Traditional Archery Discussions on the Leatherwall


Gamemaster Jet, Jack Howard Recurve?

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MedicineBow 15-Nov-09
Viper 15-Nov-09
GLF 15-Nov-09
Andyman 15-Nov-09
oldbow 15-Nov-09
Viper 15-Nov-09
oldbow 15-Nov-09
McK 15-Nov-09
oldbow 15-Nov-09
Phil Magistro 15-Nov-09
Cody R 15-Nov-09
bowdoc 15-Nov-09
Phil Magistro 15-Nov-09
Phil Magistro 15-Nov-09
Andyman 15-Nov-09
3arrows 15-Nov-09
grizzley21 15-Nov-09
Phil Magistro 15-Nov-09
Phil Magistro 15-Nov-09
oldbow 15-Nov-09
Phil Magistro 15-Nov-09
Frisky 15-Nov-09
Kelly 15-Nov-09
Frisky 15-Nov-09
barebow626 16-Nov-09
Manfromthepast 16-Nov-09
high country 16-Nov-09
kodiaklectomy 14-Jan-10
Shafted 29-Mar-15
Phil Magistro 29-Mar-15
Kelly 29-Mar-15
Kelly 29-Mar-15
Kelly 29-Mar-15
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Kelly 29-Mar-15
Kelly 29-Mar-15
Kelly 29-Mar-15
Shafted 29-Mar-15
Kelly 29-Mar-15
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From: MedicineBow
Date: 15-Nov-09




"I'm kicking myself in the arse now,"

Me too! I actually owned one then sold it about five years ago. Excellent bow. Used ones are pricey nowadays, start saving. :^) Didn't save any pics, sorry.

From: Viper
Date: 15-Nov-09




Hit -

They are really nice shooting bows. Well made with classic lines. One of the reasons for their speed claims (which were accurate, btw) was that Jack built them to handle relatively light arrows and made his own strings. I forgot what they were made of, but IIRC it wasn't dacron.

Even with dacron, my 1974 57# GM Jet would throw a 2114 (which he recommended) at speeds matching most of today's better customs.

Also, IIRC, his GM, (not the Jet) had a metal rod in the riser for added rigidity. Yup, old Jack had a few tricks up his sleeve.

Viper out.

From: GLF
Date: 15-Nov-09




I bought one of his last run bows in the late 80's or early 90's, of course he had 2 or 3 more final runs after that,lol, but anyhow it was one fine shooting bow. It didn't handle heavy arrows that well but then it wasn't designed to. He suggested 2213's for me. Jack didn't leave anything to chance when building bows, he even spine tested lamns and his glass and paired everything up. Lots of luck finding a shooting model Gamemaster Jet for sale. Actual Donnie Assenheimer copied Jacks design for his bows even to the grip except he built the recurves up a bit to accomodate heavier arrows. He's since changed the grip tho. Not sure about his limbs now a days.

From: Andyman
Date: 15-Nov-09




my brother has a few of the Jack Howard bows- he loves them, unbeliveable Brazilian rose wood in the handles- they shoot every bit as fast as my new Widows- very stable accurate bows-

From: oldbow
Date: 15-Nov-09




The Gamemaster Jet was made by Damon Howatt for Jack to put his logo on and sell unless I am mistaken; that's why the Jets look so much like the Damon Howatt early Hunter Models. A few months back there were several of these Game Master Jets for sale on Ebay; they were all "wall hangers" due to the fact that they were ruined from having Fast Flight Strings put on them so if you by chance happen to have or obtain a Gamemaster Jet, made sure that you don't use Fast Flight Strings or you will have a Wall Hanger to look at instead of a shooter.

From: Viper
Date: 15-Nov-09




old (and Hit) -

Yes, you are both sorta mistaken. Jack offered a "Howard Hunting Bow" in addition to the GM and GMJ, at a considerably lower price. That one WAS a DH Hunter with Jack's decal on it. Remember, back then decal swapping was a fairly common practice. He personally made all the Jets and the regular Gamemasters.

Again, not sure about what string materials he used, but I don't think they came with FF. Back then (70's to early 80's), the only alternative was Kevlar, and most of us figured out pretty quickly that that wasn't the way to go. IMHO, it's a Dacron only bow.

Viper out.

From: oldbow
Date: 15-Nov-09




Another piece of advice I'll add if you score on a Jack Howard bow, if you find one and it comes from another state or area or from close by, I'd wait several days or a month before I tried stringing the bow due to woods in the bow drawing moisture and expanding and or shrinking; I always wait several days after buying a bow now before attempting to string it and then I use a string about two to three inches longer than the bow requires in order to let the laminations start stretching, like they will end up after they full length string is attached;

I feel like those old laminations are kind of like my body, they need to be stretched before being put to work.

