I was told these will be available soon?

Well, I guess they have been out of the business for a while after the Razorhead (Which still works just fine) and have decided to go back to making a solid longbow/recurve head. Looks like a single bevel Zwickey to me. Anyone out there know who will be making these for Bear?

-Bones

I'm going to have to buy a few to try out.

Is it just me? Or does that broad head adapter look to be a bit beefier on the bottom where the back of the broad head sits? I never used single bevels. Are they easier to sharpen then double bevel heads? Do you think they will be better then the Bear Greenies? Maybe the price will come down on the old Bear heads now. ;)

Looks interesting ,owner what weight they'll come in

nice!!!

I will try a pack out if they come without the insert. I guess it will depend on who their marketing their new head to.

Hopefully made in the USA but not holding my breath for that……ha

Looks well-made and heavier than 125 grains

looks kinda like a Cutthroat.

Was told they will be offered in single and double bevels

If they do make a double bevel in a glue on I'd give them a try.

;)

Looks like a Cutthroat indeed, I wonder if that’s who is making them? Look decent anyway but I still prefer a Grizzly/Tuffhead profile.

I do find single bevels to sharpen quite easily, don’t think they are any ‘easier’ but they are ‘more sharp’ than a double no doubt.

***wheels turning....I'm thinking of forging an eyelet--inline spinners harness for the sleeve and a treble hook attachment to keep in "me pocket" ;^))

I can see vast weight tweaking adjustments with the way that core insert is designed . ......

I want some

Looks like it could be a glue-on or screw-in

I like the double bevel better and will probably try them if they’re not over priced.

I don’t really understand why it would matter if they came with inserts. Nobody makes you use them.

Maybe finally someone is paying attention at Bear Archery. Maybe we will see some old recurve styles come back to life. Like the Bear Minute Man with modern limb material. Can you imagine!?;)

Like an ILF rig Minuteman so you could have long bow or recurve limbs. WOW!

my guess, about $300 a dozen

I'm happy with the old greenies I got

Don...first things first.....A "upgraded" MONTANA !!!!!;^)))))

...maybe get some of these as well ;)

Sure look. Like zwickeys to me

Looks nice but I am with you sagebrush !!!!

"I can see vast weight tweaking adjustments with the way that core insert is designed . ......"

Yeah that's a great idea. Can use different weights of adapters.

I think Cutthroats are made by VPA? I use cutthroats. Only have half a dozen but they are indestructible. Probably won't ever need anymore. Shoot thru everything, including Moose.

And yes, I think single bevels are sharper.

Made in China.

Upper $60’s per 3.

The old Bear Razorheads and Super Razorheads have worked just fine for me for 60 yrs!

...The general shape looks to follow the Razorhead design, just addressing the weakest link ...those rivets and snap-in blades.

imho, the SS razors are the toughest over the previous designs. (pictured above). But a solid 1 piece design should be even tougher . Everything looks to improve strength and penetration from tip to tip.

.....I like what I'm seeing .

That's okay, that leaves more of the old ones available for guys like me. Enjoy.

So , the forward end of the insert is threaded. Does that mean they will screw into the head. Whatever , it is a good looking head.

I think the razor insert blades were the best part of the old ones! Big holes and copious short blood trails! I have a witetail vertabrae with a Razorhead stuck clean through the center spinal cord hole...Bleeder blade intact! That one didn't go anywhere!

Good looking head. Anybody know the length and width?

I'd be willing to give them a go depending on weight and price. I still have one unused pack of the old greenies.

Can’t be a Bear head. Where’s the chisel point?

Comes with 3 different weight adapters making 175, 200 and 250 grain heads, I believe.

I got a 1lb coffee can, at a sale a few years ago, in the UP, for 5.oo filled with the old Razorheads,,,,, still a great head,,,

Bear is getting into the premium broadhead market.Why not good for them.

There will be a market for them just because they have Bear stamped on them, and price don't seem to even faze some folks so that likely isn't an issue either. I can lose any head, so it's better for me to lose a $3.00 head versus one that costs well more than twice that. Fact is, they all do the very same thing. Enjoy.

Yep, none can argue they "all" have proved themselves to be more than enough to get the job done. Those are facts;)

but..I for one love to see Bear ever changing in a good way. Old models, New woods . New models . New quality products . This looks to me to be a very well made/designed broadhead. Mix the old with the New. "Heed the call". ....My SS Razors are ever increasingly harder to obtain . So I for one will add.."GOOD FOR THEM"!!!..NOW ,,about that Montana upgrade . ;)))

Looks like a great head but I don’t like that they’re made in China??

