Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


ILF Limbs

Messages posted to thread:
Grampus* 22-Mar-24
Stick Hippie 22-Mar-24
Phil Magistro 22-Mar-24
B.T. 22-Mar-24
John Sullins 22-Mar-24
deerhunt51 23-Mar-24
Vaquero 45 23-Mar-24
DanaC 23-Mar-24
Draven 23-Mar-24
fdp 23-Mar-24
GUTPILEPA 23-Mar-24
B.T. 23-Mar-24
deerhunt51 23-Mar-24
Beendare 23-Mar-24
sheepdogreno 24-Mar-24
Chairman 24-Mar-24
Rooty 24-Mar-24
Southpaw 24-Mar-24
From: Grampus*
Date: 22-Mar-24




There is a large number of ILF limbs now available from different sources at different price levels.

Does price correlate to performance? Is there a source or reference comparing and rating ILF limbs?

From: Stick Hippie
Date: 22-Mar-24




I don’t have a ton of experience with ILF limbs but I’ve used the Satori clone limbs, Hoyt limbs and now Uukhas. The Hoyts and Uukhas are similar in price but the Uukha Gobi limbs are by far the smoothest limbs I’ve shot on any bow, ILF or otherwise. They’re also quick and have a great warranty

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 22-Mar-24




Grampus, Here is a compilation of two posts I wrote about this on another forum. The Nika N3s are $280. All the others are between $130 and $215.

"I’ve spent a lot of money trying to find the balance between smoothness, performance, quietness and cost. What I’m slowly coming to realize is that I’ve been splitting hairs in my search. It’s quite likely that even the most basic limbs will perform the same or better than limbs I shot for decades on Bear, Howard, Shakespeare and other production or custom bows.

We can weigh limbs and examine the construction but it’s apparent to me that a good fiberglass and wood limb can still be a great limb for hunting. So while I’ve tried to justify having no glass as “better” the data I’ve accumulated doesn’t support that for me. I do find that limbs with fiberglass are typically quiet limbs. Toss in a lam of UD carbon and it adds torsional stability.

Is fiberglass or the lack of it that important? For hunting limbs probably not. Limb design is likely the most important."

"There are many good limbs available at a wide range of prices. At this point in my life, being retired, I’m not shooting Winex, Uukhas or super curves primarily because of the cost. I focus on limbs that are, with the exception of Nika N3s, from $105-$200. And what I’ve found could have saved me a lot of money over the years.

I currently own seven sets of limbs and the fastest I have now are Nika N3s. But they are only a few fps faster than most others I have. The slowest limbs I have are Nika C2s, by a surprisingly large margin. The other five sets of limbs are all within 2 fps for average speed and only a few fps slower than the N3s. As set up on my risers the limbs are all between 40 and 41.5# draw weight .

The best value limb for performance that I have is Sanlida Athletic X7, or the current model Miracle X10. They shoot the same or faster than my other limbs that are set up to four pounds heavier. They are very smooth but on most risers they are a bit noisy. I finally found them to be quiet on one riser I own.

Speed aside the other major difference in my limbs is smoothness of draw and limb reaction after the shot. They are all smooth but one, the Nika N3s, are a different smooth. As I draw the limbs become just buttery smooth. The only downside to me for the N3s is that they require me to be very consistent or I shoot a flyer. Unfortunately I’m not always consistent.

A quick summary of how I feel about my other limbs – My favorite limbs are Samick R1. Maybe I just got a good set but they are smooth, quiet and shoot a 10gpp arrow at 172 from my bow. They aren’t too heavy and, to me, they totally outperform their cost for what I need in a hunting limb.

Kinetic Finity limbs are a pleasure to shoot. Maybe it’s the design, thin and lightweight, the bamboo or the cross carbon but they pull smoothly and shoot 173 with an arrow just over 10gpp. They are dead quiet but I do have them on a DAS riser which are my quietest with most limbs.

Kinetic Athlos are smooth shooters but I expected a bit better performance. They are also thin and lightweight, have a maple core and cross carbon pull smoothly and are quiet on release but shoot a couple fps slower than the R1 limbs.

Galaxy Black Star limbs are carbon and bamboo. Their draw is as smooth as any limb except the N3s. They shoot just a bit faster than the Finity limbs but, on some risers have an annoying buzz after release. I haven’t been able to figure out the cause, but I’ll play with brace height and string material on several risers to see what it could be.

Nika C2 really surprised me. They are bigger and heavier than my other limbs but are so smooth and quiet. When I shot them over my chronograph they came in about 10 fps slower than the N3s and 6-7 fps slower than my other limbs. I shot them three different times throughout the day just to see if I made an error. Still they are a good hunting limb and the arrow goes where I want it to consistently."

From: B.T.
Date: 22-Mar-24




Like many things, you will pay a disproportionate price for small gains at the high end.

From: John Sullins
Date: 22-Mar-24




If shooting long distances, such as Olympics distances, performance could be a lot more important. But for 3D courses and hunting shot distances, not so important. I have a set of limbs costing about $900 and a set costing about $100. I shoot the same 3D scores with both. In my opinion the performance makes almost no difference, it is all about the shooter.

