Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Are you shooting a real longbow.

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Babysaph 16-Jan-22
Bill Rickvalsky 16-Jan-22
Dave Lay 16-Jan-22
Jim 16-Jan-22
TradToTheBone 16-Jan-22
Longcruise 16-Jan-22
[email protected] 16-Jan-22
Riverwolf 16-Jan-22
fdp 16-Jan-22
Woodchucker 16-Jan-22
Don T. Lewis 16-Jan-22
Chas 16-Jan-22
Thumper 16-Jan-22
tradmt 16-Jan-22
George D. Stout 16-Jan-22
White Falcon 16-Jan-22
bluesman 16-Jan-22
Bob Rowlands 16-Jan-22
bluesman 16-Jan-22
Andy Man 16-Jan-22
bodymanbowyer 16-Jan-22
Andy Man 16-Jan-22
Draven 16-Jan-22
Don T. Lewis 16-Jan-22
Danny Pyle 16-Jan-22
Orion 16-Jan-22
Doc Pain 16-Jan-22
A Tag 16-Jan-22
bentstick54 16-Jan-22
RonG 16-Jan-22
Bill Rickvalsky 16-Jan-22
Fritz 16-Jan-22
Fritz 16-Jan-22
Wayne Hess 16-Jan-22
hvac tech 16-Jan-22
grizz 16-Jan-22
eddie c 16-Jan-22
bodymanbowyer 16-Jan-22
hawkeye in PA 16-Jan-22
Jegs.mi 16-Jan-22
David McLendon 16-Jan-22
David McLendon 16-Jan-22
Jon Stewart 16-Jan-22
kennym 16-Jan-22
Will tell 16-Jan-22
David McLendon 16-Jan-22
PORTAGEMA3 16-Jan-22
Catskills 16-Jan-22
Pdiddly2 16-Jan-22
BowAholic 16-Jan-22
Catskills 16-Jan-22
Phil 16-Jan-22
Wudstix 16-Jan-22
Mike E 16-Jan-22
Bob Rowlands 16-Jan-22
Stix 16-Jan-22
Dartwick 16-Jan-22
Treeman 16-Jan-22
Babysaph 16-Jan-22
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A Tag 16-Jan-22
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Draven 16-Jan-22
Stix 16-Jan-22
John Sullins 16-Jan-22
Mike E 16-Jan-22
babysaph 16-Jan-22
bluesman 17-Jan-22
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Draven 17-Jan-22
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From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




Don’t be nasty but we had an interesting question at our archery club the other day. Some guys came in shooting takedown longbows and one of the guys in our group muttered under his breath that the guy might as well be shooting a recurve. He went on to explain to me that a real longbow is not centershot nor has any reflex deflex in the limbs. I told him that I thought the definition of a longbow was that the string couldn’t touch the limbs. The guy in our group use to shoot an ASL style longbow. He hunts with a crossbow lol. What’s my point? Just trying to see what you guys think

From: Bill Rickvalsky
Date: 16-Jan-22




Well this question ought to generate a bunch of opinions. And there probably won't be any conclusions come of it.

It depends on whether you are concerned about competition or not. For competitive purposes organizations define what their criteria is. I have seen the definition you describe. Another test is if a straightedge placed on the back of the bow when strung touches more than one point as you move it up and down. If it does then it has some recurve to it.

Then there is just a whole bunch of opinions out there about what is a "real longbow". Just like there is a whole bunch of opinions on what is "traditional".

From: Dave Lay Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Jan-22




Hang on….. I need to make up some popcorn

From: Jim Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Jan-22




Dave Lay me too!!!

From: TradToTheBone
Date: 16-Jan-22




I don’t care how others define what I shoot. I shoot what I like.

From: Longcruise
Date: 16-Jan-22




Just another minor splinter in the evolutionary tree of archery equipment that got it's start thousands of years ago.

May as well be arguing about the relative evolutionary merits of the amoeba over the paramecium..... or vice versa. :^)

From: [email protected]
Date: 16-Jan-22




Not a real long bow, just a sorta long bow. Two main ways to measure the right length:

1: You should be able to reach your fanny pack and slide it to the tailgate when it ends up at the front of the truck bed.