This area where I live is high in moisture content in the air so I figure it's better to be safe than sorry concerning letting the old bows draw in moisture.

Whatever you do, don't get a bow in the mail and drag it out of the box, string it up and start pulling on it or you might have a broken bow.

And don't use the across the leg stringing method either as that method has ruined more bows that you can count.

If you don't have a pocket Bow Stringer and your wife has those nice wooden straight backed Kitchen Chairs then place your bow on towels on the chair backs, push down on the bow handle until you or someone else can ship the string on, just make sure the chair seats are facing each other when you do this and don't let the wife catch you.

From: McK
Date: 15-Nov-09




Hit-or-Miss, I have a Jet I purchased from Jack in 96, 64# at 28". It is a fine smooth shooting bow with plenty of mass in the riser. He supplied a string made of a material he preferred, believe it was what he referred to as an earlier "strechy" dacron, white in color. He didnt think low stretch strings were appropriate. He stated that he personally made every jet, (not the hunters). He had a catalog,still have it somewhere, with a lot of info in it. Dont shoot it much anymore as it is heavier than I currently prefer, but it was very fast, compared through my chrono against many other custom bows. Also need to use a stringer with cups at both ends, get/make one thet fits the tips correctly. Jack had many strongly held opinions and was big on testing things. McK

From: oldbow
Date: 15-Nov-09




Hit-or-Miss, here's a story that will make you sad, I am sure. back in the early 1990's a Archery Shop at Mountain Home Arkansas was having a Going Out Of Business sale, and guess what they had for sale? A Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet Bow for $150 and I passed it up because it was a sixty pounder and I wasn't into that poundage back then and that was about the time that you could but Super Kodiak or most any other top on the line hunting bow for 20 to 30 dollars at Pawn Shops so that made the Gamemaster quite overpriced for the time. I would bet that Old Bow is still around Mountain Home if one could did it out of the wood work.

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 15-Nov-09




I had many conversations with Jack prior to his passing. I also put together a few web pages of his bows and some for when he was selling his business. Here's the link -

http://pmagistro.com/bows/gamemaster/cbphotos.html?image=cbphoto01.jpg

From: Cody R
Date: 15-Nov-09




Mr. Sackett I am not trying to start anything.. But I have no clue where you get your info.. Jack Howard Archery is still for sale.. Ms. Dorothy (Wife)is still trying to sell it to someone.... So maybe once agin these great bows will be sold down the road.. I have saw a few of Jack Howards bows and shot one or two of them there some very very fine bows and very well made..

Cody

From: bowdoc
Date: 15-Nov-09




oh yeah DH made bows for Jack he had to buy like 50 of them at a time.As Cody mentioned the business is or was at least up for sale a short time ago.bd

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 15-Nov-09




After Jack died I talked with his wife. She was getting advice from a number of folks on what to do with the business. I know a couple of people that were interested in buying it but either the price was too high or the cost of moving all the machinery was too much. The last that I heard - and it's been quite a while - was that Dorothy was thinking about selling off the machinery piece by piece. In that sense it wouldn't have been worth nearly as much as a complete package.

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 15-Nov-09




Sorry for being out of synch here but I'm reading these posts and it's bringing back some fond memories. I spent may hours talking with Jack for the two years prior to his death.

The material that Jack used in his strings wasn't B-50 or fast flight. It was a stretchier material. Charlie Lamb on TradGang was told the material by Jack and did sell strings for a while. Don't know if he still does or if he's still on TradGang - haven't been there in some time.

There are a few articles written by Jack on TradGang. Just search on Jack Howard in the Article and Stories section.

Rich Lopez bought the remaining unfinished bow from Jack's wife, finished them and put them on eBay. Don't know if they sold.

The Gamemaster (original) was 66" long. The newer Classic Gamemaster is 64". I've owned a few of each. The Classic Gamemaster has a fairly square, blocky handle. It has a peice of steel rod in the black plastic section of the handle for added stability.

The handle on the Jet is the best of any recurve I've ever held. I kept one Jet - my favorite one and the one in the photos with the light spot on the lower part of the riser. It's a tremendous bow. Fast, stable and beautiful.

Jack put a feather rest on his bows. He made the rests and they were, like most of what he did, special. He used six feathers - 3 of each wing so that each three leaned to the middle.

From: Andyman
Date: 15-Nov-09




the strings were pre dacron, endless loop stretch polyester-he was adamant about them and he made them himself putting wax under the loop servings. He considered the Jet the best bow, the classic was his favorite bow. The classic had the metal rod in the riser at an angle so not coming out of the shelf, vermilion wood risers in these..The Jet was all brazilian rose wood with no rod.