Look good, hope they do well. But I will not give 20.00 a head for any broadhead.

Ralph you need your own signature Montana!! Lol.

175 is point on for my setup ;^)

Anyone know where we might get a look at the info being shared ?

They look good, but as Grizz stated, I will not pay $20.00 for a head that may end up under duff in the woods. I will stick with my Zwicky's and Razorheads, maybe Ace's.

Yeah, I'd like to know more about these, and couldn't find anything, Google wise, like the head weight options

Kelly , where are you and Boker getting this info ? Inside scoop or ?

Those are a good looking broadhead. I bet the heads are the same weight and by changing that screw insert, it'll allow you to change the weights. That's a slick idea,and if you wanted to make them permanent. You could just JB weld them in place. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for these.

They debuted at the ATA Trade show this last weekend.

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Sorry, tried to imbed a picture but didn’t work. The 3 pack includes broadheads, adapters and matching field points. Even the field points will screw into just like broadheads.

Interesting; and I would be interested! But how much interest will depend upon the price. Too content with the Ace and Zwicky to shell out a lot. But I do like the concept and appearance, I may be inclined to dig a little deeper.

Tony, No way someone can build such and have adapters like this and come close to broadheads without adapters or simple aluminum adapters due to machining /material/manufacturing/labor cost ....I look forward to the offerings and trying some ;)

Thanks for the info Kelly !

The RazorCap 3 blade by Phil Mueller is the same principal.Different weight screw-in adapters.

Anything would be an improvement over the old Razorheads....

Chinese, and premium price? No thanks.

They strike out completely for me, but I'm sure the nostalgic types or the new folks will buy them up. Not like they won't work.

All these heads are glue on if you desire. They will weigh in at 150.

....I must be a nostalgic Newbie ;^)))))

They'll never be as good as the old ones !!

Cool concept but hard pass for me.

Tough crowd eh ....Why do we feel the "need" to publicly put down what isn't our "cup of tea" ? I know I have heard many conversation(in my short few years on this Big Blue;) wishing Bear Archery would bring back or build "ANEW" when talking broadheads...

Yeah, tnx for the info, any more information,or pic's are appreciated, I like looking at the new stuff, looking like a good head to me

isn't "your" cup of tea....I feel younger already;^)))

So it looks like the broadhead screws on to the adapter. No glue needed? And you can take it off then screw a supplied field point on to the adapter? Thats a good idea. Someone will probably swag an aluminum shaft and thread it. Or make carbon arrow inserts one pc w threaded tips? Lots of potential. The only thing that needs to be criticized here is that they are not made in USA. (according to another poster) but half of you already complained about the price and you don't even know what the price is. Whats with the hate? There is no doubt these new ones would spin truer than the old stamped and welded ones. Coffee can full of cheap razor heads? Yeah Old Fred probably profited more per head than they do with these. And they weren't anything special. Lots of friction on that ferrule. I remember rusted spring steel bleeder.. Also read that Fred said the Razor head would fly good enough at 1 1/2" width so the never made a wider one. Fortunatley the industry has all types of heads for all types of shooters. These look pretty good. Make them in USA.

~wouldn't fly good enough

Where does it say these are the new Bear RazorHeads ?

A ferrel with both ends threaded is nothing New. Nothing New under the sun, BUT....this is a version I have not seen before .The beefy ferrel HIDDEN within the blade design locking in at both ends. Most everyone else has a lot of exposeure with that joint . Muzzy-wasp and others have had threaded tips using a double ended threads before. This is out of the box thinking . I like what I see ;)

Going to get me some of those when they become available.

I can't think they are willing to invest the $$ into holding dimensional tolerances to keep both threads running true to each other. And if the internal thread has any burr on it, the ferrule will kick inside the taper.

$69.99 pk of 3

These are the single bevel ones, same price.

So why would anyone want to fool with that instead of just removing the whole head and using a regular field point?

What's the "point" in that?

I don't see the historically cheap Razorhead crowd lining up for these at $70 a 3 pack.

But again, someone will find them fitting for their style.

I have a video taken at the Trophy Ridge Booth but can’t figure out how to post it.

I have a video taken at the Trophy Ridge Booth but can’t figure out how to post it.

Yeah Thumper, I and many others have been doing that for decades using the aluminum and steel adapters and now they have some brass ones so many different weight combinations can be achieved.