2: You can put a limb tip on your toe and rest your binoculars on the other for glassing

From: Riverwolf
Date: 16-Jan-22




?insti???d?r......;^)))

From: fdp
Date: 16-Jan-22




The definition of a Longbow is kind if in the name. It is long.

Even in Hills time he talked about bowyers making ASL's with recurves ends. No mention of centershot, no mention of whether the string does or doesn't touch the limbs, no mention of deflex/reflex having any bearing on the definition. It just ain't that hard.

From: Woodchucker Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




Not that I really care, nor does it matter, but it’s pretty easy to just have 3 categories. Longbows, hybrids, and recurves. Shouldn’t hurt anybody’s feelings and pretty accurate.

Longbow: deep cored straight limbed bow. String follow, straight, or backset

Hybrid: flat reflex/deflex limbs. String doesn’t touch the limb beyond the nocks

Recurve: well, a recurve…

From: Don T. Lewis
Date: 16-Jan-22




Well I think only a real long bow shooter can answer that question correctly;) I already have my pop corn. I’m sure they will be along shortly to answer this.

From: Chas
Date: 16-Jan-22

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Jack, did you ask your buddy at the club what the acronym ASL stands for?? haha

This should stir the pot a little more-

Webster's definition..

From: Thumper Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Jan-22




I think the guy muttering at your club is a butthole, and if he has something to say he should speak louder. Makes for a lot easier debate that way.

From: tradmt
Date: 16-Jan-22




Only on Tuesday.

From: George D. Stout
Date: 16-Jan-22




And what will become of society if we can't get a consensus? I suspect nothing will happen. Can't we get some more original questions on here? This one is like asking "how high is up".

From: White Falcon
Date: 16-Jan-22

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and...............

From: bluesman
Date: 16-Jan-22




Predictable

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 16-Jan-22




Man ther would be some GOOD fishing to be had with that can a crawlers.

From: bluesman
Date: 16-Jan-22




A few Years ago I walked into an archery range with my JENNINGS model T compound , and taking a break from shooting was a group of young archers with their short new compounds , One of them looked at the JENNINGS and said , “ man that sure is a LONG BOW !!!!!

And there you have the definitive answer… lol …. Really ?????

The above is a fictional account … just like this thread ….

From: Andy Man
Date: 16-Jan-22




by my definition yes!

"Long and lean sexy shooting machiene "

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 16-Jan-22




My longbows are 66-70" long. A 58- 64" longbow is ,,,,short. JF

From: Andy Man
Date: 16-Jan-22

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From: Draven
Date: 16-Jan-22




I will stir the pot and say the hybrids are not longbows.

From: Don T. Lewis
Date: 16-Jan-22




Ha Ha White Falcon. Yes the can has already been open. And some wonder why we stray from archery only threads some time. George how far is up anyhow? I guess that depends on what mountain your hunting on that day;)

From: Danny Pyle
Date: 16-Jan-22




A guy I shoot with says they are modified longbows.

From: Orion Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 16-Jan-22




Glunt x 2

From: Doc Pain
Date: 16-Jan-22




All I’ve shot since covid began is a virtual longbow

From: A Tag
Date: 16-Jan-22




Dang it. I thought I was a longbow shooter but my favorite bow is only 64”

From: bentstick54
Date: 16-Jan-22




1st we must define what long is. 60”, 70”, 80” ?

From: RonG
Date: 16-Jan-22




Not even going there!!!!!

If you don't know by now you never will.

From: Bill Rickvalsky
Date: 16-Jan-22




I guess I just barely squeaked in there with my two Chinooks at 66".

From: Fritz
Date: 16-Jan-22




I didn’t even have to look to see who started this pot stirring thread.

From: Fritz
Date: 16-Jan-22




I didn’t even have to look to see who started this pot stirring thread.

From: Wayne Hess
Date: 16-Jan-22




Will this survey ever get the right Answer, I like this You like that ??????? Baby you should know better?

From: hvac tech
Date: 16-Jan-22




Fritz you got right . Remember no rules broken as usual .

From: grizz
Date: 16-Jan-22




I don’t even call my hybrids longbows, I call them hybrids. But why the hell would anybody care.

