Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Das or Titan

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gofish 27-Jan-14
Bulldog18 27-Jan-14
Stickbow37 27-Jan-14
JusPassin 27-Jan-14
tpanic41 27-Jan-14
Beendare 27-Jan-14
Okiak 27-Jan-14
K Cummings 27-Jan-14
George D. Stout 27-Jan-14
Clydebow 27-Jan-14
Hiram 27-Jan-14
Bulldog18 27-Jan-14
Okiak 27-Jan-14
K Cummings 27-Jan-14
stykshooter 27-Jan-14
Buglmin 27-Jan-14
monkeyball 27-Jan-14
JRW 27-Jan-14
Okiak 27-Jan-14
gofish 27-Jan-14
toehead 27-Jan-14
Buglmin 27-Jan-14
roger 27-Jan-14
toehead 27-Jan-14
John Ryan 27-Jan-14
Buckster 27-Jan-14
roger 27-Jan-14
Okiak 27-Jan-14
toehead 27-Jan-14
toehead 27-Jan-14
Graysquirrel 27-Jan-14
toehead 27-Jan-14
Graysquirrel 27-Jan-14
Phil Magistro 27-Jan-14
K Cummings 27-Jan-14
Phil Magistro 28-Jan-14
greyghost 28-Jan-14
kmbrown 28-Jan-14
toehead 28-Jan-14
Hiram 28-Jan-14
kmbrown 28-Jan-14
bfisherman11 28-Jan-14
toehead 28-Jan-14
treehermit 28-Jan-14
From: gofish
Date: 27-Jan-14




I'm thinking about going the metal riser route What is the pros and cons of each brand

From: Bulldog18 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




I just recently got my first metal riser trad bow. I went with the DAS Dalaa. It was what my dealer had and I shot it and loved it. It is very quiet and smooth as butter. It shoots an arrow with authority and is very accurate. It is the recurve model with 17 inch riser, 45@28.

From: Stickbow37 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




Titan hands down........

From: JusPassin Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




If going that route I can think of no rationale to not go with an ILF option.

From: tpanic41
Date: 27-Jan-14




Titan... know several that have ordered das, only to send them back and order a tradtech. No comparison in my eyes.

From: Beendare
Date: 27-Jan-14




I've shot both- my buddy has a Das and I bought a use TitanII on the classifieds.

Both are incredibly close in feel and I didn't understand the weight advantage until I shot them better than my wood riser bow.

I give the edge to the Titan only due to the ILF advantage with so many more options/configurations.

From: Okiak
Date: 27-Jan-14




There is a fairly new Dalaa for sale on the trading blanket on TradTalk.

Only the Dalaa offers the option of the DAS connection system. You can order it with ILF if you want, but the DAS connection system is inherently quieter and offers a greater range of adjustment. Titan has identical geometry and has lateral limb adjustment, which is useful if you buy a set of limbs that are not straight.

Standard ILF limbs will work in both. If you have the DAS connection system the limb will need a DAS bushing instead of an ILF bushing. Many manufacturers will install the bushing on request, or you can do it yourself. Takes about 10 minutes.

Dalaa has a bump on the shelf that you can shoot off, Titan has a flat shelf, but I believe they sell a bolt on adapter that allow you to shoot off the shelf. Both are set up for an adjustable shelf.

Titan has standard accessory holes drilled in the riser. Dalaa requires an adapter to use AMO accessories. The adapter works very well by the way as it adds the needed space for a quiver/sites to install without interfering with the adjustable rest.

Wide range of grips are available for both as each will accept the other's grips.

Great risers. You should be happy with either one.

From: K Cummings
Date: 27-Jan-14




Both are nice risers but I'd pick the Titan over the DAS for a number of reasons.

1. The Titan has the ILF connection, whereas the DAS has the DAS connection. In my opinion, the ILF connection is more convenient and it does not require any limb modifications, which can, depending on the limb manufacturer, result in warranty issues.

It is my understanding that the DAS riser is now available with an ILF connection, but as far as I know there is an upcharge to do so.

