Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Single Arrow or Groups

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Live2Hunt 08-Sep-22
M60gunner 08-Sep-22
Harleywriter 08-Sep-22
fdp 08-Sep-22
reddogge 08-Sep-22
Tom McCool 08-Sep-22
redquebec 08-Sep-22
2 bears 08-Sep-22
JusPassin 08-Sep-22
George Tsoukalas 08-Sep-22
longshot1959 08-Sep-22
Clydebow 08-Sep-22
TB 08-Sep-22
nocking point 08-Sep-22
Don 08-Sep-22
Lonster 08-Sep-22
Popester 08-Sep-22
Corax_latrans 08-Sep-22
tradmt 08-Sep-22
bradsmith2010santafe 08-Sep-22
Two Feathers 08-Sep-22
George D. Stout 08-Sep-22
al snow 08-Sep-22
longbowguy 08-Sep-22
Buzz 09-Sep-22
shade mt 09-Sep-22
kaw369 09-Sep-22
Tedd 09-Sep-22
reddogge 09-Sep-22
Live2Hunt 09-Sep-22
RonP 09-Sep-22
Viper 09-Sep-22
Kanati 09-Sep-22
Live2Hunt 09-Sep-22
George D. Stout 09-Sep-22
Live2Hunt 09-Sep-22
Viper 09-Sep-22
HEXX 09-Sep-22
tradmt 09-Sep-22
RonP 09-Sep-22
RonL 09-Sep-22
ottertails 09-Sep-22
Corax_latrans 09-Sep-22
shade mt 10-Sep-22
shade mt 10-Sep-22
HEXX 10-Sep-22
pipcount 10-Sep-22
cut it out 10-Sep-22
Corax_latrans 10-Sep-22
Osr144 15-Sep-22
GUTPILEPA 15-Sep-22
elkpacker 15-Sep-22
Live2Hunt 15-Sep-22
Two Feathers 15-Sep-22
tradmt 15-Sep-22
Phil Magistro 15-Sep-22
Desperado 16-Sep-22
Kodiak 16-Sep-22
Justcut 16-Sep-22
Bearcurve59 16-Sep-22
Rick Barbee 16-Sep-22
BigGOutdoors 16-Sep-22
Greenstyk 16-Sep-22
Calgroundgame 16-Sep-22
Live2Hunt 16-Sep-22
[email protected] 16-Sep-22
George Tsoukalas 16-Sep-22
Osr144 16-Sep-22
shandorweiss 17-Sep-22
Rick Barbee 17-Sep-22
Rock 17-Sep-22
pipcount 17-Sep-22
Bob Rowlands 17-Sep-22
Babysaph 17-Sep-22
shandorweiss 17-Sep-22
From: Live2Hunt
Date: 08-Sep-22




How many of you shoot single arrow for practice or multiple for groups? I can shoot great with single arrow out to 30 yards. But, when I shoot multiple, the first is generally good but the rest start spraying especially further than 15 yards. I can group them one time, then spray the next with the first shot good. Drives me freaking nuts.

From: M60gunner
Date: 08-Sep-22




Except for the indoor shooting, I do a 5 shot group, I don’t usually shoot more than 2 arrows unless the target is large like elk. Now if I miss those two I will shoot another.

From: Harleywriter
Date: 08-Sep-22




I always have a better practice when I only shoot an arrow, retrieve it and think about that shot as I walk back to shoot again. But too often I go out with good intentions then lose my focus and start “flinging em,” so my aim is to lengthen that magic time when I have it all together.

From: fdp
Date: 08-Sep-22




I do both.

Both serve a purpose.

From: reddogge
Date: 08-Sep-22




For practice, I shoot about 5. Saves tedious walking back and forth to retrieve arrows. For 3-D I like to limit myself to one good shot. If I make a bad one I vow to buckle down on the next target. I rarely shoot two arrows.

From: Tom McCool
Date: 08-Sep-22




Both work.

From: redquebec
Date: 08-Sep-22




Both. Single arrow shots done cold to simulate a hunting shot. Groups for form consistency.

