Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Black widow bows and arrow speed

Messages posted to thread:
CHERV_72 14-Aug-13
Perun 14-Aug-13
Selden Slider 14-Aug-13
Joey Ward 14-Aug-13
CHERV_72 14-Aug-13
CHERV_72 14-Aug-13
stykbw 14-Aug-13
JusPassin 14-Aug-13
Paul M 14-Aug-13
CHERV_72 14-Aug-13
George D. Stout 14-Aug-13
Perun 14-Aug-13
FLINTHEAD 14-Aug-13
Dave Lay 14-Aug-13
Cyrille 14-Aug-13
Dkincaid 14-Aug-13
strshotx 14-Aug-13
Silverhawk 14-Aug-13
Gene L 14-Aug-13
Wildhog 14-Aug-13
Cyrille 14-Aug-13
Dkincaid 14-Aug-13
Cyrille 14-Aug-13
John Ryan 14-Aug-13
dynaflight71 19-Aug-13
Smithhammer 19-Aug-13
Strongbow 19-Aug-13
selfbow mike 20-Aug-13
Motega 20-Aug-13
Hunt OH 20-Aug-13
IaHawkeye 21-Aug-13
manitou1 21-Aug-13
WV Mountaineer 21-Aug-13
Shorthair 22-Aug-13
Paintedsticks 22-Aug-13
MikeW 22-Aug-13
Paul M 22-Aug-13
yorktown5 22-Aug-13
Otto 22-Aug-13
Landshark Launcher 22-Aug-13
Motega 24-Aug-13
Barrbow 26-Aug-13
md5252 26-Aug-13
dynaflight71 26-Aug-13
dynaflight71 26-Aug-13
IaHawkeye 27-Aug-13
dynaflight71 27-Aug-13
Motega 27-Aug-13
Rocket Dog 27-Aug-13
From: CHERV_72
Date: 14-Aug-13




Has anyone tested the average speed an arrow flies when shot from a black widow bow? I don't have aChronograph machine or know of anyone with one.. But I am curious how fast my arrows may be flying. Or if anyone can throw out a ball park figure for a recurve bow. Thanks

From: Perun
Date: 14-Aug-13




All you need

http://www.blackysbowreports.com/recurve-bows/blackwidow- pax/pax.htm

http://www.blackysbowreports.com/longbows/bw-plx/plx.htm

http://www.bowreports.com/index.php/traditionalbowreports/category /recurvebows.html

From: Selden Slider
Date: 14-Aug-13




I owned 2 Widows. They were great performers but I never noticed they that they were faster than any of my other bows. Not saying the weren't, just to my eye I couldn't tell the difference. If they are in fact faster than, let's say a Predator, or even vice versa, you can't tell without a chronograph. So why worry about it or have it make a difference to you. Frank

From: Joey Ward
Date: 14-Aug-13




I'd say most of 'em shoot about 300 fps.

But they are loud.

And stack.

From: CHERV_72
Date: 14-Aug-13




Frank- I love my PA BW, I am just curious for the sake of curiosity. And also curious on the amount of energy my arrows have on impact. I can figure out the KE by guessing arrow speed. But like I said just curious.

From: CHERV_72
Date: 14-Aug-13




Frank- I love my PA BW, I am just curious for the sake of curiosity. And also curious on the amount of energy my arrows have on impact. I can figure out the KE by guessing arrow speed. But like I said just curious.

From: stykbw
Date: 14-Aug-13




Was at a shoot last year at Enid Okla they had a chrono out with guys shooting wheel bows at about 290fps + I shot my widow PA 56#@ my draw 540gr arrow and averaged 188fps. If it helps ya any shoot straight

From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Aug-13




They're good solid performers, but they aren't speed demons.

From: Paul M
Date: 14-Aug-13




I have a PLIII it is 57@27 and it shot a 565grain Carbon 180fps a PSAIII 54@27 and it shot the same arrow 185fps and PSRV 43@27 and 540 wood 160fps

From: CHERV_72
Date: 14-Aug-13




Perun thanks that is exactly what I was looking for thanks

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Aug-13




Blacky's tests are unbiased and represent the bow's performance accurately. There's really not much difference in bows of like design nowadays. The Black Widow is a fine bow and will perform very well and last a lifetime.

From: Perun
Date: 14-Aug-13




1. Black Widow are pretty and good looking bows 2. they reliable 3. accurately created 4. they a shooter 5. and having speed, not missiles, but they are quite quick enough. 6 . They are LEGEND

From: FLINTHEAD
Date: 14-Aug-13




Black Widow PSA is the most stable[solid-heavy enough- forgiving] bow other than the Titan ILF I have ever shot. Some bows are faster--but speed sometimes sacrifices stability. Great bows--one opinion. Roy

From: Dave Lay Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 14-Aug-13




I agree with flinthead, a PSA is not the fastest bow out there but is bombproof, stable, and really a superb hunting bow... I think my 60@28 60" PSA shoots a 600 gr arrow about 185 or so.. but it could be 165 and I would still love this bow..

From: Cyrille
Date: 14-Aug-13




What's with this "need for speed?" if you want speed get a gun/ or Xbow! I do what is now labled "traditional" archery to have fun and practice woodcraft & hunting skills not race.

