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Dalaa Recurves Pro's / Con's

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Silent1 28-Sep-09
Skeet 28-Sep-09
Pineridge 28-Sep-09
LongbowBob 28-Sep-09
williethebarber 28-Sep-09
ronp 28-Sep-09
bohuna 28-Sep-09
SteveB 28-Sep-09
Jim Terrio 28-Sep-09
Bill C. 28-Sep-09
Silent1 28-Sep-09
Silent1 28-Sep-09
Silent1 28-Sep-09
SteveB 28-Sep-09
Erich 28-Sep-09
Stickbow37 28-Sep-09
Bill C. 28-Sep-09
Don B 28-Sep-09
Floxter 28-Sep-09
Silent1 28-Sep-09
Erich 29-Sep-09
LongbowBob 29-Sep-09
Erich 29-Sep-09
Erich 29-Sep-09
Ham Biscuit 29-Sep-09
swampwalker 29-Sep-09
Erich 29-Sep-09
Ham Biscuit 29-Sep-09
Erich 29-Sep-09
DJTJR 29-Sep-09
williethebarber 29-Sep-09
Willett 29-Sep-09
Silent1 29-Sep-09
Erich 30-Sep-09
Free Range 30-Sep-09
Silent1 01-Oct-09
swampwalker 01-Oct-09
Free Range 01-Oct-09
James Wrenn 01-Oct-09
Silent1 02-Oct-09
foxbo 02-Oct-09
Ham Biscuit 02-Oct-09
DRT 02-Oct-09
Silent1 02-Oct-09
JRW 02-Oct-09
Silent1 02-Oct-09
Silent1 02-Oct-09
DRT 02-Oct-09
Erich 02-Oct-09
Erich 02-Oct-09
JRW 02-Oct-09
Ham Biscuit 02-Oct-09
dkard 02-Oct-09
Silent1 02-Oct-09
Ham Biscuit 02-Oct-09
stykshooter 02-Oct-09
Silent1 02-Oct-09
marc 03-Oct-09
Silent1 03-Oct-09
Silent1 03-Oct-09
Tacfly 03-Oct-09
Silent1 03-Oct-09
Tacfly 04-Oct-09
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K Cummings 04-Oct-09
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Silent1 04-Oct-09
limbwalker 09-Oct-09
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Ham Biscuit 09-Oct-09
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ArrowSmith 10-Oct-09
Silent1 10-Oct-09
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From: Silent1
Date: 28-Sep-09




Hey guys,I've been thinking about the Dalaa Recurves but i don't know anybody that has one to ask about them....

I plan to hunt and shoot target with it,i like the 17" riser with 62" AMO ,But i kinda wonder about how the Limbs Bolt on,looking at the picture the main Bolt that holds the Limb to the riser looks like it's right on the edge of the Limb,anybody have Problems with this???

Any memebers Hunting with this set up???

I've looked at Hoyt But they are not really to my Liking,I don't like a Big Riser,The 17" Dalaa Looks great to me,I've shot 60" bows with very little finger pinch so I think the Dalaa at 62"AMO will work great specially from a tree stands...

I have a 31" draw and like 55#,Shooting Split finger,Thanks for any info from those in the Know :~) later Robert AKA Silent1

Also Could someone Explain "String walking" LOL, I have tried to research it but can't seem to find any info...

And Thanks For a "GREAT" Site LeatherWall...

From: Skeet Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 28-Sep-09




If I remember correctly, my friend bought one and then got rid of it because it wasn't made in the USA. He has 3 or 4 Black Widows which he likes and shoots well.

From: Pineridge
Date: 28-Sep-09




I've always been under the impression the riser was USA made,but the limbs are anybodys guess.

The limbs have been top of the line Samick and Win & Win in the past but that was when David was in charge of things.

The limb fitting is slightly more complex than standard ILF,and very solid an reliable.

From: LongbowBob
Date: 28-Sep-09




I was at a 3d shoot recently with a guy who had one. He liked the versatility of it, being able to set his poundage. The bow shot well but, IMHO, it is ugly as a mud fence. But hey if you like the look, it appeared to be a good solid bow.

LBB

From: williethebarber
Date: 28-Sep-09




I also know a guy who loves his and can change limbs for whatever he is doing. He likes to bowfish and hunt and it works for him.

From: ronp
Date: 28-Sep-09




I have one. It has a 17" riser and 62" over-all, length. The limbs are 45# at 28" and adjustable to 48# on my scale. So that would be about 54# at 30" draw. I love the adjustability of the Dalaa. You can adjust draw weight, tiller, centershot. You can tune it to shoot a variety of arrows / spines. There are several grip choices. I have low, medium and high grips and like them all. I haven't yet decided which I will stick with. This bow draws real smooth and is dead in the hand. They are great bows. ron

From: bohuna
Date: 28-Sep-09




I really like my dalla,most fun bow to shoot I have ever had.My set up is the 17"riser 50#and 60#limbs 58"bow with med. grip.very smooth dead in the hand no pinch and flat shooting.I like the looks to ,it is very rugged dont worry about knocking it around.

From: SteveB
Date: 28-Sep-09




What Ronp said. There really are no cons. You can get it with the DAS limb connection (my preference)or standard ILF so virtually any ILF can be used. Off the shelf, simple stick on rest, or add a plunger.

Steve

From: Jim Terrio
Date: 28-Sep-09




Thanks for this posting. As I "sit" at times :), looking thru a 3Rivers cat. I have thought about one of these. The comments +/- are much appreciated by this reader. Jim.