From: 2 bears
Date: 08-Sep-22




Sometimes I go out with the idea of just keeping mussels in shape. I may shoot 2 dozen arrows in too short a time, at various spots, before retrieving. Accuracy is no where near as good as a limited quality practice. As hunting season draws close I try to limit it to daily quality practice. No more than 3 arrows before retrieving. >>>----> Ken

From: JusPassin
Date: 08-Sep-22




I'm too lazy to shoot 1 arrow at the target, then walk to it to pull it out to shoot again. I'd spend 50 minutes walking for every 10 shooting.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 08-Sep-22




I like to shoot 1 and retrieve. Jawge

From: longshot1959
Date: 08-Sep-22




I shoot multiple arrows but only one from each distance. Walk forward and back, different angles at random, taking time and relaxing between shots. Sometimes do the same thing but rushing to practice stress shots.

From: Clydebow
Date: 08-Sep-22




One and retrieve. Great exercise.

From: TB Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 08-Sep-22




1 & retrieve for me also.

From: nocking point Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 08-Sep-22




1,practice like I hunt

From: Don
Date: 08-Sep-22




The first shot of the day is what I judge my bowhunting readiness on.

One shot at a time never made sense to me. Your mine mind is the pin sight. If you hit low, mentally adjust and entrain the pin into your mind through practice.

From: Lonster
Date: 08-Sep-22




I shoot one, go get it and shoot again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Probably only getting one shot at a deer, make it count.

It is better to shoot multiple arrows when working on form or other issues.

From: Popester
Date: 08-Sep-22




A little bit of all of the above, depending on the day.

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 08-Sep-22




All of the above.

Most days I shoot a few dozen from a bit more than 65, as form work. If you’re getting cocky at 17, you should try 71… ;)

And ordinarily, I’ll have a quiver with all of my arrows that are in shooting shape, and I’ll take anywhere from 3 to howevermany shots my arrow inventory will support on a walk-up. Rarely take more than one shot at any given distance. A lot of days I’ll shoot 4 - 1 from each stake just to guarantee big gaps between distances of each shot.

Over the weekend I shortened up considerably and took 1 shot at each of 27 3D targets, all from the closest stake, which is basically LW-Sanctioned Hunting Range. All 20 yards and in, though we have a rep for keeping things longer than most 3D courses, so fairly realistic hunting shots and the pressure of only 1 shot each. Shot exceptionally well, which is what you wanna see this time of year….

I guess you’d say it’s all part of a balanced diet.

From: tradmt
Date: 08-Sep-22




I usually rove around the yard with one judo, sometimes two. I shoot two or three into a n indoor target during the winter.

From: bradsmith2010santafe
Date: 08-Sep-22




I practice both

From: Two Feathers
Date: 08-Sep-22




1st arrow is the money arrow. After that I'll be shooting 5 arrows from different distance and from an elevated position.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 08-Sep-22




Groups prove it wasn't an accident.

From: al snow
Date: 08-Sep-22




I shoot one. When I shoot groups, there’s a “worm” that gets into my brain and causes focus problems. Might not be that way for anyone else.

From: longbowguy
Date: 08-Sep-22




Well, I need to warm up to shoot well. A bit of stretching, some arm swinging and then shoot a few groups. I figure the first dozen arrows don't count. Some days it may take two dozen to feel ready.

When hunting I warm up before leaving the truck and shoot a blunt or judo now and then during the day to stay sharp for when opportunity arises.

The first shot of the day means nothing to me. - lbg

From: Buzz
Date: 09-Sep-22




As above.

I practice both.

From: shade mt
Date: 09-Sep-22




I'm to cheap to shoot more than 1 or 2 arrows at a time.

unless i aim at different spots on the target, i usually only shoot 1 or 2

From: kaw369
Date: 09-Sep-22




One at a time.

From: Tedd
Date: 09-Sep-22




Sometimes your eye will chase a previous arrow. Progressively spreading the group wider. Or at least that is my excuse. I usually shoot 3-4 per turn. More makes a mess and less makes too much walking. My quiver holds 5 and 1 is a less used practice broadhead. So it is usually 4 arrows per turn.

From: reddogge
Date: 09-Sep-22




My one arrow per 3-D target will tell me how I am on the first shot and I shoot a lot of 3-D these days.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 09-Sep-22




I turned on the lights for my range last night and shot some groups. For whatever reason I start collapsing after the first shot which the further out I go, the more it is amplified. My old buddy TP kind of haunts me also. The first shot I am totally focused and shoot great. The next ones my brain and body have there own agenda and feel they will do what they want not what I want. Work in progress. I was shooting tight groups regularly out to 20 at the end of last nights sesion.