2. The new Titans have enclosed limb pockets which adds to structural rigidity, not to mention in my opinion is much more attractive.

3. The Titan has Limb Pocket Weighting System available.

4. The Titan has lateral limb adjustment whereas the DAS (with the DAS connection does not)

5. Titan does not come with finger grooves on the front of the riser which I personally find uncomfortable, or the "hump" on the shelf can interfere with the way some people prefer to shoot.

Obviously, opinions will vary but in my opinion the Titan is a more refined riser over all for the same or less money.

KPC

From: George D. Stout Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




I think the ILF is the way to go just because of the choices and off-the-shelf selection. That said, everyone has different thoughts so think it through and see what is best for you.

From: Clydebow
Date: 27-Jan-14




Had both. Have an I.L.F. Dalaa now. They're both good. The Titan comes with your choice of grip. A grip for the Dalaa is extra.

From: Hiram Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




I'd much rather have the Dalaa! Made right here in America.

From: Bulldog18 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




The Dalaa's made after I believe after 2010 are AMO ready no adapter needed. This what 3 Rivers told me.

From: Okiak
Date: 27-Jan-14




Bulldog, Thanks for the correction.

From: K Cummings
Date: 27-Jan-14




The Titan is American made also. Has been since it's introduction.

KPC

From: stykshooter Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 27-Jan-14




Titan hands down. No comparison.

From: Buglmin
Date: 27-Jan-14




I shoot DAS but only for personal reasons. Both the DAS and Titans are nice risers, but look into the Sky risers. They are an ILF riser, and once you look into them, a better riser then the Titan or the DAS. Lots of risers out there to choose from, and it might be to your advantage to research a lil more...

From: monkeyball
Date: 27-Jan-14




Just listed a set of Dalla limbs on the classifieds...great deal!

From: JRW
Date: 27-Jan-14




I've owned both, sold the DAS and kept the Titan. You have to pay extra just to get a grip with your DAS now? That's, um...strange.

From: Okiak
Date: 27-Jan-14




Net result

DAS with grip is $430.94

Titan with grip $429.99

From: gofish
Date: 27-Jan-14




Thanks everybody I guess I'll wait and see what kind of a deal I can get on each and try to shoot both of them before I decide

From: toehead Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




Heard a Titan was a direct reverse engineered riser from the DAS and some other shady stuff went down?

From: Buglmin
Date: 27-Jan-14




toehead...please let sleeping dogs lay! I was a friend of Dave Sosa's, as are a lot of guys around here...

From: roger
Date: 27-Jan-14




Yep, it amounts to nothing more than archery politics and both are great products from reputable companies.

From: toehead Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




Sorry didn't mean to dig up a turd. Was researching both risers since m in the market as well and saw some "interesting" things.

I'm really thinking about getting the 21" DAS and using the limb bushings? To convert to the DAS connections. The Internet research I have done tends to point to the DaS being quieter than the ilf?

From: John Ryan
Date: 27-Jan-14




I've had both. Sold the Titan. Both good risers, but I prefer the DAS. Can't go wrong with either one. This is a Ford/Chevy thing.

From: Buckster
Date: 27-Jan-14




Like John, I have owned both. DAS is my choice, the connection seems more secure and a little bit quieter. But they are both fine choices.

From: roger
Date: 27-Jan-14




toehead, fwiw, I've never noticed the ILF connection system to be louder than any other system. In fact, I've found it very quiet. I respect John Ryan's opinion though, and since he's owned and obviously compared both, and more particularly the DAS and Titan, then maybe he could offer you an opinion on that.

From: Okiak
Date: 27-Jan-14




Toehead, Did you get that one on TT. If so, good grab.

From: toehead Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




Yes sir! 8v) thanks

From: toehead Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




I have a apex riser as well I really like the grip on it. Got a good deal on it off the classifieds.

From: Graysquirrel
Date: 27-Jan-14




Toehead, visit with John on setting that bow up. He's knows some things to do .

