I'm thinking about going the metal riser route What is the pros and cons of each brand

I just recently got my first metal riser trad bow. I went with the DAS Dalaa. It was what my dealer had and I shot it and loved it. It is very quiet and smooth as butter. It shoots an arrow with authority and is very accurate. It is the recurve model with 17 inch riser, 45@28.

Titan hands down........

If going that route I can think of no rationale to not go with an ILF option.

Titan... know several that have ordered das, only to send them back and order a tradtech. No comparison in my eyes.

I've shot both- my buddy has a Das and I bought a use TitanII on the classifieds.

Both are incredibly close in feel and I didn't understand the weight advantage until I shot them better than my wood riser bow.

I give the edge to the Titan only due to the ILF advantage with so many more options/configurations.

There is a fairly new Dalaa for sale on the trading blanket on TradTalk.

Only the Dalaa offers the option of the DAS connection system. You can order it with ILF if you want, but the DAS connection system is inherently quieter and offers a greater range of adjustment. Titan has identical geometry and has lateral limb adjustment, which is useful if you buy a set of limbs that are not straight.

Standard ILF limbs will work in both. If you have the DAS connection system the limb will need a DAS bushing instead of an ILF bushing. Many manufacturers will install the bushing on request, or you can do it yourself. Takes about 10 minutes.

Dalaa has a bump on the shelf that you can shoot off, Titan has a flat shelf, but I believe they sell a bolt on adapter that allow you to shoot off the shelf. Both are set up for an adjustable shelf.

Titan has standard accessory holes drilled in the riser. Dalaa requires an adapter to use AMO accessories. The adapter works very well by the way as it adds the needed space for a quiver/sites to install without interfering with the adjustable rest.

Wide range of grips are available for both as each will accept the other's grips.

Great risers. You should be happy with either one.

I think the ILF is the way to go just because of the choices and off-the-shelf selection. That said, everyone has different thoughts so think it through and see what is best for you.

Had both. Have an I.L.F. Dalaa now. They're both good. The Titan comes with your choice of grip. A grip for the Dalaa is extra.

I'd much rather have the Dalaa! Made right here in America.

The Dalaa's made after I believe after 2010 are AMO ready no adapter needed. This what 3 Rivers told me.

Bulldog, Thanks for the correction.

Titan hands down. No comparison.

I shoot DAS but only for personal reasons. Both the DAS and Titans are nice risers, but look into the Sky risers. They are an ILF riser, and once you look into them, a better riser then the Titan or the DAS. Lots of risers out there to choose from, and it might be to your advantage to research a lil more...

I've owned both, sold the DAS and kept the Titan. You have to pay extra just to get a grip with your DAS now? That's, um...strange.

Net result

DAS with grip is $430.94

Titan with grip $429.99

Thanks everybody I guess I'll wait and see what kind of a deal I can get on each and try to shoot both of them before I decide

toehead...please let sleeping dogs lay! I was a friend of Dave Sosa's, as are a lot of guys around here...

Yep, it amounts to nothing more than archery politics and both are great products from reputable companies.

I've had both. Sold the Titan. Both good risers, but I prefer the DAS. Can't go wrong with either one. This is a Ford/Chevy thing.

Like John, I have owned both. DAS is my choice, the connection seems more secure and a little bit quieter. But they are both fine choices.

toehead, fwiw, I've never noticed the ILF connection system to be louder than any other system. In fact, I've found it very quiet. I respect John Ryan's opinion though, and since he's owned and obviously compared both, and more particularly the DAS and Titan, then maybe he could offer you an opinion on that.

Toehead, Did you get that one on TT. If so, good grab.

Toehead, visit with John on setting that bow up. He's knows some things to do .

Or come see me, I've got a few of them

Gots those too

I prefer the DAS. It is true that you won't make a mistake with either but I prefer the DAS fittings. I've had many sets of limbs that I used on several different risers, both DAS and ILF. I prefer Winex limbs although there are many good limbs available. It took me about 5 minutes to change the ILF fittings to DAS.

W&W Winex. Have used lots of limbs over they years from wood/glass to foam/carbon from lots of manufacturers. Really like Hoyt G3s but that was a while ago. I know I'm not good enough to tell minor differences in most limbs and would be hard pressed to pick Winex from other high end carbon/foams in a blindfold test but I just like the way the Winex shoot for me. And we all know that half of shooting a bow is 90% mental. :)

I have a lefty Das Dalaa from 3rivers. Great bow for the money fast, quiet and very adjustable.

I've got both the 17" and 21" Dalaa risers. Both are DAS connection. I like this system, it's quiet and secure. My brother in law has a Titan. Both are great risers with a very similar feel. You can't go wrong with either.

I just do not care for the BH cuts in the T riser and yes, there was some plagiarizing of the DAS design of the original DAS riser. Where there is no patent's, this happens!

The DASis a super quiet design and has a bit more adjustment than regular ILF. Some say ILF has 10% preload adjustment but that has not been my observation. DAS really doe's give you 10% and ILF is more like 8%.

The DAS has a retention bolt and a rubber cushion which tends to tame resonance and vibration.

I like ILF very well but DAS has some merit.

Toehead, I've had the 17" for several years. I bought it right after 3Rivers offered them in black. With a set of Dryad Epic limbs, it's my main hunting bow. I just bought the 21" used. I got it mainly for 3D shooting. I've been using a 21" warfed Black Bear riser for this. So far I'm loving the 21" Dalaa! It's a little heavier than the 17" but it's better balanced IMO. I never thought I'd find a 21" riser I liked better than the BB, but I did with the Dalaa.

Like said already I doubt you could go wrong w/either.

I had a friend that had a DAS that he shoots well. I really like it but he is a lefty and I am RH.

I looked a long time thinking I wanted a DAS but could never find that perfect used bow. In the mean time I bought a Hoyt Excel riser and a few sets of ILF limbs. I enjoyed shooting them and still do occasionally.

Last year I saw a DAS for sale and it was what I had always wanted in weight55#, length 60" and color black w/camo limbs so I bought it. I also immediately ordered the conversion kit from 3 rivers to allow me to use my ILF limbs on the DAS. Now a year later I never have converted my ILF limbs to the DAS. These standard limbs suit me and I enjoy the bow as is. I am using the flipper rest that was on it but I have no doubt I could swap that out and like that too.

Anyhow, I like my DAS, I am not disappointed at all.

There are a lot of choices in bows. More opinions than bows actually. If you can try before you buy, that is better than asking us. What you get on the net is usually enough to really confuse the issue.

Good luck!

Bill

I have a 17" and 21" DAS and I really like the 21" riser for my longer draw. Both are nice risers though and quiet, as everyone has said. You might want to look at the Phoenix too, as I just noticed it is being offered in ILF or DAS.

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