From: eddie c
Date: 16-Jan-22




To me it's the same as the guy with a bamboo fly rod for trout telling me that my Walmart fly rod that I use to catch bluegill isn't a fly rod. I don't care, I'm having fun catching bluegill.

From: bodymanbowyer
Date: 16-Jan-22

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A Short,, Longbow ? JF

From: hawkeye in PA
Date: 16-Jan-22




Shouldn't a longbow shooters height be in the equation??

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22

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No need to change the definition of a longbow now maybe this is why we are seeing kilts at 3-d shoot's........ I've seen the same argument made by a self bow shooter

From: David McLendon
Date: 16-Jan-22




Not something I really worry about. But I was wondering what the topic of the next trolling thread would be. Now I know.

From: David McLendon
Date: 16-Jan-22




Not something I really worry about. But I was wondering what the topic of the next trolling thread would be. Now I know.

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 16-Jan-22




OK, I will bite. Describe a fake longbow.

From: kennym
Date: 16-Jan-22




There are so many definitions ...

Some days I'm not sure and other days I just don't know (or care)

LOL

From: Will tell
Date: 16-Jan-22

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I'm not sure about my longbows but I use a real popcorn popper. : )

From: David McLendon
Date: 16-Jan-22




I realize that I have never seen a real popcorn popper, so this thread is not a waste after all. Thanks

From: PORTAGEMA3
Date: 16-Jan-22




so some guy says ....once again.. imaginary gossip

From: Catskills
Date: 16-Jan-22




I think in medieval Britain it was supposed to be at least as tall as the archer.

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 16-Jan-22




How many angels can dance on the head of a pin???

From: BowAholic
Date: 16-Jan-22

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yes...

From: Catskills
Date: 16-Jan-22




Re BowAholic, Crocodile Dundee: ......THIS is a longbow

From: Phil
Date: 16-Jan-22

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if your bow doesn't look like one of these .... then it isn't a longbow .... sorry but we got here first about a thousand years ago ... :) :)

From: Wudstix Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




I shoot MOAB, Big River 21st century clone, and Kota "Badlands", so I'm not sure. What was the question?

From: Mike E
Date: 16-Jan-22




Good point Phil.

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 16-Jan-22




I see a big pile of English twinkie sticks. ha

From: Stix
Date: 16-Jan-22




This is why the anti-hunters have so much success against hunters. We can't even agree on what a longbow is.

Bottom line is... WHY DOES IT MATTER?

Walk away from those devisive situations and conversations and try to understand there's more that unites us than divides us.

From: Dartwick
Date: 16-Jan-22




English Longbow is a thing.

From: Treeman
Date: 16-Jan-22




The Bear Montana American Flatbow doesn't have much of a ring to it.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




Well of course guys you can shoot what you like lol. I was just asking about the definition of a longbow.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




Well what is long? What is the length have to be for it so be a longbow.? Who decides that?

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




Ok. I’m learning. An ASL can have recurved limbs and has to be long.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




Soa hybrid is not a longbow? Recurve,longbow, and hybrids. Ok. So hybrids will have their own class at shoots?

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




No it’s not a fictional story but I have figured out that there is no true definition of a longbow. Everyone has their own definition.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




Yep no rules broken lol. And whoever said that the question will never be answered is right. No one knows what the length really is. Just long. And it can be a takedown and have recurved tips. And be centershot. And whoever has the shoot can decide what a longbow is. Got it lol

From: Adam Howard
Date: 16-Jan-22




Man I wish we could use emoji’s !!!! (Lol) but seriously

From: Adam Howard
Date: 16-Jan-22




Man I wish we could use emoji’s !!!! (Lol) but seriously

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




And for the record it doesn’t matter and I don’t care. I have my own definition and you have yours. And we cant agree. Lol. And a hybrid longbow at 60 inches is a longbow.

From: A Tag
Date: 16-Jan-22




It’s 2022 a bow can identify as anything it wants to be now.

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




The real question is how does your bow self identify. Is it a recurve that thinks it's a long bow? Is it a fake longbow.... hybrid that wishes it was born a recurve? Something to ponder for sure.......

