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35lbs enough for hunting

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From: weekend redneck
Date: 06-Mar-10




need to bump down in bow wieght. thought about going down to 40lbs. just wondering how many of you are shooting 35lbs and if it works well for hunting deer and turkeys?

Thanks!

From: Scowler
Date: 06-Mar-10




Make sure that you check the relevent hunting regulations in your state pertaining to minimum bow weight for legal hunting.

From: BowBender1004
Date: 06-Mar-10




Most states have a 40# limit. That being said, 40# "should" be enough for 90% of the game in the US.

From: Night Wing
Date: 06-Mar-10




I have 3 bows. They are 42#, 41# and 37#. I've taken deer and small feral hogs with the 41# and 42# bows.

I'm going to take my 37# bow deer hunting this year. My arrow will weigh 526 grains and it will be tipped with a 2 blade glue on STOS 145 grain broadhead glued to a 36 grain screw-in Zwickey long broadhead adapter. This setup gives me a heavy arrow shooting 14.21 grains per pound. The arrow is also flat shooting out to 20 yards.

From: GLF
Date: 06-Mar-10




geesh, check your laws

From: weekend redneck
Date: 06-Mar-10




no minumium in iowa

From: Night Wing
Date: 06-Mar-10




No minimum in Texas.

From: PineLander
Date: 06-Mar-10




A 35-40# bow will get it done on deer and turkey, but it's obviously at the low-end. I'm shooting 40-45# and because of that, I shoot a high-performance bow and pay very close attention to arrow tuning. I use skinny arrows, high FOC, no ropes for strings, and I don't overdo it with the fletching either.

I wouldn't recommend a slow heavyweight arrow or a fast lightweight arrow. At that poundage, I think it helps to stay within the 9-11 GPP arrow weight range. I believe the balance between arrow speed and arrow weight becomes more important at the lower poundages. Too little or too much of either one can be detrimental to penetration capabilities.

From: Idahocurt
Date: 06-Mar-10




Nightwing,

Just curious as to why you would want to hunt with a bow that low in weight?

While I'm sure you can do it,why take the risk? I would think the % of lost animals goes up the lower your draw weight?

From: PineLander
Date: 06-Mar-10




Sapcut, have you ever bowhunted deer using a 35-40# stickbow?

From: PineLander
Date: 06-Mar-10




The percentage of lost deer goes up the more times you miss your intended target area. It has very little to do with draw weight (within reason) and very much to do with accuracy.

From: SavageJesse
Date: 06-Mar-10




Deer are not hard to kill. There are records of women killing deer a long time ago with 25# bows and short draws. Now improve the efficiency of the bow, make the string better, use carbon arrows, make the bow 35#, and a draw length longer than 24in. What do you think will happen when the arrow hits the deer? My grandpa killed deer with 30# bows all the time when he was young. A 35-40# bow will have no problem with deer. I don't know about turkeys though. I've heard that they're pretty tough.

From: Sapcut
Date: 06-Mar-10




Pinelander, No I haven't. And yes I know it is enough to kill a deer. I made that statement because I am against the idea of encouraging someone to use the least they can instead of work toward the most. I may be wrong but I think most would rather use the least because they are scared of a little muscle pain and gain. I think that it is better to expect an ethical hunter to put more into their weapon not see how much can be taken away.

Richie

From: Night Wing
Date: 06-Mar-10




Idahocurt,

I've never lost an animal while shooting light weight poundages. I put a razor sharp broadhead through both lungs of every big game animal I've ever bowhunted. All of my shots have been under 20 yards. Most have been from 12-17 yards. Almost all of them have been past throughs except on feral hogs and those have almost been past throughs. My first deer I took with a bow was with an old Wing target bow, with white limbs, at 38 pounds. I've been bowhunting for 45 years. One doesn't need 55# bows and up to bowhunt deer. In my day, 45# bows were the norm with an occasional 50# bow. I'm probably shooting more grains per pound than you are. Here are my bows lengths, poundages, draw length, arrow length, along with grain weights and grains per pound.

66", 42# @ 30" with a 32", 555 grain 2213 arrow gives me 13.21 gpp

68", 41# @ 30" with a 32", 526 grain 2212 arrow gives me 12.82 gpp

66", 37# @ 30" with a 32", 526 grain 2212 arrow gives me 14.21 gpp

A deer is not an african rhino. It's a thin skinned aminal. Lastly, I enjoy shooting light weight bows. I come to my anchor and hold for a few seconds and then release the arrow. I'm not a snap shooter. Snap shooters come to their anchor point and let the arrow fly.

When I go to range, some of the guys with their 50#,55# and 60# trad bows are shooting targets alongside me. After an hour, their arrows are starting to go all over the target while I'm still around the bullseye.

From: David Mitchell
Date: 06-Mar-10




Would anyone here be willing to extend your arm forward exposing your chest and allow me to shoot you with a 35# bow at say, 15 yards, with a razor sharp broadhead? Most of us are a good bit bigger than the deer we kill.....No? Didn't think so :o)

From: PineLander
Date: 06-Mar-10




Fair enough, Richie... based on your perception as to why people use lower poundage bows. But the fact remains (regardless of their reasons or your thoughts on ethicalness)... deer are easily killed with 40# stickbows.

I had some bow arm elbow problems a few years ago and so I hunted with a 40# recurve. I was glad I did, rather than just sitting out the bowhunting season because someone might have told me it wasn't enough poundage for deer. I do not encourage folks to use the least amount of poundage when hunting deer, but neither will I hide the fact that most any stickbow is capable of killing them.

- Dave

From: PineLander
Date: 06-Mar-10




With your 30" draw length Night Wing, and your field experience with them.... I will withdraw my heavy boat-anchor arrow with low poundage bow opinion. :-)

For a contrasting view to yours (but with similar in results)... I'm shooting 43-45# @ 27" and my skinny 440 gr. carbons blow right through deer like gong through a wet paper bag. And they even break those popsicle sticks called ribs!

From: Sapcut
Date: 06-Mar-10




Pinelander, Totally agree.

From: DeerSpotter
Date: 06-Mar-10




I shoot with a 43# @ 29", and I don't need someone to tell me that I need more poundage and don't tell me not to hunt until I or anyone else can.

It really gets into my crawl, I can understand what the original question an original poster was trying to say. I have arthritis in my back and probably in my shoulders. I've had a shoulder problems for years. And 35 pounds will put a arrow right through a deer.

And shooting 35 to 40 pounds will probably put an arrow in the right spot more times often than those that shoot 50 are 60 pounds, and they haven't connected with their brain yet that they can't hit with 60#

Time and time again we hear people say on here

" accuracy, accuracy"

and that's what I find that I get when I'm in a lower poundage. I can hit the spot, and hit it more often. And that's what's gonna kill the deer not the poundage.

Now I agree with the poster up above that you should not shoot with a lower poundage, if you're capable of shooting with the heavier one. But if you're not and you've got physical restraints, or if you've got a good attitude and form with a 35# to 45#, why not that should be the question.

I shoot with 450 gr arrows. And I also have a a 40# pound bow, it makes me wanna schedule an elk hunt, and go and hunt with it, just to get into somebody else's crawl, and don't tell me about accuracy within 20 yards.

anybody that shoots a lower poundage bow knows their limitations, and probably follows them better than someone shooting with a 50 or 60 pound bow, because those shooting with heavier poundage bows have a tendency to take the chance with a longer shot, and the person with a lower poundage bow is probably a better hunter, you gain a different attitude when you're out there with a 35 pound bow, I know I have a different attitude when I take my 43 pound out, I want that deer within 10 to 15 yards, I will take a 20 yards shot, but that deer better be relaxed, and practically snoring before I do.

I have joined the ranks of the lower poundage bows simply because of limitations on my body, it's not gonna get any different, and the broadheads are really sharp, I can shave hair off the back of my hand.

My suggestion, before you tell a ban you can't shoot with that lower poundage, stand alongside of men shoot at targets, look in his face and see if determination, I know that determination does not kill deer, but determination with a accuracy and good form will do a lot.

It's taken me years to get to this point, because I was just like everybody else.

Over bowed, and every shot I wonder what I do wrong, I've never enjoyed archery more than one I'd have dropped to the 40 and 45# bows

I'll put a disclaimer on here, I'm not trying to insult anyone shooting higher poundage bows, but the man wants a real live answers not attitudes, or what people think they know,

I've seen plenty of threads with lower poundage bows that have dead animals in them, and I've never seen a complaint from one of the animals about a lower poundage.

You can fire away, but I'll get over it eventually, it's just a pet peeve, probably because I'd like to shoot higher poundage.

But accuracy works for me !

Carl

From: bbaker
Date: 06-Mar-10




DeerSpotter: Well written. Some of these big strong young guys that can shoot heavy bows might not be able to when they get older like me.

I was young and strong once upon a time and thought nothing would ever get me down. At my age I am very happy to just be shooting with my 40# bow.

From: Sapcut
Date: 06-Mar-10




"...probably because I'd like to shoot higher poundage."

You're probably right.

From: tradmark
Date: 06-Mar-10




yes, well established it'll kill any deer walking with a decent setup. any answer to the contrary is really just ill informed and silly.

From: reddogge
Date: 06-Mar-10




Keep em close and your best chances are from a ground blind for a good blood trail. Only take the high percentage shoots too. Should do the job. Maryland has a 30# limit on vertical bows.

From: oldbow
Date: 06-Mar-10




Deerspotter, I agree with your line of thinking a 100%.

Those 43 pound Super Diablos would blow an arrow through any Deer walking in Southern Missouri, I know.

I've even shot them with that bow weight and cut two ribs completely into on both sides using the old two bladed Mighty Goshawk.

I like my animals close; I can kill them on out there aways but I just enjoy those close encounters.

Those old 66 inch target bows in 37-38-40 pounds killed a lot of Deer in this area back in the 1960's and early 1970's before everyone thought they needed an Elephant killing, muscle tearing bow that ruined a man for life.

From: N. Y. Yankee
Date: 06-Mar-10




Can you do it? Sure you can! Should you do it? Ultimately, you make the decision. Wild animals are tough and have a strong will to live. Can you put an arrow with a sharp broadhead through both lungs of a fully mature Whitetail? Are you really sure? Answer these questions honestly to yourself and you will figure it out. A .22 will kill a deer, but that doesn't make it a deer rifle.

From: Painted sticks
Date: 06-Mar-10




I have no doubt that at 20 yds I could put a steel blunt through both lungs of a deer with my 53# bow...PR

From: GLF
Date: 06-Mar-10




Howed we get from 35 to 43,45 and so forth, big difference? The lower the weight gets the more every pound means.

From: ole thumper
Date: 06-Mar-10




Kinda like, people shooting Mag. Rifles and flinching and missing their Game, Some people are better shots, with a .243 than a. 300 Magnum!

By the way, I ordered a #40lb. Longbow last week, I have been Shooting a #55 Longbow. I started Bowhunting in 1967, I'm getting older and weaker and. Just maybe a little smarter with old age!!! But, I doubt it!

From: Bushbow
Date: 06-Mar-10




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From: Bushbow
Date: 06-Mar-10




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Date: 06-Mar-10

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From: PineLander
Date: 06-Mar-10




" Can you put an arrow with a sharp broadhead through both lungs of a fully mature Whitetail? Are you really sure? "

Yes, with bows in the 37-43# range with a 27" draw. I could show my most recent kills with such setups, but I don't think it is really necessary. :-)

From: PineLander
Date: 06-Mar-10




".... before everyone thought they needed an Elephant killing, muscle tearing bow that ruined a man for life. "

True on both accounts. :-)

I wonder about the frequent shoulder surgeries going on within the trad bowhunting community. Were they caused by heavy bows or something else, don't really know. Same thing with elbow problems and finger problems. Sure, there are guys who can shoot heavy bows and good for them. But generally speaking within the mainstream of stickbow archers, I think super heavy bows can cause problems.

From: Sapcut
Date: 06-Mar-10




There are plenty of people with shoulder, elbow, wrist, hand, finger, etc. problems that have nothing to do with hunting. When they get those injuries they keep physical therapists in business with rehab exercises that are more strenous than pulling a bow.

I do wonder if there is a difference in the bow pullin world and the other world.

From: olongbow
Date: 06-Mar-10




Under PA game commission regulations 35# is leagal to down big game.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=609150&mode=2

(click on big game regs)

If it was insufficient I do not think it would be legal.

From: badger
Date: 06-Mar-10




Lots of guys are killing deer with bows shooting 500 grain arrows around 145 fps. I have clocked them at their normal draws and releases. A 35# modern bow can easily shoot a 500 grain arrow at 160 fps with a decent release, No reason someone should deny themselves the right to hunt because they can't draw over 35#. Not everyone can work up higher for a variety of reasons. Steve

From: oldbow
Date: 06-Mar-10




Years ago two guys had a button buck that weighed about 60 pounds (it was dead) and I bet them that I could shoot through it with a 15 pound bow and they were kind of awl struck when the two blade Bear headed arrow passed through the rib cage area and was sticking about 12 inches out the other side of the Deer do don't be stupid enough to let someone convince you that you won;t get hurt if they shoot you with a 15 pound bow.

From: EarthDog
Date: 06-Mar-10




In New Zealand,the law staes you must shoot at lest 45lb on public land,,so 35 is obviously illegal.

But in practicality,I would be quite happy to hunt deer with a 40lber,,,,but not Turkeys,,because I've shot dozens of those things and belive their a lot tougher than a deer.

For a couple of years the Australian record Rusa deer record was held by a young boy that shot the animal with a 30lb recurve,,and Rusa deer are a lot bigger and tougher than whitetail.

I also had a picture of another young man in South Africa with a compound shot Adult Kudu,shot with 35lbs.

Just don't try it on a Turkey,,the thing might take offence an have a go at you ;)

From: oldbow
Date: 06-Mar-10




Back in the 1970's Colorado had a law which required you to hunt Elk with a 48 # or more draw weight bow. They required 40 # for Deer at that time.

Kind of put a person on the spot if they were hunting Deer with a 40# bow and a Big Bull walked up at ten steps and you had an Elk tag.

From: James Wrenn
Date: 07-Mar-10




I guess it depends on whos using it.I could kill all the deer I wanted with a 35lb bow if it was legal to use.Heck I could fill my tags with a 25lb but it might take a little longer to get the shots I needed.There are a lot of things about hunting I am more concerned about than bow weight each year.Deer are just too easy to kill if you use broadheads on your arrows to warrent much thought about bow weight. jmo

From: Bowferd
Date: 07-Mar-10




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From: Al
Date: 07-Mar-10




Seems like on every one of these posts the weight gets less. Now we are at 35#. There is, I assume, a weight that is to light for hunting. I personally don't know what that is. I guess I believe that as weight goes down, so does effective killing distance. At some point effective killing distance will be 0. Bottom line to me is patience for a shot presentation that is in your effective range.

From: James Wrenn
Date: 07-Mar-10




" Bottom line to me is patience for a shot presentation that is in your effective range. "

That is pretty much it in a nutshell. :)

In most places the State tells us what we have to use and the min for killing animals that live there.All you have to do is check the regs where you live to answer most of threse questons.A few lucky ones might live in places that limits are not set for them.I guess those States assume there residents have enough common sense to make there own choices. ;)

From: limbwalker
Date: 07-Mar-10




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Men, Men, Men, Men......