From: 3arrows
Date: 15-Nov-09




Jack used VEE polyester fiber for his strings,made before the prefex polyester,clamed it was faster.Have a large spool if anyone is interested.

From: grizzley21 Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 15-Nov-09




i have a gamemaster jet. f-877, 60lbs, last edition, made in may 1996. the riser is bubinga not rosewood like the older ones.black and white limbs, if i remeber it was a pain to string up, you needed a special stringer from mr howard. yes it has a feather rest and a small leather side plate. also the riser is very beefy. sorry, no way to take a photo,

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 15-Nov-09




Sackett, That was mine if it was on the cover of TBM.

Here's a photo of three different Jets. The one in the middle was all dark rosewood. The one that I kept is the one on the left with a stripe of vermillion in the riser.

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 15-Nov-09

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Sackett, That was mine if it was on the cover of TBM.

Here's a photo of three different Jets. The one in the middle was all dark rosewood. The one that I kept is the one on the left with a stripe of vermillion in the riser.

From: oldbow
Date: 15-Nov-09




Boy they sure look like Damon Howatt Hunters.

Doug Kittredge sold Jack Howard bows and in his Catalog I saw nothing that stated that Jack Howard personally hand made the Gamemaster Jet; the catalog states that Jack personally made the Gamemaster but not the Jet Model.

Anyone know for sure if Damon Howatt was contracted to make the Gamemaster Jets?

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 15-Nov-09




I do straight from Jack himself. Jack made all of the Gamemasters, Gamemaster Classics and Jets. It also says the same in the Jet catalog. DH did make some "Howard Hunting Bows" for Jack but I believe Jack told me that he he got the semi-finished bows from DH and finished them.

From: Frisky
Date: 15-Nov-09

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Compare the risers to my Hunter. They do look similar. So, maybe Jack copied the Hunter riser design? I believe Bob Savage told me Jack Howard taught him how to "spine" glass, as GLF mentioned above. That was the Howard influence in the Deathmaster design. GLF is right on that Jack didn't leave much to chance with his bows.

Joe

From: Kelly Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 15-Nov-09




There might be similarities in the handle shape but so are a lot of other bows made today-they resemble other shapes.

The Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet was designed and put on the market before any Damon Howatt Hunters were built with a similar shaped handle.

Similarity is handle shape is where it ends. Everything else about the Gamemaster Jet is unique to Jack Howard.

The Assenheimer takedown was designed after the Gamemaster Jet with the help of Roger Rothhaar. Roger broke the limb on his Gamemaster Jet so with Donnies woodworking expertise and Roger Tool and Dye making expertise they went about copying the Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet limb design and used the handle from Roger's broken Gamemaster Jet to mount the first set of limbs on. Later they designed the handle which was also very similar to the Jet's. Since then Donnie has changed both the handle shape/limb angles and limb design. So much so that it no longer looks like nor shoots like a Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet.

Jack Howard made the Gamemaster(66" bow) model first. Then had to design a new bow because of too many limb failures in the Gamemaster, hence the Gamemaster Jet(also 66" bow) was born and was his greatest acheivement. After trying to retire/sell his bow business for over 20 years he designed the Gamemaster Classic which incorporated the original Gamemaster handle(Jack had 100's of these vermillion blanks already cut to shape and there still are nearly 100 left) and the Gamemaster Jet limbs(which were shorter than the original Gamemaster limbs hence the resulting 64" bow.

Not only was he running out of Brazilian Rosewood but also glass. He used the old tear strip glass(also known as urec glass) so both these reason percipitated the end to the Gamemaster Jet and the birth of the Gamemaster Classic since its shorter length enabled him to use up the lower spine weights of glass that he had left.

If a bow is fast it is fast no matter the weight of the arrow. If it is the fastest with light arrows it is the fastest with heavy arrows, too. My 67# Gamemaster Jet would routinely shoot 650 grain arrows 200-204 feet per second. I once shot it through a chrono at the Moses Lake shoot with 550 grain arrows at 213 fps. Also, that same year I shot a 70# Fedora 560 Hunter one piece with those same 550 grain arows at 207 fps. This was a fingers pull through release which is always faster than ones normal hunting type release.

Virtually everyone of the Gamemaster Jet's had that small piece of African Vermillion. The bow in the middle of Phil's pictures was the only two striped(white accent stripe-all Jets had 3 of them)and solid rosewood Gamemaster Jet I've ever seen. Asked Jack about it one time and he couldn't remember making it. Then I told him the serial number and at a later time he told me it was custom made that way for a good friend/customer who wanted a Jet that was unique/different.

