If thats the case get a spine test kit. Once you find your spine buy all you want of them and just shoot them. You don't need to overthink wood. Plus you don't need a ton of point weights. Most peoples problem with wood is believe arrows can be that simple after messing with carbon.

GLF said a whole lot in that last sentence. Especially since folks have a tendency to make tuning carbons as complicated as possible.

I see y’all’s point and can’t say I totally disagree however lot of folks are covering up poor arrow flight with a lot of feather. Thats not Necessarily a problem for trad bow ranges as long as it hits where you want it too. To tune arrows the archer has to be consistent. Not everyone can or needs to super tune arrows but fact remains the arrow isn't tuned just because you can hit a 4” target at 10 or 15 yards.

Once i get my arrows flying to my liking. i always shoot a bare shaft along with my fletched during practice sessions and it always groups with fletched as long as i do my part out to my standard 20/25 yards.

The bare shaft gives me quick feed back on what i am doing wrong on that particular session. Plucking , short drawing , over drawing etc etc

We are human so even the best archers cant shoot a perfect shot ever time.

I say that because its not something i have been able to do with wood consistently. I believe it’s possible just i haven’t been able to master wood arrow tuning yet. Its still a mystery to me why though.

I have tried ever spine range available, test kits , point weights etc etc

Plenty of guys out there shooting wood shafts way better than i could ever hope to shoot so its an issue with me not the material of the arrow.

Thats my opinion anyway.

Buy a dozen premium wood shafts spine and weight matched put them in a box and set them on a shelf for 5 years,then take them out after 5 years and check the spine and weight let us know what you have…..

Des All the best with your surgery. Merry Christmas!!!

Do what makes you happy. My dug fir and heavy hardwood shafts make me happy. I have a tube full of carbons, cant stand them.

"Giving Up on Wood"......the HORROR!

Oh yeah, show some dead deer, that will surely show how manly your are and how much a killer. Good grief.

Have you spine and weight tested your wood shafts next to the non wood shafts you like?

I shot wood for a couple years, then switched to aluminum for 2 years. Then I switched to wood and stayed with them a couple decades. Then I switched to Beman carbons for several years. Back to woods. Then I switched to Victory skinny carbons. My woods included POC, Doug fir, Sitka spruce and laminated maple. I shot all of them accurately and killed game with every shaft type I ever used. But there was just one thing....

NONE of them shot like the previous arrows. Every time I switched it was like watching a 12 year old get started. Fliers...just crazy groups. The more I shot them days and weeks, the better I settled in. Next switch....same thing.

I'll never give up on wood. They're good with me. Not as consistently good FOR ME as synthetics, but good enough to trust.

Kerry, I have a similar story that might make You feel "not alone", many years ago I bought a 1 piece 50's style recurve. The bow was cut FROM center I believe, center at most, in any event, about every 10th shot or so, the arrow would wack the sight window, and this got into My head. The bow shot bullets, but, I kept waiting for that wack. I was losing sleep over this. Finally one day I had this incredible revelation, " Hey Brian, sell the bow and forget it, I don't think God minds" and if I ever want to buy one again and give it another whirl, I can. Well Kerry, I sold that bow, started to sleep again, and never looked back. I think You did the right thing. You tried something it just didn't work out at that particular time, and You moved on. Brian...

That's a pretty large one. The coyotes run bog here in New England too. Jawge

I buy good good cedar shafts and spine them then break them when I shoot them through animals. I don’t doubt carbon and aluminum are better . Not even sure why I buy them when I could shoot carbons

Lol wood is the easiest to get perfect flight from. I hate carbon. Aluminum is good

I should add, I shoot ASL. wood seems the best for me. Aluminum same. Carbons NOPE

wood shafts are my favorite (but they are rather work intensive to make up good ones) sometimes just stain and Dip -work just as good

do shoot alot of aluminums due to ease of assembly and cost (Jazz and Tributes)

messed with a lot of carbons over the years but drop them- just don't like them at all

I don't understand what the makeup of the arrow has to do with being able to shoot them accurately. If your arrow is the correct spine and you have done the necessary work to get them tuned to your bow then why are people finding any one arrow material to shoot better than another.