So screw the head on your screw-in adapter? :(

SB...that would be much more structuarlly sound in my book than a simple glue on, and ...you still have a option to actually add some glue like barge or hot melt to fast that joint. Also leaving a option to later use directly on wood shafts without the insert. As for target points and such...Just unscrew the entire point and adapter and screw in your usual target-blunt-judo points;^)This target point system would be welcome option by many to match the broadhead weight. ....Thumper...maybe skip over threads that you find irrelevant or of no "positive" interest in ?

Thanks for adding the pictures and info Kelly !!

I just love this. Many of you bust on Bear year after year for not producing anymore Razorheads. The Razorheads are gone. FOREVER. Fred's contraption that made them is either gone or broken (depending on who you believe).

So Bear listens to the 'trad' shooters and brings to market a broadhead/fieldpoint/adapter combo that should meet MOST hunters needs and some of you STILL bust Bear's chops. Good grief!

Yes I think they are a little expensive. Yes I think they should be made here in the USA. But you know what? They are trying. Give 'em a little credit. Might be a good head.

If I was head of an archery manufacturing company, I sure as heck wouldn't listen to this forum. Because there is no making you folks happy.

Sure there is...just start making the Super Razorhead again! Would have to be cheaper than tooling up for this abomination!

And the Super Razorhead would be made in China and none of you would be happy.

Thing about Bear is they're not quitting on us, they keep moving forward. Brought back some old classic bows, the Montana seems to have a decent following, they brought in Chuck Adams and now a premium BH. Honestly some folks would bitch if ya hung 'em with new rope. I say good for Bear.

Mike E X2.

Someone told me bear is importing these from overseas but not sure.

On the pricey for me, but I might would try the single bevels...

check the prices on other makes of broadheads,,, the price is very close to each other,,

Nope, not even close. Woodsman original 60.00 for 6, Ace standard 36.00 for 6, Ace Super express 55.00 for 6, Zwickey Eskimos 38.00 a six pack and so on. Lots of good heads for far less.

I think it’s fine that Bear came out with some new heads. Never said a word against Bear Archery. Just said I wouldn’t pay that much for any broadhead, Bears or ANY other company. I’m a fan of Bear Archery, they have stayed behind traditional bowhunters with a bigger line of traditional bows than any other company. You can read whatever you want into others comments apparently.

The reason for the cost is that all the components are included in the kit. Hopefully Bear will eventually sell individual components which should make these very comparable in cost. These are a well thought out design and appear to me like they will be pretty tough.

Grizz X2

These are for a specific market...the newer generation, not us old farts stuck in the time warp. These folks have the money to just pay whatever the cost is so it's no big deal to them, so it is what many have been asking for; just not for everyone. You don't need to call out people who don't agree or even have negative feelings about them; everyone is entitled to their opinion whether you like it or not...just keep reading. It also appears that some people just come in half way through the thread, and don't read any previous posts which may be helpful to them, but that's also normal here.

I don't think anything will change here but at the least let folks say what they feel and believe and don't take it so damn personal. Most people really don't care one way or another and some of us will never buy broadheads that cost as much as a good hunting knife. All Bear is doing is working for a market, that's what good manufacturers do.

My .02 cents as a product designer, they look nice. Not sure that the point system is not a bit gimmicky. If they sold them as individual components and they weigh around 150 grains I might give them a shot. A big thing will be how well they take an edge. Some import steels just won’t apex and align properly along the edge compared to what most of us are used to working with.

I'm glad they are thinking about making heads again I would buy them myself if they were made here. eBay has 12 Chinese broadheads for 20 dollars if that is what you want to hunt with. Very clever marketing I bet they clean up on them.

I actually sometimes just post my thoughts and don’t read a lot of the previous responses. I don’t need anyone to tell me how to respond. If I wanted that broadhead I would buy it. But it really doesn’t do anything any other cut on impact head does so I shoot what I have. New technology is nice but to me this isn’t new.. but guys will buy and the will make em and quit making old ones that work.

Lets be honest they could be Chinese made crap, hard to sharpen, don't fly worth a darn. And some guys will buy and use them just because it says Bear archery on it.

Grizz X3.

Honestly, These "if" priced as above shows...Is in a medium market . Some of the Woodsman offerings run slightly higher..The new stainless W.W=s$75X3..The elite WW=$70X3

GermanJager $30x3...Bear with "adapter" $70x3 "if" as posted .

Lots of broadheads priced well over Wodsman and Bears New offerings .

Purchase what you have confidence in and can afford and move along ;)

Well said Riverwolf. I can not imagine spending $70 for 3 broadheads. That is money I could waste on something else. LOL.

I'll just kep shooting my "Greenies,blackies,and Bluies"! Its ALL the same!

going backwards in technology and paying the same price? not for me. Also, more lost deer.