From: pondscum2
Date: 16-Jan-22




so if i carve a crossbow out of a single piece of hickory, i can shoot it in the selfbow class?

From: Draven
Date: 16-Jan-22




Babysaph. Read below:

22.5.LONGBOW DIVISION

For the Longbow Division, the following items are permitted: 22.5.1.

The bow shall correspond to the traditional form (shape) of a longbow (or American Flat Bow) conforming to a limb design that when strung the bowstring shall not touch any other part of the bow but the string nocks. The bow may be a two piece take- down, having two sections of similar length (take-down within the grip/arrow rest area), and may be made from any material or combination of materials. The shape of the grip (grip area only) is not restricted and center-shot is allowed. The bow shall be free from protrusions, sights or sight marks, marks or blemishes or laminated pieces (within the bow window area) which could be of use in aiming. 22.5.1.1.

For U21 and women, the bow shall be not less than 150cm in length; for men, the bow shall be not less than 160cm in length – this length being measured on a strung bow between the string nocks all along the outside (back) of the limbs.

From: Stix
Date: 16-Jan-22




And the answer that wins the prize is:

"It’s 2022 a bow can identify as anything it wants to be now."

From: John Sullins
Date: 16-Jan-22




I love this sport. I will never understand why so many want to judge others and sometimes complain about what they shoot. Why does anyone care if a person shoots a self bow, a long bow, or recurve. Why does anyone care if their buddy shoots a metal ILF riser or a Howard Hill type longbow. It is all really the same, pull back the string and let it fly. Even many of the local 3D events have stupid rules that serve no useful purpose. Let's let everyone shoot what they want and stop the useless griping. Shoot the best you can with what you choose to shoot. If you happen to be shooting a 3D event and someone beats you using a 3 piece riser with longbow limbs, and you think their score was better because of the bow and not thier talent, get your hands on a similar bow and see if your score goes up. Maybe you will shoot better, maybe you won't. But either way, what difference does it really make.............none, they are both fun to shoot.

From: Mike E
Date: 16-Jan-22




Real Longbows? Been looking for an hour still can't find their website.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 16-Jan-22




Draven. So who's rules are those? They can change from shoot to shoot. But I agree. No 3 piece takedowns. I have heard some definitions that the bow can not be centershot. There are a bunch of definitions. And John Sullins is right. Who cares what you shoot? Aaaah but some people do. Some people think if you shoot a tricked out recurve you have an advantage. I say beat me with what you shoot. I can take it. My point is that some organizations do put parameters on what guys shoot. They must think some bows are more advantageous than others. But I have learned from this threat that it doesn't matter.

From: bluesman
Date: 17-Jan-22




Reductio ad absurdum , which is the answer to most of the threads started by the ambulance chaser .

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




Bluesman you have hate in your heart. But I don’t mind

From: Geezer
Date: 17-Jan-22




The D long bows are slower than the hybrids. The hybrids are prettier, more graceful, and often much lighter, 1 pound or less. Quality hybrids are fast due to modern materials. Hybrids have locator grips like a recurve but much less pronounced.

I shoot a 64" hybrid for the speed, ease of shooting, the weight, the graceful lines and looks.

From: Geezer
Date: 17-Jan-22




The D long bows are slower than the hybrids. The hybrids are prettier, more graceful, and often much lighter, 1 pound or less. Quality hybrids are fast due to modern materials. Hybrids have locator grips like a recurve but much less pronounced.

I shoot a 64" hybrid for the speed, ease of shooting, the weight, the graceful lines and looks. T know Bluesman, but he does seem a tad hostile.

From: bluesman
Date: 17-Jan-22




Not at all , I just know what your about . You will continue to post these type of threads. That do not contribute to sharing knowledge and enjoyable experiences in traditional archery . You seem to crave controversy , not sure why . The more debate and dividing , the better in your books . You don’t believe people and ask for photos etc etc … The proverbial pot stirrer to keep it polite .

From: Todd the archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 17-Jan-22




A real long would be the original long bow which is the English style long bow made from all wood, Long and narrow with a deep core and shoot off the hand. Everything else is a modified derivative of this. Even when Howard Hill developed his style though he gave it a new term American semi long bow to differentiate that from the English “original“ long bow.

