Really like the looks of these. I can take apart the head and sharpen on my KME which is nice.

Hows everyone like them?

A picture is worth a thousand words.

These are made by Muzzy and is basically a larger Phantom which was a great head. I shot one hundreds of times here in the yard and it took a real beating into foam, rocks, dirt, trees for a year. One side of the metal(1/8") at the front of aluminum ferrule broke off but did not affect the head in any way. As good a head as you will ever need.

Forgot...160 gr.

I used the Muzzy version in 125 for a couple of bows. I think they are on par with any modular type head, but I found the bleeder blade removal difficult. A 160 grain version would be nice.

The head needs to be loosened or remove from the shaft to remove bleeder. I used the Phantom in the 80s with no problems.

I see the Muzzy brand is discontinued and I also noticed Palmer buys them from Muzzy. Does that mean they are going away? I love that COC style screw in head.

I hope they aren't being discontinued! I don't have my trad bow yet, hoping I can make 160 grain heads work. If so these look perfect

I doubt they are going away any time soon, Mike is a close friend with the manufacture. They are made especially for him.

Bob

Muzzy stopped offering the Phantom, must be they are still producing them for Palmer. Good.

Seems like Muzzy also made a 150 grain Fred Eichler version for a while there.

Good heads. I shot the version even before Muzzy owned them.

My first picture made the head look short. Here's a better pic.

I really like the look of those. Would a sub 50# recurve have enough juice behind it to use on Iowa whitetails?

Looks long and slim to me, and that’s what a lighter bow calls for.

If you take a relatively slim carbon, weight it up good up front to where it’s really TUNED at around 9-10 GPP and put it where it belongs.....

2 1/2 inches long x 1 1/2 inch wide. I’d shoot it out of my 48# bow. Some wouldn’t.

As long as you have a heavy enough arrow pushing it you won't have a problem with them in as low as 40lbs but some would disagree but with the high performance bows of today it is not a problem!!

Mike Palmer's wife shot completely thru several African antelope using that broadhead and a 35# bow Mike made, so yes they will work with a light bow.

Bob

Before Muzzy bought them they were called Elk Mountain Phantoms out of Aspen, Colorado. Decent head but quality control was way out. Some heads would weigh 125 grains, and the next two would be over 140 grains. Out of a dozen heads, you'd get six or seven that were 125 grains. When Muzzy bought them, quality went way up. They were my preferred broadhead from Muzzy for 11 years.

I'm not sure how much longer Muzzy will make the heads for Mike. Muzzy has gone through a lot of change since they've been bought out. If I were you, I'd buy enough to last me for a while.

Up for the morning.

Up for the morning.

Quite frankly the only time draw weight is a consideration is for stone points. They require a bit more gas to penetrate like steel does. Other than that, any 35# plus bow will handle any fixed broadhead that is sharp. Simple as that. I shoot low 40s and wouldn't hesitate to glue a big ol' Woodsman on if I felt inclined to do so.

PEARL DRUMS, I had a buddy named Joe Gallagher who was a very successful archer/Hunter. His success essentially was verification of what you just posted.

I try not to get to overthink it. I have shot my fair share of deer with many different bow and arrow set ups. The end result was always the same. A bloody arrow stuck in the ground and a dead deer running away. 2 blade, 3 blade, hand sharpened, factory sharpened replaceable, 42# up to 62# draw, wood, bamboo, aluminum and carbon shafts, minimal FOC, extra FOC and any other nuance in regard to arrow set up, big bucks, young bucks, old does and young does. As we see repeated here often, hit them in the ribs with a sharp point and they are dead as dead can be.

Thanks for all the replies gents. My compound is for sale, going to give up the excuse and just commit to trad, its much more fun anyway.

I've never taken an animal with a stick bow, and to go from flinging a 475 gr arrow at almost 300fps to a sub 50# bow (to start) just has me worried a tad I suppose.

What pearldrum said

Anyone else?

You have a damn efficient stickbow if your getting almost 300fps. You will shoot through any animal in North America.

Bob

Jake, I haven't shot them, but carry them in my shop. good head. They will take whitetails with the bow weight you indicate. I use a 125 3-blade Snuffer on wood arrows and shoot bows form 40 to 50 lbs. and have no trouble killing deer . . . just put them in the right spot!

Michael

“ I've never taken an animal with a stick bow, and to go from flinging a 475 gr arrow at almost 300fps to a sub 50# bow (to start) just has me worried a tad I suppose.”

JMO - if it weren’t for the fact that so many people simply do not believe that archery tackle is capable of producing a quick, clean kill on big game, sites like this would long ago have ceased to exist.

You look at all the mechanical tomfoolery among the compound crowd, and it’s obvious that a lot of guys simply do not trust that they will be able to recover an animal if they don’t rip a 4 inch gash all the way through it. They also don’t seem to trust in their own ability to get inside of rangefinder-required range, so they obsess over rangefinders and feeps and how they are going to be able to shoot palm-sized groups at distances where the hang time on their arrow is enough for an animal to do little more than shift its weight and move far enough to turn a 12- ring hit into nothing but grassbag....

Not that I would ever discourage anyone from choosing a head with a time-tested design - not too skinny, not too wide, not too short. If you had to push a #400 wheelbarrow up a ramp to a platform 10 feet up, would you rather have a 10 foot ramp, a 20 foot ramp, or a 30 foot ramp? Most of the fixed-blade heads designed for the compound crowd are designed with 10-foot ramps so as to minimize the wing area, but then they put up a lot of resistance to penetration...

But way too many guys here have had arrows sail clean through big deer with low poundage, you just need to have a sharp, well-tuned arrow and sail it through the right part of the deer....

Lemon Squeezy

Bob, he didn’t say he had a stickbow that shot 300 fps. He said he was shooting sub 50#’s .

They look to be ded signed for light bows. Which means they ought work fine for any bow.

Thanks all.

Hey Bob- sorry for the miscommunication, I was trying to say that going from my hyper efficient compound @ around 300 fps (I had the confidence I could shoot any head I wanted), to then go to a lighter weight trad bow is what was concerning.

I haven't taken an animal with a trad bow before so hence the hesitancy.

Sorry I miss read your post! however having taken more than my share of game with a HIll longbow I can affirm it can be done, an arrow spinning on its axis with a quality sharp broadhead in the right place will put them down usually within sight.

The most important part of that last statement is

"in the right place" I don't care how fast the bow is or how sharp the broadhead is, make sure you can place the arrow in the right place and you will not have a problem.

Bob

I used the muzzy phantoms for years til the got real expensive. I shoot a light bow. 47lb. The work great.

I have some 220 gr muzzy phantoms but down to 4. I was wondering about the palmers

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