Sackett is correct that most of the machines were custom made by Jack and for specific bow making purposes. Anyone that knows Jack Howard bows knows that every bow of a particlar model is identical in shape to another of that same model. So much so that only the laminations of maple and glass thicnesses are the only differences. He even had a machine to custom shape the tip overlays and string grooves.

Jack Howard was the only bowyer I know of that pre-cut and shaped his handles, maple lams and glass lams before glue up. Afer glue up all he had to do was run the bow through his duplicater to finish the shape. Plus, since the bottom limb of the Gamemaster Jet was shorter than the top limb he had to know which limb was which before glue-up.

From: Frisky
Date: 15-Nov-09




Thanks Kelly! It looks like the Hunter riser is a copy of the Jet! You are correct that the fastest bow with light arrows will be the fastest with heavy arrows. I first got interested in the Deathmaster when Steve Gorr wrote, back in 79', that he'd never seen a compound that could outshoot the Gamemaster Jet or Deathmaster in flight shooting competition, provided heavy arrows were used.

Joe

From: barebow626
Date: 16-Nov-09




Arent these bows truly works of art?......i also love bill stewarts multicam bows......these guys were just such good craftsmen

From: Manfromthepast Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 16-Nov-09




I have a few Jets and one Classic. I shot my 62# Jet with a Jack Howard stretchy string in comparison with my 65# Black Widow MA equiped with fast flight. Both bows were within 1-3 fps of each other in the high 180's at 9 grains per pound. Draw was 28" and anchor/hold was deliberate. All of my Jets seem to be in the high 180's at 9 grains per pound with one of Jack's strings. I find the stability of these bows to be even more impressive than the speed. Personally, I shoot a Jet more accurately than any other bow I have ever owned.

From: high country
Date: 16-Nov-09




3arrows, I sent a message about the spool of Vee. I have a "few" of Jack's works of art!

From: kodiaklectomy
Date: 14-Jan-10




BTW, the bows I did not buy. Mrs Howard sent them to me, they where redone/repaired, sold on Ebay and the money went to her just for the record!

Rich Lopez

From: Shafted
Date: 29-Mar-15




OK... old thread revival! I started this years ago, under my old name / membership... "Hit-or-Miss", but they were deleted. I had started this thread saying how much I regretted not buying a Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet in the early 90's. I had written to Jack and gotten a catalog, but never bought one as I thought the price was too high. Looking back, I could kick myself in the arse for not traveling out west, meeting Jack in person and ordering a Gamemaster Jet. Those ads, that glossy finish, the high arched grip and exotic wood.... perfect!!! Like many other young men... I wasted money on wine, women and song that could have easily paid for a new Gamemaster Jet or two. Many other bows have come and gone since. Now in 2015.... still looking, I will find one. I was outbid recently ... but I don't give up easily. At some point, I'll have a Gamemaster Jet to hunt with. Until then, any one care to share some pictures of your Jack Howard bows?

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 29-Mar-15




I've owned several Jets and Gamemasters. Only have one of each today. Beautiful bows that are great performers. Don't have a photo with me to post but if you do a search on here you'll find lots of photos from Howard owners.

From: Kelly
Date: 29-Mar-15

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Here is a Jet.

From: Kelly
Date: 29-Mar-15

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And another.

From: Kelly
Date: 29-Mar-15

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Here is the Gamemaster Deluxe.

From: Kelly
Date: 29-Mar-15

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Closeup of above handle.

From: Kelly
Date: 29-Mar-15

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Some more Gamemaster Deluxe.

From: Kelly
Date: 29-Mar-15

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The man himself, Jack Howard shooting a Gamemaster Jet.

From: Kelly
Date: 29-Mar-15

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Here are two of Jacks personal Gamemaster Deluxe hunting bows.

From: Shafted
Date: 29-Mar-15




Kelly, wow! Nice pictures! So do you now have Jack's bows? The Gamemaster is gorgeous.... but the Jet.... that's incredible! I was beat out in bidding on a sweet 40 something pound Jet recently.... some lucky guy got it.

From: Kelly
Date: 29-Mar-15




Yes and have had them for some 40 years.

From: BlackCheetah Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Mar-15




More pics of the man or his bows or his shop?

From: bfisherman11 Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Mar-15




Kelly, Very nice pictures and thank you for that great explanation!

Bill Wright

From: fdp
Date: 30-Mar-15




Kelly....what is the tape (or so it appears to be) on the bottom limb of jack's bows?

And dang..he sure did raise that bow arm shoulder didn't he?

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 30-Mar-15




That tape is covering his extra bowstring.

