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From: TK Date: 13-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostWell, one of the old girls kicked the bucket. When I found her, whe was still about lukewarm. No idea what killed her, she just laid down with the rest of the herd and died right there; no struggle, nothing. Guess we all need to go like that... Anyway, to make a long story even longer, I came back to next day to find about 20 buzzards doing what they do best. Since they had already added insult to injury (and they cant get past the hide to really to a good job of getting it cleaned up), I thought I would run an experiement on my bow and get some preseason practice in. Got 2219's, pine shafts, and cedar. I had one bh, a Rocky Mtn Razor. I shot it and, well, it was ok. Good penetration until it hit the spine. It lodge in and died right there. This is where it gets interesting. The rest of my arrows had field points. The cow was already starting to swell (the legs had attained lift-off). It needed a hole started to get the gas out and the birds/coyotes in, so I shot it. The arrow hit solid, and came back at me. Now I was using a Howatt Hunter with 60#. Aluminums, wood, they all came back. Approx 60 attempts, not one single entry. This is not scientific, and I did not have a Magnus, etc to test the cut on impact heads. I did, however, come to the conclusion that if anyone goes to Africa to hunt those water buffs, you need a lot of bow, and a damned serious head. BTW, the four blade bh I used went in 1/2". That is where it will stay too; it flew terrible, and the cow can have it as far as I am concerned. So, there you have it. Maybe someone cam use this information. At least now we all now that you cannot kill a dead cow with field points. TK 1 |
From: Van/TX Date: 13-Sep-99 TK, did ya try any carbons?!! LOL! You are one sick puppy ;-).......Van 2 |
From: Will-MO Date: 13-Sep-99 Travis... "(the legs had attained lift-off)" What a laugh.. Like Van said.. You need help....;-) 3 |
From: the Razorhead Date: 13-Sep-99 Eeeeeewwwwwwwwwww... Couldn't get a backhoe out there, could ya? John 4 |
From: Bill K./CT Date: 13-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostI should have known not to open this thread while eating lunch! Thanks! 8^) Bill K. 5 |
From: Bruce Snyder Date: 13-Sep-99 Travis, hope you wuz standing upwind at the time. 6 |
From: Armadillo Date: 13-Sep-99 "...you cannot kill a dead cow with field points." has got to be one of the best lines ever! TK...thanks for the research. Rick 7 |
From: Jeffy Date: 13-Sep-99 Dead Cow Bad Haiku: Real cold and bloated Dead Bovine real field tip proof Backstop for Trad Shoots? 8 |
From: Joe Mattingly Date: 13-Sep-99 I keep tellin' these guys that we need more bona fide research like you've just done. NOOOOOO! they tell me, just go with the "magic". Travis, you've moved the field of, er....research up light years. :^) Joe-tried the same thing once on a dead hog at the King Ranch-Mattingly 9 |
From: Tk Date: 13-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostJeffy, this may make a dangerous backstop. No kidding, the average return length from the cow was 3 feet. I did have one bounce up INTO a bush about 5 ft from the carcass. I had to sit and look at that a moment... BTW, if anyone tries this, remember: you can push a buzzard too far. When they start landing next to you while you are shooting, it is time to leave them to their meal and find a stump. TK 10 |
From: joe vt Date: 13-Sep-99 For some reason my leftover hamburger this afternoon tasted different. ( I think it was bloated ) Man, shooting a dead cow!!! I'm jealous. 8>) Hey TK, you forgot to mention which stalking method you used? or were you in a tree? I love this site!! 11 |
From: Al Snow Date: 13-Sep-99 TK, sounds like your medication is wearing off. Better take another pill, partner! :-) I'm going to get my wife to calligraphy that "can't kill a dead cow with field points" quote so I can hang it on my wall at work. Also the "you can push a buzzard too far" quote. This is too much! 12 |
From: The Ferret Date: 13-Sep-99 Hey guys, those lines aren't original..I heard them in a Willie Nelson song once...8~) 13 |