From: Dkincaid
Date: 14-Aug-13




traditional doesn't mean you don't want a bow to perform well. often times people are like why worry about speed well for me speed makes a darn big difference when I misjudge distance. speed also equals more penetration when matched with a good hunting weight arrow. is speed the most important factor to me no. but why shoot a pretty, stable accurate slow bow when you can have the same pretty stable accurate fast bow. with the bazillion bow makers in the world you can have your cake and eat it too.

From: strshotx
Date: 14-Aug-13




I haven't shot my Black Widow PLX through a chrony but it shoots plenty fast and I'm shooting almost 10 GPP.I have shot,traded and bought man longbows over the past 20 years.I can say that my Black Widow PLX fits me,shoots fast and accurate and a well made solid built bow.Shooting accurate is more important to me then FPS.I have chrono'd many of my bows in the past,with things matched up in GPP there wasn't a big difference in speed.I have many other bows from different bowyers and I think Black Widow makes a excellent quality bow,stable,accurate and fast!

From: Silverhawk
Date: 14-Aug-13




Speed is king.

From: Gene L
Date: 14-Aug-13




"Speed" without a draw weight and draw length is an illusive quarry. You don't need math to shoot a bow.

From: Wildhog
Date: 14-Aug-13




I agree with Dkincade. I shoot a 51# PSA11 w/470 grain arrow at 185 fps. It works just fine for me.

From: Cyrille
Date: 14-Aug-13




I shuoot a PMA and am absolutly flabegasted at the accuricy of the bow. but @ 20-25 yds. is speed really that important of a factor?

From: Dkincaid
Date: 14-Aug-13




cyrille what pound do you shoot

From: Cyrille
Date: 14-Aug-13




50# @30" why?

From: John Ryan
Date: 14-Aug-13




The need for speed or lack thereof is up to the individual. It can be a factor or not. My Black Widow PCHX does just fine with a moderately heavy arrow inside 20 yards. I'm not interested in shots longer than that. Now for 3d with my other lighter draw weight bows, I want a light, fast arrow, that makes it easier for me to hit the spot at various distances longer than 20 yards. Obviously killing power is not needed, just a relatively flat trajectory.

So it depends on the individuals perceived needs for a particular application. Speed wise, all of my Widows have been in the middle. Some bows are faster, some slower. And I've owned about 6 of them.

And lastly I'm traditional and have been for over 50 years. Sometimes I want speed and sometimes not. I like it close and personal when I'm after game. Targets, I'll reach on out there.

From: dynaflight71
Date: 19-Aug-13




Black Widow is the best bows out there...when it comes to recurves....longbow, I'm gonna have to go with the Toelke Whip. The BW recurve though is really smooth, stable, and no hand shock. I am getting about 178 fps-55# @ 28" with a CX 250 and a 180 gr front end.

From: Smithhammer
Date: 19-Aug-13




The OP's question was about BW's and speed, not whether or not speed is important. The general consensus is that BW's are solid, but not necesarily known for being tops in the speed dept. Given that this has been answered...

Obviously, by choosing to shoot traditional, we are also choosing to forego speed above all else, in favor of other things. But that doesn't mean that speed is entirely unimportant, imo - as long as it continues to be one of the two fundamental factors of the basic equation for momentum (or, if you prefer, KE), then it is worth paying some attention to. Personally, I see nothing wrong with a well-designed trad bow that offers good arrow speed.

BW's reputation is obviously solid, but for the prices they charge it should be. There are A LOT of good bows out there, that perform every bit as good or better, for far less money...

From: Strongbow Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 19-Aug-13




I have a Black Widow PLGA Anniversary model longbow and I never had a desire to check out how fast it is........but i know it shoots great and probably has similar or slightly better speed when compared to my other longbows ......My neighbor hunts with a compound and the first question he asked me when I bought it was how fast is it ....... I told him much slower than your compound but I like it because I actually have to pull its full weight back and I just enjoy hunting with Traditional stick bows !

From: selfbow mike
Date: 20-Aug-13




Joey, please don't make comments like that on here 99% of the people know what there talking about. You don't

From: Motega
Date: 20-Aug-13




Fastest bow I ever owned was a Martin Mamba. I have owned more than half a dozen various Widows and while they are pretty and have a good feel in the hand, I wouldn't say they have any groundbreaking designs that make them inherently faster than any other of the 50 or 100 top of the line bows. I've had longbows from them, recurves, and I found that they are CONSISTENT even before they went over to CNC. That's why I think they have such a good reputation. Also, thier top selling recurve designs won't stack, but I had a longbow that was uncomfortable at 68#@26" and stacked shortly therefafter- but that's a heavy bow. I think ANY really heavy bow is going to be more uncomfortable if overdrawn a little. In the end though, they deliver the goods within the time frame (or reasonably close) and produce very consistent quality which is a lot more than can be said for even some of the best of their competition. A lot of other top bowyers are hunting while the BW guys are in the shop. Also, fit and finish are usually very consistent. Also a huge problem with many other custom guys. I've had some very fast bows from other guys, bought a second in the exact same model/wood/poundage that was 30 fps slower. If you are after speed bring a chronograph to a shoot with vendors and just shoot all day till you find a fast one. Most guys care more about other things, but if fast bows are your thing it's no one else's business! Chronos are cheap BTW and a cool tool to have.

