From: stykbowman
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Date: 21-May-22 |
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This is the first chance I had to get a speed test on my new Miller Sage. 66" 48#@27" 570 grain woody 11.8 GPP. average speed 147. I think that is a pretty good speed for a no glass bow. I did not figure out the kinetic energy yet, I believe it will be fine.
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From: Gray Goose Shaft
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Date: 21-May-22 |
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Tim Baker had a baseline speed, the draw weight plus 100. You are right there and with almost 12 gpp.
Can you post a picture of that new Miller Sage?
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From: Jim
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Date: 21-May-22 |
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Question, why such a heavy grain weight?
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From: George D. Stout
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Date: 21-May-22 |
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They are nice bows for sure, but I can't abide those hatchet head handles. I think your speed is just fine and I also shoot arrows about that gpp out of my selfbows and laminated longbows.
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From: fdp
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Date: 21-May-22 |
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Just keep in mind momentum is a product of speed.
Too little speed causes a decrease in momentum.
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From: Babysaph
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Date: 21-May-22 |
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Yep more speed more momentum
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From: Papadeerhtr
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Date: 21-May-22 |
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Sweet looking bow, I'll take quiet over speed anyway!
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From: stykbowman
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Date: 21-May-22 |
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This Sage set up is whisper quit without any silencers of any kind!
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From: Jim
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Date: 21-May-22 |
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Outstanding bow!
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From: Bassmaster
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Date: 22-May-22 |
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If it is a really well made bow which it looks to be a 480 gr. arrow with a skinny FF string should get you 10 to 15 fps over the Tim Baker formula which would be my choice for that bow, but what ever works for you.
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From: Smokey
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Date: 22-May-22 |
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Very nice and fast natural ASL!you have a perfect set up for for whatever you plan to hunt or shoot at.
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From: Don T. Lewis
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Date: 22-May-22 |
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Nice looking bow. Good luck with it.
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From: stykbowman
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Date: 22-May-22 |
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This is such a fun bow to shoot.
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From: reddogge
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Date: 22-May-22 |
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I've never chronographed a single bow since 1955. I can easily tell if a bow is shooting "about right" for me and never worry about it.
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From: bradsmith2010santafe
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Date: 22-May-22 |
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I like both schools of thought ,, no chronograph works,, I am curious and have learned alot from using it as well,, I just enjoy shooting,, if the bow shoots an arrow through the deer,,,its bout right,, you dont need a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing,,
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From: Corax_latrans
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Date: 02-Sep-22 |
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“ Tim Baker had a baseline speed, the draw weight plus 100. ”
I believe Hill bows provided the same rule of thumb, but that only works if you assume a constant arrow mass of let’s say 500 gr. That would be 150 fps for a 10 GPP arrow from a #50 bow (and I suppose you’d have to likewise assume a specific, standard DL).
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From: shade mt
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Date: 03-Sep-22 |
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I grew out of the whole speed thing a number of years ago.. (chuckle)..im sure that will stir the pot!!
actually its not true..sort of.
fast bows are nice, better trajectory, momentum etc...
But i really do like a light, well made,smooth drawing ,whisper quiet ASL, with a light soft thump at the shot..(low whistle)..Speed is not why i choose one.
that miller is a nice bow.
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From: fdp
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Date: 03-Sep-22 |
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Kinetic energy is 27.34ftlbs.
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From: reddogge
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Date: 03-Sep-22 |
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I'm not much on measuring speed but if an arrow affects my gaps then I have a problem. My good friend made me 6 beautiful woodies which all are around 575 grains. When shot out of a 47# bow which usually shoots 465 grain carbons I had to shoot a 25 yard gap at 20 yards, a 30 yard gap at 25 yards, and a 40 yard gap at 30 yards. They probably would work fine as hunting arrows and short range but not for 3-D.
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From: Corax_latrans
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Date: 04-Sep-22 |
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Nothing at all wrong with preferring a fast arrow. I passed up a lot of shots at deer and Elk in the 30-35 range back when I was shooting 2018s. Whitetails, shots rarely need to be long, Mulies & Elk can be a bit more demanding when it comes to reach.
And of course there was that day that I found myself 15 yards from a real wall-hanger of a bull….. without a license in my pocket ’cuz I had filled my cow tag on opening morning. Always the wrong tag in my pocket it seems. SMH
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 14-Sep-22 |
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"Yep more speed more momentum"
Given the same arrow weight, yes. Lowering arrow weight for more speed from the same bow, nope.
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From: stykbowman
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Date: 14-Sep-22 |
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With all my 50+ years of longbow shooting and hunting. The H. Hill method always worked for me. I don't gap shoot so that isn't an issue, sharp 2 blade broad heads and shooting at practical distances 20-25 yards never failed me. I know the wheely bow, and some others get all worked up over speed. If it isn't broke don't fix it.
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From: Longcruise
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Date: 15-Sep-22 |
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An issue with speed is that the faster the arrow upon impact, the more resistance to initial penetration. Some of those light arrow at extreme speed from a wheel bow can't match the penetration of a heavy two blade from a pokey old ASL.
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From: Arvin
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Date: 15-Sep-22 |
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Well I think speed and arrow weight should Meet in the middle. Minimum 500 gr arrow in 45-50 pound bow. A bow capable of shooting that arrow at a speed of 170-180 FPS.. I shot a wildebeest at 20 yds with a Osage selfbow 51 pounds. 570 grain arrow . 13” of Penetration in the shoulder. It got the job done. Probably would have gone thru a whitetail. Now for target shooting a 450 gr arrow thru the same bow would be a good setup. Just an opinion. Arvin
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From: Bigdog 21
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Date: 15-Sep-22 |
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Nice setup I always shoot for 10 gr per pound of bow wt. And sharp 2 blade.
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