I have wood arrows that are over twenty years old. They shoot the same as the day that I made them. I have had wood arrows made of POC, ash, birch, lodgepole pine and others I don't recall. I never had any problems with any of them.

I also occasionally shoot aluminums although they are a backup for me if I lose too many woods. Carbons have never touched any of my longbows and never will. That is just a personal aesthetic preference so don't anybody get all upset.

I can through any of those arrows in my quiver at the same time and the only real adjustment I need to make is for the effect of weight on trajectory.

Arrows break. Arrows get lost. It doesn't matter what they are made of. Unless of course all you do is shoot into target bales.

I don't consider myself an exceptional shot or an exceptional arrow maker. It really doesn't have to get complicated or difficult to set up your arrows. But it does take a little bit of effort.

Good, hope you get a good swift kick out of it :^)

Seriously, who's limiting themselves?

That's what some folks may never understand. To them it feels limiting, while to others it's liberating and which shoots better has nothing to do with it.

I would feel 'limited' like a caged wild carnivore if I had to use only production glass bows and carbon or aluminum arrows. Honestly? Just shoot me. No. Seriously.

“ Buy a dozen premium wood shafts spine and weight matched put them in a box and set them on a shelf for 5 years,then take them out after 5 years and check the spine and weight let us know what you have….”

Ummmm… Who gives a rip? Arrows are meant to be shot, not stored away for some future date. If you think you need arrows that can be stored away to be used five years on down the road, then by all means by aluminum or carbon… I’m pretty sure that either/both will be here and in perfect condition for the Archers of the year 2525…

I don’t expect to be here then, so JMO… Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em.

Maybe it’s just my midlife crisis talking, but I was in church this evening belting out hymns and wondering if I will be blessed with the opportunity to do so ever again, so I sang even a wee bit louder. I am now older than my dad‘s father ever got to be, and I do not feel at all as though I am done yet, but I’m not taking anything for granted, either.

So giving a flying (fill in the blank!) about what is going to happen to a wood arrow over the next five years….?? REALLY not on my list of priorities!

Merry Christmas to all who will celebrate, and Peace to those who may not.

I was out shooting some ash arrows this afternoon that I made up about two years ago. I made them from shafts I had bought about eighteen years ago. They had been tucked away in storage and forgot I had them. So I don't see what the issue is with long term storage is either. They shoot just fine.

I wonder if the was what the tower of Babble was like.

Yeah I have no idea why the difference…but I know I’m not the only one that finds wood and aluminum to shoot better out of ASL. Probably crappy form. Who knows. They recover so fast, maybe it’s too fast. I totally get “tune it to your bow” but I’ll do that with carbons, come back the next day and now they’re not shooting the same. Probably it’s me not shooting the same. I really don’t care why at this point I just stick to wood and aluminum. I have a bunch of carbons I’ve tinkered with and all the weights and stuff and I need to get rid of them. I think it’s probably not so bad out of a more center shot bow where the quick recovery is better idk. I just gave up after many attempts and brands and all.

Due to this thread?…this morning I revisited some of my wood shaft arrows…these are shafts I purchased from RMS gear about six years ago that I originally made for my 46 pound big Jim’s thunder child… These Shafts and the hard rock maple Shafts I purchased from Kevin Forester seem to hang right with what I typically shoot when using carbon fiber Shafts but Lord knows I have a gaggle of wooden arrows that shotgun all over the place so this emphasizes the importance of buying quality wood shafts…

I can't give up on wood. I have way too many wood arrows.

I have shot them all and had a ton of fun made all my own but right now for me wood is king. I still shoot wood arrow that I first made, and I just finished 3 new shaft last night. I love to tinker with my setup and trying to find the sweet spot is the fun of it for me.