I think the threaded ferrel and adapter is ingenus... I assume you can buy the different weight adapters separately?

I like the green ones...

I wish Howatt made a head. Then ya might have something! :)

I would be interested in their take on why the went with this design.

Silverhawk,s What am I missing, why is going "backwards in technology?"

Same group of negatives feel a need to hurl senseless, factless, propaganda ...Why ? There is always a motive "if" one digs deep enough. Not worth the effort....It would be nice to have constructive conversation without such rhetoric spewed by the few that feel the need to do so....

Riverwolf, Sad but true.

I'm sure you could understand the sentiment if you worked in manufacturing.

I won't give my thoughts on these heads or the new near quiver they are offering. However since many have asked and there seems to be some confusion....

These broadheads and components, as well as the new bear quiver, are imported products. All it took was a 1-minute phone call to Bear customer service to confirm this. Their words exactly...

"Unfortunately no, they are not made in the US. Bear is having them made overseas and importing them"

I read they were 46 Rockwell C hardness. Sounds rather soft.

These? Vs Ace?

No contest…Ace was making quality heads BEFORE the original Bear Razorheads.

Ace was far better before, better during and better now!

And still made in North America by people who care and provide an excellent product with even better service, even to Canada!

Good grief..........Feed the machine Pete & all the others doing exactly the same type actions . Who in hades compared these to anyone else's broadhead ? Just those that have issues with Bear archery or what they perceive as a threat to one THEY LIKE. Calling something -"inferior"--of lower grade , weak before you have tested or even know the facts is childish at best. If you feel the need , and have a "balanced", even, fair testing medium/perimeter down the road when they are ""AVAILABLE""...please....feel free to do so. This thread wasn't started as a broadhead comparison thread.....It was shared for those interested to share and obtain what"little" information is available.

All the added rhetoric makes about as much sense as ol. Jed "thinking" he knows what I have and haven't done for a living in manufacturing and retail.....There is another guy on here that just likes to cause arguments for attention . Stand in line .....

Looks ingenious to me. Way too expensive for me, but assuming they are tough, looks like a pretty slick design.

I still like the looks and design, price is competitive with many of the new ones, and it’s certainly causing a stir. Like most others I have plenty of good broadheads. But I have them because I too can get caught up in the excitement of something new. I’ll probably wait a year to hear what others think. But if I really needed some heads I might be inclined to try these, depending upon my thoughts at the time. I always look with a little lust at the new stuff is coming out. Be looking and listening to folks after the next Deer season! Lol

Just throwing this out there but bear definitely doesn’t want folks sharing they aren’t made in the USA. They done deleted comments and guys from the bear archery page on Facebook for mentioning it.

I rather buy American made products however I understand business but I don’t like the fact they would delete folks for pointing out facts. Not good Bear archery.

There will be knock offs of these Bear broadheads all over eBay soon enough,happens every time you share your knowledge/designs with other not so good places! $7.99 fer 25 heads made in the same factory………….:-)

Boker... Spot on. None of the "Bear Guys" who sell and push their products on Facebook pages will say where they are made and are indeed deleting comments about them. I have no comment on my thoughts about it other than they need to be transparent about the material, hardness, steel type, and where they are made. Why? Because consumers want to know.

I simply called Bear Archery and asked nicely "Are they made in the US?". Their response of "unfortunately no" was telling. They chose profit margins over quality materials and being made in the US.

Anyone who likes them and will enjoy them should buy them up. It's a free market.

SaddleHill**I won't give my thoughts on these heads or the new near quiver they are offering. However....telling...yes it is...

OK , I'll play....fact is , IF a person or company wants to manufacture knife blades / broadheads (of their specifications)FACTS are that China/Japan are setup to handle this easily . USA ...not so much without a larger investment.They have access to the metal- tooling-factories to produce that product....quickly....

Very few ...VERY FEW metal products are 100% USA .from the steel -to manufacturing - to the finish work -then onto retail....Some part of that is almost always connected to accross the pond hands.

I've seen many of the same people comeout against German products .

Hell, I knew from ""MY""experiance that German made steel was as good as you could get way back in the 60's and still rings true today.

What I am seeing is a small group of you relentless on casting negativity upon this company . If you can't prove it inferior , then find "something" to complain about and run with it eh....

On the deleting comments .....just like on this site. SOME of that negativity needs removed . Just like this threads relentless interruptions of such.

Do I hear the same group attacking retailers for not listing everything they sell to the finest detail of abroad hands in on the product or some form of production ?(THAT goes for all products, not just steel) With a world market these discussions get quite tiresome....

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