Check out the new 3rivers catalog. I bet Hoty will sell a bunch of these SATORI ilf bows .

I like my Hoyt Excel. Bet this is no better, and mine was less then $200.

BOX CALL,

The cost is right in line with TradTech and Morrison.

I'll be they sell a ton of them too, Bob. I don't know why it took Hoyt so long to get into the ILF hunting bow market. No doubt this will be the end of the Buffalo, Tiburon, Dorado and GameMaster II.

I see a couple 21" risers in my future. :^)

I'll wait for the Jinster review

deerhunter51,

I can assure you, there will be no comparison between these new risers and the Excel.

From the look of it, it is almost exactly what I have been looking for.

I'll be trying to get in line for at least the riser in 21".

Rick

DROOL !!!!!

Rick

Question is now... What color interests you guys? They have A LOT of options there (not to mention lengths).

[[[ 3R Shooter asked: "Question is now... What color interests you guys? They have A LOT of options there (not to mention lengths)." ]]]

Johnathan, I personally don't care about any colors other than a nice blackout, or maybe a nice camo of some kind. As far as lengths are concerned, I'm betting you better have all the options open for that.

Rick

At least they're not shy about quoting the price...BOLD flaming colors. It will be interesting to see the cost of riser alone.

Black in color 15 inch and a 17 inch would be perfect! That looks like my perfect riser!

OD green would be nice. Where are they made?

Will the large grip fit on the Buffalo?

Well... I just got in touch with my Hoyt dealer. I've got two 21" risers in the works. Here's what the dealer emailed me.

"All of the traditional bows are discontinued and have been since September. Going forward, this will be the only one they have, offered in 3 different lengths and obviously the different limb configurations."

I pre-ordered mine already...in the buckskin brown color. 19" riser with medium limbs. I loved the Buffalo. People knocked it but it shot better than most bows double the price. This model being ILF will be even better.

Jim Castro,, are you saying the excel is better or this new design. Curous ,snce know nothing about the ilf style bows. What does ilf stand for,? Something like international limb something , I think.

I loved the simplicity of the Buffalo. I'd rather my riser not have lateral adjustment, but I can see a 17" Satori in my future.

I wish I could see the numbers to confirm...but I'd bet that Hoyt sells more Satori risers in the first quarter of 2017 than total Buffaloes during its entire run.

The Satori riser appears as though Hoyt read all the complaints from the message boards on the Buffalo and followed up with the perfect answer. Good on them.

Crow,

ILF=International Limb Fitting

Limbs from a zillion manufacturers will fit ILF risers.

I'm saying this new Satori riser will be far superior to that entry level Excel.

Oh... and the name is Casto, not CastRo. Gee Whiz! If I had a dollar for every time that happened, I could buy a barrel full of Satori's. 8^)

Casto is wearing on me.....liking the 21" version too......something about great minds thinking alike :))))))))))

Mmmmm 21" , black, lefty ... Heck yeah ....

Bout time Hoyt !

Anyone know the price of just the riser yet?

It's in the ad in the 3R catalog. MSRP $449.99 for the riser and that includes the case, and different side plates.

Hopefully, you can read this. May have to magnify it.

I like it and I'll bet Hoyt is gonna kill it with this new riser. Their metal risers have always been well designed and shoot great. The adjustable side plate is nice too.

Got it. Thanks Jim. The only thing keeping me from buying a hoyt before was the formula system. Glad they saw the light finally.

What ever happened to the sage advice, "Try it before you buy it"? :>) Who is making these bows for Hoyt and where?

I guess it's made in the same place the Dorado, GameMaster II's and all their Olympic line and Compound device line is made.

As for the sage advice. I've had the Nomad, Dorado, Excel, GameMaster II, Excel, Avalon, Radian and a few other risers. I don't need to try before I buy. I'm convinced this will be a very nice riser.

Experience with a companies products should eliminate the try before you buy advice. I can't find out where any of their bows are made, and this post is the only mention I see of this model.

To my knowledge, Hoty and Matthews are the only two companies that make EVERYTHING in house. The Hoyt factory is in Salt Lake City.