From: RonP
Date: 09-Sep-22




when i am serious about practicing, i shoot one arrow, retrieve, and repeat.

i do this from various distances, positions, and wearing my hunting clothes including face mask, as well as my pack, and at different times of the day and during different weather conditions. sometimes as much as 10-15 minutes go by before i shoot another arrow.

most practice sessions take about 30-60 minutes and i shoot 5-10 arrows or thereabouts.

i knew a guy that could sink a lot of shots from the free throw line, one right after the other. he wasn't a good basketball player and was a below average shot from other areas on the court.

From: Viper
Date: 09-Sep-22




L -

I'm pretty much convinces that most of the one arrow and retrieve guys guys are (way) over bowed.

Archery is a game of repetition, so for practice, multiple shots just works better. If you can't handle five or six shoots per end, something is pretty wrong.

The fly in the ointment, is if you're a "bow hunter" and you actually can shoot (well), then mixing full ends with one shot and retrieve FROM DIFFERENT DISTANCES AND ANGLES, becomes a necessary skill. The problem is that too many people miss the second requirement - being able to shoot and effectively using the one shot thing as mask.

But yeah, that's not what anyone wants to hear, right?

Viper out.

From: Kanati
Date: 09-Sep-22




I have a 5 dot target. I shoot 1 at each dot. Saves arrows from slapping too.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 09-Sep-22




I do periodically do the walk back or walk up shooting at 15, 20 and 30, and generally peg them well. I just need to shake this grouping multiple arrows thing. I may have me brain wise more so than anything.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 09-Sep-22




I just laugh at guys who say they break too many arrows if they shoot groups. I've known professional archers who shot near perfect scores that didn't worry about 6 arrow ends into a tiny center, and they most times never did more than break a nock or two. I'll do both, but mostly I want to know if that one shot was real or s/l.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 09-Sep-22




George, that is the main reason I want to know that also.

From: Viper
Date: 09-Sep-22




Mr. Stout -

Thank you.

Viper out.

From: HEXX
Date: 09-Sep-22




One and done, then a different distance. I can't judge distance very well if I shoot the

same distance ( groups ).

From: tradmt
Date: 09-Sep-22




I wish I had one of you guys walk around with me so when I shoot one and retrieve I can have you retrieve it.

From: RonP
Date: 09-Sep-22




:), on queue.

From: RonL
Date: 09-Sep-22




In our group of shooters after one makes a great shot, I started the practice of saying “Can you do it again “. And of course I got called on it also.

RonL

From: ottertails
Date: 09-Sep-22




Short range: one shot per multiple targets 'ie' several dots painted on a target ... AND, at different ranges each shot. Longer ranges...25-100+yards...groups. And I'll mix it up also. Don't care if I break a nock or split an arrow...done it a billion times..love to shoot groups! I have always kept several hundred woodies and thousands of nocks in stock so I'm good to go. You guys shooting those expensive carbons and aluminum arrows with their components, eh,I guess.

That above is all backyard stuff. I test myself when roving for the best feedback on my shooting.

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 09-Sep-22




“Groups prove it wasn't an accident.”

So do score cards. ;)

I actually did bust up enough nocks (shooting groups at 50 feet in the back yard) for it to become somewhat costly. Pin nocks are a good solution for that. As is backing up another 20 feet! LOL

I just didn’t HAVE any more feet to back up into, so I rejoined the archery club.

I don’t exactly sprint from target to target out there on the course, but I have been known to break into a bit of a trot so that I might be just a teensy bit winded for my next shot. Whatever it takes so that I don’t have to feel like I’m out jogging….

From: shade mt
Date: 10-Sep-22




im usually ok with different opinions....so dont bother debating.

first...i been at this a long time.

just because i decide to shoot one arrow at a time...does Not mean im overbowed. What about the day before when i shot 6 arrows at a time..was i overbowed then?

and...if you shoot every single day, and your any kind of a good shot....your going to eventually ruin some arrows if your shooting multiple arrows at the same spot. might not be today,,,but sooner or later.

and....why does shooting multiple arrows prove it was no accident?..does the 20 seconds it take to walk to the target make any difference?....if 3 arrows all go to the same spot, why on earth would shooting them faster make any difference?

From: shade mt
Date: 10-Sep-22




1 arrow vs groups? along with that last post, let me add, i agree, sometimes you may be right, but in some instances, you might not be.....just all depends on the person.

From: HEXX
Date: 10-Sep-22




George, I have never heard that one before, " I never shoot groups because I might

break my arrows ". I guess if you need an excuse, anyone will due. It is still one and

done for me and I have always been in the minority. Life goes on.

