Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Robinhood or not ?????

Messages posted to thread:
Bearfootin 26-Jul-22
2Wild Bill 26-Jul-22
fdp 26-Jul-22
Orion 26-Jul-22
Viper 26-Jul-22
Blue Duck 26-Jul-22
Bearfootin 27-Jul-22
Bearfootin 27-Jul-22
Frisky 27-Jul-22
Foggy Mountain 27-Jul-22
TrustyShellback 27-Jul-22
JusPassin 27-Jul-22
Philbow 27-Jul-22
Brian waters 27-Jul-22
Wayne Hess 27-Jul-22
The Whittler 27-Jul-22
The Whittler 27-Jul-22
George Tsoukalas 27-Jul-22
Viper 27-Jul-22
bowfitz 27-Jul-22
JusPassin 27-Jul-22
Live2Hunt 27-Jul-22
reddogge 27-Jul-22
Viper 27-Jul-22
Nemophilist 27-Jul-22
Viper 27-Jul-22
Bearfootin 27-Jul-22
Bearfootin 27-Jul-22
tobywon 27-Jul-22
Shawn 27-Jul-22
GUTPILEPA 27-Jul-22
Dave Lay 27-Jul-22
Viper 28-Jul-22
JusPassin 28-Jul-22
JusPassin 28-Jul-22
Viper 28-Jul-22
Nemophilist 28-Jul-22
Nemophilist 28-Jul-22
GUTPILEPA 28-Jul-22
Nemophilist 28-Jul-22
shandorweiss 28-Jul-22
Nemophilist 28-Jul-22
George Tsoukalas 28-Jul-22
Jegs.mi 28-Jul-22
Nemophilist 28-Jul-22
Supernaut 28-Jul-22
Uncle Lijiah 28-Jul-22
Pa Steve 28-Jul-22
South Farm 28-Jul-22
david k. 28-Jul-22
felipe 28-Jul-22
Osr144 29-Jul-22
South Farm 29-Jul-22
babysaph 31-Jul-22
eddie c 31-Jul-22
Tom McCool 31-Jul-22
shortdraw 01-Aug-22
shortdraw 01-Aug-22
Nemophilist 01-Aug-22
GUTPILEPA 01-Aug-22
Greenstyk 01-Aug-22
Bearfootin 01-Aug-22
Osr144 10-Aug-22
Ironfist 11-Aug-22
From: Bearfootin
Date: 26-Jul-22

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I know this isn’t a real bullseye,… but this is the closest I’ve come yet to a Robinhood at 20yards. I wasn’t aiming at the arrow , but the center of the target and Bingo. LOL

It cost me an arrow , so I think I’ll say it was a Robinhood LOL

From: 2Wild Bill
Date: 26-Jul-22




The Yellow dot is the bullseye, two consecutive arrows and the second nails the first...........why, in your thinking isn't that a "real" Robinhood? Because it didn't split the first shaft to the target face?

That was done in the movie with an inverted broadhead just so the first shaft would split that true, did you know?

From: fdp
Date: 26-Jul-22




He thinks it isn't a Robinhood because he wasn't aiming the 2nd shot at the first arrow. In other words it wasn't intentional.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 26-Jul-22




It's a Robin Hood, unintentional though it may be. Or, if it's not intentional, is it a Robin Hood? Hmmmm.

From: Viper
Date: 26-Jul-22




Bear -

All modern "Robinhoods" are unintentionally and by today's standards, it doesn't have to be dead center.

I am a little curious about the angle of the second arrow. All the ones I've gotten or seen has some fluting of the first shaft.

Viper out.

From: Blue Duck
Date: 26-Jul-22




Two in the bull. That there’s a Robin Hood.

From: Bearfootin
Date: 27-Jul-22

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Maybe a little better ( clearer ) picture.

Lloyd

From: Bearfootin
Date: 27-Jul-22




Not to beat a dead horse LOL, but I’m surprised the second arrow even stayed in the first as they are 6mm Easton Axis arrows with 9/32 field tips,

If you zoom in on the pic you can see the flair.

Lloyd

From: Frisky
Date: 27-Jul-22




I don't know. Something looks a little bogus to me!

Joe

From: Foggy Mountain
Date: 27-Jul-22




It’s a Robin Hood. Fellas my guess is light weight. It prob barely penetrated the other shaft and that caused hanging down. I’ve seen it similar before

From: TrustyShellback
Date: 27-Jul-22




You in da hood

From: JusPassin
Date: 27-Jul-22




Sorry about your busted arrow, but I'd still call it a RH......

From: Philbow
Date: 27-Jul-22




Robin Hood.

From: Brian waters
Date: 27-Jul-22




That 1 instance is enough to warrant nock bushings. Crap gets expensive.

From: Wayne Hess
Date: 27-Jul-22




Only in aluminum or carbon arrows, can that be done with wood arrows ? To RobinHood

From: The Whittler
Date: 27-Jul-22




My take is when an arrow splits another arrow, it's as simple as that. You got yourself a Robin Hood, good for you.