I am happy that I was able to amuse you. Since I don't see any significant advantage of one arrow material over another from a shooting perspective why not choose the arrow material that appeals to me from the perspective of appearance and nostalgia. Many people shoot longbows for just that reason.

I haven't found any huge advantage from a cost perspective either. My arrow inventory is most often reduced by loss in the woods.

Whatever your preference, for whatever reason, put in the effort to tune your bow and arrows and any of them will shoot well.

I find it amusing that you find carbon arrows to be cost effective.

Yeah, it's not like carbon arrows just grow on trees :^)

I went full into woodies this year, from raw shafts, building a cresting machine, finishing and hunting. Did I enjoy it? Sure did. Will I only shoot woodies from now on? No. For durability you can't beat carbons to me. I, like most, carry a judo arrow for stumping and am constantly shooting while hunting. Those carbon stumping arrows last years unless I mistake a rock for a log, LOL. Woodies are very fragile for stumping and the loss from break ratio is high. But I am a cheapskate and hate losing or breaking things I just got. As I said before, I have 7 out of 28 Doug Fir shafts left from this season. Some broke from straightening, some broke only after a few shots for no reason, and some from poor shots and hitting the target odd. Never have that with Carbons or Aluminums. It all depends on who you are, how you shoot and how much you shoot. I will continue using all materials available.

Sorry, more to add. As far as tuning, any material can be tuned equally the same by tuning bow to shaft and/or shaft to bow. The material does not matter, the effort does.

Not all wooden arrows are equal in durability. Far from it. People who say in general 'wood arrows' aren't durable obviously ain't shooting what I'm shooting. If they break during straightening or while shooting for 'no reason' they're not a strong wood or were very poor quality shafts to start with. I wouldn't shoot those kind of woodies either.

My hickory arrows last for many years, if I don't lose them. I very seldom ever break one, and I don't baby them, I'll shoot them point blank into an oak tree if a squirrel is hanging on the trunk. Tough? Pfff.

Maybe my bow's just really weak :^)

I agree. The durability of wood shafts depends on the quality of the shaft and the wood itself. My wood arrow inventory is depleted by loss more than anything else. I haven't tried hickory yet but my ash arrows have been shot into tree trunks and rocks without breaking.

Where do you get your hickory shafts?

I like them all. Woodies are really quite. I'm really hard on arrows I've been able to destroy all types with equal skill. I tend to put dents in aluminum. Carbon is tough till you get a good impact. They are all useful. I've been playing with carbon's for the last year but that was just cuz I found a good deal on eBay.

I’m wondering what some of you shoot at. I shoot pretty much only cedar and i’ve got a judo tipped arrow in my bow quiver for over 2 years now. i shoot it stumping to and from my deer stands and while scouting. I lose more than i break which isn’t a lot. Cedar arrows are tougher than most think if you pay attention. Ash or hickory will be just about indestructible

My thoughts on the OP 1st post - Total confidence in the equipment and enjoyment are the #1 priorities... Without total confidence, you are bound for mistakes & disappointment. That said, do as others have advised and shoot what makes you confident and happy and don't look back - good luck with the shoulder. JW

I get the impression that some folks who try wood for the first time get aggravated...I know I did at first simply because I was used to tuning alum. & CF and wood just didn't (and doesn't) respond to "Length Tuning" as well as alum or CF...heck...I could lop an inch off a weak woody and barely notice a difference in dynamic spine (which is what I think IS what makes woodies so forgiving when you =do get the spine right) where 1/4" too short could ruin a set of CF arrows by making them too stiff so while CF & Alum can be easily controlled by length and point weight?...not so much with wood so the primary control with wood shafting is they are either spined right or?...bust...(for the most part)

I started with cedars as a kid so the sentimental aspect is there and I do love that wood is by far the quietest of the shaft materials but also the most delicate unless you get into the exotics such as my hard rock maples or numerous other hardwood shafting materials like ash and hickory that cost as much (if not more) to build than alum/CF shafting unless?...you have a lathe and are a DIY wood shaft kinda guy.