From: Bill C. Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 28-Sep-09




My wife and I both shoot DAS recurves which were the predecessors to the DALAA. They are pretty much the same bow except that the Dalaa comes with a set of mid range ILF limbs. One of the benefits of the bow is that you can upgrade the limbs to high end carbon/foam ILF limbs and get superior performance. Having said that, I am not implying that the stock limbs are underachievers because they are not....they will probably shoot better than most any recurve you have previously shot. The limb bolt is what it is. The limbs are made the same way that ILF limbs are made and there should never be a problem with them. We have had our bows about five seasons now and they are trouble free. My wife shoots 45# @ 26" and shoots pass thru's on deer and bear. You will not be disappointed if you get a Dalaa.

If you want to know more about stringwalking I would recommend checking the www.tradtalk.com site. There are a number of stringwalkers there that are always talking about that style of shooting. The site is very informative and the majority of the members there have been around a long time and know more about the technical side of archery than you will find on most of the more popular sites.I've been shooting since the early 50's and if I need to ask about something technical or have questions about a particular style of shooting that is where I go.

From: Silent1
Date: 28-Sep-09




WOW Thanks For all the Great Feedback/Info !!!

The Risers are made in the U.S.A ! and the Limbs are Imported from what i have read in the Three Rivers Catalog & Site...

Thanks for taking the time to write the Replys Guys the Info is Much appreciated!!!

Bill C ... Thats Where i came up with the Question about Stringwalking LOL I'm a member On that site also "Tradtalk" I went through several pages of threads but didn't see anything about Stringwalking,I just read where some of the Guys talked about it,saying their wasn't many people that did it...

I Hunt and Bow fish with My bows have taken several Deer anice Hog 125 lbs,and love to shoot fish off shore :~) My Nicest being a very nice Cobia... Drilled that Dude in the Top of the head Dead center LOL

The Limb weight adjustment was one of the things i questioned also??? the book says 40-60 lbs for the 17" Riser,i've had a couple compounds but the Ajustment wasn't that great,Sounds like your saying it takes Different Limbs to get 40 then go to 60 lbs Correct? How Adjustment is in the one set of limbs would you say?sounds like i would be Good with the Heaveiest set they make for the 17" riser since i Now shoot 55/56 Lbs with the bow I have and its perfect for me Pulls great even when my shoulders Cold...

Thanks again guys Even the Mud face reply LOL :~) I'm working 10:30 am to 10:30 pm for the next four days so my replys back may be a Little slow Got to get that OT- Over time so i can pay for all these Bad habits :~)

This Dalaa should be a Great match for the 125 GR siler flames i got from Herb Haines @ HH Custom Archery :~) can you say Super Sharp!

I'll Prolly order the Bow Friday when i'm off... just need to be sure i get one thats got the correct limbs for my weight range i want... Thanks again guys... Keep Em Sharp....

From: Silent1
Date: 28-Sep-09




Just a FYI... You can't get ILF Limbs for the 17" Riser :~(

They make two Three risers 17" ,21" acually 20.6" and a Third 21" that IS made for the ILF limbs ...

The First two Risers take the standard limbs...

I Think I read somewhere where they talked about Drilling something out to make it take the ILF Limbs, 9/16, But I don't need all that anyway, mine will be a Killing stick mostly, then target :~) I'm sure from what all have said the Standard limbs will be great...

Thanks Robert ...aka Silent1

From: Silent1
Date: 28-Sep-09




I wish this site had Edit!!!

That was supposed to be Mud "Fence" Not face,LOL, and "Silver" Flames Broad heads....not siler :~)

and it was supposed to read:

How "MUCH" Adjustment is in the one set of limbs would you say?

Sorry Half a Sleep :~)

From: SteveB
Date: 28-Sep-09




Very simple to convert most ILF to the DAS system. Press out the ILF bushings - then press in the DAS. Takes me a couple minutes tops.

Steve

From: Erich Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 28-Sep-09




Silent1

Just a note about weight adjustments.

The limb selection is 40 to 60 pounds in 5 pound increments.

When you settle on a weight you would like to shot, the adjustment for that set of limbs is about 10%. So if to have a set of 50 pound limbs the adjustment is from about 48 to 52 pounds.

Erich

From: Stickbow37 Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 28-Sep-09




Like was posted above, there is another site that would probably answer your questions about string walking - that said, basically, it involves using the tip of the arrow as your "aim point", and moving your finders up and down the string as the "rear sight". By gaping the string up and down, you change the range accordingly, always keeping the point of the arrow on the target. It is much the same as using a pin sight, except that moving up or down the string equates to changing sight pins. Its not complicated, but does require some getting used to, and requires, like pin shooters, to know the distance to the target.

Dave

From: Bill C. Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 28-Sep-09




Silent1: If you already go to Tradtalk then I would encourage you to ask any "dumb" questions you have. In addition, if you buy the Masters of the Bare bow dvds you will get some imput on basic string walking as I remember it.

From: Don B
Date: 28-Sep-09




There is a DVD out called "modern traditional by TY Pelfry and Scott Anzcak-all about string walking by two of the best at that style.

DAS is a great bow-I and my wife have them-there isn't a more versatile bow around.

Don

From: Floxter
Date: 28-Sep-09




If you want an excellent basic primer on stringwalking, back out of the Leatherwall and click on the "Shooting" Forum. Then go to the stringwalking section. It even includes a video of the method.

From: Silent1
Date: 28-Sep-09




Silent1 Just a note about weight adjustments.

The limb selection is 40 to 60 pounds in 5 pound increments.

