Got my custom spec'ed TenRingStrings in from Al Shafer and he nailed the length and did an awesome job of twisting up these strings comprised of 12 strands of D97 with plenty of B50 padding in the loops to give my vintage Red Wing Hunter the comfort it needs...

and I think my RWH will appreciate those padded loops...

(sorry but the pic rotation on this site is unpredictable so I'm just going to roll with it)

After a couple dozen stretch-in shots the BH sank from 8 3/4 to 8 1/2"s (the min rec BH) and between that and some fine tuning to the nocking point?...I wound up dropping down from 145gr points to 125gr points on these 30" long Beman .500 spine ICS Hunter shafts and figured I was "There"...

with groups like these from 15yds...

But as I continued to shoot (3 under w/ a glove) without as of yet putting a drop of super glue on the nocking points?...as per usual I wound up spinning the bottom nocking point lower and lower with every loose of the string intermittently having to twist it back up into position and that's when I remembered Rick Barbee's latest brainstorm of using two nocking points per side incorporating the "Locking Nut Effect" and also recalled that when it comes to these shorter bows with their more acute string angles?...in reflecting back...I (like many others I believe) have arguably had better results using a single nocking point so I went with both and spun the both against each other at the proper position above the arrow and proved to myself that going the single nocking point route was NOT my imagination as groups like these began to appear and kept me shooting for awhile in the light drizzling rain..

sweet! atta work great! They look totally better than my strings, I suck at making them. can't see good or feel good with the fingers

So thanks go out to both Allan Shafer of TenRingStrings and Rick Barbee for his new, coll, shared idea of the locking nut nocking points...no superglue necessary! :)

Those old bows preform so much better with low stretch strings. Good for you.

Those old bows preform so much better with low stretch strings. Good for you.

Why do you believe one nocking point is better on shorter bows? I've got a couple short bows and honestly have never tried it. Not wanting to derail the thread, I'm just hoping to learn! Thanks in advance!?

You're very welcome Bill. Glad they worked out for you!

Allen

Whittler and A.S.: Thanks you both! :)

GMC: "Why do you believe one nocking point is better on shorter bows?..."

Great question and I'm sorry to answer with a one word response but here it is...

"RESULTS"

Now that said?..I could render my knowledge based speculation as follows...(translation: "what I think I know")...

There are several shortcomings of shorter bows than can present some amplified challenges as opposed to the tuning and shooting of longer bows and they are...

1: The limb tips of a shorter bow travel a greater distance than those of a longer bow when drawn and of course loosed as the limbs of a shorter bow will tend to close more when drawn and as a result?...this leads to....

2: A more acute string angle at full draw.

Note: Now #2 above really has an effect on those of us that shoot 3-Under because while the string tends to pass through the arrows nock rather squarely when shooting split-finger?...the string passes through the arrows nock at an angle with a 3-Under string purchase which has the effect of forcing the arrows nock downward on the string when loosed (Ad: Beiter actually makes Asymmetrical nocks to compensate for this but are like $2 ea,) and when the arrows nock position is restrained on the string by a 2nd locator?...the nock has nowhere to go which in the case of shooting longer bows split-finger is a good thing?...isn't for those of use shooting shorter, single piece or otherwise non- adjustable bows 3-Under and here's why...

3. Limb Timing Anomalies: Shorter bows are less tolerant of and more sensitive to things like variances in string finger position/pressure and/or grip position/pressure both of which can and do have an effect on the limbs closure timing of each and every shot so?...

For the short bow shooter shooting 3-Under?..I for one find that using a single nocking point allows the arrow a bit of latitude to find it's own center on the string (so to speak) resulting in a greater level of shot-to-shot forgiveness with one single nocking point that is set a touch to the high side which also allows for greater fletching clearance, less feather wear and smaller gaps for those who are conscious and subconscious of such.

Wait, What?...I thought I said I had a one word answer! LOL!

"Results" ;)

The trials and tribulations of traditional archery LOL. I use a small strip of duct tape for the nock point which I wind around the string until I am sure of where the nock point should go. Then I use B50 and tie successive knots around the spot. I got that from Ric I think. I drop some Duco on it that doesn't touch the sting so it can't unwind or loosen but may be changed. Jawge

Jawge! LOL.. there was a time that Ben Rodger’s pointed out to us all that records have been shattered using nothing but pencil marks for nocking reference

You're welcome Bill.

It's working for you, and it continues to work for me, so I guess it's a good thing.

Rick

Oh, and P.S.

That Shafer feller builds a fine string, but don't him I said that. LOL :P :D

Rick

Rick......I saw that.... LOL

Thanks

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Thanks" ]]]

Well shoot. I thought for I could hide from you here. :-D :-P

Rick

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