From: Shafted
Date: 30-Mar-15




Those bows... Jack's with the tape and spare string on them, history, pure history! Were they mine, I would surely struggle with just displaying them, or hunting with them. They would feel very nice in the hand come October!

From: fdp
Date: 30-Mar-15




Aaaaaahhh, Thank You for that Phil.

From: lonfitz
Date: 30-Mar-15




I have noticed that Jack used a lot of white glass.Did he ever make any bows under 64"?

From: Kelly
Date: 31-Mar-15




Nope, but he did sell the Howatt Hunter under his label Howard Hunting Bow and it was 62". The vast majority of the bows he made were 66".

White glass on belly, black glass on back.

From: Kelly
Date: 01-Apr-15

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Actually Jack killed most of his big game animals with the Gamemaster.

From: Kelly
Date: 01-Apr-15

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And

From: Kelly
Date: 01-Apr-15

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From: Kelly
Date: 01-Apr-15

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The big elk was shot with a Gamemaster Jet.

From: Kelly
Date: 01-Apr-15

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Don't know where that picture came from. Phil, can you delete it?

This is the one I was trying to post.

From: Shafted
Date: 01-Apr-15




Found one!!! I'm pulling the trigger!

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 01-Apr-15




Good for you!

From: Bjorn Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 01-Apr-15

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Outstanding bows. People just now catching up.

From: Frisky
Date: 01-Apr-15




Well, they might be the greatest, but I can still hear the words of Bob Savage echoing across the mountain tops and rebounding through the flat:

"I never did shoot the world's fastest bow, as long as I was shooting his bow."

Joe

From: Kelly
Date: 01-Apr-15




And what did Harry Drake have to say?

From: Frisky
Date: 01-Apr-15




Harry probably said- I wish that Bob Savage guy would quit begging me for my limb designs!

Joe

From: Kelly
Date: 01-Apr-15




How many maple lams in that Savage Deathmaster, 2 or 3? Just curious.

From: Frisky
Date: 01-Apr-15




Two maple lams.

Joe

From: woodshaft
Date: 01-Apr-15




Having shot both the Savage Deathmaster and the Gamemaster Jet my humble opinion favors the Howard Gamemaster Jet for shooting arrows and the Savage Deathmaster for playing fetch with my Gordon Setters. With the dogs lack of color vision they are not offended by the Savage limbs. Just most humans find the hard on our eyes. Best Wishes to Joe in MN.

From: Frisky
Date: 01-Apr-15




woodshaft- you have mistaken the Drake limbs for the all black limbs of the Deathmaster.

Joe

From: woodshaft
Date: 01-Apr-15




My error Joe sometimes facts are distorted in my attempts at humor, a human flaw don't you think? I do love to read your posts Frisky they always brighten my day. Your fan in Ohio Steve.

From: Frisky
Date: 01-Apr-15




LOL! Woodshaft, my old Drake is a gaudy but fast and quiet hunting bow. The Deathmaster is a plain Jane bow with amazing design! You have been brainwashed by the Howard fanatics, who are a lot like Black Widow and even Howatt fanatics. They engage in much ado about nothing.

Joe

From: Frisky
Date: 01-Apr-15




That said, I did think your remarks were funny!

Joe

From: Kelly
Date: 02-Apr-15




Humm, $950 is not too much for "giggles" for a black swan but $900 is too much for "in a heartbeat" Gamemaster Jet that will never be made ever again.

From: Shafted
Date: 02-Apr-15




I agree Kelly.... although I have heard of "Black Swan", nothing advertised about it has grabbed my attention. I'm sure its a "fast" bow, but if I desired pure speed, I would buy a metal one with training wheels. The Gamemaster Jet.... well, I have wanted one for over 25 years. I have read most of Jack Howard's articles and know that his bows are cherished as collectible, yet deadly hunting weapons, finely crafted of exotic hardwoods and expertly finished. The pictures I have seen of Jack's bows go beyond nice; they are enchanting, spellbinding and sexy! Can you tell I'm awaiting the faithful steeds of the US Postal Service to deliver my quarter century obsession in the next week or so???? :). I'm not crazy, just obsessed!

From: Kelly
Date: 02-Apr-15




Shafted,could you give me the serial number and bow weight of your new found Jet, congratulations by the way, so I can put your bow on my list?

Thanks

From: Shafted
Date: 02-Apr-15




Sure thing! PM sent.

From: woodshaft
Date: 02-Apr-15

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Thought I would toss in some eye candy for Shafted. As we used to say " Every dog has his day and a good dog has two! Careful what you wish for Shafted it can be an expensive hobby but so much fun. Howards rule and others drool.