When you settle on a weight you would like to shot, the adjustment for that set of limbs is about 10%. So if to have a set of 50 pound limbs the adjustment is from about 48 to 52 pounds.

Erich

This is where i'm at trying to figure out what weight limbs to get and it sounds like i should get the 45 Pound limbs...

From what Ronp wrote/said If i get 45 and crank them down and draw it to my draw of 31" i should be around 57# and that would be GREAT!infact 55# to 57# is perfect :~)

Man All your replys are GREAT and I thank you very much!!! I will check out the TradTalk site for more info on the string walking :~) I'm just trying to learn different stuff about trad hunting and shooting.....I may Not use it but I would like to learn/understand more about it if that makes any sense

I will check out the "Shooting" forum also Thanks Floxter :~)

Thanks again later Silent1

From: Erich Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Sep-09




Silent1

A couple of things you will find out about having a 31 inch draw.

1, You need long limbs on a 17 inch riser. Anything else will not work at that draw. The limbs will be over stressed. You would be pulling in the 14 pound over range.

2, You would be better of with a 19 or 21 inch riser. You will be able to get the limb weights to stay under the 12 pound limit.

Also string walking is a little harder to do on a short bow. The best bow is one in the 66 to 70 inch range. Flipper and plungers are a must and a good tab to measure with.

Modern Traditional by Ty Pelfry and Scott Anzcak is a great DVD on all the aspects of shooting and gear needed to get into the sport.

Erich

From: LongbowBob
Date: 29-Sep-09




Sorry if I offended some of you with my "mud Fence" comment. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm glad my wife thinks I'm cute, there were a bunch of girls along the way who didn't.

They are very versitile bows, and if you like that style, that's great for you.

However, most other take down recurves would allow you to change limbs to get different poundage. True, you can't change the poundage by just adjusting the limb bolts, but then by the time you get to doiing that, and have plungers, and arrow rests you are getting beyond the amount of "smarts" that I have. I'd rather keep it simple.

LBB

From: Erich Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Sep-09




LBB

You are right. Metal risers and ILF limbs are the ugly ducklings of the bow world.

Their beauty shines thru when they are tuned and shoot arrows where they are pointed.

I should know weird and wonderful, own a FJ Cruiser and a Nissan Cube, Now they are fugly. LOL Would never part with either.

Cheers,

Erich

From: Erich Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Sep-09




LBB

You are right. Metal risers and ILF limbs are the ugly ducklings of the bow world.

Their beauty shines thru when they are tuned and shoot arrows where they are pointed.

I should know weird and wonderful, own a FJ Cruiser and a Nissan Cube, Now they are fugly. LOL Would never part with either.

Cheers,

Erich

From: Ham Biscuit
Date: 29-Sep-09




DAS bows will take any ILF limb, you just change the bushing (5 minutes) and you get a better/quieter connection than the ILF fitting gives you. DAS bows are very quiet, very tuneable and as fast as the limbs you put on them. Ten years from now, I know that whoever is making the world's best limbs for the Olympic games will work on my DAS bow. It is a nice system.

Erich, are you an FJ-40 or 60 guy? Have two FJ-60's ready for someone's project.

From: swampwalker
Date: 29-Sep-09




I agree. Das bows, Dalaas, are the finest shooting bow I've ever shot. Smooth on the draw, dead in the hand, right where you're looking. Bar none. Not the prettiest, although I like the looks of 'em. Hunting tools.

From: Erich Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Sep-09




Ham

My FJ Cruiser is a 2007, Bright Yellow. Love that thing. Carries all my DAS bows too.

Erich

From: Ham Biscuit
Date: 29-Sep-09




Das bows, cruisers, good stuff. Throw in some fly fishin and wing shootin with side by sides and we have a complete picture! (and maybe a country ham biscuit or two :)

From: Erich Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 29-Sep-09




Life don't get any better.

Erich

From: DJTJR
Date: 29-Sep-09




I have or have shot most bows and there is nothing better than a DAS to me. I personally can not shoot another bow even close to as accurately imho.

As for string walking look in the tradtalk classics under aiming method under string walking to see a lot about it.

From: williethebarber
Date: 29-Sep-09




HB, flyfishing with my Orvis bamboo and wing shooting with my Parker 28 gauge side by side over my pointer Cecil and your living a dream.

From: Willett
Date: 29-Sep-09




I have the Tradtech and like that I don't have to make any conversions to shoot IFL limbs. But I think the DAS is quieter and I like the their shooting off the shelf better. If you have any specific questions PM Erich, he has all the different handles and is very knowledgeable.

From: Silent1
Date: 29-Sep-09




Hey Erich :~) can you help me out with what you wrote/said here? I understand the term Over Stressed ,but where did you get the 12 lb limit ,and 14 pound over range, you totally lost me there LOL I've never heard of these limits can you educate and old Red Neck :~)

With what your saying Do you think the 17" riser with the limbs to make the bow 62" AMO will work with my 31" draw ???

I Know a Longer bow and riser would be Better, but i want to keep the Bow as Short as i can and i really like the 17" riser,I Must have Really made that 60" bow i was shooting cry LOL But I shot it VERY well!!! my only negative i seen or felt was the Finger Pinch and it wasn't real bad till i had shot for a while...I was thinking if i shot the 60" recurve so well then going to the 62" Dalaa would be a Big Improvement... but i understand some of what your saying about stressing the limbs... but if i went with the 62"AMO Do you think the bow would be OK ? Just a Note; i still felt a "little" Pinch shooting a 64" tomahawk LongBow, so i guess the design of the bow has a Lot to do with it... Thanks for any Education you can give this old boy :~)

Erich Stated:

Silent1 A couple of things you will find out about having a 31 inch draw.

