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.166 micro arrows

Messages posted to thread:
Boker 11-Sep-21
Jegs.mi 11-Sep-21
Boker 11-Sep-21
Brian waters 11-Sep-21
Flinger1 11-Sep-21
arrowchucker 11-Sep-21
Matthewsman 11-Sep-21
Trailsend 12-Sep-21
Jegs.mi 12-Sep-21
oldtwohairs 22-Dec-21
Viper 22-Dec-21
PEARL DRUMS 22-Dec-21
Brian waters 22-Dec-21
PEARL DRUMS 22-Dec-21
oldtwohairs 22-Dec-21
DanaC 22-Dec-21
PEARL DRUMS 22-Dec-21
Altitude Sickness 22-Dec-21
Bowlim 22-Dec-21
strigif0rm3s 22-Dec-21
Pa Steve 22-Dec-21
Therifleman 22-Dec-21
lamb 22-Dec-21
Viper 22-Dec-21
Jon Stewart 22-Dec-21
Altitude Sickness 22-Dec-21
Altitude Sickness 22-Dec-21
Pa Steve 22-Dec-21
Fall Gray 22-Dec-21
Altitude Sickness 22-Dec-21
aromakr 22-Dec-21
Widow sax 22-Dec-21
Therifleman 23-Dec-21
Matthewsman 23-Dec-21
oldtwohairs 28-Dec-21
Buglmin 28-Dec-21
Kevin Dill 28-Dec-21
Altitude Sickness 28-Dec-21
From: Boker
Date: 11-Sep-21




Anyone is ring the micro diameter arrows?

Thinking about trying out the Victory Vaps.

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 11-Sep-21




I am in the process of tuning 5mm axis shafts to a new bow. I have always used aluminum or wood. Bare shaft seem very nock high. Haven't got it figured out yet.

From: Boker
Date: 11-Sep-21




Yeah there has been a learning curve with all of them for me , hadn’t tried the micro arrows yet. But I’d like to build some with a high percentage FOC just to test out. I need something in the 7 gpi range.

From: Brian waters
Date: 11-Sep-21




I shoot victory vap elites with their half out inserts. Theyre what im hunting with this year.

From: Flinger1
Date: 11-Sep-21




I made up some cx xsd predators and love everything about them except the half outs.

From: arrowchucker
Date: 11-Sep-21




I have 10-11 VAP 500 with the 50 grain outserts. I think 30”. Make you a great deal. Not saying I don’t like the skinny’s but only on my target bow. I used these last year and they flew like a dart. 50 gr outsert 175 Zwickey 2 bld. 46# OTF 28” draw. Never had a chance to at a deer though. Confident they would have done the job. If someone wants them send me a message. Arrowchucker

From: Matthewsman
Date: 11-Sep-21




i use black eagle instincts and love them.

From: Trailsend Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Sep-21




What about 4 mm shafts micro type they go deep Centaur sells with outserts. Shoot and tune With a heavy point.

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Sep-21




I don't think I am going to extreme foc 30"axis 8.9 grn. Per inch 175-220 up front 50 lb long bow roughly 520 total arrow weight depending on some unsolved variables.

From: oldtwohairs Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 22-Dec-21




What bow quivers have arrow grippers that will hold the micro instinct shafts. Ive been thinking about trying those shafts, but I want them to fit in a bow mounted quiver.

From: Viper
Date: 22-Dec-21




B -

I have VAPs (V3s) in several sizes. Their biggest advantage in longer range target work is their very light weight, and to a lesser degree wind bucking ability. I've also shot ACEs and X10's. Compared to standard size aluminum arrows, the difference is way less than the manufacturers want you to believe, IMHO anyway.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to shoot them from a "trad" or hunting bow, but that's just me.

Viper out.

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 22-Dec-21




I shoot the .166" ID shafts with outserts. I will NEVER shoot a standard carbon arrow again. Never.

From: Brian waters
Date: 22-Dec-21




Most quiver grippers can be outfitted for micros using rubber bands. The 1s i used were the small black 1s in the womens hair brush/ hair ties section in walmart. These were used on a efa quiver for .166 and .204 shafts. The .166 shafts are outstanding for penetration on the 2 deer i killed this year with a 35# bow.

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 22-Dec-21




GN makes a gripper that will hold them perfectly as well.

From: oldtwohairs Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 22-Dec-21




Thanks guys?? I think I'm going to order some instinct shafts and try them.

I shoot 200gr heads and want to keep my arrow weight in the high 500gr to 650gr range, so with those 100gr outserts that's what I should end up at.

I've got one bow that I run 400 spine now and my other one is using 500 spine.

From: DanaC
Date: 22-Dec-21




" I can't imagine why anyone would want to shoot them from a "trad" or hunting bow, but that's just me.

Viper out. "

If they get you a bit closer to center might that be an advantage in tuning?

