Have some winging their way to my door. Saw on Carbon Express site they are spined .325. Hoping they work with my 63-71# recurves/longbows. A little feedback would be great.

If they aren't too short I'd say there is a high probability they will work just fine.

They absolutely one tough arrow

Frank, Currently 30.75" and I'm thinking of trimming 1.5".

Rick, Good to hear.

Just for grins I would leave them at the current length and shoot them to see how they work out.

My theory is there are multiple ways make an arrow act stiffer, not so many to make one act softer.

They have brass inserts and I plan to shoot 250-300 grain VPA heads.

Yeah, I'll shoot them first.

I have a bunch of them and they don't wear out, not that i have seen anyway. Don't be in a rush to cut them, and if you do a quarter inch is more than you think. They react quickly to a length change. much more so than a change in point weight.

David, Thanks for the intel.

Those may be the toughest arrow made.

John, That is encouraging.

David X 2

My Dark timbers are made by the same company that makes all of the carbon express shafts. I couldn't tell you why CX discontinued the wood grain as they don't seem to have a replacement offering. I have been extremely happy with how the Dark Timbers are performing to include amazingly durable! BigJim

All these comments are highly encouraging, Thanks! CX is getting harder to find, so I probably be in touch with you Big Jim. Right now I am lovin' on some tapered, footed POC. CX will be used for hog arrows if they are as durable as folks are saying.

They work great in my 65-72 lb recurves. Very durable.

I have 63-71# recurves and D/R longbows, so they should fit right in. with 100 grain inserts and 190-300 grain heads

They should be here Friday, yummy!!!

Michael, as far as hog durability goes, they're tough, really tough. But if you are shooting a bow within the range that they were built for your arrows will be in the dirt somewhere on the other side of where the hog was, and they will be in good shape.

I have some that I have hunted regularly with that have been re- fletched multiple times. I use Onestringer wraps and just hit them with a heat gun and pull everything off, wipe with acetone and go back new.

I have some Dark Timber shafts for a recently acquired San Marco Eagle, so I am pleased to read Big Jim's comments on this thread and look forward to getting those into action soon.

I have had good luck with tapered, footed POC and 160 grain Snuffer heads on hogs up to 250# and javelina. Just have to wipe them off afterwards. Hoping these CX will be better.

Shot them out of my Zipper Nitro's 63-67#. Worked great. Idraw 29 but left the arrows at 31".

I draw 27 3/8", so usually shoot 28 1/2-29", these are 30 3/4", so I'll shoot them as is and then fiddle with one until I figure out what I need.

I don't mess with what works, and I have a lot of CX Heritage, as well as 160 Snuffers, 160 Magnus and 160 Cuttthroat. Good wherever you go, bad for whatever you shoot.

Heritage are my favorites. I shoot 150’s & 250’s. Not strong enough for the 350’s. I wish they were still available. I did buy some Dark Timbers but haven’t fletched them yet.

I’ve been happy with my Dark Timbers so far. Haven’t killed anything yet.

I look forward to years of pushing, 190 grain Snuffer, 250 grain VPA, even 170-190 grain Centaur heads in front of these shafts.

They're here. Standard Triangle box, with plastic tube inside. Talk about protecting the cargo.

How awesome.

OK first trials at bare shafting these. shafts ar 30 3/4" with brass inserts that by reverse math are probably 75 grain, 200 grain point. Recurve 60" and 66#@27 1/2". Shooting right handed. Shafts fish tailing radically left but pretty close on up and down. I'm a wood arrow guy and it is a more simple process.

Decrease your point weight or build out the side plate and shoot again if the description means the arrow are flying tail left.

Do they shoot into a vertical line, is that what you mean by "pretty close on up and down" or is that the nock orientation?

They are close to same height, my release is was poor on one or two. Good solid release has them hitting good on the vertical.

Decreased point weight 50 grains and the arrows are hitting about the same point, but nock high. The previous had nock left but on plane. Cutting length on carbons is dicey, but these are about an inch plus too long. 5" feathers will add about 60 grains to the tail end don't know if that will help.

Removed the brass insert (50 gr) and trimmed the shaft down to BOP- nock grove, 30 3?8". Just 3/8" cut off and that brought the arrow right into the center of the 6" white dot at 13, 17 and 20 yards. Just nock high which I can fix at home. Now the wait to get them fletched, I have no luck with skinny arrows. 615.6 grains without 4"x4 fletching, so I'm guessing @650 grains. Most of my bows run from 63-67#, have one at 60# and a longbow at 71#. So now I step into the High-Tech world of carbon arrows.

Incorporate some FOC. ie 145 tip, 50 to 100 grain brass inserts for a great hunting arrow.

Sounds like they will do a fine job.

Sasquatch73, I have been fiddling with the current length 30 3/8" with 50 grain insert and 200 grain point. Bumping to 229 grain point the flight loosens up a smidgeon. Once the shafts come back fletched I'll get them dialed in better. I'm guessing @650-60 for final weight after feathers. I'm smiling!!!

Too much time to think!!! Toying with idea of trimming another 3/8" and bumping point weight to 290 or 318, plus 50 grain insert. That would let my shoot the 1 1/4" VPA 250 or 300 grain heads. What a hog hammer.

Just shoot the 317 grain point on the 50 grain insert and there was a little nock left with the shaft tracking pretty well. I think my presumption of another 1/4 to 3/8" are real close.

Made the final trip to the archery shop/range and had 1/4" and then another 1/8" trimmed to get the shaft to the nock grove cut to 29 7'8"+ put a 100 grain brass broadhead adapter in and added 190 grain point. Total arrow weight minus 4 x 4" feathers is 653 grains. So should work out to 10.5 gpp with fletching. Flying well out to at least 20 yards.

Sounds like you got 'em worked out.

It takes a bit more than woodies, but they sure fly fast.

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