And so it goes...

Sorry folks, but the days of Howard promoting 70#+ bows are over... A well tuned, efficient 35# bow drawn to 28" should be just fine to take a whitetail.

Just remember that a 35# bow drawn to 30" is going to be about equal to a 50# bow drawn to 26", which is what a lot of guys hunt with all the time. Think about it... It's not the final draw weight, but the energy it generates...

John.

From: meguide
Date: 07-Mar-10

meguide's embedded Photo



My Son Shot this Hog With a palmer @ about 35#. Went about 75yds and fell over! The stinger Broadhead did its job as well! Tony

From: Night Wing
Date: 07-Mar-10




I'll be a little more specific with my setup. Bowstring material also plays a part along with having a bow cut to center or past center and if past center, how much past center. All of my bows are cut 3/16" past center. I also set my nockset at 5/8" high off the shelf and I shoot off the shelf. I also shoot with a tab; split finger: two over, one under.

Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 42# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2213. PW: 180 Grains. AW: 555 Grains. GPP: (13.21). BS: Dyna97. BH: STOS 145 Grain

Blacktail TD Recurve: 66", 37# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 180 Grains. AW: 526 Grains. GPP: (14.21). BS: Dyna97. BH: STOS 145 Grain

Belcher Longhorn LB: 68", 41# @ 30". Arrow: 32", 2212. PW: 180 Grains. AW: 526 Grains. GPP: (12.82). BS: Dacron. BH: STOS 145 Grain

I'm looking forward to taking my 37# Blacktail recurve on it's first javelina and deer hunt this upcoming Fall of 2010.

If some people wonder why I don't shoot carbon arrows, that's easy to answer. The proper spine for my setup would be a Beman 3555. But, I shoot a 32" BOP arrow. A Beman 3555 full length shaft is 30" long. One can't make a 32" arrow out of a 30" shaft. A 32", 5575 carbon arrow at my draw length is way too stiff.

From: Night Wing
Date: 07-Mar-10




Edit. I shoot with a tab: one over, two under. Wish this site had an edit function.

From: rustyc
Date: 07-Mar-10




LOL - I think it is the other way round. takes a 65# bow to kill a fox squirrel and 35# bow to kill a deer.

rusty

From: CaptJack
Date: 07-Mar-10




My two regular hunting bows are both 64"-45#@28" and are around 53# at my draw length - more than enough for anything I hunt. I use 2117s & 2018s 615grn arrows with both of these bows.

But I'm shooting an old Hoyt Pro Medalist 69" 37# target bow with 2114s for a 3-D bow at the moment. It's 43# at my draw. I've been thinking about setting up one of my 64" bows with limbs around 40#s for a new hunting bow. As NightWing said, it's so much easier to hold your anchor for a few more seconds with the lighter poundage, and as has been said, there's no problem with penatration with anything we shoot in Texas (well maybe a 300#+ boar with a thick shield ;-)

From: James Wrenn
Date: 07-Mar-10




Some always get upset about bow weights.If I told someone I wanted to hunt grizzly bears with my 46lb bow they get torn all to pieces about it.In truth it would be plenty of bow weight.

example..Monty Browning killed his record bear with a 90lb bow shooting a 1500gn arrow.He told me his speed was 110fps with that setup.My 48lb Quinn shoots my 1500gn fish arrow 110fps.My 46lb ilf limbs on a DAS or lots of other risers shoots the same arrow 118fps.More power than Monty was shooting with a 90lb bow.

Now you have people that think a light bow won't even kill a little deer or turkey.Does not make a lot of sense just judgeing things on what is marked on the bow does it? :)Maybe that is why I have to laugh at all these silly "is this enough threads?".If guys would do just a little research you would see bow weight or arrow weight alone means very little for killing most of the animals we hunt.Animals are not getting tougher,bowhunters are just starting to quit thinking outside the internet box. lol

From: GLF
Date: 07-Mar-10




For one thing, unless I missed a post he didn't say anything about a 30 inch draw. And he ask about 35 lbs, everyones telling him about 40,45,50 and more. Personally I'd hunt with 35 if I couldn't possibly pull any more than that. I'd try for 40 at least tho because even 40 lbs is so much faster with a decent weight arrow than 30 or 35. But shot selection would have to be the best possible. Theres virtually no margin for error with a 35lb bow.

From: Huntnjim Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 07-Mar-10




35#s is legal in Colorado however discouraged due to wounded deer. My Great Uncle loved to hunt and late in life developed cadiracks in his eyes. He did not stop hunting but just made himself shoot INSIDE 20 yards with no compromise.

From: weekend redneck
Date: 07-Mar-10




after watching turning into a big flaming fire which i didnt intend-

-I am not a novice to trad archery been doing it about 20 years now -I did a search to find out my states minimium bow poundage requirements before i posted my question. -I did several keyword searchs here could not come up with any links that would pertain to the subject -I consider the people on this website the experts when it come to trad archery so why not ask the question and get an answer instead of going ahead and wounding an animal with a 35lb bow-Its good to get these things "aired out" -I hope that spring gets here soon.

Jason

From: Arrowflinger
Date: 07-Mar-10




I have a freind in Texas that got his wife into bow hunting several years ago. She has been shooting a 35 pound bow at her draw length and has killed several deer and antelope. Some of those bucks made pope&young. She has no problems. Shoot what is legal in your state, tune for good arrow flight, and you will have no problems........

From: CaptJack
Date: 07-Mar-10




Weekend Redneck - The minimum in Texas was 40# for many years, but a few years back they dropped the minimum poundage restriction. I heard the main reason was the speed and power from even the very low poundage compands that the kids were shooting was more than enough to kill a whitetail.

Arrowflinger If you're talking about Nancy - Mike built her bow at 28#. Mike told me that she still got almost complete pass through at around 15yds on that first buck she shot - just the fletchings were still in the deer. She was shooting a Wensel Woodsman head.

From: PineLander
Date: 07-Mar-10




Okay, here is another one from my perspective.

Based on what I know a 36# @ 26" recurve with a 400 gr. aluminum arrow and 2-blade broadhead does to a 225 lb. Illinois buck... you won't have a problem killing white-tailed deer with your 35# bow, even in Iowa where the deer are just as big as they are in IL. :-)

From: KyPhil
Date: 07-Mar-10




I had a buddy who put his son in a blind with a 25 pound bow just to entertain him. Gave him an arrow and broadhead. His son came and got him an hour later and said he shot a deer. The dad thought that wasn't good and asked where it went. The boy said nowhere, it just fell over and that is what happend. Shot him in the back and the deer fell over and died. The deer was close, like right outside the blind.

Also I've had alot of 55 and 60 pound hickory self bow's that weren't any faster than a 35 pound recurve.

From: EricPootatuckArchers
Date: 01-May-10




don't hunt with a 35lbs bow - min I recommend is 45lbs

From: Cheque
Date: 01-May-10




You can also kill deer regularly with a .22. But if you can shoot more, do it.

From: Coldtrail
Date: 01-May-10




If I get to where I can't pull more than 35, then I'll hunt with a 35. It WILL cleanly take a deer at reasonable deer hunting distance. It's really a non-issue. Everyone says be extra particular with where you hit, and have sharp broadheads, but the same is true of any bow. I would hunt with a 35 with full confidence.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 02-May-10




Not me Dave but I will let you shoot a button off my head. LOL

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-May-10




The windbags will tell you never, but if you can't shoot more than that it's your call. Thirty-five pounds will kill a whitetail easily but it is best you maximize the performance of the bow, just for the halibut 8^). Observe what your state's minimum weight is for bowhunting....that weight was not figured out with a coin flip.

I have seen many a hunter with fifty-five and sixty-five pound bows barely pulling them 25 inches while shooting. Come to ETAR at Denton Hill in July if you think I'm kidding. You will see struggles beyond imagination, and folks thinking they are getting performance when they would do better with ten pounds less....both in accuracy and performance. More than once, I have shot with guys shooting heavy bows who don't get near their face before releasing.....pulling four inches short of their arrow tips.

You can maximize the performance of a 35 pound bow to where it approaches that of a 45 pound recurve. Most of that enhancement comes from the archer; use a solid dynamic release and you will pick up five fps over a static release in most cases. Use a stick on rest to maximize arrow flight...it won't change your shooting style...even instinctive. Make sure your nocks are smooth fit on the string, and use the lowest brace height that the bow will bear and still be quiet and shootable.

If you do that, you will lose nothing to the guy shooting a 55 pound bow and only pulling 25 inches. It's all in the dynamics and all the naysayers have no clue about the power of such an instrument.

From: Dogger1
Date: 02-May-10




I agree George, You said what I've been thinking for a long time. There are alot of guys that would be better off shooting 5 to 10 lbs. less and getting 1-2 in. more draw. From what I've seen people tend to shorten there draw to counter the poundage. This leaves them with not having a solid set point. Comfort for me is being able to hold my bow for 10 to 15 sec. at full draw and not looking like a paint shaker. If that means 45# then it is waht it is.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 02-May-10




Lots of guys short draw no matter what the weight bow they shoot. Target panic.

From: 3Ditional
Date: 02-May-10




Simple question, simple answer, YES!

From: swamprat
Date: 02-May-10




Well said George!!!

From: harlen
Date: 02-May-10




The original question was is #35 enough to hunt with. Yep, squirrels, rabbits, birds, coyotes, fish, deer (really pretty fragile) and hogs (if you are a good shot).

From: Sixby
Date: 02-May-10




Not all 35 lb bows shoot the same. Perhaps it would be important to have a hi performance bow if you are going to shoot a light weight bow to hunt. It would make sense to me to have a bow that was utilizing stored energy to the mas , light string , well tuned arrow and a razor sharp broadhead. Personally I have no problem with people hunting with light bows that know what the limitations are and have good skills.

From: WI_chemist
Date: 02-May-10




Arrows kill deer by cutting, and deer don't really have much "armor" to get through. 40 or 35 Lbs. is reasonable at close ranges.

From: Joe Van 125
Date: 02-May-10




I would say that 95% of the people that i see shooting 60lbs bows would be a lot better off shooting a 40lb bow.

These guys are way overbowed and we spend more time hunting there arrows than we do seeing what they scored on a 3-D target.

From: Zipperin'
Date: 02-May-10




NIce thread.

Zip'

From: Adam Howard
Date: 02-May-10




Very well said N.Y. Yankee !!

From: Adam Howard
Date: 02-May-10




Ever notice how most "Lightbow" kills are with Recurves .... Dont get me wrong, Traditional is Traditional, for whatever that means these days, But for {me} there's nothing more Traditional than a Long Sleek L/B ... Have Fun All !!!

From: oso Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-May-10




35# to 40# is the best I can do with my new shoulder joint installed last yr. And I'm lucky to be able to do that. Blessed. I've already killed big deer and big pigs with 35#.

Hey, let's be honest ---- if you miss your mark it don't matter WHAT poundage youre' shootin'. Archery is meant to be a tissue cutting game. Plain and simple. Sometimes you'll get away with cutting rib bones and grissle and hard tissue. Good for us. Accuracy is my biggest problem and my most important goal. Happy huntin' oso

From: Gene Carroll
Date: 03-May-10




Darn, I turned 59 in March. Have had surgery on both shoulders along with both knees and 3 hernias repaired over the years. With lots of work and excercise on my part, I'm still shooting 57-60# regularly and with ease....One of those shoulder surgeries was complicated and took 8 months to recover from. [ with a Helicoil in the shoulder to re-attach a deltoid muscle in my drawing shoulder.]

I feel it's "my duty" to be as efficient and accurate as possible when attempting to take any animals life. I do not feel it's very humane ot ethical to attempt to take a life with marginal equiptment.

That said if, and when the time does arise, that I have to step back, I think I would be looking at a compound [ dread the thought] I could still shoot a bow that is efficient that still allows sufficient time to place the arrow accurately.

As far as 25,30, or 35.....yes... as a Rifle Caliber...but no way do I feel that is ethical in huntig big game.

That said..Me and my 58# Kwyk Styk will be leaving May 18th for an Alaskan Black Bear Hunt with some halibut fishing thrown in.....

Guys I know it can be a bit painful and time consuming, but there is alot to be said for "Plain Old" exercise... get up away from the computer and try and strengthen your body a bit every day....I refuse to get Old.. I fight it every day. Unfortunately I have been a welder and smoker most of my adult life.. that dammage is done.. I have adapted by moving slower, and huntin' flatter terrain. But, in no way will I adapt in a manner that will not allow me to take an animals life cleanly and humanely.. When that time does arrive I'll gladly sit in the back yard with the grandkids and teach them to love archery and all it has to enjoy.

From: 3Ditional
Date: 03-May-10




Gene, having being a welder and a smoker, you have "adapted" to the damage that has been done by moving slower and huntin' flatter terrain.

Not all hunters with shoulder injuries are as fortunate as you to be able to exercise back to full strength, and still able to shoot higher poundage bows. Having no choice, and still wanting to shoot trad equipment, they "adapt" by dropping down in bow poundage.

There is nothing inhumane or unethical about hunting deer size and smaller animals with a hunting weight arrow with a sharp broadhead, shot with a 35# bow, if you know what you're doing!

Have a nice day........3D

From: Gorbin
Date: 03-May-10




Thanks guys. I thought I would have to work my way up from my 45lb. Bear Montana to a 'hunting weight' of 55-65lbs. that the young man said at my local big box outfitter suggested. After reading all the wisdom so freely shared I realize that my bow is good to go, the rest is up to me!

Gorbin.

From: Redback
Date: 03-May-10




Here in my home State of Victoria,Australia the minimum legal poundage for a Recurve bow for hunting is "50lb" yes FIVE ZERO!

As far as i know all prehistoric animals died out a long time ago down here in Oz so i dint know what the legislators were drinking when they decided upon that one! I read your posts with awe and pray for the day when i can take a 40 lb bow out in the field. On another note our minimum legal requirement for shooting Sambar deer(maybe similar in size to Elk?) in a rifle calibre is a .270.Which means my favourite calibre the .257 Weatherby is not considered powerful enough to kill a Sambar deer???

If we are caught below any of the minimum requirements all our gear gets confiscated along with a court conviction loss of licence and a hefty fine.

Sixby brought up a most interesting point-

Not all same poundage bows will cast an arrow with the same speed or energy transfer.I have two 59# bows that shoot an arrow at totally different speeds and achieve different penetration results-as a rough example.

So perhaps material composition making up the limbs plays an important part in determining wether a particular poundage bow is sufficient to generate enough speed or energy transfer to the arrow.

I am not a Bowyer and am ignorant to design considerations-I would love to hear Bowyers opinions on this.

Redback

From: GLF
Date: 03-May-10




"I have seen many a hunter with fifty-five and sixty-five pound bows barely pulling them 25 inches while shooting" George now a days I see that alot, guys drawing half way back n let em fly, but around here at the shoots most everyone is shooting 40-45 lbs and still half drawing. Only one I know shooting even 60(which I consider light weight) is me n mine anchors at a solid 32 inches.

From: oso Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 03-May-10




Gene --- Get the new "reverse titanium shoulder joint implant coupled with the problem of torn and retracted tendens and ligaments and no rotator cuff. It will redefine the term "plain ole' exercise" and also " threshold of pain". I'm good with 35 lbs. My problem has always been sharp accuracy. Happy huntin' oso

From: Geauga bowman
Date: 03-May-10




If you stick to small game! we owe it to the game to make the best shot possible ,with enough bow to back it up!