Here's a little snip-it.

https://vimeo.com/26358960

Whats the best riser length for forgiveness. I dont really understand the reason for diff riser lengths except it affects the working limb. Fkr some reason my instinct tells me get the shorter riser and longer limbs. Give me some professional input here. Thanks

Gee Whiz, Phil! Where's the edit button?

Should have been HOYT, not Hoty... and... I wanted to add. They make everything in house except the aluminum billets.

Crow,

Hoyt's new Satori riser is available in 17", 19" and 21" lengths.

Currently you can get ILF limbs in extra short, short, medium, long and extra long... and I wouldn't be surprised if some custom guys would build extra extra shorts and extra extra longs.

I'll post a chart I made some time ago. Some guys find it helpful and it will show you the different length bows you have have with different length limbs.

As for reason's? It's all about what you're using the bow for and your personal preferences. Some guys that hunt in blinds want a 56" or 58" bow. Some guys with long draw lengths who shoot field archery may want a 70" or 72" bow. Then, there's everything between.

Thanks Jim. I knew Jim Belcher took over the Matthews/Sky/Hoyt line. I didn't know if something similar happened to the HOYT recurve line. I hope they are an exceptional bow for those of you that are salivating over it!

lol lol

Salivating may be a bit strong.... but CLOSE! 8^)

I might want to jump on this band wagon. Anybody need a brand new R.H. Dorado riser?? Its never had a limb on it! :)

Good, now that some folks will kick their fine trad tech and dalla riser to the curb, in favor of this new, whiter brighter riser, there should be there should be some good buys out there before long.

bwd,

I certainly agree. I'm looking the Dorado, GameMaster II, Buffalo and Tiburon used market to TANK. I really feel for dealers who've have several in stock. My guess is they'll have to unload them at a considerable loss.

Have been thinking of trying an ILF setup but have absolutely no experience in that area. Been reading all the posts but I'm curious as to why everyone is, apparently, assuming it's going to be a great bow. Just hit the market and I would think most would like some feedback from the early purchasers before plunking down $800. Why do you think it's going to be a good buy right off the bat?

Along with Stykmans question, is their a reason why you guys are choosing the 21" riser? What are pros and cons to the different lengths? Is their really a difference between a 17 and 22" riser? Just asking because I'm more into the compact lengths for tree stand and blind purposes.

I've got a 17" and a 21" morrison, so I'm covered. They do look nice though.

We can safely assume it will be a great riser because the Buffalo (I owned one for 4 years) and Tiburon were great risers with a couple of flaws, mainly they only accepted the Hoyt Formula limbs, not ILF. This riser will do that so it's a huge game changer.

To those unfamiliar with ILF riser and limb lengths, here's my method on choosing what.

First choose your limb based on your draw length. Short for under 27", Medium for 27-29", Long for over 29". These figures are arbitrary BTW. This allows the limbs to work most efficiently.

Then match up the limb length to the riser length to achieve the finished length of bow you want to shoot based on your intended use. ie: Medium limbs on a 19" riser gives you a 62" bow and so on.

It's not an exact science but has always worked for me. I'm a medium limb guy and I own risers of 17", 19", 21" and 25" for different purposes. HTH.

http://hoyt.com/traditional-recurve-limbs/carbon-x-tour-limbs http://hoyt.com/traditional-recurve-limbs/satori-limbs http://hoyt.com/traditional-recurves/satori

Looking forward to seeing some reviews. I have owned a couple Tiburons and they shot very well and fast! But always lacked in certain areas. Happy to see they are ILF. A 19" riser with medium limbs is definitely my size bow. Wonder how their carbon/bamboo limbs will be and also price? Is this riser machined or Cast like the buffalo, Tiburon?

Skramer12, bamboo carbon limbs are the Carbon X-tours. Target versions are $790 at Lancaster. They also have a review on YouTube of the limbs. Satori limbs are only available in short or medium. I only buy long limbs so this is no good for me. I will just stick with Hoyt target risers and limbs.

I like the looks of the green riser. Box Call, my Carroll's has a brace of about 8 3/4" when it's shooting its best.

Hoyt calls that color Buckskin and in other photos I've seen it is brown looking. Here it looks greenish.