From: Shafted
Date: 03-Apr-15




Thanks Woodshaft! That is one sweet looking bow... :)

From: Shafted
Date: 10-Apr-15




Well... after a quarter century... she arrived today! Wow!!! What a sweet shooter and beautiful beyond belief. I'll post a picture soon. Now I understand why these bows are so cherished and difficult to find. Thanks Steve!!!

From: stykshooter Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 10-Apr-15




Nice, I want one !!!

From: HillbillyKing Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Apr-15




Them Bows are a Work of ART Really !!!

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 11-Apr-15




Congratulations!

From: woodshaft
Date: 11-Apr-15




Welcome to the Jack Howard Fan Club Shafted. It may not be the Holy Grail of bows to some gentleman (Mr Frisky) but he has been off his medication for a while. But is not beauty in the eye (or hand) of the beholder? and I defer to the intelligent words of Hillbilly King as he truly knows his bows and has a collection worthy of a archery museum.

From: Bull Elk Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Apr-15




I remember the day I told my wife I ordered the rosewood Jet. After the Bear bows of $45.00-$50.00, I had to explain why I wanted a bow that cost $250.00. Not easy, but in her younger days she was very mallable and understanding. One deer later, it was laying across the back seat of my Citation, I closed the door and that was the end of the Jet. Jack was very good to me, and sold me a Howard hunter for half price. I shot that bow for a good number o years, anad my 14 year old son attempted to string it via step fthrough method. He knew better, but his judgement was not good that day. When I came home from work that day he came to me with the bad news, I had to forgive him, after a long talk, and he has become a successful bowhunter That event happened around 1974---a long ago lesson! I rmember Mama, and I remember Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet! Jim

From: Frisky
Date: 11-Apr-15




Bull Elk- If Jack hadn't made that bow ridiculously long, you'd still have it.

Joe

From: Shafted
Date: 11-Apr-15

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Here she is! Look at that Braz. rosewood!!! Shoots like a dream too! Ironic, she was shipped out to the original owner in April of 1999 (Original shipping bow came with the bow), same month and year I met my now ex-wife! Ha Ha! It appears I'm trading up! :) Yes, this is the REAL "HOLY GRAIL" of bows!

From: Shafted
Date: 11-Apr-15




Box, the Original BOX came with the bow. :) I wish we could edit on here. :)

From: Shafted
Date: 11-Apr-15




Question to my fellow Gamemaster Jet owners; Arrows? What do you all suggest? I know Jack designed these to shoot light weight arrows with the VEE string, but what size arrow for a 52# bow (55# to 58#, due to the calibration / weight offest of Jack's scale and my 29" or so draw length)??? Would Alum XX75 2018's be ok? In Carbon... would Beman 500 7.3 GPI be too light?? I plan on using 125 or 135 grain broadheads.

From: Todd the archer Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 11-Apr-15




Could try Jacks favorite size a 2114.

From: Blackhawk Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 12-Apr-15




I once had a 51# GM Jet and it loved the 2114.

From: Hill
Date: 05-Jun-15

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I just traded for a Beautiful Recurve, it says Last edition by Jack Howard on the riser and says 56# F-942 on the other side of the riser. It has two decals; one on the top limb says Howard Hunting Bow and on the bottom limb says Gamemaster jet.

I have a string that is supposedly the original and it seems to be in great shape.

I want to get the recommended arrows (maybe 2114 aluminums), and a safe string to shoot it with.

Apparently the stringer that I use will need to be a tip and tip type?

Any advice would be much appreciated, this is really my first personal recurve, my dad has many and I have shot them quite a bit, but this is the first one that I am caring for and outfitting myself.

Thank You.

From: Hill
Date: 05-Jun-15

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From: Hill
Date: 05-Jun-15

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This 12 strand string with no weave or twist is what was given to me as the "matching" string, does that sound right?

From: Hill
Date: 05-Jun-15

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From: mangonboat
Date: 05-Jun-15




If its possible the "original string", set that one aside and save it. You can get better quality strings that will enable that classic bow to perform even better. Two-cup stringer or one cup and one loop Selway type.I find that its easier to string my 66" bows putting both feet on the stringer line ,spread to shoulder width.

As far as arrows, I know lots of folks advocate at least 10 grains per pound, but those long-limbed classics can handle and really shine with lower weight arrows. Even so, you probably want to shoot at least 9 grains per pound...>500 grain total arrow weight if you draw 28", more if your draw is longer. How you get to that weight depends on your preferences and your form. A consistent good release can handle stiffer arrows with lighter points; many of us with deep hooks and split fingers like a little less spine.2114 seems a little too light for a 56# recurve ( plus, they are hard to find); maybe 2018 or 2116? These bows were made before the modern advances in the alloys in aluminum arrows, to say nothing of modern carbons and even compressed /hyperdense woods, so dont be shy about finding the arrow combination that works best for YOU shooting THAT BOW. I can imagine that bow shooting really well with .400 deflection carbons with 125 gr target / field points and standard inserts, 4 inch parabolic or banana fletching , cut to 30". For hunting that bow should handle .340 deflection arrows at full length and up to 175 gr. broadheads . Or maybe XX75 2117 full length aluminums. Its a matter of personal preference and figuring out what works.