From: Dave Lay Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-May-10




Gene, like you, I have had back surgery last year, I severed a bicep tendon in my drawing arm 2 years ago, 2 colon surgerys within the last 10 years, seems like I always have some kind of injury from a active lifestyle, but at 56 of medium build, but about 30lbs overweight.. I am shooting a 58lb hunting bow, dropped from a few years ago from 65lb, obviously we are all diffrent and lead diffrent lifestyles, But even when I had broken my bicep tendon I killed 2 deer with it broken shootin a 63lb bow, before i went to the doc because I knew my huntin season would be over. I guess if ya have the desire and totally not physically able to draw more than that hunt with it, but I think barring a really bad handicap I would switch sides or do something to allow more draw weight than 30lbs.. that is under our state min. by 10lbs. I assume for a reason, same analogy as above. killin deer with a .22 is illegal for a reason... bowhuntin is very important to me and I want to do it right. I feel 30 lbs is bad light but can kill whatever if ya hit it right.. so take that as ya will...

From: farcher Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-May-10




NC is 40# traditional and 35# compound

From: Wudstix Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 04-May-10




In Texas it is. There is no lower limit any more. Good arrow flight and sharp cut on impact heads will do the trick.

From: Gene Carroll
Date: 05-May-10




Dave Looks like we agree.....

My concern is this is not a "Perfect World". In a pefect world no-one whould get buck fever, ever hit too far back on a quartering away shot, etc. I do know that if an arrow enters too far back and is still angling forward, on a quartering away shot, I have a much improved chance of reaching the chest cavity and vital organs that are located there with a Reasonable wt bow. [ that being at least 40# which is the absolute minimum in most states. ]

I think the saying "use the heaviest bow you can shoot accurately" is the key and the best answer that can be given.

I realize there will come a time when I can't conform to these recommendations. When that happens, nobody says I need to give up and stop shooting and enjoying trad... thats what backyards, back 5 acres, archery and 3D ranges are for....by all meins keep shooting till the very end.

The point is, we owe the animals we hunt a quick and humane death... This can be assured somewhat better by shooting a heavier bow. One, that may have just give that extra bit of energy required to in some cases turn a margional shot into a good one. That extra energy may propel a "bad shot" far enough thru the bad stuff to finally reach the vital area and turn it into a more favorable shot and subsequenty quicker death.

I love trad archery, but I love the game I hunt too. I will not think twice about using a Rifle or Compound "TO HUNT WITH". I'm refering to when I can no longer have faith in the trad equiptment I'm shooting to make a quick kill every time [ even heaven forbid when that margional shot might occure. ]

Gene

From: rogar
Date: 05-May-10




I've always stuck to the idea that the most i could handle comfortably is what i should be hunting with and that has kept me buying and making bows in the 50-60 range. Well.. I recently got a beautiful Bear Alaskan:66" and a whopping 33#. Don't know what year but it's got enough wood in the riser to build a house. Finally shot it tonight and was truly amazed at how accurately it sent the arrows downrange and with surprising authority! I decided to try broadheads. foam penetration was comparable to any of my other bows. I shot two razor sharp zwickey braodheads into a sheet of 1/2" plywood almost as deep as any of my other bows.sorry, not very scientific (I'm not a numbers nerd) but i came to the conclusion that i wouldn't want to be a deer or turkey on the wrong end of that 33# bow...would you?

From: James Wrenn
Date: 05-May-10




Most States have laws telling you what you can and can't use.Follow the law and don't worry about others opinions on what you should use.I would have no trouble at all killing the things I hunt with a bow lighter than what I use but stick to the states min on things.I know if I can shoot through deer with the min weight selfbow I could do it easily with much less weight on my glass bows.There is at least a 10lb performance difference in my bows.jmo

BTW..I don't own any animal a thing.I work hard to shoot well,tune my bows and get into position to kill those animals.Quick,clean kills with fast recoveries are for me and my hard work.Got nothing to do with an animal I intend to kill.My choices in equipment allow me to do that with no surprises.I really can't help it is others think they need more bow,arrow weight ect to do the same thing.That is just fine with me but don't go thinking for me or talking ethics ect.I know what works. ;) jmo

From: DRT Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-May-10




My 30# Hoyt Matrix will shoot the same arrow faster than my 47# Bear Grizzly. What would be the better choice for a hunting bow ?

From: Barringer
Date: 05-May-10




I use to shoot a 60lb bow until I realized my snap shooting release was at about 25" went down in poundage and worked on my draw and anchor and I shoot better and with more power. I think some people order heavy bows at what they think is their draw length but if you will get some one watch or video yourself shooting, you may not be drawing your bow as far as you think. When I started shooting a recurve I was 19, shot very quick/ snap shooting. One day years later my dad saw me shooting in the yard and said why are your arrows so long? I got him to watch me and I was only pulling about 25 and a half inches. I just ordered me a Whippenstick longbow at 45lbs. I now really have a 28 inch draw. Just my 2 cents. I am also a lot older than 19 , 35 year old high school teacher and coach with 4 kids

From: Dave Lay Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-May-10




Gene.. funny you should quote the "shoot the heaveiest you can comfortably" I have G Freds quote of that on the wall of my huntin room... 100% agree on your post, couldnt have said it better.. when and if I get to where I cant shoot 40lbs I will quit hunting anything over small game size and become a archer instead of a hunter...

From: larry hatfield
Date: 05-May-10




it's really not so much the draw weight as it is proper placement of an sharp broadhead with an arrow suitable for the bow you are shooting. i have been killing deer, elk, and bear for 57 years and have never seen a bad shot turn into a good one because of bow draw weight. as long as you are legal just relax and enjoy the meat.

From: 3Ditional
Date: 05-May-10




If you're a good shot, and a good hunter who knows when to take the shot, 35# is plenty enough!

From: deerdander
Date: 05-May-10




Im sure its already been said but if 35 pound is your max, better stick to small game only

From: Tom A
Date: 05-May-10




"Shoot the heaviest you can accurately" would be better advice I think.

I can comfortably pull a 60-70 pound bow back and snap a shot off. Probably even heavier. But I know from my own competition experience on 3D courses that a 40-45# bow greatly increases my accuracy so thats what I shoot and hunt with.

Is 35# enough for deer? My best guess would be yes if it was a high performance bow and the archer had a average or longer than average draw length. I would stick to 2 blade heads and skinny carbon arrows to make sure you get a complete pass through.

If I was being hunted.. And my choice of hunters was a guy that had been shooting 40# all his life vs a guy that had been shooting 80#. I would pick the 80# hunter because I would stand a much better chance of getting away.

From: James Wrenn
Date: 05-May-10




Deer are small game where I hunt. :)

From: fuzzy
Date: 07-Oct-10

fuzzy's embedded Photo



this buck was taken this Tuesday by a 115# woman with a 35 [email protected]" longbow, drawn to about 26.5" (do the math) and bear razorhead lites on Easton 2018 arrows cut to 31"

doublelung , full penetration at 10 yards

From: fuzzy
Date: 07-Oct-10

fuzzy's embedded Photo



same woman, same bow, same arrows, same distance, 100# feral hog, 4 years ago, same result :-)

From: TomL
Date: 07-Oct-10




It's not enough in my book. 45lbs is the bottom line IMO... But whatever is hunting legal in your state is the "final answer".

TomL

From: Tradbh Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 07-Oct-10




Due to bad injury to my bow arm due to work,I can not hold my bow arm steady. Seriosly considered putting a set of 38# limbs I have on my Bear takedown,BUT, I am not confident it will do the job under any but perfect cicumstances at close range. Therefore I am suffering along with 50# limbs for now.

From: fuzzy
Date: 07-Oct-10




TomL, books are tougher than animals ;-)

From: Coldtrail
Date: 07-Oct-10




A question older than any of us alive today. Eastern Woodland Indians kept themselves alive with bows made without fiberglass, flinging flint-tipped sticks. They didn't have spine testers. They didn't weigh points. They did not have heavy bows.

From: fuzzy
Date: 07-Oct-10




it just tickles me how many folks will argue the "too light" point to someone who grew fat on game killed with the light tackle :-)

From: dtarbell
Date: 07-Oct-10




About a week ago I killed a buck with a 45#tradtech Titan,cedar shaft and 190gr grizzly,nothing spectacular but the penetration was,double lung shot that blew thru the center of the off side shoulder and penetraded up to the fleching,Ive had tendonitis bad in my bow arm elbow and 45 is about the best I can do,would a 37# bow have killed that deer?oh ya.

From: fuzzy
Date: 07-Oct-10




lol...ok :-)

From: AndyB
Date: 07-Oct-10




I hunt with 44 to 50# bows but would not hesitate to hunt with 35 if I had to. I would likely get into some serious yardage limitations at 35# though.

From: LV2HUNT
Date: 07-Oct-10




"it's really not so much the draw weight as it is proper placement of an sharp broadhead with an arrow suitable for the bow you are shooting. i have been killing deer, elk, and bear for 57 years and have never seen a bad shot turn into a good one because of bow draw weight. as long as you are legal just relax and enjoy the meat."

Amen.

From: Jim Terrio
Date: 07-Oct-10




A young lady of 11, hunting with her father, just took a 10 pt buck that dressed at 172#!!!!! She took it with a bow that had 26#'s on the scale. It, the buck, went NOWHERE as shot placement was about perfect.

I DO NOT ADVOCATE BOWS LIGHTER THAN 40#'S AS THIS SEEMS TO MY PERSPECTIVE TO BE THE "NORMAL" lower LIMIT.

This really happened two weeks ago in Maine. The Maine law,I believe, states 35#'s minimum, and there is no way I, personally, would have allowed this to happen or have been a party to it on that hunt.

BUT....she is one hell of a shot. I know this, MY BEST FRIEND IS HER COACH AND I PERSONALLY PAID FOR HER ARCHERY LESSONS, because of her desire to hunt (she also took a tom turkey in May with a 20 Gage....when she was 10!) .

It was her fathers decision and I do NOT condone it. I HAVE TOLD HIM SO. But 26#'s droped a monster.

I am told that in parts of the country folks hunt deer with 22LR. Crazy to me, but it goes on and on and on. I do NOT agree with it......and would NEVER do it but........some do.

From: Jim Terrio
Date: 07-Oct-10




I should add the bow in question was a new 2010 Matthews Z7. Not Trad I realize. Jim.

From: harlen
Date: 07-Oct-10




bow poundage don't kill deer, hemorraghing does.

From: grndhntr
Date: 07-Oct-10

grndhntr's embedded Photo



It's interesting to me that usually the guys who say that a 35# bow or 45# bow is not enough to hunt with have never done it. All their personal experience is with heavy draw weight bows, so they assume it won't work. I used to think that a heavy bow was what would kill, but after hunting with light weight bows and shooting big animals, now I'm convinced that penetration from a heavy arrow is impressive and is what I trust to kill a big game animal. After all, the bow makes a very poor projectile. An arrow works much better for that. About 3 weeks ago, I shot a cow elk with a 41# bow shooting a 630 gr. arrow. I got 20" of penetration!

From: grndhntr
Date: 07-Oct-10




Also, what does bow weight have to do with arrow speed? My 41# recurve shown above will shoot a 630 gr. arrow @ 143 fps. A typical modern D-style longbow (straight limb) will need approx. 50# to shoot the same arrow the same speed. It will take about 55# from a typical selfbow to get the same 630 gr. arrow to 143 fps. Who here will say that a 55# selfbow is not enough bow for deer or even elk? We should be discussing arrow weight and arrow speed-that's what really matters when talking about penetration, esp. arrow weight IMHO.

From: shade mt
Date: 07-Oct-10




i have to agree with grndhunter...most of you guy's that are knocking 35# bows for hunting, haven't done it, although i to use heavier bows, i have shot a pile of deer and experience tells me you will get, plenty of penetration with a 35# bow provided you have sharp broadheads and tuned arrows, i have an aunt that in her younger days shot a couple deer with an old bear recurve 31#... killed em just as dead as our 50 and 55# bows, my grandfather before he died was drilling em with a 38# recurve and my father after laying block all his life and ruining his shoulders, back and elbows now uses a 35# bow although he's gaining a few pounds by having a 30" draw. i'll be there one day also at 45 years old and doing construction work since 14 im already feeling it. i doubt i'll alway's be able to shoot 60#. and to the guy that stated earlier that some guy's want to go lighter so they don't have to put effort into shooting a heavier bow. might be true for some but not all. Some of us actually work for a living, we don't sit in some freaking ,air conditioned, heated office, pushing a pencil.. heavy lifting and weather takes it's toll..or injury's or whatever. if it's legal and it's all you can comfortably shoot go for it you'll be fine.

From: Master Angler
Date: 07-Oct-10




After seeing these pics of women and kids killing with a 35#, I believe the point has been proven. However I am with Sapcut. Assuming you're a grown man who can pull a 35# bow, I would assume you could pull 45 and would recommend pursuing game with the most potency that you have the ability to give em.

From: English Setter
Date: 07-Oct-10




grndhntr; I think has it right...the bow doesn't kill the game the arrow does!! Arrow weight & flight & broadhead are whats important.

From: Master Angler
Date: 07-Oct-10




And yes. Grndhntr nailed it. Arrow speed/weight is the key. So, how fast could 35# bow possibly shoot a hunting weight arrow? I really don't even know. Anybody?

From: Blood Trail
Date: 07-Oct-10




Great thread. I'm down to 35#. I have killed a lot of deer with 42#. No problem with penetration if I didn't hit the shoulder bone.

From: SteveBNY
Date: 07-Oct-10




Better start with an agreement with what is a hunting wght arrow. Good luck with that.

From: Adam Howard
Date: 07-Oct-10




Well said, Sapcut !!!

From: DeerSpotter
Date: 07-Oct-10




I shoot

All at 29 "

36# Holm

43# whip

43# Holm

Why the fuss,

From: Alaska Jim
Date: 07-Oct-10




Is 35 lbs. enough? How about 25 lbs.? How about 20 lbs.? Heck, I wouldn't want to stand in front of my 8 year old grandson with a sharp broadhead and a 15 lb. bow. All I know is that all the greats and near greats shot bows pulling more the 50 lbs, sometimes a lot more. They didn't just pick up a heavy bow and start shooting it. They all worked their butts off building up the strenght to do so. The Thompson brothers, Pope and Young, Howard Hill, Ben Pearson, Fred Bear and countless others. I think we should hunt with bows that are as heavy as we can handle (with some sweat equity) not bows that are easy to pull. The bottom line is, shoot what you will , I swear I'll not hold it against you. *chuckles* Alaska jim

From: Gaur
Date: 07-Oct-10




I have a Ben Pearson recurve that is 39# @ 28" and I have set me friend up shooting it. I was practicing point on with it and it was hitting higher than my 64# longbow at 30 yrds shooting the same Beman MFX 400 with 225 grains up front. That really changed my thinking. Got good penetration on the target too. He's going to take it boar hunting with me. Just need some camo on the white limbs.

From: Adam Howard
Date: 07-Oct-10




And another well said, Dave Lay ....