1, You need long limbs on a 17 inch riser. Anything else will not work at that draw. The limbs will be over stressed. You would be pulling in the 14 pound over range.

2, You would be better of with a 19 or 21 inch riser. You will be able to get the limb weights to stay under the 12 pound limit.

From: Erich Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 30-Sep-09




There is a lot of testing and data on ILF limbs and after you go 12 pounds over the stated weight you get into a very dangerous situation. You are now over stressing the limb to the point of destruction.

It might now happen right then but with every arrow you shoot it will weaken the limbs. Some people have shot without problems but a lot have blown their limbs. I like to err on the side of caution.

I tuned a 62 inch DAS Master with Winex limbs, for a buddy. With his 30.5 inch draw I tuned the limbs so they would be 6 pounds at 28 inch.

This turned the limbs out and used the lower setting of the adjustments. His bow uses 34 pound long limbs and with his draw he gains 6 pound and with the bow set at 6 pounds over he pulls 46 at his draw length.

Tune the bow at 28 inches of draw. This allows you to set the poundage. This you can control. The draw length is a constant so it can't be changed. You are trying to find the sweet spot of the limbs.

ILF limbs are built for a 25 inch riser and gain one pound for every inch you shorten the riser.

#40 on a 25 inch riser

#42 on a 23

#44 on a 21

#46 on a 19

#48 on a 17

With the adjustment of 10% you are able to go 2 pounds up or two pounds lower.

For draw length you will gain, for the most part, 2 pounds for every inch past 28 inches of draw. The reverse is true of less than 28 inches, you subtract 2 pounds for every inch of draw. For under 28 inches of draw the bow is set up differently.

One of the reasons people go to a longer riser is to reduce the stress on the limbs. Also the longer the bow the more forgiving it gets when you shoot.

I haven't even got into the tiller and brace height adjustments yet. There is so much you can do to tune a metal bow to shot really great.

Hope this helps, it's a little long winded I know.

Erich

From: Free Range Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 30-Sep-09




Another thumbs up for the DAS, I have one and love it, this is my first hunting season with it and have not made a kill yet. But that is all on me not the bow, I really love this bow, shoots great, smooth, dead in the hand and adjustable like no other bow I have ever had. If you don’t mind the “trad’tech” look of a metal riser bow this is as good as it gets.

As for string walking get Masters of the Bare Bow II DVD there is a guy on there that string walks and does a good job of explaining how it works.

From: Silent1
Date: 01-Oct-09




Anybody shooting a 17" Dalaa 62" AMO with a 30+ draw length???

Do they make Limbs to make the 17" Riser a 64" AMO Bow ?

Seems like they would so us Long draws could have a less Stressed bow ?

Can you get Custom limbs made to make the 17" riser a 64" ?

Thanks Silent1

From: swampwalker
Date: 01-Oct-09




Limbwalker has a long drawlength. Perhaps he'll chime in if he's not huntin'.

From: Free Range Professional Bowhunters Society - Associate Member
Date: 01-Oct-09




I have a 30+ draw and the 62” limbs work fine for me. If I remember they are the med limbs, and I believe the longs would make a 64” bow. Even if that’s not true there are so many limbs on the market (ILF) you should be able to get what you need for a 17” riser. If I were to buy a new DAS I would get the 21” riser, for us long draw guys it gives us more choices when it comes to limbs.

From: James Wrenn
Date: 01-Oct-09




Silent1, long limbs make a 62"bow on the 17" riser.That is as long as you can get with ilf limbs.Since the riser is adjustable it is no problem to back the limb bolts a little to set it up for a draw of 30" plus.That is the biggest benefit of ilf risers in the first place.Not for weight adjustment as many thing.It is for adjusting for a draw length that gives you a good feel at the length you need.

The Dalaa is a good riser.I love the 21" riser myself.

From: Silent1
Date: 02-Oct-09




Thanks Guys,I talked with Shawn liens at 3 Rivers and he said they Didn't have any limbs for the 17" Risers :~( and it would be a while Christmas ...

He did say, he had limbs for the 21" riser that would give me 55-57# at My draw of 31" ... so if I want a Dalaa any time soon I may have to go with the 21" riser,But I really like the 17" :~(

Really sux! I wanted to Order the Bow tomorrow Now i'm Sitting On a Mud Fence LOL

From: foxbo
Date: 02-Oct-09




I have a DAS Master with Winex limbs,and the limbs were camo dipped in Predator Green. It is absolutely one of the sharpest looking bows I've ever owned. I'm able to engage targets at distances which I never dreamed up with my wood riser bows. I've had it since last Feb. and I'm still amazed at how well it handles and shoots. I don't think any other bow can come close.

From: Ham Biscuit
Date: 02-Oct-09




To summarize what others have said and Some basic tuning advice with DAS bows (or other ILF style hunting bows) -

ILF limbs come in long, medium and short (with a few models available in extra short and extra long) Standard target risers that use ILF limbs are 25" and 23". For a 25" riser, long limbs make a 70" bow. Medium limbs make a 68" bow. Short limbs make a 66" bow. So most every ILF limb has two weights written on the limb, one for a 25" riser and one for a 23" riser.

So, if you had a limb that said 40# - 70", 42# - 68" you would know it is a long limb because it makes a 70" and 68" bow, respective to the 25" and 23" riser. If it said, 40# - 68", 42# - 66" then you would know it is a medium limb because it makes those two lengths.