Sort of has an industrial look to it. Glad Hoyt finally saw the light, well maybe money, and decided to produce a hunting length ilf riser. Looks quite well done, regardless.

It looks good; I would love to shoot one.

Forward grip takes higher brace.

I had a browning satori

It's going to be a big winner and I see them flying off the shelves.

I saw on the Hoyt site that this riser uses "the original Earl Hoyt dovetail system" Please tell me this is in fact ILF...

ILF = International Limb Fitting

Watch this video; it will answer your question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60FNI7Y_TtY&feature=youtu.be

Oops! Sorry. I misread your post. Yes the Hoyt Dovetail System (HDS) is ILF.

Will the after market grips that fit on the buffalo and tiburon fit the satori riser?

Looks like a great riser. I'm hoping it takes normal Hoyt grips so people have more options.

No. It's my understanding it uses the target grips; same type/size that fits the Ion-X, HPX, RX, GPX, GMX, Formula Excel Pro, Horizon Pro, Formula Excel, Horizon and Excel

Well to be honest I like the looks of my Dorado better so... it's on it's way to see Loc for a retrofit to ILF:)

Jim,

That opens a lot of options, like Jager grips.

Steve,

If you like your ILF'd Dorado half as much as I do, you'll be impressed. jonhdo does fabulous work.

JRW,

I've got two of his medium 2.0 Best grips; one on the Dorado and one on a Morrison. They fit me perfectly.

I love my Jonhdo Dorado. You wont be disappointed in it. No bushing swaps!

Rob..

Rob that bow looks fantastic. What rest do you have on it?

Steve, it's an AAE free flyte. Tim Wells. Model. I also use the Champion II and a shibuya DX plunger, with great results.

Rob..

Side ways pics..Grrrr :(

KY Rob, do you use that Tim wells signature rest for hunting? How do you like it? Thanks!

Sam, i do use it to hunt with. I shoot 3D with it as well. I put a small piece of velcro on the tip of the back spring to keep the arrow from clinking. I use the heat shrink with target shooting. It tunes up easy and stays put. Very adjustable rest. I like it better than the Spig ZT.

Rob..

Forgive my ignorance, but with custom trad bows, so much attention is paid to the grip and just how it fits the hand for repeatability. When I look at metal ILF risers, (I say look, because I have not shot one), the grip seems pretty generic and there isn't much talk about them. What gives? With custom wood bows, grip is almost paramount. With metal ILF risers there's a lot more talk about limbs and limb choices. Are the grips that good on metal ILF risers? They don't look very comforting compared to a checkered Silvertip... please enlighten me.

ProAlpine, That is a good question for 3R Shooter. The description says that the new removable grip is wider than the previous Hoyt grips.

There are aftermarket grips for a number of metal ILF risers. When the grip is plastic, some guys use epoxy putty to shape the grip to their liking. Or you can make your own grip with two side pieces and one in the middle and sand to your liking.

ProAlpine,

You just touched on one of the best things about these risers. If you don't like the grip, you just switch it out for a different one. You don't have to buy a whole new bow, send it back to get reworked, or go after it with a rasp and files.

I see some people have them ordered. I want one. 3Rs is not taking orders yet. I guess I should call Hoyt.

Anyone know of mail order other than 3R?

Luis,

you may want to give John Wert at TradTech Archery (Lancaster) a call. Although I suspect he's at the ATA show right now.

Last I talked with my Hoyt dealer, they didn't even have their wholesale price list. My guess is, since it was just "launched" Monday, Hoyt folks will get back in the office next week to get everything in order to start taking orders. Those of us that are eager will most likely have to exercise some patience.

Thank you.

The grip is wider in the sense that what you have in your hand is wider than past Hoyt grips. I am afraid I am not sure if other Hoyt grips will fit it though. I didn't check.

Here at 3Rivers we are taking orders for them. Sorry if someone told you otherwise. We just placed our 'stock' order today.

Just talked to a Hoyt rep, said the recurve high wrist grips will fit, but has a bit of a lip on the shelf side. I have not tried it yet, but that is from Hoyt.

I want one of these really bad.