Or come see me, I've got a few of them

From: toehead Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 27-Jan-14




I will thank you I appreciate the offer. I need to get some arrows too per John's recommendation.

From: Graysquirrel
Date: 27-Jan-14




Gots those too

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 27-Jan-14




I prefer the DAS. It is true that you won't make a mistake with either but I prefer the DAS fittings. I've had many sets of limbs that I used on several different risers, both DAS and ILF. I prefer Winex limbs although there are many good limbs available. It took me about 5 minutes to change the ILF fittings to DAS.

From: K Cummings
Date: 27-Jan-14




Phil:

What limbs are you currently shooting on your DAS?

KPC

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 28-Jan-14




W&W Winex. Have used lots of limbs over they years from wood/glass to foam/carbon from lots of manufacturers. Really like Hoyt G3s but that was a while ago. I know I'm not good enough to tell minor differences in most limbs and would be hard pressed to pick Winex from other high end carbon/foams in a blindfold test but I just like the way the Winex shoot for me. And we all know that half of shooting a bow is 90% mental. :)

From: greyghost
Date: 28-Jan-14




I have a lefty Das Dalaa from 3rivers. Great bow for the money fast, quiet and very adjustable.

From: kmbrown
Date: 28-Jan-14




I've got both the 17" and 21" Dalaa risers. Both are DAS connection. I like this system, it's quiet and secure. My brother in law has a Titan. Both are great risers with a very similar feel. You can't go wrong with either.

From: toehead Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 28-Jan-14




How does he 17" compare to the 21"

From: Hiram Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 28-Jan-14




I just do not care for the BH cuts in the T riser and yes, there was some plagiarizing of the DAS design of the original DAS riser. Where there is no patent's, this happens!

The DASis a super quiet design and has a bit more adjustment than regular ILF. Some say ILF has 10% preload adjustment but that has not been my observation. DAS really doe's give you 10% and ILF is more like 8%.

The DAS has a retention bolt and a rubber cushion which tends to tame resonance and vibration.

I like ILF very well but DAS has some merit.

From: kmbrown
Date: 28-Jan-14




Toehead, I've had the 17" for several years. I bought it right after 3Rivers offered them in black. With a set of Dryad Epic limbs, it's my main hunting bow. I just bought the 21" used. I got it mainly for 3D shooting. I've been using a 21" warfed Black Bear riser for this. So far I'm loving the 21" Dalaa! It's a little heavier than the 17" but it's better balanced IMO. I never thought I'd find a 21" riser I liked better than the BB, but I did with the Dalaa.

From: bfisherman11 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 28-Jan-14




Like said already I doubt you could go wrong w/either.

I had a friend that had a DAS that he shoots well. I really like it but he is a lefty and I am RH.

I looked a long time thinking I wanted a DAS but could never find that perfect used bow. In the mean time I bought a Hoyt Excel riser and a few sets of ILF limbs. I enjoyed shooting them and still do occasionally.

Last year I saw a DAS for sale and it was what I had always wanted in weight55#, length 60" and color black w/camo limbs so I bought it. I also immediately ordered the conversion kit from 3 rivers to allow me to use my ILF limbs on the DAS. Now a year later I never have converted my ILF limbs to the DAS. These standard limbs suit me and I enjoy the bow as is. I am using the flipper rest that was on it but I have no doubt I could swap that out and like that too.

Anyhow, I like my DAS, I am not disappointed at all.

There are a lot of choices in bows. More opinions than bows actually. If you can try before you buy, that is better than asking us. What you get on the net is usually enough to really confuse the issue.

Good luck!

Bill

From: toehead Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 28-Jan-14




Thanks Bill. I'm excited to experiment with the dAS and a couple of warfed risers.

From: treehermit
Date: 28-Jan-14




I have a 17" and 21" DAS and I really like the 21" riser for my longer draw. Both are nice risers though and quiet, as everyone has said. You might want to look at the Phoenix too, as I just noticed it is being offered in ILF or DAS.





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