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Cedar Arrows

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Two Flints 27-Oct-21
Flyman 27-Oct-21
Breakfast Boy 27-Oct-21
Breakfast Boy 27-Oct-21
George D. Stout 27-Oct-21
Jim 27-Oct-21
Matt B 27-Oct-21
Randog 27-Oct-21
ChadR 27-Oct-21
A Tag 27-Oct-21
Two Flints 28-Oct-21
JimG 28-Oct-21
DanaC 28-Oct-21
JusPassin 28-Oct-21
Deno 28-Oct-21
longbowguy 28-Oct-21
fdp 28-Oct-21
Bob Rowlands 28-Oct-21
fdp 28-Oct-21
Bob Rowlands 28-Oct-21
Batman 28-Oct-21
aromakr 28-Oct-21
Geezer 04-Nov-21
Thumper 05-Nov-21
aromakr 05-Nov-21
Bob Rowlands 05-Nov-21
Heat 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
A Tag 05-Nov-21
fdp 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
cut it out 05-Nov-21
cut it out 05-Nov-21
David T 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
Thumper 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
grizz 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
LBshooter 05-Nov-21
LBshooter 05-Nov-21
SB 05-Nov-21
Westksbowhunter 06-Nov-21
Riverwolf 04-Dec-21
crazyjjk 04-Dec-21
Mechanic 04-Dec-21
SaddleHill 04-Dec-21
SaddleHill 04-Dec-21
SaddleHill 04-Dec-21
Corax_latrans 04-Dec-21
Deno 04-Dec-21
Riverwolf 05-Dec-21
wooddamon1 05-Dec-21
wooddamon1 05-Dec-21
Riverwolf 05-Dec-21
wooddamon1 05-Dec-21
Stringmaker 05-Dec-21
Stringmaker 05-Dec-21
Stringmaker 05-Dec-21
Brian Blackak 05-Dec-21
Boker 06-Dec-21
Nemophilist 06-Dec-21
Brad 06-Dec-21
Riverwolf 06-Dec-21
Riverwolf 06-Dec-21
GLF 06-Dec-21
MStyles 08-Dec-21
the Black Spot 08-Dec-21
Riverwolf 08-Dec-21
N Y Yankee 09-Dec-21
From: Two Flints
Date: 27-Oct-21




Hello all,

Just wondering if you could recommend arrow makers, as I may need some custom cedar arrows.

Thanks,

Two Flints

From: Flyman
Date: 27-Oct-21




D and M arrows Gary Hall,makes great arrows..

From: Breakfast Boy Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Oct-21




From: Breakfast Boy Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Oct-21




Sorry, got a little trigger happy.

Suzanne St. Charles makes fabulous arrows...

http://www.nwarchery.com

From: George D. Stout
Date: 27-Oct-21




Well, you do know we also have a resident arrow maker, who goes by.......aromakr, Bob Burton of Whispering Wind Arrows.

From: Jim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Oct-21




Give Paul Jalon at Elite Arrows a call. He’s at the top of the list!!

From: Matt B
Date: 27-Oct-21

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I hate to put in a plug for myself, but I make good ones. M B Custom Arrows.

From: Randog
Date: 27-Oct-21




Those do look good Matt.

From: ChadR
Date: 27-Oct-21




Lost Nation Archery has made my arrows lately and they shoot and look great!

From: A Tag
Date: 27-Oct-21




Raptor Archery

From: Two Flints
Date: 28-Oct-21




Guys,

Thanks for the suggestions . . . is Stu Miller still making arrows?

Have a question for those of you who know more than me in the area of arrow making . . . Is it better to order an arrow based upon the pull weight of the bow, or by the weight of the arrow for a particular bow? - so if my new bow requires an arrow with a certain weight for optimal shooting, how would I find which arrows have the correct weight my bow needs? Is this information, weight of the arrow, usually available or is actually the same criteria in making an arrow for a particular bow?

Thanks,

Two Flints

From: JimG
Date: 28-Oct-21




Lost Nation and NW Archery (St.Charles).

From: DanaC
Date: 28-Oct-21




Two Flints, I'd say 'both'. Talk to the arrow maker, tell him what you're looking for re. both spine and arrow weight.

From: JusPassin
Date: 28-Oct-21




I have my own set of wood test arrows, with a variety of points in various weights. I can bare shaft wood as easily as carbon or aluminum to find the exact weight for a particular bow. Yes it takes some time but I like the results.

From: Deno
Date: 28-Oct-21

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A good starting point.