From: The Whittler
Date: 27-Jul-22




My take is when an arrow splits another arrow, it's as simple as that. You got yourself a Robin Hood, good for you.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 27-Jul-22




Sure it is a Robin Hood. Jawge

From: Viper
Date: 27-Jul-22




Guys -

Bearfootin said they were field points, the narrow part, before the shoulder, had to be thin enough to stick in the first arrow's nock / tail of shaft. I could see that happening with the old style Bear FPs. With bullet points, it would have been just a busted nock.

Lloyd -

The second arrow is still usable ;^).

Wayne -

Well Howard Hill couldn't do it with wooden arrows (It was faked in the Robin Hood movie), Myth Busters couldn't do it, but there are some people here who have. I also have a Bridge in Brooklyn I'm selling at a reasonable price.

Viper out.

From: bowfitz
Date: 27-Jul-22




I think we need to see the second arrows nock,look for hammer marks lol good shootin Lloyd

From: JusPassin
Date: 27-Jul-22




The first couple I did I kept them together for the novelty value. After that I pulled them apart so as to use the second arrow.

From: Live2Hunt
Date: 27-Jul-22




It was cool the first couple, an annoyance of breaking another arrow came after that.

From: reddogge
Date: 27-Jul-22

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This is the closest I came with wood arrows. Due to grain run out it didn't split all the way down.

From: Viper
Date: 27-Jul-22




red -

That's about average.

LB -

Troll much?

And, it would be "So you WERE on the set" and not "So you WAS on set"

Viper out.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 27-Jul-22

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A few of mine through the years. Mostly wood because I shoot wood a lot. Plus an aluminum, and a carbon. My wood arrows always ran out with the grain.

From: Viper
Date: 27-Jul-22




Nemo -

Again, exactly what you'd expect.

Viper out.

From: Bearfootin
Date: 27-Jul-22

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LOL thanks for the comments fellas.

Another pic that might help clarify the actual hit.

Yes I stripped the arrow of it’s fletching, insert and point.

The arrow is a 6mm Easton Axis….around .240 or so and the field point is 9/32 so around .270 and it stayed clinging on till the next day. LOL

Lloyd

From: Bearfootin
Date: 27-Jul-22

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I bet some of you are thinking….this is getting better and better eh !!

Another pic of just the nock end.

Lloyd

From: tobywon
Date: 27-Jul-22




Only a Robbin Hood if you did that wearing green tights!! :)

From: Shawn
Date: 27-Jul-22




Its a Robin Hood only in it stuck in the other arrow, too me a true Robin Hood has to be intentional, after all Robin Hood was trying to do it, it wasn't a mistake or by chance. Shawn

From: GUTPILEPA
Date: 27-Jul-22




OH YEA YOU Did IT

From: Dave Lay Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jul-22




I agree it’s a robinhood but I watched a video where Byron Ferguson called those a accident. Lol

From: Viper
Date: 28-Jul-22




Lloyd -

Be careful with that, carbon splinters ain't fun.

Viper out.

From: JusPassin
Date: 28-Jul-22




They can be done intentionally, and there is a record here somewhere but I can't remember who holds it for the most in a row. I think it's Arvid Danielson, Black Swan Archery.

From: JusPassin
Date: 28-Jul-22




By the way, the odds for one of us normal guys doing that have been calculated to be 1 in 4000.

From: Viper
Date: 28-Jul-22




Jus -

So, a competitive archer, shooting at least 1,000 arrows a week should be getting a Robinhood about once a month???

I go through about 100 count pack of nocks per year, frankly been a while since I fluted a shaft.

As far as the "intentional" thing, I'd expect Olympic and compound guys doing it a lot more often - yet it's still pretty rare.

And BTW - despite the logic, carbons are easier to RH than aluminums, and aluminums with conventional nocks are easier than inserts, and pin nocks pretty much impossible.

Welcome to the Internet, the misinformation super highway...

Viper out.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 28-Jul-22




Let's see some more pictures if you got them.

From: Nemophilist
Date: 28-Jul-22




Viper,

Thanks for the heads up but I already knew that.

From: GUTPILEPA
Date: 28-Jul-22




Hey Viper there is no one pat you on the back I guess you have to yourself LOL!!!!

From: Nemophilist
Date: 28-Jul-22




Byron Ferguson, traditional bow hunter and trick-shot (Hill's successor in archery showmanship), was able to perfectly telescope one arrow with another using a modern laminated longbow for the History Channel special "Extreme Marksmen". The average archer has a chance to shoot a "Robin Hood" (splitting an arrow with another) every 1 in 10,000 shots. Byron Ferguson, however, did not split a wooden arrow from nock to tip, but telescoped a modern aluminum arrow into another. The aluminum and carbon fiber arrow shafts used by modern archers are more consistent and straighter than wood arrows, making for more consistent archery shots.

I'll have to look for that episode of Extreme Marksman where Byron Ferguson telescoped that aluminum arrow.

From: shandorweiss
Date: 28-Jul-22

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In the film, as others have said Hill hit the first arrow in the exact center of the bullseye with the 2nd arrow, a number of times. But the arrows didn't split the whole length the way the director wanted them to. What I read was that they then attached a thin wire from the bow to the point of the arrow in the target, and attached a new arrow that Hill shot, to the wire with a small tube or something. When they did that the 2nd arrow split the first one all the way.

