From: Iwander
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Date: 22-Nov-20 |
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I have been enjoying the "Who collects selfbows" post. Seems like every time I build one I'm looking for a better shooting design. I would like to know what some of you guys with a bunch of them considered to be the overall best shooting design.
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From: Iwander
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Date: 22-Nov-20 |
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Recurve, Grumley static, Bend thru handle, ASL, Reflex deflex, Holmgard ect...?
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From: papadeerhtr
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Date: 22-Nov-20 |
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I like a pyramid style, but going to try flip tip this winter. Tried it last winter not good luck lol
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From: Jeff Durnell
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Date: 22-Nov-20 |
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What do you mean by "best shooting design"? An entire book could be written there. The application matters. Flight bow. Hunting bow. Target bow.
Mine are mostly hunting bows. My favorite for a dependable, long lived, sweet shooting hunting bow of good cast is a straight standing osage selfbow, or with a gradual reflex in the outer limb. A couple inches longer than it 'must be', relatively narrow for a 'flatbow', fully radiused belly, asymmetrical, dynamically balanced, bulbous grip. Some of that is personal preference, some science, some subjective, but that's what works best, feels best, and looks best to Me.
Kinda depends on the wood too. I can't make too many yew bows without making an English longbow.
And if I use Hophornbeam or hickory, it won't be exactly like the osage or yew bows.
So, depends.
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From: BowAholic
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Date: 22-Nov-20 |
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I think my D/R design shoots best, but for an every day dependable bow, I prefer osage with just a little reflex, smallish rigid grip, and parallel limbs until the last 12" or so.
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From: fdp
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Date: 22-Nov-20 |
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Entire books were written about this subject in fact.
I'm a fan of the Neolithic European designs as described by Comstock myself.
Those and American Plains designs.
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From: Iwander
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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I seem to shoot the string follow osage ASL styles that are about twice as long as my arrows best. I've had 3 of Marc St Louis's static bows that I hunted with and really liked, but they were sinew backed or all wood laminated. I've been wanting to try an RD or static tipped Osage. Hopefully it will hold up to my long drawif I put some reflex in the unbacked. limbs.
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From: Arvin
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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This kind.
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From: Eric Krewson
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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I started with a flat bow design and went to a semi rounded belly after reading all the Dean Torges books. My bows are round at the tips, which are small, and mostly flat at the fades with a gradual transition between. I like a bulbous handle with a partial shelf cut in and a glued on rest. I make bows this way because I like they look. Lately I have been adding short static tips to my bows.
My bows seem to perform OK, I don't subscribe to the technicalities of getting a couple more FPS out of bow. I just want t stable shooter that will shoot poundage plus 100fps or slightly more at my short 26" draw.
Here is my handle set up, I often glue on a little more wood to get hand fitting curves that feel very comfortable.
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From: Eric Krewson
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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Wrong picture, thumbnails throw me off when I pick one.The handle above is not quite worked down to the finished stage. Of course I cover it with leather to hide the glue lines.
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From: Eric Krewson
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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The limbs above were were for a takedown selfbow for a friend, I wanted to make him something special I violated a grain right where the limbs plugged into the sleeve, I didn't think it would matter in a non bending part of the bow, it did and the bow blew at this point.
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From: Lefty38-55
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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While extremely partial to the ELB as the purest form of the self-bows, Otzi non-withstanding, LOL ... , that bow with the static tips looks great Eric!
My all yew (non-backed) ELB or other yew self-bows all deliver at or > 'draw weight plus the 100-pounds' for FPS rendered, and are very stable shooters, so I'm very happy.
Those all-wood bows and homemade wood arrows are what continually draws me to archery.
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From: fdp
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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The classic English Longbow as typically described now is far from the purest form of selfbow in reality. There have been many bow designs used throughout England and Europe over the years.
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From: Lefty38-55
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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FDP ... and that would be YOUR opinion of course ...
But yes, it would not be the 1st or only design.
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From: fdp
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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Well...I guess it could be considered my opinion but since it is neither the oldest nor the longest in service design, I really am not sure that's the case.
But, that's not the subject of this thread.
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From: Jim Davis
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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I want the best practical end in all the aspects. For me, the pyramid shoots pretty well, looks pretty good and is the easiest to make. There's math that makes it look pretty good ever since Hickman and Klopsteg did their work early last century.
My handles are round now. The feel the same in my hand every shot and I can easily tell if I am torquing the bow.
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From: bradsmith2010santafe
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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my favorite is straight tip.. flat bow,,slight bend in handle,,
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From: Bjrogg
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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I’m short with a short draw and my favorite is my Simply Orange selfbow. It’s the first one I used Osage on and it fits me good. It’s almost bend in the handle but not quite. I have short static recurves that are lightened up but still static.
The short static recurves give me early string tension and make it at least seem like one of my fastest bows. I don’t have a chronograph. It’s plenty fast enough to take any game I hunt for. It’s also pretty compact and light in the hand.
My first hunting bow was a straight limb hop hornbeam. It was just slightly longer than necessary for my draw but very durable that way and still managed to have exceptible performance. It did have a arrow shelf. I do think I might shoot slightly better with a straight bow but I get better performance from my short draw with the static recurves. And I’ve hunted and shot my Simply Orange bow for going on four years.
I think it’s like Jeff said. It depends on what feels right to you. And what your using it for.
I know some people really like a deflexed handle and sweeping working reflex through mid to outer limbs. They seem like good performers with a nice pose stroke.
Bjrogg
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From: Bjrogg
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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This is the unbraced profile that seems to fit me
Bjrogg
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From: Iwander
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Date: 23-Nov-20 |
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Great feedback thanks. Brad Smith, I'm still benefiting from the tips in that great little book you wrote and sent me many years ago. Thanks again!
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