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Footed wood arrow discusion

Messages posted to thread:
JusPassin 05-May-22
Jim Davis 05-May-22
aromakr 05-May-22
Todd the archer 05-May-22
Bill Rickvalsky 05-May-22
Andy Man 05-May-22
Snag 05-May-22
Jon Stewart 05-May-22
aromakr 05-May-22
Corax_latrans 05-May-22
Jim Davis 05-May-22
JusPassin 05-May-22
M60gunner 05-May-22
aromakr 05-May-22
aromakr 05-May-22
aromakr 05-May-22
aromakr 05-May-22
Corax_latrans 05-May-22
the Black Spot 05-May-22
Jon Stewart 06-May-22
JusPassin 06-May-22
aromakr 06-May-22
mgmicky 06-May-22
aromakr 06-May-22
JusPassin 06-May-22
mgmicky 06-May-22
Jim Davis 06-May-22
aromakr 06-May-22
mgmicky 06-May-22
Jim Davis 06-May-22
M60gunner 06-May-22
mgmicky 06-May-22
Corax_latrans 06-May-22
Bob Rowlands 07-May-22
trad_bowhunter1965 07-May-22
Osr144 10-May-22
Osr144 11-May-22
From: JusPassin
Date: 05-May-22




Usually folks see footed shafts and are pretty fond of them.

We all know they are supposed to strengthen the arrow tips. But how about appearance?

There are a variety of ways to build them. The 4 winged method is likely the most well known, and it is attractive, but a challenge to make without special jigs.

Less common is the two winged version. It is easily made without the special jigs and is still good looking.

And least of all is the single scarf joint. Very easy to do, but perhaps the least attractive.

I don't think any argument can be made against the strength of any of them. I have tried shooting them into concrete walls. They of course shatter, but the glue joints never once have been the weak point.

How many of you make and/or shoot footed wood arrows?

From: Jim Davis
Date: 05-May-22

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From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 05-May-22




Bruce:

I have shot nothing but footed arrows since about 1990. I love them, also made them commercially for over 25 years. One thing I learned is, its difficult to make close weights unless you weigh each foot in each dozen and group them. I fixed that problem by going to laminated woods like actionwood and Dymondwood, the weight uniformity is extremely close.

Bob

From: Todd the archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 05-May-22




Who all makes them for sale? Just got me an ASL and would like to pair it with some wood arrows.

From: Bill Rickvalsky
Date: 05-May-22




I usually simulate somewhat the appearance of a footing by the way I stain my shafts when I make up my wood arrows. I would really like to attempt some real footings one of these days. I'll have to Google some tutorials.

From: Andy Man
Date: 05-May-22




I used to slit them and put in a hard wood strip like a self nock kinda deal

somebody used that circuit board stuff

From: Snag Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 05-May-22




Archery Past sells footed shafts.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 05-May-22

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They are a labor love for sure. The top one is unique. The bottom one is my carp fishing arrow.

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 05-May-22




Todd: Try "Gray Goose Arrows" in Mesa Arizona he is the one that bought my business and is doing a really great job. \ Bob

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 05-May-22




I will be well and truly damned if I can figure out how you guys get that spiral effect. Seems like it must take some mighty powerful black magic to do that!!

From: Jim Davis
Date: 05-May-22




Did the spiral by accident one time. Sanding the spinning arrow and it heated and twisted.

From: JusPassin
Date: 05-May-22




Good reminder Jim, I forgot about the repair arrow as a footing idea.

From: M60gunner
Date: 05-May-22




Making footed arrows has been one of those projects that just seems to have not gotten off the ground for me. I even have one of those jigs that 3R sells. Don’t know if the foot would save the arrows around our rocks but they look cool. Maybe now that the “winter visitors” are leaving I can find space at our woodshop to make some. Just got me 2 Dozen Cedars from Wapiti, spine and weight matched, beautiful shafts.

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 05-May-22

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Here is one I did just for kicks/giggles. Bob

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 05-May-22

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Here is the other end

Bob

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 05-May-22




Here is another!