From: Fritz
Date: 17-Jan-22




X2 Bluesman

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 17-Jan-22




X3 Bluesman

From: Draven
Date: 17-Jan-22




Those are the World Archery rules

From: GUTPILEPA
Date: 17-Jan-22




X4 Bluesman

From: Jon Stewart
Date: 17-Jan-22

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I have a photo of him bow hunting.

From: Phil
Date: 17-Jan-22

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longbow ... been that way for a thousand years

From: Phil
Date: 17-Jan-22




Those who know .. know. Those who don't .. don't matter

From: Kevin Dill
Date: 17-Jan-22




I've been hunting with non-binary bows for many years.

From: reddogge
Date: 17-Jan-22




X5 Bluesman.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




Bluesman you have the perfect name lol. No harm. I don’t post left wing right wing stuff or pics of my bow against a tree. If you really read my thread it’s actually just asking what the definition of a longbow is. Lots of answers really. Want me to start posting my name on the thread like Asbirinbuster did so you don’t have to waste your time opening it? But some of you guys say you can tell my threads before you open them but you open them anyway. I think you actually love it hehe

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




And one last thing. I don’t divide anyone. You do that yourself. I’ll back out now and see if I can find out the definition of a longbow so I can see if I can shoot my recurve in the longbow class at shoots lol.

From: Babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




Btw I agree with Todd The Archer. There was an English longbow and what HH shot. And then hybrids

From: CHICKENFOOT
Date: 17-Jan-22




If your fillings fall out when you shoot its a real long bow!

From: Draven
Date: 17-Jan-22




Babysaph, I've gave you the class in which you CAN'T shoot your recurve in longbow class.

From: Downcanyon
Date: 17-Jan-22




Keep those longbow guys in the north 40 and stay completely clear of them. They obviously enjoy their own company!!! LOL

From: Downcanyon
Date: 17-Jan-22




I don't even think Monte Browning would want to hang out with those snobs.....

From: Pdiddly2
Date: 17-Jan-22




bluesman X5

BS is just a rabble-rouser that posts for the sole purpose of generating silly debate about silly subjects...no one learns anything, no knowledge is shared, it just sows division and rancour... he's poking a hornet's nest with a stick just to watch other people get stung.

He then plays the innocent when called out, proving that Denial ain't just a river in Egypt!

Then accuses others of having issues, which is classic deflection...

From: GUTPILEPA
Date: 17-Jan-22




Yes I do it's a reflex Deflex and it's a real LONGBOW!!!

From: Downcanyon
Date: 17-Jan-22




My old pal Chip Green AKA CM Sackett would have settled this debate right off the bat. Whatever happened to him anyway?

From: Draven
Date: 17-Jan-22




"If you really read my thread it’s actually just asking what the definition of a longbow is"

Not true. You used your imaginary friend to pick on "real" longbow definition. Tell us what's the "Real" tooth between incisor, canine, premolar and we'll tell you what the "real" longbow is.

From: Bowlim
Date: 17-Jan-22




We are starting to reap the benefits of abusing language, in real time these days...

" I told him that I thought the definition of a longbow was that the string couldn’t touch the limbs."

Historically that definition occurred to set classes in tournaments, it doesn't even work there, and there are lots of other definitions floating around. And it is silly, because you can pull 100% of the technical cheating within that definition. So they had to come up with the string to limb closeness rule. And the center shot rule that also gets scabbed on, and has nothing to do with longbows. Degrees of center shot occur in all bow types, including cross bows.

Inherently, long bows are any bow whose method of dealing with the ratio of OAL length to draw length, all else equal, is by adjusting only the length of the bow. So when the new bows came along and they could be made in lengths like the Shrew (people love them), you know something is being stretched along with the truth.

But we live in a world swimming with interesting definitions.

From: Downcanyon
Date: 17-Jan-22

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Mike Fedora Jr did a good job of solving the debate a long time ago. He produced the "ultra mountain longbow". An extreme reflex hybrid design with offset tips so the string would not touch the limbs at brace height. A very good shooter as well. I owned one for a while and wouldn't have sold it if it wasn't left-handed.