From: longbowguy
Date: 28-Oct-21




You may not be able to get the exact total arrow weight you want. Most cedar for arrows comes from fallen trees of various may have fallen decades or centuries ago. Density and resilience varies from log to log. So your arrow smith may not have the wood on hand to match the weight you got years before. They can match spines and weights to each other from current production but they may not weigh the same as those from your previous batch.

I usually order shafts three dozen or more at a time so they match their mates. But they may not closely match the weight of my previous batch. They are usually pretty close but Mother Nature makes trees of differing weights and there is no arguing with her. - lbg

From: fdp
Date: 28-Oct-21




Matching weight on wooden arrows is actually pretty easy and has been done for centuries.

You match weight by removing material from the ends of the shaft, tapering them. For some shafts you will need to remove material from both ends creating a "barrel" type taper and for others you will only need to remove material from the nock end.

And, the arrows will all shoot into a tight little group out as far as we as mortals are capable of shooting them.

If I were you and I were looking to have someone make me some custom Cedar arrows I would talk to a couple of different arrowsmith's. Let them know what you are looking for, the type of bow you are shooting, and then get their input.

Ideally, a test kit is the way to go just like Juspassin indicated.

When it comes to arrows keep in mind that the order of importance of characteristics of arrow shafts is matched spine, matched weight, and lastly straightness.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 28-Oct-21




Contact 'Aromakr' on this site.

From: fdp
Date: 28-Oct-21




I think Bob retired.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 28-Oct-21




Never hurts to ask Frank. I'm 'officially retired' but I still do side work dependent on what it is and who's doing the asking. That's pretty common amongst the guys I know that are retired.

From: Batman
Date: 28-Oct-21




Haven't seen Stu Miller in a very long time. Did He drop out of archery? Hope that HE is OK! GOOD HUNTING & BLESSED BE!

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 28-Oct-21




Guy's I am retired and sold the business. All of my equipment went with the sale. It is now in Mesa, Arizona. I only have one fletching jig.

Bob

From: Geezer
Date: 04-Nov-21




Wood shafts are my favorite. Especially cedar or Sitka Spruce. But even the best makers cannot measure moisture density or how to provide you with a perfect dozen. Go by the charts which show you all factors. However, the best dozen you can buy may have a flyer or two, those that match the weight and spine you want but may have one or two that simply wont fly right.

From: Thumper Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Nov-21




Look up Dana McGehee with Gray Wing Arrows in Arizona. Call him on the phone. He made me a KILLER set of arrows a couple months ago and the price was very fair. And under a week lead time. Super guy.

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 05-Nov-21




Thumper:

Dana is the person that bought my business and does make a fine arrow.

Bob

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 05-Nov-21




Stus been gone so long I forgot his name, and had to start referring to his calculator as the '3riversarchery' calculator. ha

From: Heat
Date: 05-Nov-21




I get mine from David Morley in NY. He's on Facebook. Let me know if you need help connecting.

From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21




From what I've seen wood arrow prices have gone through the roof! It's rediculas! Glad I have a huge stash of shafts and materials. They must be trying to make 20.00 an hour to assemble a dozen arrows!

From: A Tag
Date: 05-Nov-21




From what I have seen the cost of all arrow components have gone through the roof including feathers and good shafts. A arrow smith has to buy all those materials at currant prices so the arrow price will reflect that. If a guy can make $15 a hour starting at Taco Bell maybe a skilled arrow smith deserves more then the guy making your fast food. If a arrow smith is building arrows for less then a minimum wage employee it’s not a business it’s a hobby. Just trying to put things in perspective and support our small businesses in the archery community.

From: fdp
Date: 05-Nov-21




From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21




150.00 for a dozen wood arrows? ... get real!

From: cut it out
Date: 05-Nov-21

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What A-tag said! Buy all the materials and see how much time and money you have in them. So if your doing it to make a little bit of money as a job or even part time job it will add up. I make my own and if you go with something fairly fancy the time adds up.

From: cut it out
Date: 05-Nov-21




Oh and price a crester machine and paints and stains as ya need that besides the arrow components.

From: David T
Date: 05-Nov-21




$150.00 for a dozen custom wood arrows is a bargain. I have arrows that I have purchased back in the early 1990's that have been shot thousand of times that are still going. I have no problem paying someone a living wage for work well done.