From: Hunt OH
Date: 20-Aug-13




Loved my 56" SA II! Super smooth and spit an arrow. Miss the ole girl.

From: IaHawkeye
Date: 21-Aug-13




Dynaflight71, That's your opinion!

From: manitou1
Date: 21-Aug-13




Where do all the comments "but they aren't speed demons"," the're not the fastest", etc. come from?

According to Blacky Schwartz's bow tests, the Black Widow he tested was one of the top three fastest bows tested at the time.

I have had several makes and models of bows, including five Black Widows and a Pittsley Predator with three sets of limbs. I have had three Black Widows custom made at the same draw weight, same veneers, and same laminations... but I have one, my PSA,that flat out smokes and arrow. I haven't shot a faster bow... and don't think I have seen one shoot faster personnally. It's a mystery to me, but this bow is a completely different animal. Alternately, I have a 64" PMA, same veneers, same laminations, same draw weight... and it is way slower. Go figure!?

From: WV Mountaineer
Date: 21-Aug-13




I like mine real well. It is a shooter and will shoot as hard as anything made except a good ILF bow. And it will be close at that. They are bomb proof. I shoot them very well and quite honestly, hope to kill a deer with mine this year. They can be fickle to tune to whisper quiet but, get the right string and talk to the man with the plan, (Rick Barbee) on how to quiten it even more. I have one shooting 53 pounds at my draw and I am shooting a 580 grain arrow outta it with authority. SO while they may not be on the top of some lists, they are right there with any made and will no dobt last a lifetime. God Bless

From: Shorthair Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 22-Aug-13




you can tell performance without a chronograph....relative speed, flight path and penetration can be determined just by shooting your bow. No need to complicate the uncomplicated.

keep em sharp,

ron herman

From: Paintedsticks
Date: 22-Aug-13




Those that have Widows love em but personally, I wouldn't give $20.00 for a whole barrel full of em...PR

From: MikeW
Date: 22-Aug-13




"Joey, please don't make comments like that on here 99% of the people know what there talking about. You don't"

I think that was sarcasm and humor on Joey's post. At least that's the way I read it.

From: Paul M
Date: 22-Aug-13




love my widows

From: yorktown5
Date: 22-Aug-13




From: Otto
Date: 22-Aug-13




I own over 25 custom bows from just about anyone that ever ran an ad in Traditional Bowhunter Mag. That includes the 6 or 7 Widows I currently have.

Widows aren't any faster or slower than any other trad bow out there.

Matter of fact.....within a range of about +/- 5-7 fps....there ain't squats worth of difference between any of them.

Nuthin worth arguing about.

From: Landshark Launcher
Date: 22-Aug-13




Paintedsticks, "$20.oo for a barrel full" has made you famous. :-)

From: Motega
Date: 24-Aug-13




Blacky Schwartz LOL

I'll second what Otto said 100% and chalk up whatever numbers the man comes up with to creativity.

From: Barrbow
Date: 26-Aug-13




I have a PLX, 64" 50lb at 28". Using a alpha chrony, and carbon express heritage 250's with a 200gr field point (arrow weight about 580grains) I am averaging 164 fps. I don't really care how fast they are going, but I had the chrony, and was curious.

From: md5252
Date: 26-Aug-13




@ 28" & around 9-10gpp I'd say you would be in the mid 180's

Solid performance. BW's really shine in stability and forgiveness

From: dynaflight71
Date: 26-Aug-13




Hawkeye, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE I SAY SO!!

From: dynaflight71
Date: 26-Aug-13




Hawkeye, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE I SAY SO!!

From: IaHawkeye
Date: 27-Aug-13




What a frickin' absurb statement. You're kidding I hope.!

From: dynaflight71
Date: 27-Aug-13




no.....I'm not.....kidding.

From: Motega
Date: 27-Aug-13




it's a well run business with good customer service and best of all additional limbs are a breeze to order. They also have great offerings in top notch exotic woods. Only weakness is the finish can be soft on some woods leading to gauging the first time you drop it on a sharp pebble. Battle scars though since you probably aren't going to sell it.I alos appreciate the fact the crew there never pulls a 2 week hiatus because they are all hunting. It's understandable but annoying some bowyers with a 6 month or year backlog feel it's OK to take several 2 week hunting trips a year leaving the shop unattended and as a result miss deadlines.

From: Rocket Dog
Date: 27-Aug-13




Don't know if the original op is still interested -- I couldn't get the links to Blackie's reports to work. Several years ago I compared a bunch of bows for speed. They were all within a few pounds of same draw weight, I made an arrow for each bow at 8.5 gpp. and had a set draw length. Black Widow PSA bows were 3-5 fps slower than the fastest bow I tried. Didn't try a PMA though I had one at the time.

I never had a problem with noise on a BW. Thought they were great bows, but had a mental problem with the design. I may, however, order another one one of these days.





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