Best looking metal riser I've seen in a long time, and sure to be one of the most functional ILF's

To bad I'm broke. 8^(

Rick

Just saw this on Eagle Archery's website. Looks like they're a tad bit higher than the ad in 3Rivers catalog:

"Hoyt Archery Carbon X-Tour Limbs Our Price $929.49

Hoyt Archery Satori Recurve Limbs - Medium Our Price $395.99

Hoyt Archery Satori Recurve Limbs - Short Our Price $395.99

Hoyt Archery Satori Recurve Riser Our Price $499.99"

That limb price though.

I'm nowhere near good enough to tell a difference between 900.00 premium limbs and 80.00 used black Max limbs. That's a good thing.

I was looking at the riser on Hoyt's website and if you scroll down to were it shows the carrying case they show the other side of the riser. It looks like the riser is not drilled and taped for the use of a sight/kwikee kwiver. Not that it matters to most.

John

Is it drilled for a quiver?

I'm certain it's drilled and tapped for a quiver and sight...as well as having holes for the Hoyt quiver.

In fact, if you scroll up and look at the Satori pics posted above you can see the amo holes for the sight and quiver.

It could just be the way it looks in the picture

John

I stand corrected. I see them in that picture. Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di1mz7gjOOo

Fred made a slight faux pas in the video and said you could make up to a 64" bow but with long limb on a 21" riser you'd get a 66" bow.

What happened to the cheep bows are great band wagon?

The Satori limbs are short and medium. So the complete bow is only offered up to 64 inches.

I guess Fred is hawking Hoyt limbs but I would venture to guess a larger percentage of limbs put onto that riser won't be Hoyt.

I wonder if they've changed the limb pad angles so the limbs weigh the same on each riser? If that's the case the 21" riser will have a whale of a lot of preload built into it.

Lots of stuff to find out, eh?

Will these new satori limbs fit in my buffalo ?

Nice to see something new in the way of a 21" riser. Anyone have a TAC they are looking to sell in order to get into one of these?

I want one.

Guys; I got a question: For those of you that own or have shot metal riser bows. What in your opinion is different? I have had some really nice recurves in the past; all were wood riser standard takedown bows; a few one piece recurves also. The Satori has peaked my attention; I was thinking about giving the Buffalo a try, but now the Satori is out. I know the ILF system will give several more options in limbs and lengths but how does a metal riser recurve shoot compared to a wood riser recurve? Thanks.

God Bless

There's going to be more tuning options with the Satori. But really what it all boils down to is the ILF option. Because the limbs are going to have alot more RandD dollars into them. I go back and forth from wood one piece bows to ILF aluminum riser bows...I think they really all shoot the same as far as accuracy. ILF bows with cut beyond center risers will allow you to shoot a much larger range of arrow spines and point weights because a twist of the plunger one way or another can take care left or right issues. I prefer shooting off the shelf for simplicity sake when hunting, so the new integrated shelf adjustments on the Satori are a nice feature.

In short...personal preference.

Thanks Gvdocholiday; the Satori looks like it would be a good shooting bow. The riser angle favors the looks of a Palmer. I know Fred hunted with Palmers for years. Another question. Does ILF bows have to be constantly adjusted or does everything stay in place after it's tuned?

Hey Matt, i own a few ilf bows, also the buffalo. Once the bow is tuned, it stays in place. The tillerbolts have integral screws to hold these in the adjusted position. The option to adjust the tiller and the wight is a huge plus. you can adjust it for splitt or 3-under to get a realy quiet setup. A lot of people ,think metal bows are loud, but with a few options you can get them verry quiet. A bit of stringwax on the ilfbushings and a good pair of silencer makes the deal. The wight of a metalriser is a personal thing, i realy like it. The option to shoot of the shelf is also a big plus with the new ilfbows. The older hoyt bows ( gamemaster, dorado ) needs a huge pat of felcro or a rest. Stefan

On my TradTech Galaxy, the set screws can work themselves loose. I carry Allen wrenches and just check them periodically

Put stringwax on your set screws.

Thank you Jim Casto for posting the video. Makes more sense to the discussion for me. It does look like a neat set up!

I just purchased a herters recurve from a friend and it shoots pretty good.

Yesterday I placed my order for a 21" satori in black.

