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Vanes dumb question

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Osr144 01-Jul-22
fdp 01-Jul-22
longshot1959 01-Jul-22
Osr144 01-Jul-22
longshot1959 02-Jul-22
fdp 02-Jul-22
Osr144 02-Jul-22
From: Osr144
Date: 01-Jul-22




Got a dumb question.The Turks apparently used parchment vanes on some arrows.Could just be hear say??Now did they use a siper or shoot off the hand?.If off the hand there would probably be clearance issues.I was contemplating trying vanes.You could try khartra and possibably clear an arrow that way but maybe not.Has any one heard of this or tried vanes off the hand?My experience tells me no way.I may be wrong.Elevated rest can be tricky enough on a conventional bows but shelf or hand just don't seem feasible to me.What do you folk reckon? Very hungry for you folks wisdom.Come on Bob Burton I trust your opinion.If any one would know I think you would Thanks Osr

From: fdp
Date: 01-Jul-22




I've read accounts of the Asian archers using fletching made from synthetics as well. I've also read accounts of more modern flight shooters Using fletching made from material similar to cellophane as well.

I don't have any personal experience with having done that though.

From: longshot1959
Date: 01-Jul-22




Have you watched Armin Hermer's (Malta Archery) video series on Khatra and Asian bows? He starts from very basic up thru advanced and demonstrates and describes how proper Khatra works. It definitely will give total clearance when done right. It will also greatly reduce arrow spine sensitivity. It can be used on American style bows also to do way with arrow flight problems from the shelf that some experience. The downside is that it takes much practice and dedication to learn and use correctly. It is interesting to study.

From: Osr144
Date: 01-Jul-22




Back in the 1970's I was very fortunate to be able to use a Yumi under instruction.That was my first introduction to one form of khartra.A good release with Yumi's is to allow the bow to rotate in the hand and to have the string facing on your fore arm on the opposite side.That would work but 3 finger mediterianian draw would be hard for me to try I can't get my head around doing that.My thumb is currently injured and thumb release is not happening for a few more weeks.Still worth a try though.I think I use feathers until my khartra is down pat.One poor release and there goes a vane. Just a thought. Osr

From: longshot1959
Date: 02-Jul-22




I practiced the forward/right twist khatra using a 3 finger med draw on a Bear KMag. This bow was always a problem to get good arrow flight from the shelf and required an extremely high nocking point (in my opinion) With some practice, I saw consistent good arrow flight even after dropping the nock point down. I also noted 100% arrow clearance. It was difficult a achieve good Khatra with the deep pistol grip with the wrist already extended somewhat, but was doable. I found that exerting extra pressure with the ring finger and little finger of the bowhand worked well in this case. I acquired an AF Archery Tatar that I was going to try with 3 finger draw but the limb is pretty twisted and I don't dare draw it! Just my ramblings!

From: fdp
Date: 02-Jul-22




As longshot noted most western style bows don't lend themselves well to that type of shooting.

From: Osr144
Date: 02-Jul-22




The twisted limb thing can be a real bummer.Carefully working on them can sometimes bring them back to life.My Cravotta bros took About 2 weeks to straighten but came good. Osr





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