From: cjgregory
Date: 07-Oct-10




Unless you are handicapped or a young kid I do not subscribe to such a low weight bow past small game. Will it kill a deer or an elk? Of course but then so will a .22 but theres a reason why you are not allowed to hunt deer an elk with a .22

From: Larry Burford
Date: 07-Oct-10




I think 40# is minimum here in Arkansas. I would personaly hate to shoot less than 50# with my longbow.

From: hammer08
Date: 07-Oct-10




My 34# homemade self bow killed deer for me when i was younger. It should probably still work.

From: PineLander
Date: 07-Oct-10




Okay, that "stick to small game" comment that I missed last MAY was too much. I can't stand it anymore, so here they are....

first one was a recurve 36# @ 26", about 14 yards with 420 gr. arrow.

second one was a longbow 39# @ 26", about 20 yards with 515 gr. arrow.

Both animals were well over 200 lbs. live weight. Not what I refer to as "small game".

From: PineLander
Date: 07-Oct-10

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Date: 07-Oct-10

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From: SteveBNY
Date: 08-Oct-10




Where's the blood? ;^)

From: Harpman
Date: 08-Oct-10




If a 50# selfbow shoots an arrow at 140 f.p.s., and a 35# high performance recurve shoots the same arrow at the same speed, what's the difference??..The arrow doesn't know what the bow poundage was that it was shot from, does it??..Having a short draw length, my personal minimums would be 40# with a good recurve, 45# with a straight limbed Longbow, and around 50# with a well made Selfbow/wooden bow..I've had my share of shoulder and neck troubles, I used to shoot bows in the upper 60# range...My current bows are much lighter,but a bit higher performance in arrow speed...One thing that keeps coming to my mind concerning this thread, is that most Trad shooters that I've shot with have a max. effective range of approx. 20 yards, give or take a few yards, and for whitetail deer and smaller critters, with a well placed shot from a good bow, I cant see much difference in killing ability from one bow to the next...Honestly, most of "US" cant shoot well enough at the longer yardages to even take the shot, so the penetration issue is a moot point to Me...Take care...Harpman

From: PineLander
Date: 08-Oct-10




It isn't "some sort of last word on the subject" from me... just simply showing that they are quite capable of killing animals that aren't categorized as "small game".

Personally, I've not lost any animals shooting 35-45 lb. bows, YET. But I have lost animals shooting 45-60 lb. bows. None of them were the result of inadequate penetration, but rather inadequate shot placement.

I used 55-60 lb. bows for about 10 years, 45-55 lb. bows for another 10 years, and 35-45 lb. bows for the last 5 years. So I suppose my time is coming, just as it did when shooting the other bows. And when it does happen, I'm quite certain it won't be because of inadequate penetration... but rather inadequate shot placement.

SteveBNY - pretty disappointing not seeing all that blood, huh? :-)

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 08-Oct-10




Do whatever it takes to keep hunting, redneck, as long as you stay within the law. 40# will do it. In fact, that is the NH minimum for deer and turkey. Jawge

From: GLF
Date: 08-Oct-10




We always hear about how this bows more eficient than that bow n faster. Should the states list each min bow weight by bow name also? Guess its the old target archer/bowhunter argument thats been going on for longer than I been in bowhunting. Most can work up to 50 lbs if they're healthy. If not we all know 40-45 will work if you're shot placements perfect. But at least try to shoot a decent hunting weight before ya start "whats the least I can get by with".

From: fuzzy
Date: 08-Oct-10

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three more posts and I am done:

#1

(a repeat) 30#@26.5"

clean kill

From: fuzzy
Date: 08-Oct-10

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#2

(a repeat) 30#@26.5"

clean kill

From: fuzzy
Date: 08-Oct-10

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#3

(new to this thread)

39#@25" clean kill

From: fuzzy
Date: 08-Oct-10




I am not advocating anything here, except that just because you are are a slightly built female, or a pre-teen, does not mean you can not hunt deer or hogs with stickbow, so long as you have dedication (get to know your equipment, and shoot it well) and discipline (take only optimum shots at reasonable ranges)

I would also state that I have NEVER had or personally known of a hunter wounding and losing a deer or hog with a <40# bow.....

can't say that for most folks shooting 60#

From: AndyB
Date: 08-Oct-10




There are some bad hits that might be improved by more poundage, but perhaps with lower poundage they would have been good hits to start with! Personally, I am pretty good with my 50# bows...but I am deadly at 40-45.

From: thumper2
Date: 08-Oct-10




If I haven't said it, I want to do so now. I get a ton of solid info from this forum. Having said that...Thanks to all.

I gotta tell ya. I know an older gent in SC who is deadly with an old 37# D bow he made himself. He certainly taught me more about gap shooting in 15 minutes than I ever knew about at all.

Any info is important to me, because I have two grandsons who want to do it all. So, after a long layoff from hunting, here I go again.

I grew up in the sixties in Alabama. Hunting was like breathing. I learned to be very careful and precise when it came to shooting and killing any animal. Respect for the hunt was always first. You can bet that two more people sre getting those same lessons now.

My boys are actually very good shots, and are very serious about making a good shot. They certainly shoot better than me.

I've stated here recently that because of an old injury, I gotta drop some draw weight. No choice. I thought that was a worry, beause I shoot 40-45# as it is.

So, I got a chance to go to Lancaster Archery recently. I thought that maybe ILF might be my answer. I also shot a 35# Samick Stingray.

It had to be the design of the bow. For 35#, that was a hard hitter. I am certainly a novice, don't get it twisted. I compare trad rigs from a 45# Samick Sage, which is a really hard hitter, and a 40# Ben Pearson Cougar that will never leave me...ever.

That Stingray was a handle forward bow, and very comfortable to shoot. There is certainly one in my future now. Frog Killer. Tree rats, beware. That's coming next.

Enough about me.

A few of the 3D events I've attended, I have been paired with other fellas who seemed to me to have too much bow. I think I heard the term Texas Heart shot more than once (in the butt).

When you can see a fella struggling to reach anchor time after time, it makes you wonder. Don't get me wrong. I shifted to 3 under and follow the hold...hold...go method a while back. It works wonders for me.

On the same token, I've talked to a few folks who were shooting draw weights between 32 and 43#. They were very serious about a coupla things. Make the shot. Take the time to tune your equipment, and be anal about it. PRACTICE!

We all know the law applies. There should be no question at all that following the law has to be the first thought. That is one the very few places that outdoorsman of any breed MUST put their best foot forward. Too much of a bad thing rests on not doing so. Know your restrictions.

Shoot within your range. It might be a lighter bow, who knows? I'm sure if I asked some of the professional bowyers here if a bow made with different woods makes a difference in power, that might generate some interesting reading.

Shoot what puts a smile on your face. Spend the time to get confident with your equipment. Have fun.

Works for me.

Again folks, thanks for your indulgence. Too good.

From: Hammer man
Date: 08-Oct-10




Night Wing, Your set-ups will kill any deer walking.All the time!! I hunt with 42 to 55 pounders at 28" The 55 I get better releases but hold at draw longer with the 42. For Me,When its really cold out a 42 is just the thing to keep from tearing muscles. Mostly I hunt with two 47's. Good luck and please post your kills. Hammer man

From: Swamp Yankee
Date: 08-Oct-10




Today's 35# bow is yesterdays 45#; both adequate for whitetails. If you believe only a weapon that is guarenteed to kill a whitetail every time is ethical, I'd suggest a 30-06.

From: String Cutter
Date: 09-Oct-10




To tell the trueth I can shot my 65# longbow about 10-20 times in the back yard . But then I am tired and my shoulder hurts for the next week.. So I don't practice at all for a week............ But I also have a 52# longbow that I can maybe shoot 20-30 arrows thru before I get tired..Much more then that and my shoulder starts to hurt some.... But I prefer my 42# longbow... I can go out and shoot 100+ arrows and really enjoy watching my arrows fly. I'm sure that it will kill any whitetail walking with a 2016 and 2blade. I have lost 2 STOS to a live white oak tree behind my target while tuning my setup. They went in so deep I couldn't even get them out with a pair of pliers...And that was before I even got my arrows well tuned... HOW TOUGH DO YOU GUYS THINK A WHITETAIL DEER IS???? I know for certain a 40# bow will make 2 holes in me at 20 yrds. And I am sure I don't want to get hit with a 35#er either?? My thinking is " a good hit is a good hit no matter the weight.." Will 5 extra pounds really make that much of a differance on going thru a shoulder??? How about being able to draw my bow, holding it steady for 3-10 seconds while really really burning a hole at where I want to hit??? Allowing me to calm down and really focus.. Is the extra 5#'s really worth me losing that and becoming a snap shooter or only able to hold for maybe 2-3 seconds before I HAVE TO let her ripp???

From: GLF
Date: 09-Oct-10




Stringcutter thats when you either give up the heavy bows or start to build into them. Some bowhunters build into their hunting weight bows n shoot lighter bows for 3d. For the hunting season archers who don't shoot the rest of the year you probably have no choice but shoot a target bow.

"If you believe only a weapon that is guarenteed to kill a whitetail every time is ethical, I'd suggest a 30-06." so you don't believe we owe it to the animals we hunt to get a quick humane kill?

Some states dropped their bow weight restriction to lower weight because of compounds. Face it guys a kids compound outshoots our adult bows. Even the hunting weight ones.

Very good post Jim. Its not just the old timer guys who made their living parcially by hunting. Its the big time guys today also. You won't see them shooting under 50 lbs, at least not many of em.

Its a real shame y'all can't post all the pics of all the animals lost with low weight bows.

From: Swamp Yankee
Date: 09-Oct-10




""If you believe only a weapon that is guarenteed to kill a whitetail every time is ethical, I'd suggest a 30-06." so you don't believe we owe it to the animals we hunt to get a quick humane kill?" ????? Point being the difference between the killing power of a 35# bow and a 50# bow is, in my opinion, insignificant compared to the difference between a 50# bow and a 30-06. We as bowhunters participate in a sport that requires exceptional skill (compared to rifle hunters) to produce a humane kill.

To suggest I don't believe in a quick humane kill from my statement is an insult.

From: PineLander
Date: 09-Oct-10




And it's a real shame that pics of all the animals lost with higher weight bows can't be posted either. :-)

From: GLF
Date: 09-Oct-10




sorry yankee thats how I read your post.

From: traxx
Date: 09-Oct-10




Its a real shame y'all can't post all the pics of all the animals lost with low weight bows. And its a shame the same cant be shown of higher weight bows,because the people cant shoot em worth a crap and are in too much self denial ,to admit it. It flat Amazes me,that even with all the vast proof from many,through the years,there are still some who are in denial and will argue the facts with Dogma from a few Gurus,who came from an era,of sport shooting.These same gurus who took shots,you would rant as being unethical,yet you quote them,while talking of ethics and responsability.One of our famous archers,that is Hailed and looked upon,for his high draw weights,is quoted in print as stateing that a 40 lb bow and 450 grn arrow,is sufficient for,not only Deer,but Elk and Moose as well.He made this quote in the interest of forming Weight requirements for Game hunting laws.Would you come on Here and Argue hunting with lower weight bows with Howard Hill? Ive said it before and ill say it again.The most reliable Meat provider,i ever knew when i was young,was a subsistence hunter,who hunted for 3 families,every year.He probably killed more deer through the years than anyone on this site.When hunting with a Bow,He used a 40 lb bow,but his draw was 26",so whats that tell ya.Yet you would argue with him abot ethics and Bow weight,wouldnt you.Many people,even those that HAD the heavy bow mentality,are comming around to what people have known for a long time,but was lost for a while,in an era of sport hunting.You dont "need" heavy bows for most hunting in this country.

From: GLF
Date: 09-Oct-10




So true Piney. We're got entirely too much wounding in our ranks. But to say its heavy weight causing its just wrong. Anyone who's built into their bow weight(which anyone hunting wiht it should be) and can shoot is capable of 1 good shot. Getting tired from shooting heavier weight(if built into it) comes from repeated shots its not gonna make a difference in 1 shot. But can make a difference in blood trails. Doesn't matter, sounds like you've done quite well with lighter bows just as I've done quite well with heavier bows. To be honest when I dropped to 60 lbs that I figured that to be mid weight. Never heard 60 called heavy before coming to the leatherwall. As for the half draws. Come to a traditional shoot in ohio. You'll see bunches of that, n almost all shooting under 50 lbs. Thats a bad habit that knows no weight limits. I think it came along mainly from tp and from guys who had never shot stickbows trying to shoot "trad" back in the late 80's.

From: Ryano
Date: 09-Oct-10

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shot this one last night 40#@28" bamboo backed ipe bow.

From: cjgregory
Date: 09-Oct-10




Pinelander and others. You can probably kill most anything with a 35# bow. MY OPINION doesn't count any less than anyone elses. I think it's unacceptable on big game and that's why we have a minimum of 40# in colorado. Every now and then I pull out a 1968 bearcat that was my first bow as a kid. I killed over a dozen elk and been through the mill in most any situation you can think of in the high country... Yep...unacceptable. However shoot whatever you want as long as it is legal. If you can legitimately and accurately shoot more then the question is why?

From: PineLander
Date: 09-Oct-10




I personally would not hunt elk or moose with a 35-40 lb. bow... even though some hunters have done so successfully. But if someone is planning to hunt white-tailed deer with that poundage (for whatever reason), I surely won't tell them it is not capable of killing deer.... because it is.

I don't know (and I don't ask) why people shoot that low of poundage. I only know why I was shooting that poundage at the time I killed those deer. And if I had followed the advice of those who say "only for small game"... I wouldn't have been bowhunting deer those years, and what a bummer that would've been for me... missing out on some great hunts.

From: SteveBNY
Date: 09-Oct-10




People who can shoot more wght accurately ARE NOT THE ONES asking if the lighter wghts will work!!!!!

Those asking are the ones shooting the most they can accurately and are seeking opinions on their equipment. Why so many try to make more of it then thate is a wonderment.

Looking at the threads ever year about multiple misses (which equals multiple unspoken wounds) the highest priority of the community should be to promote accuracy 1st and foremost and higher wghts after that. Shaming someone into trying to shoot more wght then they can accurately handle is doing a bigger diservice then promoting accuracy and shooting within their limitations.

From: cjgregory
Date: 09-Oct-10




"People who can shoot more wght accurately ARE NOT THE ONES asking if the lighter wghts will work!!!!! " IN some cases true that is why my first post clearly delineated exactly that. I think we are all on the same page. I mentioned the handicapped and kids as acceptable circumstances. I support this. 40# is legal and that should be the minimum. Most handicapped individuals will go to a compound just because of this and I think that's the way to go. No need to be pragmatic about the trad thingy. I shot a compound instinctive and did just fine. I've never used sights or a peep. A deer running through the neighborhood or down the roadway with an arrow sticking in him because of bow weight issues is difficult to defend. Less so than a bad shot.

There are also plenty that are asking because they don't have the money to buy one or want to know if what they have will work so they don't have to buy one.

From: traxx
Date: 09-Oct-10




CJgregory,

You might wanna recheck your Colorado Regs?The min requirement for big game in Colorado,is 35lbs and it has been for a few years.