Bob

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 05-May-22

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Here is another!

Bob

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 05-May-22




Well, now you’re just showin’ off….

LOL. That is pretty incredibly cool, Bob!

From: the Black Spot
Date: 05-May-22




Very nice!

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 06-May-22




Geez Jim Davis. I tell everyone that it is carefully chiseled, lol.

Yup that spiral happens when you spin the shaft while sanding and it gets warm and twists.

From: JusPassin
Date: 06-May-22

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We all get carried away sometimes Bob. This is all done with scarf joints.

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 06-May-22




You bet Bruce! half the fun is experimenting with different things.

Bob

From: mgmicky
Date: 06-May-22




Those are great looking arrows guys. For those of you that use the dymondwood or similar laminates, where do you buy the dowels to make the footings?

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 06-May-22




Mike: I didn't use dowels, I cut 3/8" square pieces and turned them round after gluing to the shaft.

Bob

From: JusPassin
Date: 06-May-22




Same as Bob.

From: mgmicky
Date: 06-May-22




For those of us that don’t have the tools or know how, is there a place to buy the laminates already cut as a 11/32 dowel? I did a quick google search and did not find anything…

From: Jim Davis
Date: 06-May-22




MG, it's more fuss to match up two round pieces than to work down a square to match a round, at least IMO...

From: aromakr Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 06-May-22




MG: I agree with Jim, glue the square on first, then using a block plane you just start cutting off corners until its almost round. Its easier to keep the shaft straight that way. If your plane blade is sharp the task will go quickly. then chuck the shaft in a drill and finish turning with sandpaper until its round and the size you want. If you make a sanding "book" two pieces of wood hinged together with hole and sand paper, you can make them any size you want and keep them uniform. Bob

From: mgmicky
Date: 06-May-22




Ok, I appreciate the input on the block plane. I was thinking about buying one of those German tools that does nock and point tapers as well as hollow out sections for making the footings. I thought this might work well with a dymondwood like dowel…

From: Jim Davis
Date: 06-May-22




I don't think "one of those German tools" which shall remain nameless, would help to work down a footing.

From: M60gunner
Date: 06-May-22




Lee-Neilson has the plane you need. Not cheap but the A2 blade holds an edge. For the price of that unnamed tool you can almost buy the “Scropion “ from “Traditional Archery Products”. That and the special blade for your table saw will run about $700. I have watched his video a few times. Makes cutting the shaft a two minute job. Ya, I thought real hard about buying the setup, choose the 3R jig for a $100 bucks.

From: mgmicky
Date: 06-May-22

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This one

From: Corax_latrans
Date: 06-May-22




Isn’t there a guy in the US who sells wood footings that just glue onto a standard taper?

I think you could buy a lot of those footings for $100.

LOL.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 07-May-22




Corax, Jim Davis, the second poster on this thread, sells reparrows. Those are reparrows in the photo.

From: trad_bowhunter1965 Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 07-May-22




I use the Arrow-fix a lot to repair arrow it works awesome paid for itself. I will have to try some hard wood footing.

From: Osr144
Date: 10-May-22




Long time absent due to family health problems Great to be back. Finally making more footed arrows. Australian silky oak on Douglas fir.Great to see Bobs work and others too .I recently scored some more Douglas fir and some Baltic pine.That comment about weight and spine consistency is so true. One batch I made a few years ago of 360 shafts only gave me 4 sets of matched spine and weight arrows. They shot good.I have lots of odds and ends and these will match other shafts in my next batch.I recently discovered Manchu arrows and whilst these are not footed they have tanged arrow heads. These tangs are about 1/8 "dia and up too 6' long.The shafts are then bound with a silk wrap of about 2' behind the point.I made one and shot it into a cinder block . I also tried one of my footed arrows.The Manchu style tanged arrow was a lot stronger.Who would have thought. Cheers Osr

From: Osr144
Date: 11-May-22

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My current batch





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