She's a beauty. Enjoy!

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 06-Jun-15




I'm not sure I agree about the strings. Jack's strings were not low stretch but his bows performed quite well with them. I've shot many with B50 and with his strings and I prefer his. Plus, the way he designed his bows there were some bows where the glass lifted a bit at the tips so I'm not sure I'd put more stress on that part.

You will have a very difficult, if not impossible time stringing any of his bows with anything other than a two cup stringer and even then only specific ones or ones that are modified. His tips are small and the curve on the limb is very deep. With most two cup stringers you'll need to pad the upper cup with tissue so it just grabs. Otherwise the string on the stringer blocks the nick grooves. Jack sold a specially modified stringer for his bows.

I've used 2114s out of Jets up to 53# but I agree they may be too light for 56#. That said, give them a try because the way Jack's bows were cut in the sight window and depending on your draw length they may work. That was. The weight that Jack would say to try every time I asked him about any bow.

From: woodshaft
Date: 06-Jun-15




I have had good luck with the gold tip 400 55-75 lbs. They are a light arrow and you can adjust point weight to get your fine tuning down pat. Put some arrows thru that Jet and watch your brace height it will start high with Jacks strings or Charlie Lamb builds them now with the same material Jack used I think its called Vee polyester and was used for sail repair. It works very well as a bowstring on my Gamemaster Jets. I have never found a bow I shoot as well as the Howards very stable and quick to boot. Enjoy your Jet they were made to be shot not just admired for good looks.

From: Hill
Date: 06-Jun-15




Thank You guys so much for the advice!! I actually have some Gold tip 5575 xt hunters, but they have little blazer vanes on them, I might switch them to feathers, I use a long draw length on the compound too, so they might transfer. Thanks Guys.

From: woodshaft
Date: 06-Jun-15




Oh I forgot to add welcome to the Jack Howard fan club great job on your new bow its a beauty!!! Let us know your impressions after shooting it a bit and if you place and elevated rest on it Hoyt super Pro or bear Weather Rest you can shoot your Gold tips with Blazer vanes from it. Great looking Jet one of the last 30 bows Jack made from your serial number I think.

From: moosehunter Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 06-Jun-15




Will you post more pics of the Jet? Wish I could just shoot one, let alone own one... Thanks!

From: Hill
Date: 06-Jun-15

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It has a feather/leather rest. Feathers on the bottom and leather piece on the side, its in great condition so I want to shoot off it...I'm guessing vanes would tear it up.

From: moosehunter Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 06-Jun-15




Love the pics!

From: littlekodiak
Date: 06-Jun-15

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Here is the paper work for the sale of Jacks personal bows, almost 30 years ago, Very Cool!!!

From: littlekodiak
Date: 06-Jun-15

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From: moosehunter Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 07-Jun-15




Those are nice peices of history!

From: Andy Man
Date: 07-Jun-15




very nice bows

x2 what Phil said

Black widow stringer will work that looks like the string that comes with it

that string worked better than B 50

those bows really shoot hard and are very accurate , just do your part

beautiful wood in them too

From: Hill
Date: 08-Jun-15

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From: vintage-bears
Date: 07-Jan-17




Fantastic informative topic. Thanks to all.

If anyone is willing to let one of their RH Jet bows, I have been looking for one.

Thanks

From: redhawk847
Date: 07-Jan-17




WOW !! And to think that I almost bought one. I had spoken to Mr. Howard on my needs and don't remember why I didn't purchase one ? Guess I am getting old.