From: DeerSpotter
Date: 09-Oct-10




43# Whip $700

43# Holm $485.00

36# Holm $585.00

Everyone of my bows ,Throws arrows like darts ,right to where I wanna most of the time .They may be off by an inch are so ,But they do really fine ,It matters not the price ,It's what you want that meet your needs that will make the difference ,I have the lower poundage because of my shoulders ,I haven't had to have surgery ,I am fortunate ,So I'm keeping the poundage down so that I may never have to have surgery .

I think it's more about what you carry in your "brain" than what you carry in your hand "Attitude ",I have not had one person that Carries a compound bow ,Make stupid remarks ,Or cut me down because I was carrying a traditional bow,And I do not go along with the attitude that some have

"Until you get rid of your compound you'll never be consistent with your traditional "

It is 100% "attitude ",And at the end of the day when the deer is in the freezer "What's the fuss "

I don't think anything gets people more then "Lower poundage "

You would think we were in church,

Isn't that where they shoot their own soldiers !

Carl

From: EricPootatuckArchers
Date: 22-Nov-10




40-45 lbs are my minimum - typically use 55-60 lbs

From: T-bone
Date: 22-Nov-10




In Colorado, 35# is legal for elk. On this sight if you view [email protected] you can see what a 40# recurve did to a bull elk and a mule doe with 620 grain woodies. I would not hesitate to hunt deer with a 35# bow and a medium weight arrow and a wicked sharp two blade head like a stinger.

From: guitarguy
Date: 22-Nov-10




My cousin killed a doe with his solid fiberglass 35# bear bow when we were kids.

From: EricPootatuckArchers
Date: 29-Jan-11




obey your state games laws for minimum hunting bow weights and use razor sharp broadheads

From: AndyB
Date: 29-Jan-11




35# is th elimit for deer in FL.

From: Tradarcher
Date: 29-Jan-11




It Depends on a few things. They've all been mentioned above. 1) State Game Laws 2) Lots of PRACTICE 3) Shot Placement 4) A good quality "SHARP Broadhead" 5) And Final, Make sure all conditions are right before you shoot. Example: wind,branches,rain ect...

Just my opinion

From: wvtomwv
Date: 29-Jan-11




55 lb. bow and a bad hit equals no recovery. 35 lb. bow through the lungs equals a dead deer. its that simple . its where you hit them. i have seen compound shooters with 70 lb. bows make a bad hit and lose the deer. i know an older gentleman who used a browning target bow at 32 lb.s and shot several deer. had a pin for 20 yds. and under and did not shoot any farther. arrow always got clear through and broadhead was sticking out the other side.

From: fuzzy
Date: 31-Jan-11

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we are havin fun ain't we boys?;-)

From: Juan Matos
Date: 31-Jan-11




I once shot a 50 pound pig at about 15 yards a bit high with a 37 compound. The broadhead went in about half an inch stayed in there for about 3 seconds as the hog squealed and ran away. Then the arrow dropped off. I was using an aluminum arrow with a broadhead that was not a cut on contact type. In the picture you see that arrow hit at that big shoulder bone right where it intersects the spine. I beleive if I had made that same shot with my current 50# recurve the animal would have dropped paralyzed style. For me any animal that can be had with a recurve is really special and if I lose one because of a high hit that would have been down if I had used a bit more muscle then I'd feel pretty bad. Imagine hitting a buck of a life time with a 35 and it hits that big bone and doesn't go through. You could've had em if you had a heavier bow. These things happen. No one is a perfect shot.

From: Juan Matos
Date: 31-Jan-11




oops. here's the pic.

From: Juan Matos
Date: 31-Jan-11

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oops. here's the pic. I'll get it. Never, never, never, never, never give up.

From: Coldtrail
Date: 31-Jan-11




I've been thinking about getting a 35, just to us at 3D and on those winter days when my shoulder is bothering me. Also, for me, a 35 would work dandy from a tree stand on a cold daywhen I'm wearing heavy restrictive clothing. I think I just talked myself into it. With limited funs, I'll likely get a Montana.

From: Hambone80
Date: 31-Jan-11

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Martin X-200 35#, CE Heritage 90's with 125 grain Magnus Stingers at 18yards and a total pass through.

From: Juan Matos
Date: 31-Jan-11




Impressive Hambone. I've been fantasizing with getting a Bear Super Grizzly in 35.

From: onedge69
Date: 01-Feb-11




My son shot a Pa doe and buck on back to back nights with his 29# at 28 inch t/d Fedora recurve when he was 14. Note: his draw was 26 inchs. the doe crashed within sight ( I was watching from a nearby tree) and we found the buck within 70 yards. First two shots he ever took at big game. lucky kid. I found out later it violated Pa minimum standards, which was news to me, and, as it turns out, absurd.

From: Michigan Hunter
Date: 01-Feb-11




GLF posted "Its a real shame y'all can't post all the pics of all the animals lost with low weight bows."

I killed a deer last year that had an arrow sticking out of it's hind quarter. And it was put there with a high poundage compound from the neighbors farm. I also killed a buck, put out of it's misery really, that was shot in the buttocks by a 7mm Rem Mag. My point is shot placement, a well tuned arrow and a sharp broadhead from low poundage bow will work every time. I've been to many traditional shoots with guys shooting too much weight for them and they can't consistently hit the broadside of a barn.

From: Barringer
Date: 01-Feb-11




Guys all I know is I have shot 60lbs for years, then went to 55 because I didn't get to practice as much and just getting older. I bought my son a 40 Grizz and I have taken it from him, I can shoot it better than anybow I have ever shot except for my Robertson Longbow(53#). I have a 45# Wes Wallace recurve ordered now. I can also draw the bow an inch farther so my 27 inch draw with my 55+ bows went to a 28+ inches with the 40. Not only am I more accurate but I can also shoot all day long. It is also easier to pull setting in a trees stand all morning long in the cold. I think I am a better shot with a bow 50 and under than with over 50 and it has nothing to do with how much bow I can pull it has to do with the bow that I believe will put a deer down quickly. my 2 cents

From: wvtomwv
Date: 03-Feb-11




i know people who lost deer with a 30-06 after a marginal hit. bottom line is: a good shot equals recovery. some people can do it with a heavy bow, a lot of us can't. use the heaviest bow you can shoot accurately. 40-45 lb. range was the norm before the compound. most switching to recurve shot a 60+ or - compound and do not want to drop in poundage with a recurve but eventually realize 35-45 is plenty with a well placed shot.

From: Harleywriter
Date: 03-Feb-11




mighty light.

From: wvtomwv
Date: 06-Feb-11




lot of people shoot high poundage as george stout says and lean into the bow and are only drawing 24 inches. or they let it go at 24 and then pull their hand back to anchor 4 more inches after the arrow is released. can you hold your bow at full draw for 5 seconds. if so, you can handle it.

From: DenTradshooter Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 06-Feb-11




The answer is NO under 40# is not feasable for anything but a small doe ,and some Turkeys . I Pm'd my resspectful response to the Gent that started the thread this ones for the rest of ya ' If you are foolish enough to hunt Wild Game with anything less than the strongest you can safely hunt with , you have no busniess in the woods , When I read PineLancers post about folks hurting themselves its BS and there are ALOT of folks out there that worked up to Heavyweight bows over the course of thier lives . My Go to Bow is 115# wright FireHawk or 100# Hill and I shoot over 230# before surgeries, I had UNREALATED neck and back surgery and cannot shoot 115#yet so I Backed down to 70# but really had to train for it . And DO not tell me Woman cannot shoot 50plus # bows I see Some Beautiful Women shooting higher all the time ,You work up to it slowly over time . I will not step into the woods with a bow I do not know for sure I will put down whatever is in it . If I want the chance at a MONSTER buck ( which I dont get anymore but still )I want to know I am zipping a Broadhead through the Vitals every time even if he jumps the string . I do not take shots more than 25Yrds 90% have been under 20 , That means My arrows are cooking and NO way for it to get away . I practice all through the off season (barring surgeries) not just a few weeks before season . Gents Use decent sense ,Not Ol' boy sense if you have to back off of hunting be ethical and do it . Dont risk hurting our image by maiming game just because someone said you CAN do it ,Please Do Not do it

From: adkman
Date: 06-Feb-11

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Although it was with a compound the wife shot this blue wilderbeest with a draw weight of 38lbs. She didn't get a complete pass through but did poke out the opposite side. Shot placement is much more important then poundage within reason.

From: AWPForester
Date: 06-Feb-11




I think the best thing we could all do is stop worrying about what the other guy is doind and make ourself the best we can be. If you are right, and you are not, how did the Indians kill all those animals with bows of that weight? Unethical I quess. I reckon they had no business being in the woods.

From: N. Y. Yankee
Date: 06-Feb-11




Well, when another guy asks "Can I do this / should I do this?" We have an invitation to give our opinions. I don't believe a 35 pound stick bow is a big game bow, ever. Guys do it but it's a trick to pull off. Shot placement and penetration become super critical. BTW I feel a modern 38 pound compound is probably equal to or better than a 50 pound recurve. Not comparing apples to apples guys. This has been a great thread though.

From: grndhntr
Date: 06-Feb-11

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I don't believe that getting consistent penetration with a low-poundage bow is a "trick". It takes the right arrow. Now I know that this thread is about WT deer and turkeys but my experience may put some perspective to it. Heavy arrows flying slowly do penetrate well in my experience. This cow elk was taken with a 41# bow (because of my bad shoulder) but the "trick" to doing it is using a sharp cut-on-contact 2 blade broadhead in front of a heavy (I like 600+ gr. for elk) arrow. My arrow was 630 gr. going a blistering 143 fps! It got 20" of penetration and this was the 5th. elk I have taken with light-weight (41#-54#) traditional bows and heavy (590-650 gr.) arrows. I have also been impressed with penetration (and bone-breaking abilities) on mule deer with this setup. I have found that guys who like to say it's unethical to use light-weight bows don't typically have the experience of hunting with one or have used light-weight arrows with one.

From: Harleywriter
Date: 06-Feb-11




Who said the Indians shot light weight bows? And besides that, I doubt they were taking shots much over 20 yards...

On the other hand, most of the ones I know of -- the nations here in Montana, let gravity do a lot of the killing for them.....bison over the edge...

From: AWPForester
Date: 06-Feb-11




Exactly Harleywriter. They did run them off of cliffs. Got that from the same publication as the 30-35 pound bow statement. The distance thing is excatly my point also. Maybe instaed of worrying about telling somebody what would be considered proper draw weight we should be working on what our own weaknesses are. For someone shooting a light poundage bow that would be making sure they get closer to game, just like the native Americans did.

My dad has the book and I cannot remmember the name of it, but I have read it there and in history book in school.

From: grndhntr
Date: 06-Feb-11




OOPS, sorry. I didn't realize that I had already posted on this back in Oct. (so I gave my opinion and picture again) Can't believe this thread is still alive.

From: Harleywriter
Date: 12-Feb-11




guy asks a question, guys give him their opinions...why all the anger and attitude from some of you? 35 pounds is pretty damned light. Yeah, it can be done. If that's all you want to pull...go shoot it. 70 pounds is plenty heavy,....probably too heavy for many shooters. Trad arch is soul fulfilling pursuit. Do what feels good and be responsbile and respectful to the prey.

From: GLF Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Feb-11




Lol guys are always comparing compounds of light weight. A 35lb compounds shoots faster than a 50 lb recurve. My thought is why shoot 35lbs with all the "work" that takes, why now try a real challenge n use a 15lb'er. ;D

From: AndyB
Date: 12-Feb-11




Lousy shot placement with heavy poundage bows usually gives the same results as lousy shot placement with lighter weight bows. But I suspect that across the board, lousy shot placement is more common with the 70+ pound bow. There are several other factors FAR more important than poundage. The same seems true with 7mmMags and 30-06's versus 243's and 25-06. Just my observations over the past 30 years of deer hunting.

From: DenTradshooter Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 12-Feb-11




Why is it the folks thinking that shooting Heavy means lousy shot placement ? I think most of you who spout that are doing so without the personal knowledge of the subject . Folks that shoot Heavy Responsibly do so over a Life time ,in my Case I have been shooting over 30 years , We practice twice as hard and are placing our arrows exactly where we want them to be right on top of each other,the trajectory is Much flatter and in the Ethical hunting range of 25yards and under . I am NOT advocating shooting what I do , but using some decent sense is in Order .

And I am REALLY tired of folks spouting off about what Native Americans shoot when you do not know what the heck you are speaking of , Most of the Warring tribes not only shot the Heaviest bows they could in many ,thier Place in thier cultures the Strongest and best hunters led the tribe . The Foolish notion that they were and are little people that pull little primitive sticks really shows you know very little about native archery let alone the native people .

Current Man is Very Weak and too dependant on technology . The sturdiness of mankind is a Joke in comparison to just 10 generations ago ,Maybe not in MY family but certainly apparent in the current thought process's of todays "Traditional" Bowhunter

From: williethebarber
Date: 12-Feb-11




I have a light set of limbs coming so I'll let you know.

From: specklebellies
Date: 12-Feb-11




The "foolish" thinking in regards to this subject on this site is other people trying to cram their preference down someone else's throat. Dead is dead! It doesn't matter if your arrow was traveling 220 fps or weighed 1000 grains!! I read in Bowhunter magazine a long time ago recommended KE for deer sized animals was 30 to 35 and for elk size 50 to 55. I'm sure less KE would work for either though. Could be wrong though, as I am neither a writer or scientist, just a hunter.

From: wvtomwv
Date: 12-Feb-11




anyone got any bear no. 1 limbs areound 40 on an A riser that are too light to hunt with and want to part with them?

From: Coldtrail
Date: 12-Feb-11




Den, you might be incorrect, but maybe not. I did considerable research on Eastern Woodland Indians for a book. The most consistent information indicated 35lbs. was about average. They didn't have the knowledge of tillering, etc. that we have today. The bows were all wood, and not laminated. Made from a single piece of wood and strung with sinew. Points were stone. Plenty of meat was not the norm. No tribes survived from just hunting.

From: Rooselk Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 12-Feb-11




Reading this thread makes me glad that I live in a state that has the good sense to require a 40# minimum at one's draw (which I believe is certainly adequate for deer sized game).

Ultra-light might be fine for trout fshing but in my opinion has no place in hunting.

(I wonder if Upland hunting boards have threads with titles like, "Is a 410 enough gun for phesant?")

From: kootenay
Date: 02-May-12




When I was a boy I showed up at my family's deer camp in Michigan with my new browning nomad stalker 50lb bow the old timers there thought I was hunting dinosaurs, they quickly advised me that they had not seen one in all the years they had hunted in Michigan . They all had bows in the 30-40 lb range and had been bringing the deer home for generations, they were just good shots. Now I live in the Yukon and my nomad does not see much action, I hunt grizzly and moose I use bows in the 60-70 range but the older I get the more tempted I am to pick up the nomad again, I know it would do its part if I did mine. kootenay.

From: roger
Date: 02-May-12




Thank you for bringing it all up again after a year - we really needed it!

From: Juan Matos
Date: 02-May-12




I've read lots of testimonials of deer kills with 35 - 40 pound recurves. But what about 35 - 40 pound howard hill bows? They are slower right? I'm getting me one soon; And am considering a light bow becuase my bow hand is acting up and I want to be able to shoot this expensive bow in my golden years.