From: deerhunt51
Date: 23-Mar-24




2X what John Sulins posted. I like the Trad Tech $169 limbs. I also own $900 ILF limbs, and yes maybe 4 fps difference, but I shoot the same scores as well.

From: Vaquero 45
Date: 23-Mar-24




As the song says " money for nothing and the Chicks for free " . For my hunting needs , I use higher end ilf risers and lower middle of the road cost wise limbs . The N3'Nika's (own two sets) 44/48#. A set of Salinda Blackstones 45#62" . The Blackstones I purchased when they were way less priced as nowadays . Nowadays the Blackstones are like 18 dollars cheaper than a set of N3's , so compareing the two ones just better off buying the N3's .

For the cost its hard too beat the r1/r3's or the W&W Black Elks both really good limbs . Lots of some of the other brands mentioned on this thread here I have yet to try . A set of ILF limbs I have always wanted to try are The Kaiser Pena limbs inspired by the distinctive and romantic hilltop Pena Palace in Portugal. There Fiber / Wood construction . I doubt there made in Portugal . On this side of the pond one never heres much about them . Nowadays there like $380 , not too long ago they were way cheaper . https://www.alternativess.com/cgi- bin/htmlos.cgi/0034185.2.60829380807235780141/KAIPENL

I have said it before gents be patient n do some research before ordering your ilf limbs and with certain limbs one can save a good chunk of $ and avoid a sore butt when the smoke clears .

Also with money saved no need too skimp on strings and that can be put forth to higher end strings and materials .

One last thought its apparent the N3" Pro's @ 500/600 beans have not taken off like the N3 Progress limbs we been discussing @ 280 beans . When we say N3 we kinda all know we are referring to the N3 Progress model . However there are also the slow off the blocks selling N3 'Pros' .

From: DanaC
Date: 23-Mar-24




My best limbs are an older set of Morrisons (Max-1, which I believe were made by Border). I've chrono'd them at 179 to 180.

Back when new those limbs would've gone about $600. (I bought them 'gently used'.)

I was still working back then, and had a bit more money to spare. Today I'd be looking at sub- $300. More than enough for 30 yards and under.

From: Draven
Date: 23-Mar-24




There is a time when the shooter can be helped by a quality limb, even at inside 30m game. The difference in price is not always about raw data or extra fps, it is about what they can bring you as advantage. Having capable to shoot heavy arrows while getting one single gap from 10m to 30m using a heavy (by some standards in here) Borders was the combo riser-limbs-arrow I was looking for. I wouldn't think how much money I have to pay for the 10 fps difference between a $100 and a $1000 just because it is nothing but the tip of the iceberg.

From: fdp
Date: 23-Mar-24




There are soon many choices. And the vast majority of them are more than capable of performing better than I can shoot them.

From: GUTPILEPA
Date: 23-Mar-24




X3 what John Sullins said

From: B.T.
Date: 23-Mar-24




John Sullins is crystal clear on this one, agreed.

From: deerhunt51
Date: 23-Mar-24




A good shooter with $200 limbs will outshoot an average shooter with $900 limbs every time.

From: Beendare
Date: 23-Mar-24




I have shot a pile of different ILF limbs, my take;

Allof the name brand limbs are darn good…and many $200 limbs outperform custom bows costing a heck of a lot more.

Typically, once you get over about $200 limbs, the extra cost only gets you a tiny incremental improvement. The WW Innos are not 3x the WNS C3’s at $150…a little faster and smoother for sure but it costs you.

Its pretty much the same across manufacturers. To be clear, some of those top limbs are amazing….smoother faster…but the6 won’t add a b7nch of points to your score…or kill critters any deader.

Best bang for the buck; Nikas are all right, WNS C5 or C3 at about $150, Uukha Gobis $300 very good

Check Alt Services, good outfit.

From: sheepdogreno
Date: 24-Mar-24




I’ve dabbled a lot in ilf not as much as some here but in my hunt for the best all around limb for me is the nika n3’s. I have a couple sets they are smooth quiet and quick. I prefer the draw cycle over the gobis. We all have different preferences when it comes to the “feel” of a draw. Nikas draw smooth and don’t stack at my longer draw.

Das bamboo core limbs are great for the price. Smooth and quiet

I recently got some wns explorer bamboo core limbs for $99 at Lancaster. Thicker heavier and louder? Yes yes yes but are very smooth and performance doesn’t appear to be bad

From: Chairman
Date: 24-Mar-24




My experience is that the biggest difference is quietness. I have had some limbs that were annoying in sound and difficult to quiet. Others very quiet. If hunting is the goal then there is a big difference. For strictly target not so much.

From: Rooty
Date: 24-Mar-24




Phil I agree mostly. I have a good selection of limbs and many the same as yours. I now shoot Moac limbs I prefer the draw cycle and the performance. It's a toss up on value now my quest could be over. One exceptional rig vs several good rigs. You don't know until you try for yourself.

From: Southpaw
Date: 24-Mar-24




https://www.tradtalk.com/threads/performance-testing-uukha-sx50-border-hex-6-nika- n3-and-nika-c2-results-new-results-added-in-post-61.150891/page-4#post-1632137

Gil V recently has been doing some research on this matter - here are some of his results on TT.





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