They call it a Robin Hood b/c Robin Hood was in a competition. The other shooter hit the center of the bullseye. For Robin Hood to win, he had to do better than hit the center of the bullseye. He had to hit or split the arrow already there. So... to me, it's only a Robin Hood if the first arrow is in the exact center of the bullseye... a perfect shot... and if the 2nd arrow hits the end of the first arrow... an intentional 2nd perfect shot.

I've done it 17 times since I took up shooting again 8 years ago. I only use wood arrows so they don't penetrate like carbon or aluminum. Never had one split the arrow all the way. My shots have been from 25 to 50 yards. Here's the 50 yard Robin Hood.

BTW I now use bullet nose points on my arrows. Not all of them have bullet nose points, but the ones that do no longer split or break arrows. They just break the nock of the 1st arrow and glance off. Saves arrows but it's not as dramatic. That's fine with me. I'd rather save an arrow and replace the nock!

From: Nemophilist
Date: 28-Jul-22

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A cedar arrow I split with my 1972 Bear Super Kodiak.

From: George Tsoukalas
Date: 28-Jul-22




I've split nocks many a time. At 1-3 hours per handmade shafted arrow, is the reason why I shoot 1 arrow at a time and then retrieve...not to mention that my nocks are self-nocked and repairing them is quite tedious.

I wish I could still shoot like that but too much arthritis precludes it. Jawge

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 28-Jul-22

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From: Nemophilist
Date: 28-Jul-22




"LOL" Me to.

From: Supernaut
Date: 28-Jul-22




Yep.

From: Uncle Lijiah
Date: 28-Jul-22




I've never understood why Robin Hood won that archery tournament. The Captain of the Archers hit dead center in the bull's eye. Robin Hood also hit dead center, but there was an arrow in the way. I'd call it a tie and make them keep shooting. I think the Sheriff of Nottingham & Prince John must've signaled the judges to wrap it up because they were in a hurry to capture Robin Hood. :o)

From: Pa Steve
Date: 28-Jul-22




Me 3...

From: South Farm
Date: 28-Jul-22




I wouldn't worry too much about the drooping shaft...they got pills nowadays for that;)

From: david k.
Date: 28-Jul-22




I've done it about 4-5 times over the past 20 years and it just makes me mad now.

From: felipe
Date: 28-Jul-22

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Sounds like when you open a can of beer...

From: Osr144
Date: 29-Jul-22

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I am not a happy camper.New bow ,new arrows range 10 Meters(33) feet.First arrow hit the mark second arrow fair up its ass.Took out a hand made Ebony knock.Unfortunately it will take at least 1 hour to make a new one and fit and shape it.I only shoot for grouping once in a new set of arrows and there after I only shoot at an individual mark.The fun went out of (Robbin Hoods) years ago.Its just a piss off to be honest.I am going to blame that Frisky character.His fault posting his unbelievable groups.He jinxt me.Actually my afternoon was not a complete wast of time.Turkish style flight arrows should not be used for target work.The ones I hand made are just robust enough to get away with a couple of shots into a target.These took 6 hours work each .To my suprise they are super accurate.Far better than my other arrows.My next set of target arrows will be having Turkish characteristics incorporated in their construction..Enjoy your (Robbin Hoods)folks.You can keep them for yourselves Osr

From: South Farm
Date: 29-Jul-22




Some of you may not get out much, but they make targets that have 5 spots on them now...spendy on the front end, but with the accuracy some of you shoot might save you some money in the long run:)

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 31-Jul-22




I am backing you Shander at the Lancaster shoot. I don't think it is likely that anyone can get a Robin Hood with a wood arrow. JMO

From: eddie c
Date: 31-Jul-22




Whether you call it a RB or not, it means that you aimed, held your bow and released exactly the same twice. Shows consistency.

From: Tom McCool
Date: 31-Jul-22




I never got a Robin Hood in 50 years of shooting.... and I’m OK with that. :)

From: shortdraw
Date: 01-Aug-22

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Here is one I shot a few years ago. The arrow is cedar and I had just finished building this dozen. It was only shot once. It split down to the point. If the grain is right it can be done. I have broke nocks and split a few like nemos but this is the only complete split I have shot so far.

From: shortdraw
Date: 01-Aug-22

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From: Nemophilist
Date: 01-Aug-22




Interesting.

From: GUTPILEPA
Date: 01-Aug-22




Really that looks like a hatchet split

From: Greenstyk
Date: 01-Aug-22

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I only have one.

From: Bearfootin
Date: 01-Aug-22




Great pic everyone !!!!!!

Lloyd

From: Osr144
Date: 10-Aug-22




I don't know the facts with short draw but I could see that being true.I once had a footed shaft split just like that and it split all the way to the footing.Don't diss it.Could very easily be genuine Osr

From: Ironfist
Date: 11-Aug-22

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Thats a Robin Hood.You shot your first arrow and it hit the gold . You shot the 2nd arrow at the same spot and hit your first . Thats a Robin Hood in my book. I did the same thing.





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