From: tradmt
Date: 02-May-12




35lbs is way too heavy, I shoot 15lbs cause here in Montana we don't have a minimum so anything is legal. If I just shoot staight down out of the stand gravity should help with penetration, besides, as long as i hit the mark everything should be ok...right? I mean its not like the animal is going to move or anything. I also use the widest mechanical broadhead I can find since I aint aiming at bones and I want to cut as much tissue as I can so i can get that blood trail that I can follow for 900 yds.

Be very carefull that there is'nt another deer beside the one you shoot at cause that 35 pounder is likely to blow right through both of them, unless of course you have 2 tags.<:^]

I just try to stay within the confines of the law cause they know whats best for us all.

From: bigiron
Date: 02-May-12




not in arkansas it is'nt 40# minumum.

From: Sapcut
Date: 02-May-12




Tradmt....classic...LOL

From: Recurve Bow Hunter
Date: 02-May-12




I believe traditional archery takes practice and experience to learn what will or won't work while operating legally. However as I have learned just because you can draw heavier weight and shoot very accurately does not mean you can keep that up in the middle of archery season with quicker practice sessions firing less arrows and then throw in the elements and you learn that 55lbs is too much but 50lbs is just right. However if the archer, the bow, and the complete arrow are properly matched I am sure ( within reason) that a well placed shot with lighter legal bows will do the job just fine.In addition the shooter has to operate within his or her limits and the bows limits. Accuracy beats speed everytime. If its not broke don't fix it whether its heavier or lighter. Take care

From: tonto59
Date: 02-May-12
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35# is legal for hunting in New Jersey. Not sure how they decided on that weight though. According to some of these posts it works just fine. Good thing lite weight hunting bows are legal. So more people can enjoy hunting. Thanks for sharing.

From: traxx
Date: 02-May-12




Tradmt....classic...LOL

Yeah,Freakin Hillarious!!! Maybe we should make all those folks,who use less than what you experts use,pay back all those tags they filled,with their less than ethical bows.Mrs Laclair,would probably go broke.Old man Poteet,who used 35 lbs and filled freezers for 3 different families for more years than some of you have been shootin a bow,musta been a complete idiot,for not listenin to your vast wisdom.I woulda loved to see you guys try n convince him of it.That woulda been CLASSIC.LOL

From: Shotkizer
Date: 02-May-12




Wow! Incredible thread and great comments.

A modern well tuned longbow or recurve will harvest a deer easily at 35 lbs. I would stay with an arrow over 500 grains. I like Nightwing's recommended weights.

From: Sapcut
Date: 03-May-12




Tradmt....see what happens when you start showing off with your expertise and vast knowledge and common sense. You shouldn't be so hard hearted around such sensitive souls.

From: SteveBNY
Date: 03-May-12




With the right arrow, broadhead and foc, you don't even need a bow. Just drop it on them from a tree stand. ;^)

From: deerhunt51
Date: 03-May-12




I've got an Idea, everyone hunt with what they fell confident they can cleanly harvest the game they are hunting.

From: Sapcut
Date: 03-May-12




Steve....now you're cooking with gas.

From: wvtomwv
Date: 03-May-12




tune your bow well and go with it.

From: Ishi
Date: 03-May-12




Interesting thread, resurrected several times since originally posted in Spring 2010.

The original poster specifically asked about turkey and deer. He also explained that he had to bump down to 40 and asked about 35 lbs., I imagine for a margin of error. It does not seem like there is any question that a 35 lb. bow will work. As stated many times, you can get a lot out of a 35 lb. bow, properly tuned etc.

Limbwalker had it right. Lots of hunters shoot bows marked 50lbs. If you draw 26 inches and for purposes of our discussion assume 3 lbs. per inch, that is a 44 lb. effective draw weight. A bow marked 35 lbs. drawn to 30 inches is a 41 lb. effective draw weight.

Reading through the entire thread, you can see why John no longer posts here. I really wish we could get him back. How often do you get to chat with a member of the US Olympic Archery Team? That is another topic for another day.

Lots of variables to consider the ability of an arrow to kill an animal. Recurve vs. longbow vs. R/D longbow vs. self-bow. Fastflight vs. B-50. String silencers or not. Metal nock point vs. tie-on nock point. Arrow material, fletching, type of broadhead, all make a difference.

If I had a chronie, I would do some tests. Maybe someone will get inspired and pst some chronie and/or penetration tests.

Read Hunting with the Bow and Arrow by Saxton Pope. He and Ishi shot the bows in the museum collection, breaking a few along the way. Most of those bows were around 40 lbs. He later describes the superiority of ELBs and ends up hunting with bows in the 80lb. range or so. Pope was short and we do not know his draw length or effective draw weight.

People with physical limitations can and do hunt responsibly. Check out Tred Barta post-paralysis.

It is irresponsible to hunt with poorly tuned and poorly maintained gear, whether you are pulling a 35lb. bow or a 50lb, bow. It is irresponsible to hunt beyond your physical limitations.

From: AWPForester
Date: 03-May-12




Ishi, well said.

Alot of guys get on here and make statements about certain things and I think and hope that the comments are based on a given set of circumstances. I think they are cause it has been my education in life that when ever I got this snotty kinda feeling about someone else i was soon walking in their footsteps, and most of the time those "wonders" were so evident from that outlook.

Let me sum it up.

I think most people ecspecially males like to be first in competitions. I think most men like to win,. I also think most men don't like the idea that their neighbors are stronger or smarter than them. Now all of this changes as we age because many times we are forced to take what we have been dealt, like it or not, as well as simple maturity. But the driving force behind that maturity is the hands we were dealt.

SO when guys get on here and make gestures as to why another person isn't shooting what they deem as acceptable weights it is either showing their ignorance or their nievness. OR they are not stating the obvious that their statements do not apply to the sick or the injured. I am inclined to believe the last explanation but I also know human nature well enough to realize that people for the most part, can bve lumped into some pretty general categories. So that arguement doesn't always hold water with me.

Human nature has not changed and people of all ages simply do what they can to get what they want from something. So, if a guy gets on here and states he is shooting a 45 pouind bow, asssume that he is either, hurt or has been in the past, older, or just doesn't care to put the physical effort into pulling 70 pounds to shoot it routinely. Why does that make it acceptable to flop your mpouth off about it?

Be careful, you just might find out why a man asks such a question first hand. God Bless

From: Sapcut
Date: 03-May-12




"Why does that make it acceptable to flop your mpouth off about it?" LOL...that's funny coming from you.

From: AWPForester
Date: 03-May-12




Nice try bro.

From: Stan
Date: 03-May-12




Just in case anyone forgot the original question... need to bump down in bow wieght. thought about going down to 40lbs. just wondering how many of you are shooting 35lbs and if it works well for hunting deer and turkeys?

Thanks! Looks like people do use it and with great success..

From: Sapcut
Date: 03-May-12




LOL

From: Ishi
Date: 03-May-12




Sapcut - do you really think it is funny when an archer has to bump down in bow weight? Don't you think it is more responsible than trying to control a bow that is beyond the archer's physical ability?

While we are on the topic of "LOL," do you want to tell us about your set-up? Draw weight, draw length, arrow set up, chronie tests, etc.?

Thanks,

From: Sapcut
Date: 03-May-12




Ishi, the LOL was a friendly jab at AWP....not the first nor the last.

But while I'm at it....no I don't see anything amusing about someone bumping down in bow weight.

My simple bow/arrow setup isn't relevant. It's a secret.

From: Ishi
Date: 03-May-12




Sapcut - Sorry if I misunderstood.

From: Sapcut
Date: 03-May-12




No problem Ishi. It's very easy for all of us to misread computer conversations. No prob.

From: r.grider
Date: 03-May-12




I have a 35# Bear "victor" that ia a target bow, and have no doubt it would do the job on a whitetail deer, provided the archer does his part (good hit, adequate arrow weight,perfect arrow flight and razor sharp cut on contact broadhead)

From: Bowlim
Date: 03-May-12




I think people shooting 35# should consider their motivation. Some of the responses seem to indicate the lower bow weight is a selfish decision, not knowing when to man up or drop out.

Others seem to regard it as an achievement reflecting their superior bowmanship.

Still others have found some really basic technical points profoundly illuminating, indicating, they have a long way to go.

But doubtless others think their choices are in the best interests of the game, though generally those remarks are in comparison to some other stupid choice, like shooting more weight than you can handle, really badly, with worst of class bows, and a poor tune.

None the less there are many who shoot these bows who do so for something like the right reasons, and with the interests of the sport in the forefront, and the game. Hard to see that as the best choice, but I don't doubt they are sincere, and probably effective.

So consider your motivation, if you conscience exists and is clear, you are doing as well as the rest of us. Most people don't actually do what they do in trad archery without any compromise, or personal preferences being catered to. It is a bit like unconventional marriages, maybe they aren't entered into for some purpose like procreation alone, but you can't say that for a lot of traditional marriages either.

From: Bloodyfeathers
Date: 03-May-12




Very interesting...

From: Bloodyfeathers
Date: 03-May-12




Very interesting...

From: Shotkizer
Date: 03-May-12




I know there's some ribbing on these hot topics, but overall, the thread is informative and entertaining.

From: tradmt
Date: 04-May-12




Drop down to 40lbs and hunt away, I'm sure it can be done with great success. Even 35lbs, or 25lbs, or 15lbs given the right circumstances, hell you might kill a whitey with a well placed rock!

Native Americans used low poundage bows and obviously ate well enough to survive but I wonder what the wound/loss rate was, I would guess it is more than we could accept in these modern times.

The reasons I made my comments prior was because it seems alot of folks want to believe that whatever the law states is what is morally and/or ethically right, and that is just not always the case. Secondly, some folks want to make the arguement that if you just put that arrow in the right place its going to die, whitch is true but I think it's foolish and down right careless to think that your'e arrow is going to hit the mark 100% of the time with out fail, animals can MOVE.

As far as wounding goes, from what I've seen, and this is my personal experiences and mistakes also, most are caused by shooting from to great a distance. Animals are mobile, period. You can be the best shot on the planet and miss the mark because the critter moved before the arrow arrived, a little extra draw weight may help on a poor shot.

I guess in the end it is you that has to live with the decisions you have made, I would'nt shoot 35lbs if I can handle 40, I would'nt shoot 40 if I could shoot 45 etc. etc. etc.

Whitetails differ in size from state to state, and also age or gender differences, a 6yr old buck is a bit more robust than a fawn, and the newborns here in Montana are damm near the size of some of the deer i've seen posted on here so that makes a difference also.

From: rc Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 04-May-12




Cavemen and indians wounded lots of deer. I have video to prove it.

From: Stan
Date: 04-May-12




A bad hit is just that.. Some newbie experts may claim their setup will pull them out of it, but most that have been doing this awhile absolutely know better.. Like said above, deer aren't hard to kill if you put it in the vitals and 35 is enough period! Still others need to ram their equipment and manly morals down every ones throats, why? I don't know..It's just white noise.. Funny how some even doubt Native Americans shooting ability and their choices Especially when these choices were made by them to stay alive.. Not cruising the internet just to argue with folks..

From: tradmt
Date: 04-May-12




So Stan I guess we can assume that a 35# bow, on average, will impart just as much energy on the arrow as say a 55# bow.

Do you suppose I would be more likely to fully penetrate the rib cage of an elephant with a 100# bow or a 50# bow?

I never once stated that 35# was'nt enough, only that more is better, the arrow with the most energy, all other things being equal ie. friction coefficient, will penetrate further. Which in turn CAN, not neccesarily WILL, turn an otherwise non-fatal hit into a fatal hit.

I'm not sure what you mean by manly morals and I hav'nt crammed anything anywhere and I don't doubt the shooting abilities of the Natives, I believe their equipment choices were made not only for survival but also because of materials available to them.

In the best case scenario is 35# enough to double lung a whitey? Probably yes. In the worst case scenario? maybe but do we want to plan for worst case or best case?

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, it's only common sense for crying out loud! If 35# is all you can handle than go for it, if you lose a deer on account 3/4 of your'e arrow is hanging out the shoulder than so be it, it's not your'e fault when it's the legal limit and it's the best you can do. If your'e arrow is 3/4 hanging out cause you never practice and can't shoot or tune worth a damm, or you choose to shoot a 35# bow when you can handle 40# then that is your'e fault.

From: Inhimwelive
Date: 04-May-12




Yes it is enough to kill a deer, but would I reccomend it across the board? The answer is no. My concern would be recommending it to a newbie who does not have proper mentoring. With properly tuned equipment, shot at reasonable hunting ranges with a razor sharp head it will definitely get the job done. However someone just starting out will probably violate one or more of the above. Lets be realistic, how many of us new how to tune are equipment before we ever took to field with it? If you did I would bet it was because you had a mentor guiding your progress.

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




Stan, do you shoot the bows and arrow specs that indians did? If so, why? If not...why not?

From: Stan
Date: 04-May-12




Kevin.. The original poster didn't say he was a beginner, just said he had to go down in weight.. We assume many things which usually result in going off course of the original subject matter.. It should be a "given" that the bow is tuned etc.. Sapcut....Yes, I did and do still occasionally.. I made my own for years now.. And have killed with less.. I don't comment just to see my writing.. I actually have experience in what I say.. Why? Because it works.. I do believe the cave men were advocates of extreme foc though.. Have you tried their equipment? If so why? If not why not?....lol

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




No I haven't and do not choose to use the same equipment the Native Americans used. Why? Because I choose to use a much improved weapon then in those days.

They used what they used because that is all they had available. That is until they got their hands on a more improved weapon....a firearm of some sort. They made those decisions to "stay alive".

We also use what we use because it is available. I feel sure that an Indian would have chosen a Tuffhead and some good hotmelt had it been available.....in order to increase his chances of "staying alive".

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




No I haven't and do not choose to use the same equipment the Native Americans used. Why? Because I choose to use a much improved weapon then in those days.

They used what they used because that is all they had available. That is until they got their hands on a more improved weapon....a firearm of some sort. They made those decisions to "stay alive".

We also use what we use because it is available. I feel sure that an Indian would have chosen a Tuffhead and some good hotmelt had it been available.....in order to increase his chances of "staying alive".

From: Inhimwelive
Date: 04-May-12




Stan I didn't assume anything. The question was is it enough for hunting and I stated what I thought with parameters. And are you kidding with the going off topic stuff while you've started a discussion about what Native Americans used?

Provs 21:2 Every man's way is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts.

From: Stan
Date: 04-May-12




Kevin.... wasn't talking about you directly, I did say we didn't I? Man you fellas are wearin sensitive panties today.. Wayne... You feelin guilty or somethin? I didn't call you out did I? The comment about Native American was directed to replies saying the equipment was basically inferior or they didn't know how to tiller or get the energy we can today, b.s. Folks talking out their arses, and no hands on to back it up.. Try making and using the so called inferior equipment they used then come back here and apologize..Cause you will surely see they weren't lacking much.. And please stop with the ridiculous extreme examples ok? Done here..

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




Yea guys.....and whatever you do don't dare try to improve your bow hunting weapon from the standard weapon 100 years ago. That is not cool. But if you do.....don't shove it down the throats of those wearing sensitive panties.

