From: buckeye
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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I got the itch to make some footed arrows as I've never done it before. Bought the 80$ jig from 3 rivers and set it up on the drill press at home. Then I thought I would probably do a better job on the Bridgeport at work. So on my breaks and lunchtime, I've been getting after it. It is coming along nicely so far.
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From: M60gunner
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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So that’s a milling machine I take it. Reason I ask is our wood shop has a milling machine but the “work” moves rather than the chuck. I can see where a milling machine should be more accurate and less puttzing with fences like for a drill press.
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From: buckeye
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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It is a mill yes, that's exactly why I decided to use this instead of the drill press. No fence fussing.
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From: aromakr
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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Having footed ten's of thousand wooden shafts. I think you should check your setup, it ain't going to work that way! (first pic)
Bob
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From: Buckeye
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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aromaker , Im all ears as to whats wrong?
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From: buckeye
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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It certainly looks to me like it will work?
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From: Live2Hunt
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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I'm watching and listening. This is my next step in arrow building.
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From: buckeye
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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I see it now Bob, the pic is not " perpendicular to the curvature of the earth" as my grampa used to say. ( Not 90 deg) lol
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From: Stoner
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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Got my popcorn. John
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From: GF
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Date: 15-Sep-21 |
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I’m not gonna say that it’s not gonna work…
But I don’t think it normally works that way.
I see what you did there too create that section, but I don’t know how you would go about manufacturing the other half of the set up.
So I, too, shall be watching this one with some interest….
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From: buckeye
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Date: 16-Sep-21 |
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The mating end...it was a toss up between purple heart and wenge, both would look nice ,and both are very heavy per volume. I went with wenge because it finishes easier and matches the bow I'm building them for. more about the bow later. Per the jigs instructions, I cut 1/2" by 1/2" pieces about 7 inches long , then cut them in half both ways till I hit the 4 and 3/4" mark.
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From: aromakr
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Date: 16-Sep-21 |
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buckeye:
After looking at your first picture, It looked like your cutter was off center, sorry about that. But let me make a few comments. 1.Its hard to tell in the pic. but the wings on the shaft look to be thicker than what the bandsaw cut is on the footing material, that can cause the foot to split when bring the two together. 2. The recommended size of 1/2" foot is a huge waste of material, even a 23/64" shaft doesn't kneed more than 3/8" 3. I think you will find splitting the foot the way yours are done, need to be dead nuts in the center of the foot. If they a re not it will cause the foot to be crooked on the shaft, b ecause one side of will be stronger than the opposite side. I s uggest you make a jig for the saw that will allow you to cut t he foot corner to corner, that way if there is a slight d ifference in dimensions of the foots they will still be dead n uts centered.
Bob
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From: buckeye
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Date: 16-Sep-21 |
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Then using clamps so it doesn't split, get a fair amount of tite bond 2 in there, and wrap it with some kite string to keep it snug to the shaft. Tomorrow I will remove what isn't the arrow, and see how it turns out. So far so good! Keep in mind this is my first time building footed arrows so any advice or condemnation is welcome.
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From: aromakr
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Date: 16-Sep-21 |
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Another suggestion: Instead of binding with string. Go to your local farm store and buy a package of "Elastrator bands" they are used for castorating sheep. They look like little green donuts and can be used over and over. A bag of 100 should cost about 2-3 dollars, when you get your wing thickness in line with the bandsaw cut you only need one about half way up the cut.
Bob
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From: Buckeye
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Date: 16-Sep-21 |
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Intersting Bob, I see you are cutting corner to corner on the footing. is there an advantage to that? the footing I cut are not perfect but the slots do fit however. I am anxious to remove the waste wood and see how they come out.
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From: aromakr
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Date: 16-Sep-21 |
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Buckeye: read the text next to the photo!
Bob
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From: Buckeye
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Date: 16-Sep-21 |
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sorry I was speed reading I guess Bob. thanks.
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From: Kunzie
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Date: 21-Sep-21 |
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Thanks for sharing guys. Following.
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From: Therifleman
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Date: 21-Sep-21 |
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Very cool buckeye! Looks like you're taking it to the next level. Always enjoy seeing what others are accomplishing!
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From: Buckeye
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Date: 21-Sep-21 |
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I am finding out that this is more time consuming than I thought it would be. I think it will be worth the effort tho. Stay tuned!
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From: Live2Hunt
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Date: 21-Sep-21 |
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We are still watching. I would assume it goes well till you need to shape the foot to match the shaft.