From: Les in Israel Date: 13-Sep-99 It may have been providencial that the field point did not poke a hole in that cow. You ever see what comes squirtin' out of a bloated putrid carcase? You would have been direclty in line to recieve it - and hopefully you don't shoot with your mouth open. I have a friend that had a horse die mysteriously. It was laying there with legs in the air and bloating up in the hot sun. He and his brother decided to use it for a trampoline. It worked great for a few bounces. Then it exploded. They were covered in aromatic juices that inhabit a bloated carcase. They ran urping and puking all the way home. 14 |
From: --sticker----------> Date: 13-Sep-99 if a cow had wheels it would be a milk truck, not Tk's cow though, you might have a broke down milk truck in that case. lol les, you forgot to mention that you also was jumping on the trampohorse. you just didnt want to admit it huh. 15 |
From: Stick413 Date: 13-Sep-99 TRAMP-O-HORSE LOL 16 |
From: Stick Boy Date: 13-Sep-99 Darn it, get some carbons, aluminum, as well as your cedars together with the same type point and test fire into that thing. Settle the momentum vs energy thing with a realistic target. Oznog 17 |
From: elkjunkie Date: 13-Sep-99 Worked on a farm in the Summers in my college days. It had been 100+ for a month. We would jump in the truck and head for the river to cool of before dinner. Somene hit a cow on the road. We drove buy it for week until it looked like it was going to blow. This finally got the best of a Greg. He had me stop the truck. He gets out his knife I drive off. He goes over and sticks the cow right in the gut. She blows all over him. He is trowing up all over the place. We make him walk the rest of the way to the river abut 3 miles green as a ghost. Later I asked him why? He said he just wondered what would happen. 18 |
From: Rusty Date: 13-Sep-99 300 mg lithium carbonate tid, resperidol 1mg qd,,,and get some danged maple shafts and some 160 gr grizzly's and a 75# H Hill. They will kill a dead cow. Hey and TK while your not doing anything run out there and get me the sinew will ya? Hey thanks man. BTW go ahead and wash it off. Rusty 19 |
From: SmittyQ Date: 13-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostI think this needs recorded on video especially when when she "blows". Could save the rest of us having to run the same experiment. 20 |
From: Mike-OK Date: 13-Sep-99 Man, I had the same idea this last week. I was Elk hunting in the mountains when I found a dead steer. I took the ear tag number and told the owner the next day. I asked him what he would do with the steer. He said he would leave it for the varmits. Well a light bulb came on, and this doesn't happen often. I thought, penetration tests with Osage self bow and new Zwickey 135 grn Delta heads. Well the other guys took off, URPING and Green. I just couldn't figure out how to get the errers out after shooting them. Decided against the whole thing. Man, I could have been a famous researcher like TK. What a laugh. Great thread. Did shoot a week old dead bull with a twelve gauge shotgun. Man what a mess. Should have been up wind. Later Mike 21 |
From: Tal Dunn Date: 13-Sep-99 Well TK I guess your arrows had a case of Hide and not go Seek!!! or is it.... Hide and don't leak ? 22 |
From: JRB Date: 13-Sep-99 This is more like it, and the reason I come hear every day. I love when you guys share the results of your controlled scientific experiments so freely. I asked a buddy last season if he would let me try out my ribteks on a doe he brought back to camp, but his reluctance was so apparent I didn't pursue it any further. Some people just don't have scientific minds! TK maybe if you wait another day or two the field points will kill the cow. I've spent much of my life beating dead horses. JRB 23 |
From: Bloodhound Date: 13-Sep-99 It is obviously time for deer season to get here... I read this post and have to admire folks for their "research" in order to better this great sport of ours. James Young 24 |
From: Jody Date: 13-Sep-99 Man, you just can't shoot through fine leather. 25 |
From: DJ Boone Date: 14-Sep-99 HHHOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLL.......... what a hoot.. :=) 26 |
From: RCXX75 Date: 14-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostTK, How far did you have to trail the dead cow? 27 |
From: Lost Hawg Date: 14-Sep-99 Buzzard's fine dining. Today's special, Shish-k-bob. If we can get the stick through the sorry thing! LH 28 |
From: snydley Date: 14-Sep-99 Tk better go back after the gas clears and find that broadhead lets see if that was your cow field you got others walking and laying in that area hate to have one find it never mind sombodies foot. 29 |