From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21




I've made my own arrows since I was 8 yrs. old. And that was 63 yrs. ago.I know whats involved...even with my fanciest arrows theres more waiting between steps than actually doing. I made all my own equipment, other than fletching jigs and tapering tools. Nocks are cheap,field points are cheap....feathers have gone up considerably,but I only fletch with wild grey barreds...free every spring. It's a niche market...you ain't gonna get rich regardless WHAT you charge! ...Don't quit your day job!

From: Thumper Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Nov-21




SB, it sounds like you are retirement age, so you likely have plenty of free time to sit around and make arrows.

I work for a living, and don't have time and space to build a dozen wood arrows to the same quality as a guy that does it all the time. It would cost me a lot more than $150 to take time off work to be able to make my own.

I'm glad to have someone that can build quality arrows and sell them to me at a fair enough price.

I still build a lot of my own very plain ones, but I buy some "good ones" ready to shoot about once a year.

From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21

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Do I hear 200.00 ?

From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21

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250.00?

From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21

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From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21




3 missing out of last box...3 dead bucks...

From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21




I was still working when I made most of these...6 days a week! Didn't sleep a lot though!

From: grizz
Date: 05-Nov-21




Lost Nation builds fine matched sets for 110.00 and 130.00. I quit building arrows for customers around 3 or 4 years ago mainly because there are no archers left around here and the few that are left want Walmart prices. If I started again I could not make minimum wage at 130.00.

Just as a side SB, I don’t think I’d build a dozen for you at 200.00. Because I’m positive you would never be satisfied.

I never thought I’d see hamburger sell for 5.50 a pound either but guess what.

From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21




I suppose it helps when you have a huge stash of shafts and components bought when prices were "normal" . I havn't bought anything since the 90's other than maybe a can of clearcoat...and I get that at the paint store!

From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21




Actually I have LESS free time than when I was working! ;)

From: LBshooter
Date: 05-Nov-21




I had Stu Miller make some for me and they are great. However, buy the materials and have fun making them yourself, it's not difficult and is fun. I do it in the off season.

From: LBshooter
Date: 05-Nov-21




I had Stu Miller make some for me and they are great. However, buy the materials and have fun making them yourself, it's not difficult and is fun. I do it in the off season.

From: SB
Date: 05-Nov-21




And even more awesome when you take a critter with your own handiwork!

From: Westksbowhunter
Date: 06-Nov-21




I am happy with the arrows I get from Wapiti.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 04-Dec-21

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SB....if ya don't mind ;) What type stain did you use on these shafts? Beautiful work !

From: crazyjjk
Date: 04-Dec-21




X2 on Dave Morley

From: Mechanic
Date: 04-Dec-21




Stringmaker on here makes custom arrows, message him.

From: SaddleHill Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-Dec-21

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There are lots of good makers.. Some big and well known and other small time and all word of mouth. Whoever you choose make sure to look at lots of their work and have critically high standards. I cant bear to see 80% of the arrows put out by "makers" these days with poor nock fit/tapering, uneven cresting (blatantly showing poor straightness of shafts), awful feather burning, or excess glue dripping and dried all over the place.

Top-notch buys should be able to consistently produce perfect arrows across a whole dozen with perfect straightness, cresting, nock fit, and super clean fletching.

From: SaddleHill Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-Dec-21

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From: SaddleHill Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-Dec-21

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From: Corax_latrans
Date: 04-Dec-21




OK, so one more time for those of us who were not paying attention…

If I want to use the spray can for capping, do I put down a layer of wipe on poly first, or does that go OVER the rustoleum?

From: Deno
Date: 04-Dec-21




I spray the cap first then crest, then dip or spray poly

From: Riverwolf
Date: 05-Dec-21

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guess my question was out of line;^)) Seriously...what stain for wood shafts do you gents use to obtain a osage'ish-yellow'ish tint like the pic of SB's arrow shafts ?I realize different type woods vary in color from the get go, but...What type stains do you gents that do a lot of wood arrows find to work best to obtain that color (burnt orange)? I messed around with paint/stain and can get pretty close , but would like to hear from those with more experience with wood arrows and staining ....Not meant to highjack the thread. A pm if you have a moment ;) **Something near this shade or a little darker...Thank you and carry on ....

From: wooddamon1 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Dec-21




Riverwolf, I'm sure there are stains that may come close, but I'd recommend aniline dyes. I bought a pack of different powder colors (mix with water/or alcohol) to use on different wood projects including my son's osage bow I dyed green by mixing blue and yellow. Almost endless color combos, just gotta get creative. Haven't tried it on wood shafts yet, but I'm sure it'd work fine. I'll post a pic of what I used a little later.

