Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


It’s a shame!, IMO

Messages posted to thread:
Irish Archer 28-May-23
JamesV 28-May-23
fdp 28-May-23
Murph 28-May-23
Corax_latrans 28-May-23
reddogge 28-May-23
4nolz@work 28-May-23
bowhunt 29-May-23
Jimmyjumpup 29-May-23
bugsy 49 29-May-23
Red Beastmaster 29-May-23
MCNSC 29-May-23
Dan In MI 29-May-23
Brad Lehmann 29-May-23
Longcruise 29-May-23
Buglmin 29-May-23
Andy Man 29-May-23
Corax_latrans 29-May-23
Krag 29-May-23
joep003 29-May-23
M60gunner 29-May-23
joep003 29-May-23
Bob Rowlands 29-May-23
Randog 29-May-23
Gary Savaloja 29-May-23
MStyles 29-May-23
Jimmyjumpup 30-May-23
Irish Archer 30-May-23
instarcher 30-May-23
aromakr 30-May-23
Tarpon120 30-May-23
buster v davenport 30-May-23
fdp 30-May-23
Irish Archer 30-May-23
From: Irish Archer
Date: 28-May-23




I love stickbows, of all sorts. Don’t misunderstand, I have my favorites, but I love them all. Been shooting sticks for decades, but not shooting so much in the last 10yrs, honestly. Still looking, reading, and lusting, EVERYDAY. Very mediocre shooter, at best.

Many years ago, I installed quiver inserts into a bow that was a very nice example of its manufacturer, and I did what I believe was a pretty darn good job that made me proud, at least.

But for the life of me, I don’t know what ever possessed an individual to put wood screws into the riser and/or limbs of a stickbow is beyond me. It kills me to see such a sight. There have been other mounting methods for decades.

What’cha think’n?

From: JamesV
Date: 28-May-23




I bought a very nice recurve on line that had wood screws in the riser. I was able to put inserts where the holes were and now still have that bow and shoot it from tine to tine.

James

From: fdp
Date: 28-May-23




I think it wasn't my bow so it was none of my business. I don't like what so.e people do to their vehicles either but they don't belong to me so it's none of my business.

Not everybody develops an emotional attachment to a bow.

From: Murph
Date: 28-May-23




Everybody has a different idea.

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 28-May-23




JMO… If you did a respectable job with the inserts, you should stop beating yourself up.

It’s not as if you took a Sharpie to the Mona Lisa. Bows are made to be shot and hunted with, and inserts are a very effective way to mount a quiver.

From: reddogge
Date: 28-May-23




I don't see much difference in wood screws or quiver inserts.

From: 4nolz@work
Date: 28-May-23




It's just a tool to some

From: bowhunt
Date: 29-May-23




Sure thier are other mounting options.Quiver inserts may work better for some bows and are an appropriate option.Three piece bows seem to be better for them

But most could use another option without the inserts.Use what you like on the bow you have and what you prefer.

Typically I would prefer no inserts on most bows to keep the riser clean.Not a big deal though overall.

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 29-May-23




Yep. Whatever you need to carry arrows

From: bugsy 49
Date: 29-May-23




Never bothered me a bit. Still doesn't. Guys set their bows up to suit their needs as an archer back in the day. Sights, quiver, plunger buttons, etc. Today you buy a Samick Sage it's all their. Were would the world be with out screws.

From: Red Beastmaster
Date: 29-May-23




I've said this in many situations......Get over it and move on.

From: MCNSC
Date: 29-May-23




Back then I imagine it would have been a pain to locate inserts, no internet. then you need the correct size drill and preferably a drill press to install them. Most folks have a few screws laying around. I ordered inserts and installed them in my BW cause I like bolt on quivers . and even though it’s my favorite bow at the end of the day it’s just a tool.

From: Dan In MI
Date: 29-May-23




Kwikee Kwivers used to come with 10-24 screws AND wood screws. So I'd say it isn't hat far fetched for a guy to use what came with quiver for installation.

From: Brad Lehmann
Date: 29-May-23




I am convinced that guys back in the sixties would buy a brand new bow and take it home and drill a few holes for accessories within a week. It must have been peer group pressure or something. Keep in mind that most bows didn't not come with factory installed quiver bushings or even a front bushing for a stabilized or fishing reel.

From: Longcruise
Date: 29-May-23




I have picked up several vintage bows that had accessories screwed on. Not my cup of tea so I filled with epoxy and that was that. No harm done to the bow.

From: Buglmin
Date: 29-May-23




You have to understand, that in the 70's and mid 80's, getting bushings wasn't as easy as it is now. In the 70's, some stuff wasn't available like it is now. You don't understand how easy it is today to get the equipment you want in 3 days.

From: Andy Man
Date: 29-May-23




It’s like putting chrome moons on a Mercedes

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 29-May-23




“It’s like putting chrome moons on a Mercedes”

Exactly the opposite, hub caps are entirely decorative with no useful purpose.