From: Uncle Lijiah
Date: 17-Jan-22




When I used to get the Quick's Archery catalog, I got the idea that the Brits didn't consider anything but the English longbow to be a true longbow. The other straight limb bows were referred to as American flatbows.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




P. not much to learn anymore. Besides lots of guys look at the posts. I am not in denial. I admit I made the post. Lets all get in a circle and sing Kumbaya. LOL. Draven your definition is not univeral and clubs can make the rules.. Just don't read the posts. That is easy enough.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




Draven Not an imaginary friend. I will send you his name if you like. But you are saying you don't believe. I don't believe half the stuff I read on here. Like lots of guys talk about all the stuff they kill and never show any proof. Its all good.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




downcanyon. Yep then that is a longbow.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




Remember when AMO meant something? Now guys use their own measurements and definitions to suit themselves. Same with bow classes.

From: Tedd
Date: 17-Jan-22




Crap, I was just thinking about trying a machined riser bow, but now I don't want to be seen w that! Question - At the same time the English were shooting their war bow, didn't the native Americans have short sinew backed bows? And the Turkish recurve?

Tedd

From: Draven
Date: 17-Jan-22




"Draven your definition is not univeral and clubs can make the rules."

Who cares what the clubs are saying? In an event sanctioned by WA your personal longbow definition should fit their description to be able to shoot it. At this moment you are just bored-and somehow you are missing meaningless debates in your life. Buying that property is THIS stressful?

From: Jegs.mi Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




Consider the thread on the archery club closing. Then ask yourself how exclusive you want to define everything. There's a shoot near me around the same time as Compton. There rules are self bow with wooden arrows only. They had 3 shooters. I have shot a English longbow and wanted very much to like it . With all due respect to Phill and the history behind the bow. I certainly think the ASL is an improvement and like wise for a hybrid. If you are shooting what you like who cares?

From: Bernie Bjorklund
Date: 17-Jan-22

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I just bought a Bear Montana today and to me it's a great longbow!

Bernie

From: Draven
Date: 17-Jan-22




PS You were saying you want to make your own 3D shoot. What "real" longbow means for others it is meaningless since you will decide what "real longbow" it is.

From: babysaph Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 17-Jan-22




Yep. You made my point. and nice longbow Bernie

From: RonL
Date: 17-Jan-22




Phil I have to take exception to the 1,000 years. Otzi had what “I” would call a longbow. And I believe they go back thousands of years before. But an English longbow is a beautiful thing.

RonL

From: savage1
Date: 17-Jan-22




You guys are a funny bunch no doubt.

Everyone knows long is in the eye of the beholder.

From: kennym
Date: 17-Jan-22




"Everyone knows long is in the eye of the beholder."

LMAO - good one Luis

From: lost run
Date: 17-Jan-22




The guy that made the bow and later sold it to me said it was a longbow.

From: TGbow
Date: 17-Jan-22




I may be wrong but...I've noticed looking at photos of bows found in Egypt and other parts of the world, there has been various designs of longbows through out the centuries. D shape, mild reflex deflex to even more radical designs. It is subjective, unless you are defining longbows based on the American modern archery era.

From: Phil
Date: 18-Jan-22




.... aynd af for lengyth .... the bewe of ewe fhall beof the heite of a man wyth a fystmele addad .... (William Cowper 1551)

From: Phil
Date: 18-Jan-22




translation ... and as for length ... the bow of Yew shall be of the height of a man with a fistmele added ... William Cowper (pronounced Cooper)

From: Jeff Durnell
Date: 18-Jan-22




Wow, his spelling was terrible :^)

From: Andy Man
Date: 18-Jan-22




thought maybe Cat wrote that from the beyond

From: Bob Rowlands
Date: 18-Jan-22




ha

From: 2 bears
Date: 18-Jan-22




It must be real. The instructions said not to shoot at people. It is not a toy. :^) >>>----> Ken

From: RonL
Date: 18-Jan-22




Phil, and that explains why I have not read The Canterbury Tales in the original text.

RonL

From: Sawtooth (Original) Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Jan-22




Andy man that was priceless. :)





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