So then take a limb that says it is 40# - 70" and put it on a DAS 17" riser. 17" is 8" shorter than 25". So you add 8#. This limb would make approx. 48# on the DAS 17" riser.

DAS allows you to tune the preload of the limb. This can seem pretty complicated, and I'm no expert, but the way I look at this is tuning the limb so its performance is maximized at my draw length. (NOT increasing/decreasing draw weight!) More than likely, if you crank the limb bolts in trying to increase draw weight by 5#, you are de-tuning the bows performance for your draw length and losing some of the performance that extra 5# would have given. Better to tune for your draw length and then change limbs if you need a different draw weight.

You want the limb in the middle of its sweetspot at your draw length. As you adjust the preload on the DAS riser, the limbs are being angled slightly forward or back so they bend slightly more or less at your draw length. So every pair of limbs you get can be fine tuned to perform best for you, (within reason). David Soza and others have written very nice detailed explanations and instructions of how to fine tune these bows over on tradtalks under the TradTalk Classics section. A wealth of info.

From: DRT Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Oct-09




"He did say, he had limbs for the 21" riser that would give me 55-57# at My draw of 31" ... so if I want a Dalaa any time soon I may have to go with the 21" riser,But I really like the 17" :~( "

With your draw length you'll be wishing you had the 21" riser. Put med limbs and you'll have a 64" bow. I'd also drop the weight down atleast 5#'s or you'll be wishing you did the same . I draw between 29-30" now and shoot a 21" elite with long limbs. I've never been in a situation where I wish I had a shorter bow.

From: Silent1
Date: 02-Oct-09




DRT,What do ya mean drop it down 5# You mean Limb adjustment or getting the 45#med limbs instead of 50#med ?

I have read that most bows gain 2# pure inch of pull over 28 ,with this in mind i figured 50# lb limbs would be right at 56/57# at 31" of draw ,then if i crank the limbs out a little to find the Sweet spot as mentioned above by another member,I'd be around 54# give or take ??? what do ya think about that??? am i on the right track LOL or am i totally derailed hahahaha

DRT your bow has Long limbs ??? 66" Bow? Nothing to do with mine just wondering,I was thinking a 66" would be kinda hard to carry in the woods/hunting...or do you just target?

Just a Note the lil 60" recurve i had been hunting with was 56# @ 31" of draw and it was perfect weight wise to me! i have taken,Hog,and Many Fish with it,only issue as i mentioned above was a Lil Finger Pinch,but from the sound of it i guess I'm lucky the Limbs Didn't Part like the Red Sea LOL:~)

From: JRW
Date: 02-Oct-09




Silent1,

Simple solution:

Get the riser and a set of DAS bushings.

Call Lancaster or anyone else that sells ILF limbs and get whatever model you like in 40# long.

Problem solved.

From: Silent1
Date: 02-Oct-09




Thanks JRW:~)

Yea i knew I could go that Route and whats Scarry is i understand why 40# Longs ,so this Thread has learned me a Thing or two :~)

40# long ILF Limbs on a 17" Riser would be 48#@28,if they gain 2# an Inch then at 31" i'd be right at 54/55# that would be sweet guess i could get them Dipped to match....

I'm Beating my self up about it :~( I know the Guys are right saying to go with the long riser but i Like the Looks of the short ... Hard headed :~)

In The back of My mind i keep seeing the Black Widow PSA in 62" AMO :~) But I also see the 7-10 week wait :~(

My Biggest issue is i want to hunt this season,But the Recurve I got From Ferguson,The Limbs look like they are frosting Up I'm Not sure what I'm looking at Maybe Stress ? But I haven't even Shoot the damn Bow Yet just strung it up and flexed it a few times, the next morning BAM! the freaking limbs have frost sections two about 4" by the riser and a few Small spots on the Limbs so now i don't have a Bow!

The other Lil 60" recurve I gave to my Brother-Inlaw...it was really to short for me anyway...

this is all making my head hurt :~( This Bow from Ferguson is the Second Custom bow i have bought and Both failed,Both from different Bow makers... makes me think maybe Archery isn't my Thing :~( someone pass the Crying Towels :~)

But I Love to Shoot!!!

From: Silent1
Date: 02-Oct-09




One Thing i keep thinking though... Everybody keeps saying ILF Limbs ?

Dalaa does make a ILF Riser but the other two the 17" and One of the 21" risers are Not ILF,so the Limbs made for them Should be correct weight wise,not made for a ILF 25" risers Correct?

What I'm getting at is the 40# limbs for the 17" Dalaa riser should Actually be 40# pounds NOT 48# ??? if they are made for the dalaa 17" Riser and Not the 25 ILF Rise Correct ???

Now My head Hurts :~)

From: DRT Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Oct-09




I have long limbs on mine. I mean drop down 5#'s of bow weight.

It's not that complicated really. The only thing you have to do to make ILF limbs fit a DAS riser is swap the limb fittings. Das limbs are ILF limbs with DAS fittings installed in them. ILF limbs are marked for weight on a 25" riser at 28" draw. Figure you'll gain @ 8#'s with the 17" riser and 6#'s with the 21" riser ( at 28" ) . A 66" recurve is not much differant than carrying a 66" longbow which used to be considered short .

From: Erich Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Oct-09




To further complicate things.

The Dalaa limbs from 3Rivers are marked for the actual poundage on a 17 or 21 inch riser.

Dalaa limbs have the actual poundage for 28 inch draws.

ILF limbs are set for poundage on a 25 inch riser. The poundage on the limbs will require you to add 8 pounds for a 17 inch riser.