Its all personal preference but with the metal riser I can match the herters performance and I can blow it away too.

Limb options are many. You can try each others limbs before you buy.. You cant borrow black widow limbs and put them on a bob lee. Thats the beauty of ilf.

Thanks fellows for the info. Maybe it want be long before I can get my hands on one. The buckskin looks good.

Kung FU; I completely agree with you and having a good solid hunting bow that your not worried about scratching.

I would love to have one also. I will wait to read some reviews while I am saving. Thanks Bob for starting this post. By the way my Toxocraft shoot awesome. Have a blessed day James.

Bearfingets, no the buffalo limbs will not fit. They are the formula series not ILF.

Ok thanks i just called hoyt and the lady on the phone told me that the limbs would fit my buffalo lol now i am confused..

Ok thanks i just called hoyt and the lady on the phone told me that the limbs would fit my buffalo lol now i am confused..

They made the previously offered recurves obsolete. A call today to Hoyt only found a couple of the older models-buffalo, tiburon's available. All they will soon offer is the satori.

Is there lateral limb adjustment on the Satori riser? I think there is, just making sure. Thanks!

She's a witchy looking woman. Curvy...

and sleek...

I must say, the new Satori looks awesome in the pics. Two years ago I got bit by the ILF bug around this time of year and purchased a Titan II with medium 40# carbon wood limbs. Had a lot of fun toying with the bow's tiller and center shot, but the romantic summer fling came to an end and I went back to first love, r/d exotic wood longbows. Kinda feels like I'm being seduced again. Come to think of it, my wife refers to my bows as the "the other mistress" She has a point you know.

Bearfingets, the lady doesn't know what she's talking about. The Satori is ILF and the Buffalo is Formula. They aren't the same and won't interchange.

Bearfingets,

The lady doesn't know what she's talking about. The Satori is ILF and the Buffalo is Formula. They aren't the same and won't interchange.

I know, I know, I copied his post. Just wanted to clear-up Bearfingets confusion.

8^)

Thanks guys for the info.I appreciate it.

Does anyone know how long it will take to get one of these? I guess I could call 3 Rivers to find out.

No set delivery date I'm afraid. We have our order in though, so should get them with the first shipment they send out.

Matt,

I just officially placed my order with my dealer. They said the RH 21" should be in within two weeks. Said the LH one I ordered may be four weeks. We shall see.

Thanks Jim, that's not bad.

I placed my order Thursday the 12th from 3rivers.

I just talked with my contact at Hoyt. They said it could be as soon as a couple weeks or as long as 4 to 6. They will update me as they find out more.

Someone please post some pictures and a review when you receive it.

I have never shot or owned a metal riser bow; but I am seriously considering giving this one a chance.

Why does Hoytt feel the need to make the logo that big on the limbs? And then they write "TRADITIONAL" in bold.... yuk.

I like the 'Buckskin' riser

, I like the Buckskin too, I'd like the camo limbs, but the advertising is a little too much for me.

I just got an email from my Hoyt dealer. My 21" RH black Satori riser has shipped. Hopefully, I'll have it by the end of the week.

Hope you guys really enjoy the bow. always good to get something new and different to try. I think I read the risers were offered in 17,19 and 21. I like a 58-60" bow and draw 29". Wish they had a 15" as I just hunt 95% of the time.

do you think shorts would draw 29"? I was thinking theyd stack up pretty bad.

I guess it depends on the limbs and where you set the preload. I've got a set of Uukha shorts set at mid-range on my ILF'd Dorado riser (60" bow) and there's no hint of stack at my 29" draw.

I may give em try once I get a ilf riser. I cant afford this new hoyt but I'll keep my eyes out for a 17" one less expensive online. Just grab some cheap limbs to make sure it will work before I shell out some serious money for shorts. serious for me being like a hundred bucks. lmao

Will my widow limbs fit on it?

"babysaph, no Widow limbs will not fit on an ILF riser."

In the words of Rooster Cogburn, "He knowd."

Very well thought-out rig, and of course, they finally saw the light and realized trad. shooters and bowhunters were not ever going to get on board with the formula limb system...

Good for them. A little pricey, but that's how Hoyt rolls.

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