From: greenwood archer Date: 14-Sep-99 I love to cow hunt. As I drive home I see them in the field, and I know that nature is calling me to the hunt. I step out of my car, grab my bow, and begin the stalk. There's a special thrill in stalking up on the cow as it grazes in the field and shooting it with my selfbow. It's quite a rush, I suggest you try it. One must be careful because the most dangerous thing in the world is a charging Bovine! 30 |
From: HH Date: 14-Sep-99 I am a professional cow-tipper. Dont underestimate the usefulness of proper scientific field research. Shoot, those cows can be unpredictable. One minute, you cant even get a field point to pierce the hide, the next minute you can just slip up while theyre sleepin and tip em over with just one finger, HH (HugeHeifer) 31 |
From: Ludite Date: 14-Sep-99 Some years ago, flintknapper, Errett Callahan and Smithsonian anthropologist Dennis Stanford got together with some colleagues and started doing some penetration experiments on a dead elephant. They were using stone points thrown from an atlatl. They also did some butchering experiments using flaked bone tools. It was all pretty cool and scientific. Callahan said that he still has 100lbs of elephant meat in his freezer! I'd appreciate hearing from anyone with any information about the "Ginsburg Experience." 32 |
From: BugBear Date: 14-Sep-99 What range did you shoot the dead cow from? Inquiring minds want to know if this was an ethical shot. BugBear 33 |
From: Hawkeye Date: 14-Sep-99 TK, Just want you to know that if you decide to continue this string of experiments, you can get acclimated to the... err... conditions to the point that they won't bother you much. When I was in high school, I got up at 4:30 AM to work a summer job at the local stockyards (just like kids today, you know?). When an animal succumbed or was brought in having already assumed ambient temperature, it was put in the "Dead House". Every day or two, about noon, a squalid, stinking truck with a winch would pull up to the "House". Two squalid, stinking guys would get out and survey the "take" for the day. Then before loading up their prizes, they would grab their squalid, stinking lunch pails, and eat their dinner SITTING ON TOP OF A BLOATED, REEKING CARCASS. Honest. That was 25 years ago, and the memory still brings my lunch to my throat! SO... ignore what your mind, sensibilities, and cultural training are telling you, and test away! I'll be anxiously awaiting the results! Still swallowing deeply, Hawkeye 34 |
From: arrowman Date: 14-Sep-99 What the heck is wrong with you fellows !!!!!! Don't you know Judo points work best for a bad case of the bloat !!!!!!!! Broadheads and field points want give you near as much BANG for you buck or should I say BLOAT. :-) :-) :-) arrowman >>>>>=======>>> Troy D. Breeding 35 |
From: TK Date: 14-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostSnydley, I figure sometime this winter I'll go back for the bh. It wont go too far. I was about 15 yards away. Maybe if I was 30 I could have gotten it to go in? BugBear, buzzards will start on the softest part of the animal first, and there is NOTHING that I could have done to her with a bow that could have rivaled the ethical insults received at the hands of the Flying Janitors. Puts humility in a whole new perspective... Greenwood Archer, are you kidding about stalking caws? 'Cause I really do that. No kidding. Never shoot them, but I do try to nail the grass in front of their noses. 36 |
From: Jeffy Date: 14-Sep-99 More Bad Haiku: Flaming tipped arrah Stalk the big inflated cow Bovine goes big whoosh! I cannot believe that I am in this thread.Seriously, TK, thank you for your research. 37 |
From: buckfeverjim Date: 14-Sep-99 Forget the charing bovine, watch out for the angry farmer with the shotgun! 38 |
From: TK Date: 14-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostAmen brother. That is the reason that I asked Greenwood the question. At least these are OUR cows. I think I would probably dust someone that I found doing that to ours; I have no way of knowing what they are up to. Besides, I reserve the right to make my cows all snorty (which they aren't, Thank God). Dead men dont fling arrows. 39 |
From: Jeffy Date: 14-Sep-99 In the Haiku, I was not advocating stalking another's bovine. Just wanted to make that perfectly clear. 40 |