From: pipcount
Date: 10-Sep-22




I shoot my first ~60-72 arrows at 20yds in groups of 6 for a NFAA type check of "how am I doing, getting better?" Right now it seems like COVID has really hurt me, I am down 15% on my scores... longer story.

Then I do next ~30 at semi random, 1-2 arrows per target in groups of 6 again, moving around on the 10-35 yd ranges, my hope is this helps for 3D.

I think I fool myself that the semi random shots are better. If I get an arrow 4-6" left at 30 yds all by itself I feel "well that is ok", but if I shoot another and it is 4-6" right, and up to a foot from its brother, I realize I maybe am not doing so well. I am considering going to dual arrow groups to annoy myself on this "random walk through the range."

From: cut it out
Date: 10-Sep-22




I do single just so I don’t trash arrows or fletching.

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 10-Sep-22




I may tick a few people off with this one, but if you never wreck any nocks or tear up any fletchings when shooting groups of let’s say 3 or more….

You might need some form work.

When I stick an old arrow in the dirt at 30 yards as my target, I expect to hit it. Or maybe I should clarify: I don’t actually expect that I will hit it on every shot, but I take every shot with the expectation of finding my mark. So no, I only very rarely shoot that fine at that distance, but the expectation is there every time I draw the bow. Any vertical line will do, but when you hit square enough to snap off a chunk of 2018, you’re ON.

And it feels damn good.

So JMO, if you take every shot with the expectation of hitting a pie plate and that’s “good enough” then you’ll never really be any good. That’s like being satisfied with an average of an 8 on a 3D course from whatever you consider to be your realistic hunting range. An 8 average means that you’d Probably kill the animal Most of the time… And that’s really not good enough.

If it’s a shot that you definitely would take on game, then you should definitely expect to hit the 10 ring or better.

From: Osr144
Date: 15-Sep-22




I try not to shoot groups as most folk do.I do however like shooting at 5 separate marks on a target.Lost the thrill of Robin hooding arrows long ago.Not that I could regularly do that.I just don't like repairing hand made knocks.To replace a hand made Ebony knock takes about 45minutes.Bone knocks tale longer.My Ottomon knocks would take even longer.I tend to look after my arrows a lot better these days as the tahe so long to make from scratch. Osr

From: GUTPILEPA
Date: 15-Sep-22




I like shooting 3-5 at a time I’m not walking up and back for a 30+yards shot for 1 arrow

From: elkpacker
Date: 15-Sep-22




I do both. single BH tiped arrow out to 35. The I swithch to 4 arrows walking back from 10-35

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 15-Sep-22




I do like the walk back shooting. Shooting groups of multiple arrows from one mark is my issue for some reason.

From: Two Feathers
Date: 15-Sep-22




When shooting groups I find my first arrow is normally my best shot. I think my focus on the spot is distracted when other arrows are in the target.

From: tradmt
Date: 15-Sep-22




Definitely!^^^^^^^

I have never shot a scoring target, I shoot to kill critters, my first shot is really the only one that counts. I have shot archery long enough to learn that not only do I not need to destroy arrows to prove that I can to myself, I most certainly don’t need to prove it to anyone else. That said, I don’t consider myself a good shot but I can put a dozen arrows into a target the size of an elks vitals at 30 yards without damaging one arrow.

Do you think that’s good enough? Well, frankly, I don’t care what you think, but the critters do! Lol

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 15-Sep-22




I shoot three arrows, maybe four, from 20 to 30 yards. I don’t worry about ruining arrows but sometimes it does happen. It helps me practice my concentration shooting more than one.

From: Desperado
Date: 16-Sep-22




One and retrieve then put the bow down for a while. Make the single arrow count !!!! Des

From: Kodiak
Date: 16-Sep-22




I shoot groups and a lot of arrows per session. If you hunt from a tree stand make sure you practice from an elevated position. If you don't you'll most likely shoot high when a buck appears. Ask me how I know.

From: Justcut
Date: 16-Sep-22




1 and retrieve most of the time.

From: Bearcurve59
Date: 16-Sep-22




Both, groups establish confidence, but even then I stay with only 2-3 arrows. But to seal the deal, I go to single arrows, and especially like to use some of my cardboard turkey & deer cutouts in the woods, stand em with a stick or anyways, and take one shot at different angles & distances!

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 16-Sep-22




It depends on what I'm looking at/for/what kind of exercise I am doing at the time.

I'll admit it though. I'm a tight wad, and don't even like breaking nocks, unless there's a need for it.