From: kingwouldbe
Date: 04-May-12

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From: Stan
Date: 04-May-12




You are really reaching there Richie.. What kind of back ground do you have in archery might I ask? Have you made a shootable bow before? A selfbow with very little string follow? How about arrows? You have taken the original point of this thread and turned it to suit some kind of agenda that is pointless.. Modern equipment at 35 pounds does kill deer just as dead as anything you could muster to pull.. Are you done yet? If not please enlighten me on your findings of all the primitive gear you have made? And actually have used in the field? Or do you just read stuff online? Don't want to fight bud.. You don't have the ammo, and I don't have the time.. Peace..

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




Just a minute Stan....can't stop laughing at King's photo. That is great.

Ok....Stan...I am simply responding to your post commenting on those who shoot heavier equipment and shove it down your throat. You brought it up. I have not said nor implied a 35# bow will not "kill" a deer. But what I did imply and say is that the Indians used what they used because they didn't have anything any better....until they began using firearms.

It in order to make your personal weapon of choice look better to you.....I have not built nor used a bow and arrow as primitive as the Indians used 100+ years ago. Nothing wrong with it if one chooses to use it but I choose to use equipment that gives me better chances of killing animals. Does that offense you in some way.

From: Stan
Date: 04-May-12




Sapcut first post...NO..it is not enough. Use a heavier bow or don't hunt until you can. Have a nice day..

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




How many conversations are you trying to have?

Enough to "kill" a deer but enough to "work well" for hunting deer and turkeys. I still say hunt with more weight. Still confused?

From: AWPForester
Date: 04-May-12




Well, I meant not to get all this started with me telling Ritchie he was flopping his mouth. Sapcut and myself give each other a hard time every chance we get and mean it as nothing more than that. I still think he is rather dumb at times and it shows in his post but other than that I have no lasting feelings towards him. At least no hard ones. God BLess.:>)

From: dire wolf
Date: 04-May-12




Boy howdy..this thread is a blast from the past..:) If it's legal to hunt with concerning draw weight..Go for it.

Hopefully the archer hits what he(or she) is aiming at and can track and gut and butcher and pack out..

I kinda like heavier bows for elk and bear..and I don't hunt food plots or from a treestand.

My own archery preferences are quite different from most..Jim

From: RC
Date: 04-May-12




Is 25 # enough?

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




What took you so long Justin? I can't believe you didn't mention your 2' draw in your post. That's not like you during your long winded mouth flopping sessions. Dumb? Just a realist making tons of sense. And not insecure hence the high chair temper fits as the pictures suggests. :))

"mean it as nothing more than that". Right back atcha.

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




RC, That's high chair bow weight.

From: roger
Date: 04-May-12




"Is 25 # enough?"

No, but, if you can muster 28# then you'll whack'em dead every time.

From: RC
Date: 04-May-12




I was just thinking of you weaker guys, Sapcut:) I hunt with 70 pounders.

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




LOL, when I grow up I'm maybe gonna build a real primitive bow every bit of 28 or 30 #'s. Then after some proper back muscle training techniques from AWP and OSB, I'll get my draw length up to around 23.5" or so. :))

From: RC
Date: 04-May-12




So then 28 is enough ya say Dodger?

From: nightcrawler
Date: 04-May-12




Whew! lots of ideas and opinions. I am 75 years old and shoot a 45 pound black widow. But I go to the gym 3 times a week just to keep my upper body strength sufficient to handle the 45 pounds. Incidentally, I only weigh 140 pounds myself.

From: RC
Date: 04-May-12




Damn, 30 pounds at 23.5 draw would be arrow smoken material:)

From: bowwild
Date: 04-May-12




35# wouldn't be enough for me but for some it would be. I want a little more confidence in my set-up than that would allow. I'm not criticizing, I just know how my mind works.

From: Jim
Date: 04-May-12




NO!

From: tradmt
Date: 04-May-12




Nope, not feeling guilty at all, just thought that post was aimed at me at least partly anyway.

I would hope no one hear feels guilty about expressing their opinions and what they believe in.

From: tonto59
Date: 04-May-12
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I'd Like to see a new thread started. Maybe something like "game taken with 35# bow." Then maybe include the penetration you got.How far you tracked it. Ext.ext. I'm not 100% positive. I think That law was passed in New Jersey. So women and young kids could enjoy hunting too.

From: AWPForester
Date: 04-May-12




Now your Talking! There is a lot Ken could teach you Ritchie! Yeah!

From: Sapcut
Date: 04-May-12




LOL

KENForester, Is that really you? Or is is Onesharpforester?

Tonto59, I think that is a great idea....if people would actually post and post truthfully about recoveries and nonrecoveries.

From: tradmt
Date: 04-May-12




It's a good idea on the surface but as soon as we start getting into the lost wounded it's going to get shut down.

Even though we all know that wounding and non recovered game happens, and yes I know some of you are perfect and have never lost nor wounded any animal of any kind in the last 58.36 yrs of your'e bowhunting careers, but some of us are human and have wounded and lost. With that being said it is best to keep these things to ourselves rather than spread it around for the non hunting public to see.

From: Stan
Date: 04-May-12




Wow.. Great tiger game tonite..beautiful stadium as well.. While you fellas were flexing and telling each other how strong you were I got some fresh air... Great stuff....Try it.. Good night all..

From: String Cutter
Date: 05-May-12




I have never hunted with a "Light Weight Bow?" But when I was 10 yrs old I was shot by a little red bow. It had plastic tipps and a rubber grip. Don't think it was even drawn to 15#'s by my 9 yr old cousin. And at about 20+ yrds after skipping off a stonewall it still went in 1 1/2 inches into the back of my thigh. And that was with one of those crimped on rounded points for kids... I have no doubt that a 30# bow with a sharp BH would kill a person with no problems. Therfore in my mind it would also take a deer............. I also think that we should't be talking bow poundage here. Better would be Foot pounds.... a [email protected] is totally differant then [email protected]

From: Sapcut
Date: 05-May-12




Stan, I did that Tuesday night watching Braves and Phillies. My son got the ball that Qualls threw striking out Juan Francisco to end the 8th.

I spent a good while talking to a guy sitting in front of me about hunting. He was David Bowen, big home builder in Atlanta and really nice guy. A bowhunter, he leases some of Jeff Foxworthy's land at Callaway Gardens.

From: AWPForester
Date: 05-May-12




Good morning all. As it is raining here and I am not going to get wet turkey hunting, I thought I would go get my 100 pound bow shooting a 2000 grain arrow with a 34% FOC and try to shoot some tweety birds out of the bird feeder. 80 pounds wasn't heavy enough because I inadvertantly struck the metal pole the feeder was hanging on and did not get a clean pass thru last week.

But I switched to a single bevel 1000 grain 3:1 ratio head as my traditional double bevel also showed some significant damage due to my poor shot. Not acceptable. This might get it done though. "But, just in case I do make a bad shot this should plow right through the brush, feathers, and bone, or both, to get vitals. Hunting with anything less would be unethical."

Good morning Meathead. Sound Familiar? It sure does to everyonne else.:>) God Bless all

From: TRADARCHER
Date: 05-May-12




Hi. I´m using 65# and it work´s for me. DEFINITIVELY I´m not Howard Hill but my arrows hit´s around the point that it supouse has to be. Allways (I try) on the vital area. A lower poundage could give you more control and the time you need to make a secure shot. We all know that, Traditional Bowhunters are recognized as a hunters community with high standar ethical values. And we know that to hunt is not just to take the life of an animal just for fun. There is not anything honorable in making suffer an animal. We are not kids, we know where the vital area is and how do we need to put any kind of animal down. Many people use one same poundage bow for all kind of hunts, other have an extra set of limbs or another bow for specific hunting situations. We need to do all that we need to be safer, ethical and efficient bowhunter...and of course have a good time on the woods. Just a little more respect for the Lords creation. I just my opinion. Good morning all.

From: bowwild
Date: 05-May-12




There is no need to have a minimum draw weight regulation just like there is no need to have a centerfire caliber limit for rifle hunting.

That is too much government.

I know, I proposed and got both those regulations dropped for deer hunting in KY in the late 1990's. That was about 15 years ago. The deer herd is fine, there have been NO stories about too light bows, and no the regulation to eliminate minimums wasn't turned back.

Officers (and I support em, I was a commissioned but not practicing wildlife officer before I retired) don't carry scales to check draw weights. Bows don't always draw what they are marked because of mis-marking or short-draws.

If a regulation isn't going to be enforced it is worse than unneccessary. I've read all kinds of silly, unenforceable regulations; arrow cast, broadhead widths, broadhead construction, lighted pins or not, etc. Most of the regulations are the by-product of a self-important bowhunter with a couple of "VIP" connections. You'd be shocked how few people it takes to change a regulation. Here in KY we can thank one Bozo from a midwestern state whose testimony stopped a science-supported regulation change to create a 1-2 week, after-gun season extension of spring turkey season. I'm still steamed about that and it was 12 years ago!

Some say the laws should help educate or legislate ethics. I appreciate those sentiments, but I don't agree. Our regulation books shouldn't be complicated, as they are, with education that one or two people think is important. That's why I answered this they way I did above "Not for me but ok for some." In fact, I wouldn't dream of bowhunting anything as big or bigger than turkey with less than 40#. But I wouldn't force my ethic on another hunter.

I have no doubt that a broadside deer inside of 15 yards hit with a shaving-sharp broadhead from a well-tuned rig, will double lung that critter. It will be just as dead as the 80# er driving arrows into the dirt beyond.

All hunters want to be successful and most want to be ethical. They will research in various ways, mostly word-of-mouth, to determine what they should use. In 45 years of bowhunting and 30 years of professional wildlife management I have NEVER seen someone hunting with too-light of a bow. I did hear a story about a very young child killing a deer with a bow that I wouldn't have had my son or daughter hunt with. I have seen a bowhunter who's quiver was the dirt in front of his chair. He had his broadhead-tipped arrows stuck vertical n the dirt waiting for a deer to walk by.

This will ruffle a few I suppose but that's not my intention.

From: Sapcut
Date: 05-May-12




AWP, now you're cooking with gas.

If you could do that.....you would get much closer than you are now. That's what's funny....if you COULD pull your bow back 31" you would. You wouldn't be constantly posting trying to come up with new ways to make your 2' draw look good.

However, I must say....your 24" draw does have one advantage over my 31" draw. After cutting your aluminum arrows to size, you could get about a dozen 2" footings that should fit my carbons. :))))

From: AWPForester
Date: 05-May-12




:)

From: Sapcut
Date: 05-May-12




Just joshin, Justin.

From: roger
Date: 05-May-12




.....Richie, LOOK!! - over there....no THERE! - it's a bird, it's a plane, no, IT'S ED ASHBY!!, the dentist/penetration expert. :)......LOL.

From: AWPForester
Date: 05-May-12




Now that's funny. God Bless

From: tradmt
Date: 05-May-12




Well geeez bowwild if the government does'nt tell us what to do how are we supposed to know?

WOW AWP, where did that come from? Not much of a morning person I take it, have some more coffee and relax. Why are you using a 100# bow when 35# is plenty?

roger, how did Ashby end up in a draw weight thread?

From: Stan
Date: 05-May-12




Wow!! Some active imaginations goin on... Love it.. The question was how many are USING 35?.. Not what is your opinion.. Rekon that would have made for a short to the point thread.. What the heck fun is that? For the record, yes, I did kill small game and one deer with a self bow around 35# No problems.. Most of my selfbows were from 50# up to 60# The 35 ish one was one I was trying to save desperately , ( ash..knotty limbs) and finished the season with it, with venison I might add.. So I have no doubts a 35# laminated bow would be enough.. As stated above and some fine pics of folks doin it all the time,.. Sorry to the OP for the side tracking.. One question to the laughing super strong fellas with tunnel vision... Did you ever consider the fact of changing hunting method with the changing of draw weight? Just something to ponder.. Not everyone shoots out of a tree stand over bait you know.. Many, many different methods to compliment bow choices..

From: Sapcut
Date: 05-May-12




Good one roger...except Ashby wasn't a dentist. Darn you blew that one.

Oh yea...I get it..you were thinking of the elf on Rudolph the red nosed reindeer. Remember...."I want to be a dentist".

Stan,

"Did you ever consider the fact of changing hunting method with the changing of draw weight? Just something to ponder.. Not everyone shoots out of a tree stand over bait you know.. Many, many different methods to compliment bow choices.."

Not sure what you mean there...and yes I am one of those who never will hunt over a pile of corn or in a turkey blind or with a decoy. I personally like to hunt animals then kill them...not just kill them. But interested in your question.

From: IaHawkeye
Date: 05-May-12




Lots of self exclaimed "experts", expressing their "opinions", as unquestionable facts ! Your opinions are just that, OPINIONS, and should be stated as such! Having said that, there's been plenty of proof proving 35# bows can and do consistently take deer. Whereas, where is the proof they can't, and are only good for small game? In my opinion, a good ethical hunter is well equipped using a 35# to take deer. nuff said!

From: tradmt
Date: 05-May-12




What changes to ones hunting methods would one make in order to utilize a 35# bow?

Please fill us in on the many many different methods you speak of Stan.

From: r.grider
Date: 05-May-12




You guys have turned this into a major Pee Pee contest. The original question was....,?

From: Sapcut
Date: 05-May-12




r.grider, your point is.....?

This is just good trad bowhunter fellowship from miles and miles away.

From: RC
Date: 05-May-12




So is 25 enough?

From: Sapcut
Date: 05-May-12




RC, I would say 25 may be enough only for hunting pond sliders and possibly the common box turtle due to their rather slow reflexes. Unlike deer, those low mph reflexes can create a darn close guaranteed boiler room shot.

From: r.grider
Date: 05-May-12




Sapcut, no point, just like a lot of the posts on this thread.

From: Sapcut
Date: 05-May-12




r.grider, can argue with you there, including most of mine. :))

From: tonto59
Date: 06-May-12
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Congratulations to all you hunters who took big game and small game with lite weight bows. Now we don't have to wonder if it's possible. Thanks for sharing the great pictures with us. It's kinda funny how some will still argue. When you have all that proof.

From: traxx
Date: 06-May-12




It's kinda funny how some will still argue. When you have all that proof

Honestly,

I dont think that some argue the point,because they believe,it is not possible.Its about hearing themselves talk.

From: Sapcut
Date: 06-May-12




What I like to hear is the humor in justifying why a healthy grown man pulls only 35#s. 35#s... That's funny.

From: tradmt
Date: 06-May-12




I wonder how long we can keep this thread running.

From: RC
Date: 06-May-12




I hope yunzs are right cause I just ordered a 25 pound Black Widow:)

From: RC
Date: 06-May-12




Would mechanical heads open with a 25 pound bow?

From: roger
Date: 06-May-12




Yep, your good to go, Roy. Get the "RAGE!" broadhead, they're tops for Elk.......we'll use them on that Idaho trip hunt we planned.

From: RC
Date: 06-May-12




Cool Roger. My other 25 pounder sticks arrows into the Elk 3-D targets pretty good, so I should be set for the hunt.

From: AndyB
Date: 06-May-12




Shoot single bevel, nothing else really matters.

From: Sapcut
Date: 06-May-12




Yea Andy's right roger. You and RC need to try the new Ragelicious. It's a single bevel Rage with a built in 42.3% FOC :))

RC, I think you're onto something. If it will stick in a McKenzie target...case closed, you're good to go. :)

Have a fun and safe trip.