From: TennBow Date: 14-Sep-99 This one will no doubt go down in LW history. Unfortunately it will probably come up just as quickly as most folk's lunch:) he he he TB 41 |
From: paul bh Date: 14-Sep-99 I've hunted a lot of cows, but never got anything bigger than a spike horn. Good thing I'm not a trophy hunter. 42 |
From: TK Date: 14-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostYour cow had apparently reached critical mass. Would have been nice had you help her release some gas. 43 |
From: Paul Date: 14-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostYour cow had apparently reached critical mass. Would have been nice had you help her release some gas. 44 |
From: Paul Date: 14-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostYour cow had apparently reached critical mass. Would have been nice had you help her release some gas. 45 |
From: Paul > TK Date: 14-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered Postsorry TK...meant to put my name in a message addressed to you > ... in my first message. forgot ... sorry. 46 |
From: greenwood archer Date: 14-Sep-99 Hey, I was joking. Never hunted a cow but I can hear them laughing at me.....laughing...laughing...laughing. Sorry, too much sugar in my diet today. 47 |
From: --sticker----------> Date: 14-Sep-99 a dead cow cant feel pain but you know the anti's will probly still get on to us about this, they will say its unethical. 48 |
From: M.E.B. Date: 15-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostI know a guy that shot a "dead" cow and it said MOOOOOO!!!! It got up and ran a few yards and fell dead. Rancher was not impressed. 49 |
From: Lost Hawg Date: 15-Sep-99 Slow Elk? LH 50 |
From: Lost Hawg Date: 15-Sep-99 Extremely Slow Elk! LH 51 |
From: TK ------> Sticker Date: 15-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostI was wondering how long it would take for someone to reach that conclusion. Here is my opinion: First, they are too busy saying that Jesus was a vegetarian. Second, if all they have to worry about is a dead cow, we are truly in good shape. Whats more, they can have to smelly damned thing - I just want the horns and hooves to make knock reinforcements on some future bows. Third, I really dont give a rats sphintcer what they say, it is MY cow. If I want to cut it up and serve it on a plate, it is my perrogative. FOURTH - I guess they should also protest the buzzards and coyotes; it is just not fair what those folks did to her. Even I am somewhat embarrased for her. (Note, this is meant to be lighthearted - with a bit of common sense thrown in). MEB - This cow was "D E Double D" dedd. I made sure of that. So did the avians. As a matter of fact, I was hoping she was calving, but it was not to be. TK 52 |
From: George Date: 16-Sep-99 TK, its just this level of hi-tech experimation that keeps me comming back to this site. why, if it wasn't for folks like you, folks like us would have to depend on the jugheads spouting things like "kenetik energy" and "foot pounds" and such gibberish to tell us if our arrows are ok. all we really need, i know now , is a dead cow! I truely think that you have vaulted our sport past all those guys with the wheel bows. ever heard one of them talking about huntin a dead cow? NO! and if they ever did, i bet they never caught one anyway. and i doubt they could never deal with the buzzarde anyhow. thanks for all the insite to this teknical sport.,,,,,,,george BTW, i have to agree, you should stik to your prescribed medication. 53 |
From: tthomas Date: 16-Sep-99Pre-L2 Unregistered PostWhat you should have done is put a balloon in the cow's mouth. Then when you shot the cow the arrow would push a certain volume of gas out of her mouth. Keep doing it and each time ya hit her then run up and seal off the balloon. If in ya have a buddy have him shoot her and you seal off the ballon. The volume test is the only real accurate test IMHO for the DEAD COW TEST to test on penetration. Up here in Canada our cows have thicker hair so the other way to test penetration is to shave a little of their hair to resemble a deer. The ballon test is more accurate and maybe you don't have a razor but if you look around, maybe in your wallet, you might have a ballon. Also you must make sure your field points are matched and another point is to weigh and reweigh your arrows so that one arrow doesn't have more mass. This throws out the accuracy of the test. Also make sure your nocks are turned just slightly off the grain, again for more accurate results. Straight arrows to you 54 |