From: wooddamon1 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Dec-21

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Here's an example of how well they work. I plan on trying them out on some cane and Doug fir shafts over the winter. Store in a container after mixing and they should last for years.

From: Riverwolf
Date: 05-Dec-21




Thank you Damon . I got spot on with cedar and mixing wood stain and oil paint...also did the same with wood stain and some cloths dye...I am planning on doing some douglas Fir also , and looking to get a golden Osage (burnt) color for them. I've stained and clear coated a lot of wood- doors-trim, but arrows is relatively New in process for me. Just wanting to have a good color and match proper components throughout the entire process . I'll look into those dyes ;) Thank you ..

From: wooddamon1 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-Dec-21




You bet.

From: Stringmaker
Date: 05-Dec-21

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Riverwolf, I am like Damon, I use aniline dyes on my arrows also. I use the water base ones, in which they have the most variety of colors. Here are a couple of examples of arrows using the aniline water base dyes . . . only the cresting is paint . . .

From: Stringmaker
Date: 05-Dec-21

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From: Stringmaker
Date: 05-Dec-21

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I forgot, the set with the white cap is a white wash stain I make.

Another batch . . .

If you have questions, shoot me a PM.

Michael

From: Brian Blackak
Date: 05-Dec-21




Without a doubt, D & M custom Arrows, Gary Hall!

From: Boker
Date: 06-Dec-21

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David Morley, you can contact him on Facebook .

His work is second to none that i have seen. However theres a lot of talent ppl making arrows.

I personally suggest you make your own. Its not that hard to make a half decent looking arrow.

I use acrylic paint from hobby lobby, brush it on or wipe it like a colored stain. For crowns. Paint pens or a brush and same acrylic paint thinned with water for crestng.

ended up buying a spin rite crester because i never could get my home made jobs to act right.

Dip arrows in polycrylic/water mix at 50/50 ratio in a home made dipper

I like the surewood shafts.

Do they look as good as the professionals , no Do they look good yes at least imo Are they more cost effective yes by at least $50 a dozen, maybe even $75 ( if you don't count your labor )

I broke a lot of professionally made beautiful and costly cedar arrows when i first started shooting them. That will make even a grown man cry

From: Nemophilist
Date: 06-Dec-21

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Nothing like a well-made cedar arrow. Especially if you build your own. I like making my own wood arrows. Cedar is my favorite.

From: Brad
Date: 06-Dec-21

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Three Rivers alcohol stain, has a golden yellow, that really looks cool on cedar

From: Riverwolf
Date: 06-Dec-21




THANK YOU gents for adding some info & pictures for me on top of the info for two flints ! Not meant to "high jack" ;) Its good when we can get a "little" off subject and still keep going in the right direction. Few real life conversations stay completely on track.... Least the good ones ;)

Thanks everyone!

From: Riverwolf
Date: 06-Dec-21




That alcohol stain looks real nice also ....I was planning of doing some tapered douglas fir this year. Mike...could you shoot me a pm? My initiation privileges dissipated like many others on here ;)

Thank you ;)

From: GLF
Date: 06-Dec-21




I learned my lesson. I bought 2 doz from a place everyone said was one of the best. And they did look perfect but didn't fly like old arrow of same spine. I broke out the old Adams spine tester. Neither doz were the spines I had ordered. Since I had shot them and they were light I retuned my bows by adding to the side plate. After about a month 1 broke for no apparent reason. Under the cap dip every grain except 2 ran out at just about the same spot. Since then when I break one stumpin I scape the cap paint to check the. Most have had more grain runout than is exeptable to me. The lesson I learned? No mire cap dips and spine test em before shooting them. I make most of my plain janes myself anyhow since I sold my crester and dipping stuff years ago.

From: MStyles
Date: 08-Dec-21




I’ve been using Lost Nation’s Osage Orange aniline dye. It really has that Osage look.

From: the Black Spot
Date: 08-Dec-21




works of art! is there a huge coffee table book with just arrow art in it?

From: Riverwolf
Date: 08-Dec-21




Hey Mike, can we get some pictures of Lost Nations Osage orange dye ?

Didn't mean to highjack the thread...My apologies .

I'm gonna start a thread and ask these questions proper ;^)

From: N Y Yankee
Date: 09-Dec-21




Last time I was in Bass Pro I saw carbon arrows $75 for 6. That's $150.00/dz by my math. 150 for good wood arrows is reasonable.





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