It just gets better all the time. LOL

Erich

From: Erich Compton's Traditional Bowhunters
Date: 02-Oct-09




To further complicate things.

The Dalaa limbs from 3Rivers are marked for the actual poundage on a 17 or 21 inch riser.

Dalaa limbs have the actual poundage for 28 inch draws.

ILF limbs are set for poundage on a 25 inch riser. The poundage on the limbs will require you to add 8 pounds for a 17 inch riser.

It just gets better all the time. LOL

Erich

From: JRW
Date: 02-Oct-09




Silent1,

"What I'm getting at is the 40# limbs for the 17" Dalaa riser should Actually be 40# pounds NOT 48# ??? if they are made for the dalaa 17" Riser and Not the 25 ILF Rise Correct ???"

ILF is just an attachment system. When people say "ILF limbs," they generall mean any of the target limbs made for Olympic-type target bows, since they use ILF attachments. The DAS limbs are the same thing, but they use a bushing instead of the ILF dovetail.

Short and sweet of it: they're the same limb.

The DAS limbs from 3 Rivers should be marked for the poundage on the DAS riser. The same goes for TradTech limbs. Outside of that, they are marked for their weight on a 25" riser. So if you but, for example, Winex limbs for a 17" DAS, get the 40# longs.

And don't worry about using the 17" riser with your draw length. I draw 32" with the same riser and have absolutely no problems.

From: Ham Biscuit
Date: 02-Oct-09




Yep, I agree. The 21" riser is probably more ideal for long draws, but a decent set of long limbs on the 17" DAS and tuned so the preload is near the minimum, they should shoot just fine for a 30-32" draw. Some limbs that are known for their smooth drawing capability are Hoyt CArbon Plus, Sky Conquest, PSE's made by Sky, Samick Masters (what I shoot on a 17" with 29.75 draw) and Borders Hex5's (awesome but expensive).

Look at the classifieds here, on Tradtalk, Tradgang and ebay for good deals.

From: dkard
Date: 02-Oct-09




If you really want you can order a set of Border lImbs in extra longs and get a 64" bow if you want, They sell bushings for their limbs on the DAS,

I have a set of TXB's on my Master and it is fast.

dave

From: Silent1
Date: 02-Oct-09




Who sells Border Limbs?

Lancaster needs to fix their Page i've tried several times to pull it up and it says "Page Not Found" ?

Thanks for all the great info guys :~) Sounds like Maybe i'll build one for myself ,Who knows maybe it will mean more to me that way :~)

Heres a Loaded Question LOL What about those Trad Tech Risers ? are they as good as Dalaa? it's not about the money But Quality with me!I Know they are cheaper $$$ But which do ya think it better quality wise?

What i've read mostly from others is they like the Mounting system of the Dalaa riser better than Trad tech ?

I Know it's like the Chevy Vs Ford thing but what do you guys say about it??? all opinions appreciated! "ALL"

Even Mud Fence replys LOL :~)

From: Ham Biscuit
Date: 02-Oct-09




It is a Chevy/Ford thing. Not much difference. A lot of people feel allegience to DAS because he spent his hard earned money, blood, sweat and tears to create a new niche in archery. But this is the USA and if someone bigger can build something cheaper so as to lower prices, well, they get a bigger piece of the pie and us consumers typically benefit. I have zero experience with TradTech but have never heard a bad thing. So, I would say you can't go wrong either way. I love my DAS and I also have had nothing but great experiences dealing with 3 Rivers.

From: stykshooter Professional Bowhunters Society - Qualified Member
Date: 02-Oct-09




"What about those Trad Tech Risers ? are they as good as Dalaa?"

I have three of them and love them. 17" and ILF fittings. No need to change any bushings or anything. All of the mounting holes, plunger, sight, quiver, etc are standard size. No need to buy a particular brand. The new generation of grips they have out is awesome. I also have several sets of the TradTech limbs, extremes, Black Max carbons, etc. and they are hard to beat.

A lot of it boils down to personal preference as both the Titan and the Dalaa are just platforms to attach the limbs to. The performance comes from the quality of the limbs you put on them.

It is nice dealing with Lancaster/Tradtech. You can call Lee and tell him the lenght bow you want and desired draw weight at your draw length and he will set it up for you and have it in your hands in a couple of days.

From: Silent1
Date: 02-Oct-09




Ham biscuit/Stykshooter Thank you very much!

Thats two great replys!!! I mean you guys came on and Didn't slander the other brand that is awesome in my book!!! most people would be hard pressed to follow your lead....

My hats off to you guys :~)

I second the 3 Rivers experiences!!! I delt with Shawn liens and it was ALL good!!! great Guy!

From: marc
Date: 03-Oct-09




I own a das and I got to play with a titan for a week that Rob was nice enough to loan me. IMO the titan is a much better riser for me. Fit and finish was better and I hate my das grip. Since sending the Titan back I have tweaked the grip on my riser but it is still not the same.

On another note if you want to stringwalk you should be looking at 23 or 25 inch risers.