From: Dolan Date: 16-Sep-99 Way too funny Folks, order your T-shirts here: $15 Choose: ____ "...you cannot kill a dead cow with field points" ____ "you can push a buzzard too far" ____ "Dead men don't fling arrows" Push me and I'll do it. 55 |
From: paul caruso Date: 16-Sep-99 we need the YOu can push a buzzard to far t shirt 56 |
From: JimB Date: 16-Sep-99 To arrow is human to forgive bovine. 57 |
From: Drawknife Date: 16-Sep-99 My wife wants to know why it took sixty shots to reach your conclusion? Did your arm get tired or the cow? 58 |
From: greenwood archer Date: 16-Sep-99 The cows!!!!! Can't you hear them laughing?? 59 |
From: George Date: 16-Sep-99 Dolan, sign me up for one of each. hhere do i send the money?? George 60 |
From: --sticker----------> Date: 17-Sep-99 hey since i'm a part of this bowsite... i demand 99% of the profit from the shirts you sell. and on the back of the shirt you have to put ROTFLMAO!!!! oh, i get the other 1% now for the rotflmao idea. 61 |
From: Ron Hicks Date: 12-Apr-00 ttt 62 |
From: Africanbowhunter Date: 12-Apr-00 Many years ago someone did a dead cow test like you and left an arrow or broadhead in the dead steer Later the rancher found the dead cow with the hunting arrow and we archers and bowhunters got blamed and the story spead all over the country about bowjhunters shooting cattle. I hope you go back ther and get your arrow or broadhead. Please dont encourace people with the stinks etc most guys will leave the arrows there and then we get blamed. Not too smart...... African Bowhunter 63 |
From: Blackwidow Date: 13-Apr-00 ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is classic! Still LMAO-Bryan 64 |
From: Blackwidow Date: 13-Apr-00 I am still ROTFLMAO! My wife thinks I am nuts I guess I needed a good laugh8^) TK no doubt about it you are hard core! Cya-Bryan 65 |
From: flntknp17 Date: 13-Apr-00 I still believe that this is THE funniest thread ever on the LW! Seriously, who cannot read a line like the ones about "her legs getting airborn" or a bloated cow "blowing up" and not laugh out loud? I hope I am not the only one! Some how I doubt it. This is the sort of thread I worry about animal rights wackos seeing though. Oh well, I am glad it was revived, it did make my evening! flntknp17 66 |
From: Mark, WPG Date: 13-Apr-00Pre-L2 Unregistered PostROTFLMAO! 67 |
From: Mark, WPG Date: 13-Apr-00Pre-L2 Unregistered PostMaybe the antis won't be so vocal once they realize the quality of animal research that is being done right here on the LW. 68 |
From: Dances with Dingoes Date: 13-Apr-00 Sounds like, what we in the industry refer to, as a bovine bounceout!...:-) 69 |
From: Ron Hicks Date: 13-Apr-00 Ever find an old dead cow thats been there a good while and you want some good fast pace shooten, go give it a good kick in the ribs and get ready for action. Possums,Coons will get inside and have a buuffet. 70 |
From: Clint in MO Date: 13-Apr-00 I was walking to my treestand in the dark one time and tripped over a dead horse. Clint B. 71 |
From: elmer Date: 13-Apr-00Pre-L2 Unregistered Postsomefing velly, velly smellwee wound heea 72 |
From: Flatbow Date: 13-Apr-00 If we wanna get back to scientific on this... I offer these 3 scenarios. A: It takes more energy to force the small frontal area of the point through the hide than it does a cutting surface like a BH. The field point probably didn't penetrate because the hide now had a gaseous cushion behind it and had some "give" to it and absorbed the energy. Slow motion video would prove this out. Let the hide deteriorate from the inside for a while longer and the arrow will probably penetrate. B: This was just one tough cow. C: It realized from the broadhead that it was under attack and switched it deflector shields to full power. -Tom 73 |
From: Jagr Date: 13-Apr-00 This is the first thread that ever made me laugh out loud, now my wife is wondering what the heck I'm doing down in the basement. 74 |
From: DRT Date: 13-Apr-00Pre-L2 Unregistered PostHow about setting up a bloated carcass at the MOJAM and have a contest taking turns to see who can pop it. Every one has to use the same arrow. All the shooters who have allready shot need to stand about 5 yards to each side of it while the next shooter shoots. Kinda like a big Pinata but everyone runs away from it when it burst open. My money is on Tim Baker. Darren 75 |