Rick

From: BigGOutdoors
Date: 16-Sep-22




I usually do walk backs with 5 arrows. 10,15,20,25,30. One from each distance. Then alternate with walk ups 30,25,20,15,10. When I get a new dozen arrows after I have them tuned I’ll shoot groups of 5 from a certain distance just to “make sure” they are flying good and to nock tune. I have paper plate accuracy but rarely break nocks. And also as with anything in archery I say “To each his own” at least we are all out there shooting! }}}———> o

From: Greenstyk
Date: 16-Sep-22

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What happens shooting groups. I killed two arrows with one shot a few days ago. Hurts my feelings when that happens. Lol

From: Calgroundgame
Date: 16-Sep-22




One and done! I like to hunt. I like to shoot- these two dont work well together for me. When I shoot the one arrow and it is on for about 10 days straight. I am ready. When I shoot (whether heavy or light) too much I start "thinking" to much. When I shoot at game it is pull back and shoot. When I found what works for ME! I have become 10x better and super quick recoveries. My last year of shooting groups it took 7 hours to find my buck. The next one was 7 minutes.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 16-Sep-22




Calgroundgame, that is almost identical to me. Single arrows I'm good to go out to 30.

From: [email protected]
Date: 16-Sep-22




Both. This close to hunting I start leaning more towards 1 arrow with broadhead.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 16-Sep-22




I shoot 1 at different distances and retrieve it . I got tired of breaking self nocks. But mainly I feel that shooting 1 and retrieving gives me a chance to think about the previous shot. Well, that's the way it goes. Jawge

From: Osr144
Date: 16-Sep-22




I am with Jawge.Self and hand made knocke are a pia to fix.Osr

From: shandorweiss
Date: 17-Sep-22




I shoot on a hillside and I don't like walking a lot due to back injuries. I have bales set up every 5-10 yards from 30 to 80 yards. I'll shoot dozens of arrows, often at different distances, before I go get them. Even if at 1 distance, I have 4-5 spots to shoot at on a stack of 3 bales. I'll shoot 6 at a time at 1 spot. I'm addicted to seeing how tight a group I can get. Yeah, I kill some arrows, break a lot of knocks, and knock of some feathers. But it's worth it to me to see if I can get all 6 arrows in a 3" diameter foam ball at 35 yards or more.

I don't have to walk to get 1 arrow to think about the shot. I can do that while I'm standing there between shots. I do, however, put my arrows a few feet away so I have to move a bit and set up again between shots.

From: Rick Barbee
Date: 17-Sep-22




Single arrow can be a lot of fun, and it's good exercise.

Yesterday evening I walked just shy of 4.5 miles shooting single arrow 100 yard shots, and it was a brisk walk trying to beat the camera timeout.

Never did beat the timeout, but I sure had fun trying.

Now I just have to figure out why my camera is timing out. It didn't used to do that.

Rick

From: Rock Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-Sep-22




Winter indoor shooting 6 arrows, summer 3-D shooting 1 or occasionally 2 per target, hunting season 1 Judo shooting at whatever looks like a good target from 10 to 60 yards. Best practice is shooting the Judo while walking from point A to point B, yardage is always varied, target is always different (forces you to pick a spot) etc.

From: pipcount
Date: 17-Sep-22




If you worry about robin hooding, you might consider pin nock inserts and Beiter pin knocks. Reduced broken shafts by about 75% for me. Buy spare, and inexpensive, nocks and inserts rather than expensive shafts. I am getting almost two years of use from a dozen arrows now.

It is certainly worth it for target arrows, and I even put them on my Easton Carbon Trad for going afield so I could reduce to one type of nock in my inventory. I am using for small game this weekend on a "Field trip."

Just call Lancaster and give them an arrow ID and they will set you up. I use Beiter nocks, but am not sure it really matters. They just happened to fit my existing serving/strings well when I transitioned.

A target arched posted a ton of fit information on pin nocks if you are thinking of it, may help find right nock for your servings. I did not want to change out strings or servings on my bows..

https://www.onlinearcheryacademy.com/nock-fit-guide/

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 17-Sep-22




Both.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 17-Sep-22




I shoot one arrow then retrieve it. Keeps me moving. If I hit my spot I know it was a good shot

From: shandorweiss
Date: 17-Sep-22




Forgot to mention. I only shoot wood arrows. I started using brass bullet nose points on them. Since then the # of arrows broken or damaged has gone way down. The bullet nose bounces or slides off other arrows rather than piercing them or breaking them. Most of the time.





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