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From: buckeye
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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Y'all didn't think I have up did ya? Going into this project I thought if I could get 6 outa 12 to work I would be happy. Well I got 7 so in my mind it was a success.
First I tried a couple lousy planes to remove the excess material, but finally landed on the idea that i needed a better method so I made this fixture out of some umhw plastic I had at work. Once I figured out that the palm router worked much better using a climbing cut , things went much smoother.
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From: buckeye
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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The bearing and collet I made out of an air line fitting
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From: buckeye
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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The ones that didn't make it !
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From: buckeye
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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The ones that did!
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From: buckeye
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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Once I tune up the bow they were built for, they will be wearing these .
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From: The Whittler
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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Very nice they look good congrats. Have you shot them yet.
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From: buckeye
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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The router
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From: Lefty38-55
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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Nice ingenuity!
I too have all the jigs, just haven't bothered with thm yet ... still fishing, lol!
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From: Buckeye
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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Alan, No I have not, The bow is on its last coat of finish. I am really looking forward to watching them fly tho!
Lefty, Fishing? Its deer season man!
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From: aromakr
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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Buckeye:
Very nice. PM me when you get time, I might have a way that will give you a better finish than a router.
Bob
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From: Lefty38-55
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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Buckeye ... fishing? Yup, bluefin toona, as late Sept to Oct is THE best time of year!!
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From: Buckeye
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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I'll make an exception for some toona . they eat just as good and some are heavier than a deer ! Good luck Dale.
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From: M60gunner
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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A friend of mine and his grandson are pulling them in over San Diego way. Lots of meat on one of those fish and if it’s done right the taste Is outstanding.
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From: Pa Steve
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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They came out really nice. Good job.
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From: The Lost Mohican
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Date: 27-Sep-21 |
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Great thread Buckeye, especially when you get input from Aromakr.....he knows his stuff!TLM
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From: Stoner
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Date: 28-Sep-21 |
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Great job & thanks for the build-a-long. Now where's the footed nocks? John
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From: Kunzie
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Date: 28-Sep-21 |
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Nothing prettier than a 4 wing footed shaft.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 28-Sep-21 |
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Okay, educate this old man. Wouldn't that shift the weakest point of the arrow to where the hardwood fades into the main shaft? Seems that would be the case, and also you have kind of compromised the original arrow shaft with that cut. Explain. They are beautiful though.
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From: Buckeye
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Date: 28-Sep-21 |
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George, The splice joint when done properly should be stronger than the parent material, the hardwood footing adds weight up front and should withstand more abuse when the arrow hits something hard. This is my understanding of it. Tonight I will take one that didn't quite make the grade and do a destructive test on it . I will be interested as to where and how it breaks.
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From: aromakr
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Date: 28-Sep-21 |
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George: It would be if the cuts in the shaft were made parallel to the shaft, but they are not, they slope for about 4" and blend into it, making it very strong when the joint is tight with a good quality glue. Shafts footed in this manner have been around for well over a hundred years and probably much longer. They wouldn't have survived that long if it was weak. Non-footed wood shafts are most likely to break right behind the point, footing increased the strength many times. The process came into being to repair broken shafts originally when it was discovered how much stronger they were, it became a process to be done during manufacture.
I have arrows in my collection that go back to the 1800's using the two point method, the four point like these are even stronger.
Bob
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From: Chairman
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Date: 28-Sep-21 |
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7-1 ratio in a splice joint is as strong as one piece. Arrow footings are much longer than that. The footing material is typically stronger than the shaft material , unless you are starting with hickory or ash, so the net result is a stronger arrow. I like them because they are pretty.
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 28-Sep-21 |
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Thanks guys, appreciate that. They are beauties.
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From: Bob Rowlands
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Date: 28-Sep-21 |
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Very cool! Thanks for the thread!
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From: buckeye
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Date: 29-Sep-21 |
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Before
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From: buckeye
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Date: 29-Sep-21 |
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And after, it broke almost as a normal shaft might, there was one wing that came off , but it took more of an angle to break than I thought it would.
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From: aromakr
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Date: 29-Sep-21 |
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dan:
Try using a good epoxy, next time. Not the fast set. Like West Systems. Oily woods are more difficult to use because they don't bond as well.
Bob
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From: Buckeye
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Date: 29-Sep-21 |
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I have plenty of EA 40 . I like that stuff.
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