I rarely if ever mess with alum anymore and primarily shoot carbons but I do find myself bouncing back to woodies every now and then and when they are right?....it's a beautiful thing.

I guess I'm just use to wood and tuning wood since I've been shooting mostly wood since 1969 and building my own wood arrows since 1988. I do shoot some aluminum, but I'd say 90% of my shooting is with wood arrows. I especially like shooting and building cedar arrows.

Nemo...it's definitely a cool hobby...I weight matched (to a great degree) these Doug Firs by soaking with danish oil...then tried to make them look like what I wittingly referred to as "My Firewoods"...

I had them dialed into my American Elm Molle selbow...

A good arrow shaft is a good arrow shaft. Doesn’t what material it’s made from. I’ve been using wood lately.

Doesn’t matter what material it’s made from. I meant to say:)

You know…

If wood doesn’t really seem like the most appropriate shaft material for the kinds of bows that we talk about on this page, then why can you buy aluminum and carbon arrows with graphics on them that are supposed to make them look like wood? And why do you suppose most of us by those “fake woods” instead of the plain black ones or camo prints?

So I guess I would venture to say that really, EVERYBODY prefers wood to aluminum or carbon (aesthetically speaking) except in serious target competition… Or at least the classes in which wood arrows are not required.

I really love shooting wood. I just need to make a few lifestyle changes in order to have more free time to put into building them up. But at least I have all of my tools lined up…

I have been shooting Longbows and Recurves since spring-summer of 2008 after 30 years with a Compound. When I started I shot Aluminum which shot great, then I tried Carbon which also shot great and dropped less at longer distance. Had to shoot Wood in the IBO Senior Longbow class at the Traditional World Championship this year and didn’t have a lot of faith in shooting the Wood as well as the Carbon but a good friend made me a Dozen Wooden arrows and they fly Every bit as good as anything I have ever shot. Just ask the guy’s that shot against me. So with the right Shafts Wood does work. Kurt

Nothing wrong with carbon, aluminum or wood. When it comes to wood arrows the quality and how well they are matched makes a big difference. I've found good tapered wood arrows are very forgiving.

People that say wood isn't durable enough for them and they keep having to make arrows....what the hell you shooting at? Most all of my broken wood arrows came about from killing deer! Job done! An occasional rock or other hard impact after a miss!...which I've found to have the same effect on aluminum or carbon! Never broken a wood arrow target shooting!....but I also don't shoot 30 of them into a group!

Just put all the carbon away and returned to wood. Trad archery and wood arrows just go together.....not sure why the issue.

Wood is the best in the woods. Really. At least for me. Nothing man made has the sound of wood. What I mean is that if you clank your bow with your arrow, wood sounds , well like wood. Anything else sounds out of place. Having said that, I wish I could find the crazy spines that I need. Had some shafts made by a guy in Oregon , and even the 120# spine were to weak for me. That is the draw back of a long draw. My shafts need to be 31.5 absolute minimum , and at that I touch the bow with the broadhead.

I like footed tapered Cedar.

Some of you wood-shaft haters really give me a chuckle. No, I don't expect everyone to love them. It's a Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota thing. Good thing this is a "free" country and you can use what you like. I can shoot wood shafts right along with aluminum, provided they are matched to the bow of course.

I only shoot cedar arrows. Sure, aluminum is straighter and carbon is stronger. When cedar breaks you have that smell. That cedar smell. Nothing else like it. I love the smell of cedar in the morning...Frank

I've exclusively shot wood arrows of my own making since 2004. I made hickory for many years, then swithed to doug fir, and the last few years, cedar.

I turned a half dozen of may remaining hickories into muzzleloader ramrods. That's a perfect use for premium straight tight grain hickory. My few remaining hickory arrows just gather dust. I very rarely shoot them because cedar flies so nice.

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