From: Silent1
Date: 03-Oct-09




Thanks for the info Marc,Far as string walking i mostly wanted to find out what it was about more than actually doing it :~) i'm a meneber over on Trad Talk also, so i can read up on it now.Thanks later Silent1

From: Silent1
Date: 03-Oct-09




I got another question :~) I know the Dalaa Riser has a Built up hump for shooting off the shelf,You guys that are shooting the Titan what are you doing to shoot off the shelf ? it would seem the arrows would Hit the riser with just a piece of bear rug on the shelf ? how do you get the veins to clear the shelf with out tearing them up and marking up the riser? Thanks for any info Later silent1

Pictures of your set up would be great :~)

All the Info already givin is GREATLY appreciated!!! I can't tell ya How Much!I've learned a Lot all ready :~) this will be my first ILF Fittings Bow :~)

From: Tacfly
Date: 03-Oct-09




I owned a DAS Master riser for a while and have nothing bad to say about it. It's a fine riser. The one thing that I never really cared for was the grip. I just could never quite get it right. If I were to get another 17 ILF riser it would likely be the Titan with a set of Black Max limbs. The grips fit me better and I like that the limb pockets are integral to the riser and have the ILF dovetails. No need to mess with bushings. (not that that's a huge issue) Most of the guys I know that shoot their Titan off the shelf are using felt furniture pads. You can get them cheap at Walmart in different sizes and densities. I've used them extensively on other bows and they work like a charm. Just cut one in half, stick it where you want it on the shelf and you are good to go. Tradtech's website isn't always the easiest thing to use. Call Lee personally if you know what you want or have questions. He'll get you where you want to be.

From: Silent1
Date: 03-Oct-09




I understand putting a Piece of felt or what ever over the shelf ,What i Don't understand is how the arrows clear the shelf,looking at the Pictures of the risers they look pretty flat,not rounded off like regular recurve risers are...

I was thinking you would need to Build up some kinda hump then cover it but i haven't seen a Titan riser up close so it's really just guess work at this point...

Is the self itself thin enough that the feathers clear it ok with just a Rug on it ? that would be nice if it was,i seen pictures of K cummings Bow with the deer and it looked like he only had a Thick Rug on the Shelf for the arrow to ride on...

I Tried to talk to the Guys at Tradtech today but i Missed them by about 5 Minutes LOL they close @4:00 on saturday :~( it will be monday before i get another chance to call...

From: Tacfly
Date: 04-Oct-09




I can't find a picture to post for you right now. That would explain what I'm talking about. The felt pads come in a variety of sizes and thicknesses. I have my old Bear Kodiak Magnum set up with one right now. It's about the same thickness as the hump on the DAS shelf so it brings the arrow up a bit and gives great clearance.

From: Tacfly
Date: 04-Oct-09

Tacfly's embedded Photo



Here, I borrowed this pic from another member. It shows what I am talking about. Hopefully it shows up!

From: K Cummings
Date: 04-Oct-09




Here is a pic from the front. This is how I set mine up.

Also, here is a link to a "how to" on how to make them.

http://www.piratesofarchery.net/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=463&p=4257&hilit=simple+but+effective#p4257

Hope this helps.

KPC

From: K Cummings
Date: 04-Oct-09

K Cummings's embedded Photo



Here is a pic from the front. This is how I set mine up.

Also, here is a link to a "how to" on how to make them.

http://www.piratesofarchery.net/bb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=463&p=4257&hilit=simple+but+effective#p4257

Hope this helps.

KPC

From: Silent1
Date: 04-Oct-09




Thats Great Thanks Tacfly and KPC :~) I Can hardly wait till I get off work tomorrow to talk to Vivian!

Thanks for all the Info guys and Those pictures Really help!

I finally got some threads to pull up on Titan,i see why some of you guys try to stay out of them LOL

From: limbwalker
Date: 09-Oct-09




Tac, great idea with those felt furniture pads. Not sure why I hadn't thought of that before...

"Limbwalker has a long drawlength. Perhaps he'll chime in if he's not huntin'..."

Swamp, I'm not allowed to say a thing about DAS bows anymore since I was "censured" by the DAS faithful after selling mine. Guess I didn't read the "lifetime ownership required" clause...

I shoot a Pinnacle II now, and really like it. Just prefer a wood riser for hunting, that's all.

John.

From: Tacfly
Date: 09-Oct-09




John, I wish I could take credit for that idea but it was all K Cummings doing.

From: Ham Biscuit
Date: 09-Oct-09




"Swamp, I'm not allowed to say a thing about DAS bows anymore since I was "censured" by the DAS faithful after selling mine. Guess I didn't read the "lifetime ownership required" clause..."

John, You were given the "DAS boot"! lol

Silent1, one thing to consider, if you haven't already, is the Hoyt Excel 21". For $180 you get an ILF riser short enough for most hunting and you can either save the money left over and/or invest that money in the most important part of a bow, the limbs. If I had to start over, that's probably the way I'd go. Then get some nice Border Hex5 limbs or top of the line W&W, Samick etc.

From: limbwalker
Date: 09-Oct-09




"das boot".... ha, ha, ha. I get it and that's funny ;o)

I may have to look at getting a used Excel riser someday. Looks like a killer hunting/3-D/field riser.

John.

From: ArrowSmith
Date: 10-Oct-09




Silent, you will not be disappointed with a DAS. Great bow designed by a great guy.

From: Silent1
Date: 10-Oct-09




Yes You are Right :~) i want be disappointed cause they didn't have the limbs for the 17" riser,so i Called and talked to Lee Vivian at Lancater and My New Titan with Carbon Exstreme limbs will be here Tuesday looks like :~)

Lee was Great To work with and has the bow all set up for me ready to go when it gets here,said he got the draw 55.1 @31" Perfect :~),Split finger, he said it drew smooth all the way to 31" so i'm really looking forward to it!

This is my first ILF bow,Think I may have to get those Long bow limbs next Or maybe the black max's and have them Film dipped :~) I went with the black riser so any limb is a Go and will look great on it!