Quiver inserts are a perfectly good solution; wood screws are more of a brute force approach, but apart from sights, I’ve never seen a screw in a higher end bow. Funny, though, how many people act as if it’s an absolute tragedy that someone would ever “violate” a $50 hunting weapon by increasing the functionality of it….

From: Krag
Date: 29-May-23

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This was a 29.00 bow in 1973. Back then I shot with dominant eye closed and didn't know any better. Eventually mounted a sight along with a Kwikee Kwiver. Now shooting instinctive both eyes open. Holes healed but the scars will be there forever...no big deal.

From: joep003
Date: 29-May-23




Yep, we did it all the time in the 70s & 80s, and, no, it didn't bother us. There was no other option to mount a safe broadhead quiver besides the Kwikee, the Wiffen and one other with a square broadhead cover whose name I can't remember (and, later, the Sagittarius), and the Kwikee was the best of them. The Bear snap on was always a rattle trap and didn't fit most bows well, and I never saw a Pearson slip on in person and it looked big and bulky. The only other slip on option was that two piece, rubber, non- broadhead covered death trap quiver, but once you cut yourself or something else using it you never used it again. When the Kwikee was introduced, we thought it was a godsend. The bow was a tool and we looked at the bow with the installed quiver as a complete unit. p.s. Even if we wanted to install the inserts, they weren't readily available and we didn't have the time or patience to install them.

From: M60gunner
Date: 29-May-23




I had my Bear SK drilled for a sight and cushion plunger. Usually a guy had only one bow and like where I lived deer weren’t running around our neighborhood like these days. So we did what was necessary to insure when we got that shot it counted. I knew one guy who got a new Jack Howard bow every year, (big shot at GM), first thing he did was break out the spray can and camo the bow. Different times, different mindset.

From: joep003
Date: 29-May-23




p.s. NO ONE even had a drill press or a way to square up the bow to make sure insert holes were drilled square, and we didn't think the inserts were as strong/secure as the wood screws. Plus, we usually mounted them just before deer season, so we were always pressed for time.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 29-May-23




Kinda on and off topic. I'd never run screws or do ANYTHING to jack up an osage selfbow. That would be like putting a scope on a handgun, or shooting it in a Ransom rest, "to find the most accurate load." lol All other lam bows, anything goes.

From: Randog
Date: 29-May-23




Wouldn't stop me from buying one but I'd rather have one without holes in it. I've seen some real butcher jobs.

From: Gary Savaloja
Date: 29-May-23




I’m thinking, I don’t really care what someone else thinks about what I do with my bows. Maybe on some other serious things, but bows are not life or death issues.

Like you, I have done some things to bows that I may have regrets about, but live and learn.

Bottom line it’s your bow do what you want with it.

From: MStyles
Date: 29-May-23




To each his own. Whatever floats your boat.

From: Jimmyjumpup Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 30-May-23




I had a buddy that carried his arrows in his hand to his treestand back in the 70's and 80's. No one killed any more deer than he did.

From: Irish Archer
Date: 30-May-23




Well, it kinda seems as though I’m in a minority on this one. Seems kinda strange to me though why the market always brings more money for a bow that’s in great shape than it does for a bow with screws through the glass.

Obviously I must just be a little anal about the whole issue. Thanks to all that responded. Have a great day everyone.

From: instarcher
Date: 30-May-23




Well......

I'm VERY OCD about my bows. I want them to stay looking nice and I'm normally very careful when it comes to shooting/hunting with them. I don't want scratches, gouges or any other issues to arise. Yes, I know that hunting HARD takes a toll on our equipment but I try to minimize that. My 2014 Bear Grizzly looks just as good as the day I took it out of the plastic. It's been shot THOUSANDS of times. I guess it's just like everything, if you take care of it, it normally will last a long time. I've already planned and discussed that my bows will go to my 2 boys and of course I want them to remain in great shape for that fact too.

Myself personally would never drill holes in a wooden bow or screw things onto it etc. etc. I know that a LOT of older bows do have these "mods" but to each his own I guess.

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 30-May-23




Its amazing what guy's will argue about on this site!!!!

Bob

From: Tarpon120
Date: 30-May-23




Irish, I agree with you but I am never amazed at what people will do to bows or cars, for that matter. Typically I will not purchase a used bow with screw holes in the riser or with some sight bracket or other attachment mounted after the fact, although I have done it once with a DH High Speed that deserved a good home and the removal of a tarnished sight pin bracket.

Trad bows should be shot instinctively, or if you prefer, without sights and if you need that kind of thing you should just buy a compound and forego the expense of time and energy that it takes to learn to shoot without drilling holes into a bow so that you can fritter around with an after market sight.

From: buster v davenport
Date: 30-May-23




When a lot of those old bows were drilled for sights, compound bows were not on the market. The first Bear Tamerlane that I saw had a pistol scope mounted on it. bvd

From: fdp
Date: 30-May-23




"Trad bows should be shot instinctively, or if you prefer, without sights and if you need that kind of thing you should just buy a compound"..........you do realize that bow sights (of one kind or another) are documented as having been used in competition since at least the 1870's right?

From: Irish Archer
Date: 30-May-23




I didn’t realize that we are arguing Bob.





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