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Keeping bugs out of Staves

Messages posted to thread:
Burnsie 08-Aug-23
4nolz@work 08-Aug-23
msinc 08-Aug-23
Burnsie 08-Aug-23
buster v davenport 08-Aug-23
Okaw 08-Aug-23
bentstick54 08-Aug-23
Altitude Sickness 09-Aug-23
Eric Krewson 09-Aug-23
Eric Krewson 09-Aug-23
Burnsie 09-Aug-23
Jim Davis 09-Aug-23
Eric Krewson 09-Aug-23
Jim Davis 09-Aug-23
Burnsie 09-Aug-23
Jeff Durnell 10-Aug-23
From: Burnsie
Date: 08-Aug-23

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What's best to use on staves to keep out the wood borers? How about if the staves already have bugs in them? I picked up some decent logs, but they had been laying on the ground for some time and the side of the log that was on the ground was pretty peppered with bug holes. After splitting the log into staves I sprayed the bark and the open faces of the inside with the stuff in the picture below. Not sure it's working, I had the staves laying out across some sawhorses with the bark facing down and the next day there were a number of small piles of yellow sawdust under them. I found the corresponding holes in the stave and sprayed directly into them - I'm giving it a few days to see how things are working.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 08-Aug-23




I'd debark one to see if it's worth it,that stuff should work.What kind of wood?

From: msinc
Date: 08-Aug-23




That stuff works pretty good. The best is called "TimBor". Both are liquid and you just spray the wood to be treated. Either will positively stop termites and other wood boring bugs. Don't forget to treat the ground under the area where you store the staves too. The more you can soak into the ground {that is if you are keeping them outside} the better. Not a bad idea to spray it on the floor if you want maximum protection and are keeping them inside, like on concrete in a storage area or shop.

From: Burnsie
Date: 08-Aug-23




The wood is Osage.

From: buster v davenport
Date: 08-Aug-23




You could try smoking them out if the bug spray don't handle it. bvd

From: Okaw
Date: 08-Aug-23




Some types of wood bugs don’t like osage heart wood; just the sapwood.

From: bentstick54
Date: 08-Aug-23




The only way that I have found once the borers are burrowing into the wood is to either debark and remove wood below them and then seal the staves, or if the tunnels aren’t to long poke a fine wire into them and jab it around to kill the borer. The insecticide will work great if the bark is saturated pretty well before the larvae hatch.

From: Altitude Sickness
Date: 09-Aug-23




https://drtoddshupe.com/insect-problems-with-kiln-dried-lumber/

A kiln is the most effective way. The temp must reach 130-140 throughout the stave. So the thicker the longer. The larvae is what spray sometimes doesn’t kill.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 09-Aug-23

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You can have wood wasp larva or powder post beetles, the wood wasp larva doesn't generally go much past the sap wood and the top heartwood rings, the powder post beetles go in the top and out the bottom and will turn a good stave into toast.

If you have pin hole sized bug holes you have powder post beetles, that is no cure for them after they get in the wood but heat.

I once had powder post beetles in my floor joist after leaving an infected osage stave in my basement. I requested Bora Care but they sprayed Timbor first. All it is borax suspended in water and just sits on the surface. Bora care has penetrating agent to soak into the wood. I had paid for the more expensive Bora Care and made them re-do the job. The Timbor made a mess, it was like putting a sugar coating over everything.

Here is a piece of firewood I split that was infested with powder post beetles, you can see the extent of their damage.

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 09-Aug-23

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I killed the powder post beetles that were in the billet that I stored in my basement, I used a propane torch and roasted each hole, no more beetles.

This billet is the one in the middle of my collection of billets, it is the one with charred round spots on it. I made a bow out of this wood, I caught the beetles early as soon as I saw the dust falling out of the billet, they didn't go very far into the wood.

From: Burnsie
Date: 09-Aug-23




Thanks guys The holes in mine are about the diameter of a pencil, maybe slightly smaller - I found a few of the critters - they were a waxxy white/yellow looking grub.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 09-Aug-23

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I have sprayed freshly cut staves and billets with sevin and had no larva damage. Wonder if that would keep the carpenter bees out of my lumber....

From: Eric Krewson
Date: 09-Aug-23




You have wood wasp larva Burnsie, destructive but not always fatal to a stave.

From: Jim Davis
Date: 09-Aug-23




Didn't intend to post a picture, especially not one that doesn't illustrate the issue...

From: Burnsie
Date: 09-Aug-23




Thanks Eric - I took the draw knife to one of the staves tonight. I stripped off the bark and most of the sap wood and the majority of the bug tunnels were gone. Any remaining stuff should be gone when I go down to a ring, they don't appear to be much deeper.

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 10-Aug-23




Yeah those wood wasp larvae don't like the heartwood and 'usually' don't go down into it very far. Hopefully you can make use of all the logs you picked up.





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