From: classicbowman
Date: 19-Aug-17




Hello Everyone-- I am finally working on my Jack Howard Book-- please remember that there are always copyright issues, on reproduction of photo's and or articles-- copy rights take a long time to expire- if you research photo's -- you will find that if you hand someone your camera , and they take a photo- they own the rights-- really it's all pretty crazy-- If any of you Howard fans read this-- I want to get photo's of your bows-- with permission-- sorry I cannot pay a fee-- publishing a quality book takes time and money- as far as I know, Jack did not make it to 1,000 bows-- I have a few high serial number bows and two of the last bows he made-- both unfinished-- I go back with Jack since 1988,it all started in Al Reider's basement with his personal bows hanging on the wall-- I believe I have the largest collection of Jack Howard bows. I now own one of two Supreme Target Bows that have been found-- another bow he made for me-- has white glass on the front and back ( it took a lot of arm twisting to get him to do this and I paid top dollar-- I have the last Gamemaster Jet he ever made--( black glass on the front and back - cost was $1,100.00 this was in Sept 2005 ! this is documented on the bow-- he never put the serial number on the bow because it he never got to finish it-- it is marked 42# with a small white sticker-- the other unfinished bow is 48# I have some nice bows with beautiful rosewood-- but I know and have seen some beauties-- great photo's are key-- I used to work on the publishing business for companies like Random House-- so i know what it takes-- how many to print-- cost to edit-- photo shop-- will I make any money? how many people will buy this book-- even if you are not a Howard fan-- he is part of Archery History -- Please remember that a printers first words are-- how many are your going to print-- Most people who who commented on this blog have provided great info-- I can remember when Jack first called me to ask if I received his very first email-- the internet opened the door to his world-- he was one very special guy-- set in his ways - rightfully so-- Anyone wanting to send a photo, story-- please remember there is a lot of the same info out there-- but many bows unique on there color-- This isn't about making money-- it may be a total loss-- I am completely transparent - anything you post you own the copy rights-- what photo's I will use or story I will not know until I lay it all out-- you will have so give me permission to use the photo and info-- Photo's MUST be of high quality-- call the book a coffee table type book-- there is only one title that can be used " JACK HOWARD -- THE WORLDS FASTEST BOW " one time printing-- I respect everyone's info-- it is all about passing this info onto archery history -- anyone sending info - photo's will of course be given credit-- I do not want to have any issues with anyone. At 68 I would rather be hunting wiith my Howard :)) please email me . www.clssicsportsman.com Rob Tiberio

From: grizzley21 Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 19-Aug-17




I have a gamemaster jet, made in 1996, was a last edition model, but I see yours was 9 years after mine,

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 29-Jul-19




TTT for umich1

From: umich1
Date: 29-Jul-19




Thanks Phil!!!

From: RymanCat
Date: 29-Jul-19




YEAH TRY TO FIND A LIGHTWEIGHT ONE THEY ARE PRETTY NONEXISTENT.

Heavy bows when men were men is all I see around.

From: RymanCat
Date: 29-Jul-19




Did Jack make a 60 inch Gamemaster?

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 29-Jul-19




No. 66" and later a 64" Classic Gamemaster

From: RymanCat
Date: 30-Jul-19




Thanks Phil I'd like to have a 64 then in light weight but I guess so would a lot of guys too.

From: Justin
Date: 30-Jul-19




I've got a GM Jet 67@28 and had a GM Jet Last Edition 68@28. Nice bows. Jack sounds like a great man.

Justin

From: Kelly
Date: 30-Jul-19




The 64” Gamemaster Classic has the same handle as the original Gamemaster. There were only about twenty of them made. The difference between the Classic and original Gamemaster is one inch shorter limbs, one inch less recurve. Jack was running short on thicker glass that produced higher poundages, but he had tons of pre made handle section so he made the limbs shorter to stiffen them up.

Lightest one I know of is 40#, but don’t believe the owner wants to sell.

Jack made very, very few bows under 48#.

From: JFH
Date: 31-Jul-19




picked up a gamemaster jet at baltimore. Bow marked 62@28 july 4 1994. Bow shooots and looks great!!!!!!

From: BigHorn
Date: 31-Jul-19




i have a jet and a gm. they are exceptional bows. they are kinda like the Cadillacs of bows just excellent.

From: Justin
Date: 31-Jul-19




Anyone have a gamemaster for sale in heavy weight?

From: Justin
Date: 28-Jul-23




Disregard, Just picked up two!!

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 28-Jul-23




If you want a third, Tom Phillips from Bison Gear has as Gamemaster that I saw yesterday at ETAR. I believe it’s 52 or 54#.

From: Justin
Date: 29-Jul-23




Shame on you Phil. My wife says shame on you for telling me about that!!!

Justin

From: Phil Magistro
Date: 29-Jul-23




Please tell her I'm sorry.

But it was in nice shape, just too heavy for me or I would have it. :)

From: Rocky
Date: 29-Jul-23




I believe I own the lightest weight Gamemaster Jet. It is the only one I have seen under 40lbs. It is 37lbs. I shoot mostly 1916s or 600 carbons. Shoots both very good.

From: Andy Man
Date: 29-Jul-23




Nice bows I have Jack Howard (Classic game master ) 64” 60#@28” Jack Howard (Jett last edition) 59#

they are beauties

From: Justin
Date: 30-Jul-23




Phil

I may contact him.





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