I was really wanting the Dalaa but the more i looked into the Titan i liked it even better....and when 3 Rivers said No limbs that was all it took ,This is my First purchase from lancaster and it was very nice!!! As K Cummings told me and he's right,If you need anything from lancater talk to Lee Vivian He's the man with the Plan!

I want to thank all you guys that made replys to this Thread!!! even though i went Titan Instead of Dalaa your Input was Very helpful!!!

After the First of the year i plan to throw a Black Widow into the mix LOL that PSA is looking Pretty sweet :~)

Thanks again Later Silent1

From: Ham Biscuit
Date: 11-Oct-09




Congrats on the new bow! Have fun shootin'!

From: Jhoneil
Date: 11-Oct-09




I have both and liked both and if I closed my eyes and shoot them, I can't tell the difference ;)



From: Ham Biscuit
Date: 11-Oct-09




Pineridge, you go the wrong guy, lol! I still shoot my DAS MAster. I was quoting Limbwalker, who said he got censured. I wish this forum let us quote people easier.

So you think there's much difference between the Dorado and the DAS? I like the tunability and quiet I get from the DAS and figure, the performance will equal whatever limbs I put on it. Never shot a Dorado though.

From: Silent1
Date: 11-Oct-09




Nice collection jhoneil :~)

Which Grip is that ? High,low,med ? Looks good...

No limb savers on the titan?

I see your shooting Easton Carbons What are they ?Make? What weight arrow do you favor gpp? What poundage you pulling at what draw?

I know that will be different for me, Just wondering? I've got a 31" draw and always shot Aluminum,i'm thinking about trying a few carbons on the off season :~)I was gonna try some with this new titan But Lee Vivian suggested i shoot what i got and try them off season ,he's smarter than the Average Bear :~)LOL

I'm currently shooting the Easton Platinum 2315 lite xx75

Thanks Silent1

From: Tacfly
Date: 11-Oct-09




You made a great choice. Differences in risers aside, you are now getting top of the line limbs instead of the off brand carbon/woods you would otherwise be getting. The only limbs I like better than the Extremes are the Border HexVs and really, at that level quality you are splitting hairs.

Be sure to let us know how you like it!

From: Silent1
Date: 11-Oct-09




Be sure to let us know how you like it!

You want Be Able to keep me Quiet :~)

Yea I went ahead an ordered it with the best/Carbon Extremes,I Knew if i didn't i would always wonder just how good the Bow could Shoot,This way I have a Standard to go by when Trying other limbs!

I'm Real Happy with the buying part Lee saved me over $100 with Free shipping and a Discount so the Bow came to $915.26 OTD i believe it was :~)Thats with an extra string also, Not bad i feel for Top of the line Carbon Limbs.... we will see

What really has a Smile On My face is i shoot Pretty good Now :~) with this bow i should be able to see just what i can Do :~) and not be limited by the bow in anyway...Two days and counting ... tic toc tic toc LOL Bring that Baby On!

From: Jhoneil
Date: 11-Oct-09




Not sure about the grip - medium maybe? I am not picky. I do like the grip on my Titan better than the Dalaa although I can probably find the same type of grip available for the Dalaa. Yes - no limbsavers on the Titan. I don't think these bows need them. I was just experimenting with the Dalaa. Both are 45#@28" The Carbon Extremes feels really snappy. You will love it!

The arrows are Easton Axis 500 and about 8gpi

From: Silent1
Date: 11-Oct-09




Nice Thanks...

thats what I Got also 45# longs,They came out to 55.1# at 31" draw Sweettt :~)Lee said it was Smooth all the way back to 31" I can't wait :~) matter a Fact I'm Gonna run the tracking # and see where it's at LOL later Silent1

From: Silent1
Date: 11-Oct-09




Scan History:

10/10/2009 4:32:00 AM IN TRANSIT TO JACKSONVILLE, FL US 10/10/2009 4:31:00 AM DEPARTURE SCAN HARRISBURG, PA US 10/9/2009 10:39:00 PM ARRIVAL SCAN HARRISBURG, PA US 10/9/2009 9:26:00 PM DEPARTURE SCAN EAST PETERSBURG, PA US 10/9/2009 5:55:00 PM ORIGIN SCAN EAST PETERSBURG, PA US 10/9/2009 4:36:00 PM BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED US

Come to Papa :~)

From: B.T.
Date: 11-Oct-09




"This way I have a Standard to go by when Trying other limbs! "

You won't need to waste your time with any other limbs. The BF Exyremes are that good.

From: Silent1
Date: 13-Oct-09




"This way I have a Standard to go by when Trying other limbs! " You won't need to waste your time with any other limbs. The BF Exyremes are that good.

Yo B.T. You Prolly have never said anything that was More correct than that Statement!!!

I just got my Titan and Put her together,Shot it a Dozen times and This bow is the Smoothest i have ever shot!!! those carbon Limbs are AWESOME!!! Even at my 31" draw they Draw just like Lee Vivian said they would Smooth all the Way!!!! No stack what so ever I freaking Love this bow :~)

It Hits right where i'm looking and is Pretty durn Quiet! just a Thump...

I got to go buy another target LOL i just had one arrow Nock the Stuffing out the Back of the Old target i been shooting :~) can't afford to mess up any arrows right now LOL

Looking over the Bow it's Flawlest!!! Riser and Limbs Look Great!

This bow feels so good in my hand i may not even worry about getting a Black Widow at the first of the year like i had Planned, i can't see myself putting it down :~) i'm one happy camper right now!!! later Silent1

GO Team Titan !!! :~)





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