From: AndyB
Date: 06-May-12




Thank you, SAPCUT. My daughter has a 30# recurve I could probably get trimmed down to 25, and if they ever re-establish an elk herd here in North Florida, I know what bow and broadhead I will use. By that time it's doubtful I could pull my heavier bows anyway.

From: Juan Matos
Date: 06-May-12




At first I thought the 25 pounder for elk comments were sarcastic jokes, but now I'm thinking this is searious talk. Is this searious talk?

From: AndyB
Date: 06-May-12




I believe Roger and SAPCUT are serious, but I'm just joking...ever since they got ahold of a single bevel Rage they just keep dropping draw weight! (Juan, we are all kidding).

From: Juan Matos
Date: 06-May-12




Ok, me big dummy.

From: RC
Date: 06-May-12




Thanks Sap, the nice thing about a 25 pounder is ya can hold at full draw for a long time:)

From: tonto59
Date: 06-May-12
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Traxx, Just curious do you know what the make of the bow was Mr. Poteet used to hunt with? Sounds like he had to be a great hunter.

From: Sapcut
Date: 06-May-12




The BEST thing about the 25#er is you can pull two bows at once. Wow! what a stinkin "elkinator" that would be. Two Ragilicious-es side by side. :))

You heard it here first.

From: traxx
Date: 06-May-12




Tonto59, I cant remember,the Model,but the make,was a Herters.It was a 40 lber,at 28" but he only drew it to about 26".He wasnt a very large man,in physical size,but was very strong.He could have easily,drawn a much heavier bow.He once told me,that a person,should use a bow,that they have complete controll of,not the other way around.He also said,"If ya cant String it{Push Pull method}Ya probly shouldnt be shootin it.Yes,he was a Great hunter,not just a guy who flung arrows at game.He damn shure didnt believe,that shootin heavy weights,was any kind of "Insurance"in killing game.Knowing when and where to shoot em is what put meat in the freezer.He was kind of a cantankerous,onery ole cuss,that didnt stand for no foolishness.I shure do miss his type.

From: gobbler716
Date: 31-Aug-12




I'm sorry I ever bought a 65 recurve, I could shoot it great when I was 35, but now that I am 60, I have been picking up some smaller poundage bows n Ebay.

I did sell that bad 65#er on Ebay, whew! My 55# shoots great and my 45# even better.

From: tradmt
Date: 31-Aug-12




301

From: roger
Date: 31-Aug-12




.....302

From: swampbowman
Date: 17-Oct-16




Whenever I see a new penetration or minimum weight thread start I go back to this one. The discussion here gave me more confidence in the light weight setup I had to use when I was nursing an injury. Enjoy !

From: GLF
Date: 17-Oct-16




Shame when men can only build into the same weight bows as their wives tho. I just wonder tho, can anyone tell me, is 15 lbs enough for Cape Buffalo?

From: traxx
Date: 17-Oct-16




Well lets face it.......men are far less manly than they were say 50 years ago..........so yes in most instances a lighter bow might be a neccesity..........fewer men do hard physical labor anymore...

Or.... Because of hard physical labor all of ones life.Most of em at jobs most wouldnt do for a living for very long,has caused skeletal and soft tissue issues that regardless of muscle content have created issues that require a drop in draw weight,to avoid pain and further damage,that would keep someone from continuing.

From: limbwalker
Date: 17-Oct-16




traxx- you are correct. Fewer men do hard physical labor. Is that their fault? I don't think so.

If we want to grow the sport, we need to lose the stupid macho attitudes.

Anytime I meet someone whose ego is tied to their draw weight, I just keep on movin'. I ain't got time for that.

To the OP, 35# at what draw length is my question. Because 35# at a reasonable (30-31") draw length is plenty for deer IMO. But at 26-28? That's getting in the marginal zone.

From: MStyles
Date: 17-Oct-16




After I got my first real bow (BP fiberglass Jet, 25#), I came to understand that 35# was a hunting-weight bow, the next step up being 45# - 50# for big game. I was 9 or 10 back then, and my Dad's friend's hunted everything with 35-45# recurves. I saw and handled (unstrung)their "laminated recurves" which, in 1959-60, were the latest and greatest thing in archery. I never knew there was 55# and higher bows until I got back into archery in 1998.

From: Bowlim
Date: 17-Oct-16




There is this other thread that asks about comparisons on 45 to 55 pound bows, and the wailing in pitiful. "no way to tell" "depends where you hit", "numbers hurt my head", etc... But bring up 35 to 45 pound bows, and the math challenged among us are all "today's 35 pound bow is yesterday's 45 pound bow". So what we know so far is that at least science works for light bows, but just can't be relied on for heavier bows.

From: Frisky
Date: 17-Oct-16




This past week, I did some penetration testing out of my Hoyt Pro Medalist 2. It's marked 30 pounds, and I shot 370 grain Predator 700 arrows. They're thin arrows, and I added a lot of point weight to lessen spine. They penetrate surprising deep! With a narrow, light weight 2 blade, I'd expect to shoot through a deer at closer ranges. That said, I feel comfortable at 45 pounds. I still get a lot of shoulder pain when I shoot my 54 pound bows.

Joe

From: limbwalker
Date: 17-Oct-16




On Friday afternoon, I shot through two 120#+ feral hogs with my 52# recurve. I mean clean through. Lost one arrow and was lucky to find the other. I was on the ground, and there was a slough behind these two sows. I could have shot a third, but didn't want to lose another arrow in the slough.

For the life of me, I can't understand how some of these TV hunters are getting 8" of penetration with 70# compounds. It defies logic, when my arrows are sailing through feral hogs.

From: Chris1960
Date: 18-Oct-16




Limbwalker.. I suspect the compound guys you refer to are hitting and offside leg or using those stupid large broadheads. I shot a 60# compound for about 20 years and I went through everything, all the time. With that said, I aimed for the lungs and not the heart. No large bones anywhere around that area.

From: TGbow
Date: 18-Oct-16




Alabama just lowered the poundage to 30lbs.

From: limbwalker
Date: 18-Oct-16




Chris, you might be right but I'm always stunned at how poor of penetration those TV show hunters get compared to my "lowly" recurve.

From: The Whittler
Date: 18-Oct-16




For those that belittle the ones who can only shoot light weight bows for what ever reason. I would like to see you shoot your manly bows you SAY you have.

I would bet 90% or more never get to full draw and have a hard time shooting manly bows. Remember when you point your finger at someone you have 3 more pointing back at you.

From: Flinger1
Date: 18-Oct-16




Trolls and hypocrites Whittler,,,this site is loaded with them. Reviving a thread from 2012 proves that and George now has his own personal troll,,what a website.

From: Babbling Bob Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 18-Oct-16




Yup

From: Silverstreak Archer
Date: 18-Oct-16




Well, I'll tell ya what. If a guy with a 40lb selfbow, twisted leather string, cane arrows, and stone points can shoot through a deer (not complete pass through, but arrow heads sticking several inches out the opposite side of the thoracic cavity), then I am not going to be too worried about a 35 pound compound or recurve with modern string, modern arrows, and sharp steel broadheads. All the arrow really needs to do is make it to the oposite side ribs, it doesn't technically need to exit. Yes, exiting makes blood trailing much less of a chore, but once both lungs are punched it is game over.

This argument is not all that dissimilar from gun hunters arguing about how much energy you need from a cartridge to kill a deer. The guns I use don't even come close (a 44 Mag revolver, and a .54 muzzleloader with patched ball). And yet, both of those guns lay deer down like there is no tomorrow. Of course the articles in question would have you believe it takes the latest 300 magnum or in-line muzzleloader with a 3 pellet load and a jacketed bullet to bring down a deer. More about selling and ego there.

I venture a guess none of us want the pile of deer in our yard killed by a hunter past or present shooting a bow under 45 pounds at their draw length with steel or stone heads. Maybe add to that pile all the deer that fell to a round ball and black powder, or the anemic 44-40 and 30-30. So much more of this equation has to do with the individual behind the weapon and their skills. Off the soap box.

Chris

From: GLF
Date: 18-Oct-16




I don't care what anyone shoots, to a point. But when these threads get brought back or started new I gotta make some fun at em. Seems at times every other day someone wants to know how much is the least they can hunt with or if this or that weight will work. I've been at a ton of hunting camps over the last 51 years and I can honestly say that I've never heard anyone ask what poundage someone else chooses to hunt with. It just not important enough to take up time from good daily hunting stories.

From: traxx
Date: 18-Oct-16




Mark....

.I had no idea at all that you were physically challenged...

That may be a bit of a stretch ,as i still shoe horses for a living.I rodeo'd for the better part of 20 years as well as buckaroo'ed on many outfits in the west,including the federall Govt.The only job i ever had,that wasnt livestock related,in all these years,was pulling chain at a lumber mill.Oh wait,i did do a short haul,helping a friend pour concrete. Its not that im unable to shoot a heavier bow.I can still draw hold and release a pretty heavy bow,but if i do,for very many shots,then im not going to be able to work for a while.Ranch and rodeo wrecks have taken their toll.I started feeling the reminders of my chosen lifestyle,when i hit my 40's.

Its a choice to avoid surgery,for as long as i can as it seems to be that particular motion of drawing the bow,that irritates the injury.I have changed my style somewhat to accommodate,but if you read what i posted earlier in this thread,you will see that i have witnessed many times,what a lighter poundage bow is capable of in competent hands.The weight that i choose now is more than that weight,so i am confident in its ability as long as i use good judgment.I think that is the key,regardless of draw weight used.I personally think that a thread relegated to the topic of shot responsibility,would go a lot further than one regarding draw weight used.

From: dean
Date: 18-Oct-16




I have shot quite a few animals with very heavy longbows. I went heavy because of the challenge to get strong enough to handle them and maybe one day shoot a bull moose. Then when in the presence of a bull moose, the last thing I wanted to do is cause it any harm. I continued to watch my arrows shot from heavy bows skip and dance across the frozen ground and shattering against tree branches after flying through deer. Then I ripped a muscle in my draw arm while working out. I shot a doe at 18 yards with a 37 or 38 at my draw Hill. I was amazed how that arrow disappeared through the deer. I never used a super heavy bow for hunting again. Today, I wish that I would have never gone over 55 pounds at my draw.

From: traxx
Date: 18-Oct-16




No worries Mark. I wasnt trying to discredit you,but more to show folks that things aren't always so cut n dry and there are other perspectives on the subject.

From: limbwalker
Date: 18-Oct-16




Dean - you probably just described the journey of many "trad" bowhunters.

My first traditional hunting bow was an Assenheimer recurve that was marked 55#@28, and I know I was pulling it to at least 30. Way overbowed. I wish someone had taught me how to shoot a 45# (at my draw length) recurve WELL from the get-go.

From: razorhead
Date: 19-Oct-16




I shoot a Hoyt Buffalo at 40lbs, with a coc head, and a correct spined arrow, and get pass thrus all within my 20 yard range, and I am very accurate with it, and its a joy to shoot,,,,,,

My 53lb checkmate, I do not get a full 28 with it anymore, but I still enjoy it,,,,,,,

From: DT1963
Date: 19-Oct-16




No

From: limbwalker
Date: 19-Oct-16




I probably shouldn't have read very many posts on this thread, but boy there are some insensitive ignorant posts above.

So much for this being a community that supports one another.

How hard is it to just say "I wouldn't do it" and move on? Anyone who has to belittle someone over the draw weight of their bow really is lacking in some areas of their life.

Why they would think anyone really cares how "manly" they are is pretty sad really, and IMO they represent the worst that "traditional" bowhunting has to offer. It is precisely attitudes like those that instead of being seen as serious sportsmen, many people in the bowhunting community view traditional bowhunters as ignorant knuckledraggers. Well done gents. Well done.

From: limbwalker
Date: 19-Oct-16




LOL. Very true Mark.

At least I have learned to lay off the wolf threads. ;)

From: stickbow21
Date: 19-Oct-16




Pics of dead snakes too!!

From: Mo0se
Date: 23-Sep-19

Mo0se's embedded Photo



Kansas 36#28 Modern longbow 23 yards pass thru. Kansas eliminated the minimum. Everything about this picture and what I chose to use is wrong. (Popular opinion)

1. Lightweight 36# longbow limbs on a metal riser. 2. 415 gr arrow 11gpp 3. A vented muzzy 3 blade trocar tip (Non traditional) 4. A 68" bow 5. No efoc

This deer ran 50 yards and and I heard her pile up. I'm going to repeat this again this year. You put an arrow in the right place and the rest matters very little. I found the arrow a few feet behind where she stood when I shot her. Focusing only on raw power beyond your control is a recipe for continued disaster in the woods. Can I shoot 50#? Yes. Do I need 50#? no. You are not doing an animal any favors by shooting heavy weight you can't control. Planning for a bad hit and load up with efoc? Nah.

I could use 45# or 40# but that doesn't increase my success rate. Shooting well is your best chance of success in anything archery related. 3D targets or deer..they are both a simple target.

From: RymanCat
Date: 23-Sep-19




Not the bow weight its the point and shot placement!

From: D.Lewis aka tonto59
Date: 23-Sep-19




Congrats on your light bow kill Jeff. I'm sure there will be many more.

From: monkeyball
Date: 23-Sep-19




Jeff, You gave of us all the specs except for the arrow spine and type.....what were you pushing?

Thanks and Good Shooting->->->->Craig

From: dean
Date: 23-Sep-19




For those that are static only shooters. A modern 35 pound target bow at 35 pounds draw, puts out a faster arrow than many hunting bows that are 10 pounds stiffer with the same arrow.

From: fdp
Date: 04-Aug-22




Ttt

From: Gvdocholiday Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 04-Aug-22




Just shoot a heavy enough arrow with a razor sharp broadhead and keep the shots under 20yds.

I plan to spend a few sits with a 35lb Bear Cheyenne this season...it shoots a 563grain arrow at the same speed as a 45lb Longbow that I've used to put that 563grain arrow through several deer and turkeys with the broadhead getting dulled by the dirt it lands in after complete passthroughs.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 04-Aug-22




I killed a couple deer with 38 lbs while rehabbing my shoulder. They are just as dead as my 55 lb bow.. Just shoot em close

From: r.grider
Date: 04-Aug-22




Another pissing match over bow weight. It never ends. Once upon a time this sight was purely usefull information, but through the years it has come to these type threads

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 04-Aug-22




I’m not sure what you consider “once upon a time” but this thread was started twelve years ago in 2010.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 04-Aug-22




I saw that. FDP is a troll. LOL

From: fdp
Date: 05-Aug-22




Some say that JR... And Some say words. :)

Actually I called this thread up because a similar question came up again on the first page. And this just shows this isn't new topic, and that the answer to.the question lies with the person asking it.

From: r.grider
Date: 05-Aug-22




Wow ! Did not notice the date. Ok, 20 + years ago then.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 05-Aug-22




A very old thread.

From: Stick Hippie
Date: 05-Aug-22




This thread was bumped up for me and I appreciate it, lots of great feedback here

From: forrest-hunter
Date: 05-Aug-22




back in the 60's a lot a woman hunted with 35-38# recurves where legal - read various articles which showed bow poundage ladies where hunting with

From: TGbow
Date: 05-Aug-22




In Alabama the minimum weight is 30lbs. For deer 40 lbs will kill the same deer 55lbs will kill.

Shot placement and a sharp broadhead.





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