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 22-Dec-21




Kevin, I shoot full length Bloodsport Evidence 400s with outserts. With a 100 grain tip I'm about 510-515 if I remember right. The GT Kinetic is another great micro option, but they are a few grains per inch lighter than the Evidence.

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 22-Dec-21




I just bought some Victory/Valkyrie Reign arrows .166 ID .233 OD 30” arrows with 250 upfront, weigh 599. They fly like a bullet. I have Slo Mo video of my shots and All I see is rotation. No flopping for 20 yards trying to recover. And I was shocked the fist two arrows punched through a pretty new block target at only 48#

I will only use them with my Bushmen or Zipper w/Morrison limbs

From: Bowlim
Date: 22-Dec-21




"If they get you a bit closer to center might that be an advantage in tuning?"

One thing that doesn't come up much in trad is the benefit of rigs shot with a release, from dead center alignment with the string. For obvious reasons.

But doesn't is work out that to initiate beneficial archer's paradox you need some arrow offset, and you need it for finger release? Is there an unlimited benefit to thinner arrows?

I can see that if you could tune a longbow without centershot so that the arrow point offset was perfect, then it would shoot like a bow with centershot. Though you can pick up a lot by simply getting rid of the leather.

From: strigif0rm3s
Date: 22-Dec-21




i've used them and love them. However parts and accessories for them are usually more expensive etc.

From: Pa Steve
Date: 22-Dec-21

Pa Steve's embedded Photo



I use direct bond stainless steel inserts from Ethics Archery. It eliminates the broadhead adapter and outserts. The pic is VAP shaft with direct bond insert and double footing with a Tuffhead broadhead. Very strong structurally and out penetrates any arrow I've ever used.

From: Therifleman
Date: 22-Dec-21




Agree w Steve and others--- the small diameter sure doesn't hurt penetration--a good reason to hunt with them. I did find the micro diameter tuned as expected with it's center being a bit closer to the riser.

From: lamb
Date: 22-Dec-21




x2 rifleman way better penetration with the skinny shaft .thats all i shoot . why wouldn't you shoot them out of trad bow would be a better statement

From: Viper
Date: 22-Dec-21




Dana -

Nope. All bringing the arrow center closer to center shot does is make you need a stiffer spine number.

Viper out.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 22-Dec-21




Reading all these posts with all the mm #'s, micro's and grains makes me glad I can grab a wood arrow, go out and kill a deer. You guys threw the KISS system right out the window, lol

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 22-Dec-21

Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo



Valkyrie 250 field point with a 56 grain center point outsert. So 356 grains up front

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 22-Dec-21

Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo



2” Rayzer feather at the rear. the front directs this missile. 350 spine 48# bow 27” draw

From: Pa Steve
Date: 22-Dec-21




Altitude, do you shoot Valkyrie broadheads? Very impressed with their system!/

From: Fall Gray
Date: 22-Dec-21




Loose an arrows = $35 gone. Hahaha. In all serious, depending on where you shoot, with the large outsert, you may run into some target issues. Also, with some, watch the wall stock thickness (difference between ID & OD/2). I had a BE X-Impact blow-up on me at release and shredded the tip on my longbow.

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 22-Dec-21




PA, I just got these. Yes the 250 Jagger

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 22-Dec-21




Jegs.mi:

If you nock under the nock set and didn't change it they will shoot nock high !

Bob

From: Widow sax
Date: 22-Dec-21




I used 4mm fmj's this year and will be using victory vap along with the 4mm fmj next year. Went thru two deer like hot butter. Realy love micro diameter arrows use to use them Beemans along time ago. I have never found anything to out penetrate them. Widow

From: Therifleman
Date: 23-Dec-21




DanaC. Sent you a PM.

From: Matthewsman
Date: 23-Dec-21




I shoot the Black Eagle Instincts and love them. The are super durable and great penetration.

From: oldtwohairs Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 28-Dec-21




Have any of you that are shooting the instincts with the 100gr Black Eagle outserts had any problems? Like breaking right behind the insert or having them come off in a target?

From: Buglmin
Date: 28-Dec-21




I used the Instinct arrows this past fall, and had no issues at all with them. But I used the Ethics Archery outsert system on them. The pentration I recieved from my 46 pound recurve was very impressive.

From: Kevin Dill
Date: 28-Dec-21

Kevin Dill's embedded Photo



Victory VAP Elite shafts. Valkyrie Centerpin inserts, Valkyrie 125 gr adapters. Abowyer Wapiti 175 gr. 63# bow at my draw. I have never seen a cleaner-flying arrow out of a bow. They penetrate extraordinarily well...as evidenced a few months ago. I got through-and- through penetration on this very large bull at 23 yards.

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 28-Dec-21




I agree Kevin. The clean flight is something see. Far less time to stop oscillating after paradox. And the clean flight really helps penetration.





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