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Red mulberry for self bow

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Wapiti - - M. S. 09-Jun-21
Andy Man 09-Jun-21
Jeff Durnell 09-Jun-21
4nolz@work 09-Jun-21
4nolz@work 09-Jun-21
Batman 09-Jun-21
Bassmaster 09-Jun-21
Wapiti - - M. S. 09-Jun-21
PEARL DRUMS 10-Jun-21
shortdraw 10-Jun-21
PEARL DRUMS 10-Jun-21
Wapiti - - M. S. 10-Jun-21
PEARL DRUMS 10-Jun-21
Bowdil Bowhunter 17-Jul-21
CStyles 18-Jul-21
Bjrogg 18-Jul-21
CStyles 18-Jul-21
Jeff Durnell 18-Jul-21
Jeff Durnell 11-Aug-21
Jeff Durnell 11-Aug-21
Lucas 11-Aug-21
Wapiti - - M. S. 11-Aug-21
Wapiti - - M. S. 12-Aug-21
Jeff Durnell 12-Aug-21
Bjrogg 12-Aug-21
Jeff Durnell 12-Aug-21
chamookman 13-Aug-21
Wapiti - - M. S. 13-Aug-21
Jeff Durnell 13-Aug-21
Wapiti - - M. S. 14-Aug-21
Iktomi 24-Oct-21
Pappy 1952 25-Oct-21
Eric Krewson 25-Oct-21
gifford 25-Oct-21
Wapiti - - M. S. 26-Oct-21
From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Jun-21




I was wondering how hard is red mulberry to work with. I'm planning to make a self bow,any suggestions or thoughts would be helpful.I cut this wood last spring,they haven't been split or sealed yet.

From: Andy Man
Date: 09-Jun-21




think related to osage?

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 09-Jun-21




It works really nice with all the usual tools, holds heat bends well, and makes a half decent bow. Why didn't you split or seal them? Are they logs?

They should be treated like osage from the beginning. Seal the ends, split, chase a heartwood ring and seal the back. They can also be made in a similar style to osage, just widen it and/or lengthen it a bit.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 09-Jun-21




It's a heartwood (as is Osage) I have an old Murray Gaskins video heartwoods how-to if you have a VCR you could borrow it

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 09-Jun-21




Need to split and seal before they crack

From: Batman
Date: 09-Jun-21




Any one have photos on the mulberry? Would LOVE to see the wood and maybe BOWS made from same??

From: Bassmaster
Date: 09-Jun-21




What Jeff said. Even our natives made some bows from Mulberry.

From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 09-Jun-21




They are just logs right now, thanks for the information.I will have to buy some tools to start this.

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 10-Jun-21




I have made several. Its okay bow wood. a bit soft and spongey, like walnut or hackberry. None have broke that I'm aware of. 67- 68" long and 1 5/8-1 3/4" wide for a 28" draw.

From: shortdraw
Date: 10-Jun-21




How would mulberry work for an ASL handle?

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 10-Jun-21




It would work, its very lightweight. So don't expect much mass with the bow.

From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 10-Jun-21




Thanks 4nolz@work but i don't have a recorder for that. What is the shortest length the bow could be made.Thinking about 60 or 62 are they doable?

From: PEARL DRUMS
Date: 10-Jun-21




draw length x 2 + 10 is a perfect length.

From: Bowdil Bowhunter
Date: 17-Jul-21

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I posted photos last year of my mulberry bow. Mine is actually a white mulberry. They grow like crazy on my property.

From: CStyles
Date: 18-Jul-21




Pearl drums is your formula for a bend thru the handle bow or a stiff handle bow? Chuck S

From: Bjrogg
Date: 18-Jul-21




Pretty sure it’s for a stiff handle.

Bjrogg

From: CStyles
Date: 18-Jul-21




Thanks Bjrogg

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 18-Jul-21




Yeah I'm confident Pearl was directing that toward stiff handled bows.

A good general guideline for stiff handled bows is 2 times the draw length, plus 10" or the length of the non-bending handle section... i.e. handle and fades. For lesser woods, add width and/or length.

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 11-Aug-21

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I worked on this mulberry log last week.

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 11-Aug-21

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From: Lucas
Date: 11-Aug-21




That is a big old mulberry Jeff!

From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Aug-21




Mine is is about 12 - 14 inch diameter and about 7 - 8 ft in length.That's a big log of mulberry Jeff.

From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 12-Aug-21




How soon do you split log into staff's. My 2 logs have been laying with bark on them since Late April or early May of this year.

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 12-Aug-21




Wapiti, that's a good manageable size. I would get it split open right away. Like this weekend. The sooner the better.

I like to split them the day the tree is dropped if possible. If that's not possible, then I do it as soon as I can, in the following few days. I like to have it done and out of the way, and doing so generally makes for better bow wood.

From: Bjrogg
Date: 12-Aug-21




What Jeff said. Will add though. I like to remove the bark and sapwood then to. Keeps the bug from boring into the wood. If you remove the bark and sapwood make sure you seal the back and end with shellac or something or drying checks can develop sometimes overnight

Bjrogg

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 12-Aug-21




Yes, I agree Brian. Shortly after the log is split, I get to work on the staves' bark and sapwood, quickly take the back down to a single heartwood growth ring, seal it, and reduce their thickness and width enough that they can be steamed and straightened and/or reflexed if so desired. It's a lot easier to do when the wood is wet and makes it safer from bugs, drying checks, warping and such.

From: chamookman
Date: 13-Aug-21




It is wise, to treat Mulberry like Hickory. It likes to retain water/gain moisture . Bob

From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 13-Aug-21




What's best to use for sealing them?

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 13-Aug-21




Shellac works well and dries quickly.

From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Aug-21




Thanks Jeff & everyone else for advice.

From: Iktomi
Date: 24-Oct-21




Mulberry is excellent bow wood. Less dense than Osage, but make it wider and it'll behave similarly

From: Pappy 1952
Date: 25-Oct-21




What Rick said, it makes a great bow, just usually much lighter than osage,in physical weight,so a little longer and wider works great. Pappy

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 25-Oct-21




I tried it but must have cut the wrong variety, it was very soft and splintery, I seasoned it for 20 years before I got around to working it. What I had just didn't feel like bow wood to me so I abandoned the project. The tree had mulberries hanging on it when I cut it, I thought it was osage until I saw the mulberries.

From: gifford
Date: 25-Oct-21




I seem to recall that Murray Gaskins was a proponent for Mulberry for self bows and in laminations. He didn't seem to think Red Mulberry was better than White. He considered it to be close to Osage. I made one years ago, Red Mulberry, using Comstock's the Bent Stick instructions for a flat bow. It was okay, didn't take too much set and I shot it for a couple seasons at 3-D and gave it away at a shoot; or maybe traded it. YMMV.

From: Wapiti - - M. S. Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 26-Oct-21




Thanks for information i don't know if i will get to it this fall or not.





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